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Does Tom Coughlin need to go? (1 Viewer)

I think he is handling the running game and Wilson wrong. With that said, he is a great coach, but we see this in sports all the time after a while you just need a new voice in there. You seen it with the Red Sox and Terry Francona, it happened in Green Bay with Mike Holgrem, and in Philly with Andy Reid.
Holmgren did not get fired from Green Bay, in fact, no one wanted him to leave. He chose to leave so he could try being both coach and GM, which turned out to be too much for him. Green Bay has yet to have a coach as good as him since.
Big fan, but he did turn out to be about as bad of an exec as he was good as a coach

 
Every year we here the same thing about hime about this time of the season and we blink and he's in the super bowl. LOL It's all turnover. Hardly his fault. Maybe eli must go.

 
Pretty sure he deserves (has earned) a full 3 years of sucking before being let go.........not 3 games.

 
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Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
Gilbride has to go now. Coughlin's job is safe this year, but if this repeats again next year, not so much. Besides the obvious flaws of terrible offensive line and horrible play calling and inability to change the game plan (Gilbride), the team just lacks life, which can be pinned on the head coach.

 
How anyone could watch that game yesterday and say that was Tom Coughlin's fault is beyond me.
When a team plays bad it is never the coach who misses the block, the coach who drops the pass, or the coach who is playing undisciplined or lackadaisical football.

But the head coach is the one who is responsible for all of that - good or bad. That is what leadership and responsibility means.

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
Gilbride has to go now. Coughlin's job is safe this year, but if this repeats again next year, not so much. Besides the obvious flaws of terrible offensive line and horrible play calling and inability to change the game plan (Gilbride), the team just lacks life, which can be pinned on the head coach.
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Even during their Superbowl runs, some of Gilbride's play calling has always been inexplicable.

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
Gilbride has to go now. Coughlin's job is safe this year, but if this repeats again next year, not so much. Besides the obvious flaws of terrible offensive line and horrible play calling and inability to change the game plan (Gilbride), the team just lacks life, which can be pinned on the head coach.
Agreed, I've always felt that Gilbride was holding this team back a lot offensively. His play calling has always been extremely suspect and never made much sense to me. I'd LOVE to see them kick him to the curb and bump up one of the assistants interm for the rest of the season.

HOW can you possibly justify tosses and swing passes to Brandon F@#%ing Jacobs then run Wilson up the gut over and over again. Honestly, the fact that Jacobs is even taking handoffs hurts my head. He's a plodding grandfather who could have a whole the size of Kansas and still not get more than a 5 yard run.

Besides the awful offensive line play, this play calling is just anemic. Wouldn't you think... okay, we can't run up the gut and we can't pass cause this pass rush is relentless. We have a weapon in the open field in David Wilson. Lets try, some tosses, some off tackle runs and some screens and see if we can get the kid in open space. Which should let up on the pass rush a little bit and maybe move the ball some? Nah... lets just run the ball up the gut with Wilson 10 times and to tosses to Brandon Jacobs and get him on the outside and appeal to his offensive lineman speed to the outside.

 
Neither Coughlin or Eli are going anywhere. Sure Eli has had a tough start. But yesterday, you could have had anyone back there at QB and they'd have done nothing. No running game and no pass protection does not support anything but an injured QB. Eli's lucky to have escaped with his life yesterday.

 
Coughlin needs to block better on passing plays. He's getting Gomer killed back there.
He should also hone up on his run blocking skills, but that's probably asking too much from a guy who is like 65 years old and 5'10" 180 lbs.

 
Coughlin needs to block better on passing plays. He's getting Gomer killed back there.
Taking this wonderful argument taken to it's logical conclusion, a team playing poorly will never be the coaches fault.

So unless a coach physically does something on the field that continually costs his team wins, he should never be fired.

Right?

