Does Vick put Kolb on the bench concussion or not? (1 Viewer)

[G-King]

Have to start Vick at this point. Kolb in not on a long term deal, and there are people in the organization that like Vick better then Kolb.

Kolb IS on a long term deal; and the kid that washes Vick's cars do not count. The whole team is in support of Kolb as the starter. There are even a few that think that the whole Vick wildcat stuff is disrupting the rythmn of the game.

 

[G-King]

Is it me or did it seem like andy reid set up mike vick to fail in this game? I think Reid did not want any part of a qb contreversy i mean c'mon why the hell would you waste all of your timeouts with 5 minutes still left in the game. Then there was that horrible 4th down call everyone knew what was coming! Maybe im seeing things but something doesnt seem right here

So you are saying that Andy Reid decided after a concussion to Kolb, to throw the game on NATIONAL TV!?! All to show "non support" of his back up QB. Wow, now thats a conspiracy theory.....

 

[G-King]

Just because of the stakes involved with the McNabb trade and not wanting to look like a fool, I say Philly starts Kolb against next week EVEN IF HE'S NOT 100% to try and give the kid some confidence against what is still perceived to be a weak Detroit secondary (chalking up all of the Bears turnovers today to Cutler-Martz being sucktastic).

That being said, I think the loss of Weaver & Jamaal Jackson hurts this team's prospects tremendously.

Its not going to be up to Reid if he is diagnosed with a concussion, the league will make him miss atleast one game. I guess people do not realize this....

 

[bcflyer]

He had Roddy White.

Yeah but Roddy really sucked back then. The argument is still being waged whether it was because Vick passed badly or because Roddy was still developing but either way, Roddy dropped a ton of passes that were in his hands over the last couple of years with Vick.

 

[Amused to Death]

Have to start Vick at this point. Kolb in not on a long term deal, and there are people in the organization that like Vick better then Kolb.

Who are these people? The Eagles spent the off-season trying to trade Vick and at one point they were thinking they made a mistake by picking up his 5 mil option. Kolb is under contract through 2011. Vick is under contract through this season.Reid scouted KK for years. Made him the team's first pick in the '07 draft when they clearly had more pressing needs. Kept him for 3 seasons under McNabb, then felt comfortable enough with him they traded the franchise QB to a division rival. I'm pretty sure AR gives him more than 10 passes before benching him. And he still completed a higher percentage of his passes today then McNabb did.

 

[None_More_Black]

Have to start Vick at this point. Kolb in not on