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
Gilbride has to go now. Coughlin's job is safe this year, but if this repeats again next year, not so much. Besides the obvious flaws of terrible offensive line and horrible play calling and inability to change the game plan (Gilbride), the team just lacks life, which can be pinned on the head coach.
Agreed, I've always felt that Gilbride was holding this team back a lot offensively. His play calling has always been extremely suspect and never made much sense to me. I'd LOVE to see them kick him to the curb and bump up one of the assistants interm for the rest of the season.

HOW can you possibly justify tosses and swing passes to Brandon F@#%ing Jacobs then run Wilson up the gut over and over again. Honestly, the fact that Jacobs is even taking handoffs hurts my head. He's a plodding grandfather who could have a whole the size of Kansas and still not get more than a 5 yard run.

Besides the awful offensive line play, this play calling is just anemic. Wouldn't you think... okay, we can't run up the gut and we can't pass cause this pass rush is relentless. We have a weapon in the open field in David Wilson. Lets try, some tosses, some off tackle runs and some screens and see if we can get the kid in open space. Which should let up on the pass rush a little bit and maybe move the ball some? Nah... lets just run the ball up the gut with Wilson 10 times and to tosses to Brandon Jacobs and get him on the outside and appeal to his offensive lineman speed to the outside.
you have to admit, though, that you think Wilson has a pretty high upside

it is possible the giants do not agree, which would explain some of the play calling you complained about, as well as your assessment of jacobs..

I am not saying you are wrong, but this could be part of the disconnect

 
quite frankly, if a coach wins my team 2 super bowls in 5 years, i give him at least 3 years after the last super bowl no matter what

consider it a thank you

 
quite frankly, if a coach wins my team 2 super bowls in 5 years, i give him at least 3 years after the last super bowl no matter what

consider it a thank you
Curious, for the sake or argument, if a player starts playing poorly who helped your team win a Superbowl, do you want your team to give him the same 3 year "thank you" and keep running him out there or do you consider it a business and they got paid, and paid well, to play?

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
Gilbride has to go now. Coughlin's job is safe this year, but if this repeats again next year, not so much. Besides the obvious flaws of terrible offensive line and horrible play calling and inability to change the game plan (Gilbride), the team just lacks life, which can be pinned on the head coach.
Agreed, I've always felt that Gilbride was holding this team back a lot offensively. His play calling has always been extremely suspect and never made much sense to me. I'd LOVE to see them kick him to the curb and bump up one of the assistants interm for the rest of the season.

HOW can you possibly justify tosses and swing passes to Brandon F@#%ing Jacobs then run Wilson up the gut over and over again. Honestly, the fact that Jacobs is even taking handoffs hurts my head. He's a plodding grandfather who could have a whole the size of Kansas and still not get more than a 5 yard run.

Besides the awful offensive line play, this play calling is just anemic. Wouldn't you think... okay, we can't run up the gut and we can't pass cause this pass rush is relentless. We have a weapon in the open field in David Wilson. Lets try, some tosses, some off tackle runs and some screens and see if we can get the kid in open space. Which should let up on the pass rush a little bit and maybe move the ball some? Nah... lets just run the ball up the gut with Wilson 10 times and to tosses to Brandon Jacobs and get him on the outside and appeal to his offensive lineman speed to the outside.
The flip side of the argument given by some beat writers is that Gilbride's offenses are often in the top 10 of the NFL.

But that could be a case of stats being misleading. Giants have had trouble with short yardage and settling for field goals instead of TDs since 2008. Or like the rushing YPC from last season. It had people think that the Giants were a good rushing team last year but they weren't. The Giants weren't able to run the ball when they wanted to or sit on a lead by grinding out runs even though many concluded this based on the amount of rushing attempts and YPC.

One issue I have with Gilbride's system is that it is so complex that it takes players a year or two to get it down. It's even harder on rookies. Making the first year basically a red-shirt year for them.

I think changes need to be made to Fewell, the offensive line coach and maybe the defensive line coach. They need to get some people in the specialize in recognizing LB and OLine talent too.

 
quite frankly, if a coach wins my team 2 super bowls in 5 years, i give him at least 3 years after the last super bowl no matter what

consider it a thank you
Curious, for the sake or argument, if a player starts playing poorly who helped your team win a Superbowl, do you want your team to give him the same 3 year "thank you" and keep running him out there or do you consider it a business and they got paid, and paid well, to play?
Depends on the player/situation

As a Cowoys fan I'd have rather held on to Emmitt Smith and struggle for another year rather than ship him to the cardinals, of course in that case the alternate plan was Troy Hambrick who was worse, and retirement was going to be soon.

But also in this case, it is easy to say dump Couglin, there's no guarantee the new guy would be better. Coughlin is a damn good coach who has worked magic before, I'd give him the chance for a few seasons. I'd think any coach that wins 2 super bowls in 5 years would probably have proven that they know how to coach a football team, so it is not like i am saying keep a stiff on.

I'd trade Garrett for Coughlin in a second. In a fraction of a second. I'd throw in some cowboy hats and a bucket of gatorade if it would help.

 
The only way Coughlin goes is if there are signs that he's lost the team - that they've tuned him out.

But given the way the Giants have always been run, and the number of vets on the team, I don't see that happening.

 
Coughlin needs to block better on passing plays. He's getting Gomer killed back there.
Taking this wonderful argument taken to it's logical conclusion, a team playing poorly will never be the coaches fault.

So unless a coach physically does something on the field that continually costs his team wins, he should never be fired.

Right?
Let's see here. Fire a future HOF coach with 2 SB wins in the last 6 years, one of them only 2 years ago because the O-line stinks. The coach of a team that beat the undefeated Patriots for one of those SB wins. Stick to whatever it is you do because analyzing NFL coaching isn't your strongpoint.

 
Coughlin needs to block better on passing plays. He's getting Gomer killed back there.
Taking this wonderful argument taken to it's logical conclusion, a team playing poorly will never be the coaches fault.

So unless a coach physically does something on the field that continually costs his team wins, he should never be fired.

Right?
Let's see here. Fire a future HOF coach with 2 SB wins in the last 6 years, one of them only 2 years ago because the O-line stinks. The coach of a team that beat the undefeated Patriots for one of those SB wins. Stick to whatever it is you do because analyzing NFL coaching isn't your strongpoint.
... and having civil discussions clearly isn't your strongpoint.

I'm not saying that Coughlin should be fired after week three. I'm saying that coaches bear a responsibility for a team's performance. I'm saying that a head coach is held responsible for successes and failures of his entire team. If you credit him for the Superbowl victories when he didn't throw a pass or make a tackle, you must equally hold him responsible when his players can't block.

I'm saying that if a team has to rebuild, maybe a 65 year old coach, no matter what his past successes are, might not be the right guy for the job.

 
giant fans here at work arent blaming him

i dont think they would mind an OC switch tho...

and hand wilson the rock for 35 times and see what happens!

 
Why don't they ever pass to Wilson?

There were a number of plays were Wilson is open over the middle or the flat and Eli doesnt even consider throwing to him.

On one particular play Wilson was alone 10 yards down the middle and Eli chose to throw deep left into the gut of a defender who was so surprised he dropped it.

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
Gilbride has to go now. Coughlin's job is safe this year, but if this repeats again next year, not so much. Besides the obvious flaws of terrible offensive line and horrible play calling and inability to change the game plan (Gilbride), the team just lacks life, which can be pinned on the head coach.
Agreed, I've always felt that Gilbride was holding this team back a lot offensively. His play calling has always been extremely suspect and never made much sense to me. I'd LOVE to see them kick him to the curb and bump up one of the assistants interm for the rest of the season.

HOW can you possibly justify tosses and swing passes to Brandon F@#%ing Jacobs then run Wilson up the gut over and over again. Honestly, the fact that Jacobs is even taking handoffs hurts my head. He's a plodding grandfather who could have a whole the size of Kansas and still not get more than a 5 yard run.

Besides the awful offensive line play, this play calling is just anemic. Wouldn't you think... okay, we can't run up the gut and we can't pass cause this pass rush is relentless. We have a weapon in the open field in David Wilson. Lets try, some tosses, some off tackle runs and some screens and see if we can get the kid in open space. Which should let up on the pass rush a little bit and maybe move the ball some? Nah... lets just run the ball up the gut with Wilson 10 times and to tosses to Brandon Jacobs and get him on the outside and appeal to his offensive lineman speed to the outside.
you have to admit, though, that you think Wilson has a pretty high upside

it is possible the giants do not agree, which would explain some of the play calling you complained about, as well as your assessment of jacobs..

I am not saying you are wrong, but this could be part of the disconnect
That's a fair assessment although I will say that I've never had confidence in Gilbride's play calling ability. Even during the Super Bowl runs there were often times where we'd all be sitting around the bar looking at each other after a drive going "Wtf was that? Did they really just go pass, pass on 2nd and inches?"

 
Something has to be done ... Either Coughlin or Gilbride has to go.

This cant continue another week ... The weird thing is this line isn't much different than last year how did it get so much worse?
Gilbride has to go now. Coughlin's job is safe this year, but if this repeats again next year, not so much. Besides the obvious flaws of terrible offensive line and horrible play calling and inability to change the game plan (Gilbride), the team just lacks life, which can be pinned on the head coach.
Agreed, I've always felt that Gilbride was holding this team back a lot offensively. His play calling has always been extremely suspect and never made much sense to me. I'd LOVE to see them kick him to the curb and bump up one of the assistants interm for the rest of the season.

HOW can you possibly justify tosses and swing passes to Brandon F@#%ing Jacobs then run Wilson up the gut over and over again. Honestly, the fact that Jacobs is even taking handoffs hurts my head. He's a plodding grandfather who could have a whole the size of Kansas and still not get more than a 5 yard run.

Besides the awful offensive line play, this play calling is just anemic. Wouldn't you think... okay, we can't run up the gut and we can't pass cause this pass rush is relentless. We have a weapon in the open field in David Wilson. Lets try, some tosses, some off tackle runs and some screens and see if we can get the kid in open space. Which should let up on the pass rush a little bit and maybe move the ball some? Nah... lets just run the ball up the gut with Wilson 10 times and to tosses to Brandon Jacobs and get him on the outside and appeal to his offensive lineman speed to the outside.
you have to admit, though, that you think Wilson has a pretty high upside

it is possible the giants do not agree, which would explain some of the play calling you complained about, as well as your assessment of jacobs..

I am not saying you are wrong, but this could be part of the disconnect
That's a fair assessment although I will say that I've never had confidence in Gilbride's play calling ability. Even during the Super Bowl runs there were often times where we'd all be sitting around the bar looking at each other after a drive going "Wtf was that? Did they really just go pass, pass on 2nd and inches?"
fair enough

and you may be right on wilson

I'll admit i never thought NYG at 0-3 was even possible.

 
The panthers secondary plays such a loose zone that you can dink and dunk your way to automatic offense.

Why didn't Giants go that route?

Or is Eli seeing ghosts?

 
they've lost 11 of their last 14 games..they were blown out by Balt and Atl late last season, and those blowouts continue this season.it's not just the losing,but how much they're losing by - an avg of 17+/- pts/gm..giving up 209 pts so far..

many of the vets have quit - see J. Tuck.they know they won't be around next year,so they've packed it in already.that's not Coughlin's fault.

but the question is , have they become 'stale' and if so then wholesale changed need to take place.

if not,then they need to remove the older soon-to-be free agents and beef up the o-line AND d-line in the draft..they're rebuilding.do you want Coughlin around for a 3-4 year rebuilding process or do you want to start a new era with a different coaching staff? that's the real question.Coughlin is 68..really,how much longer can he coach?

hard to blame the coaching staff when the GM hasn't given you the players..who has Reese brought in here to make the Giants better? he has neglected the O-line

so if you take Coughlin,please take Reese as well..he's the one to blame for the 0-6 start.

well,that and Eli's turnovers..

 
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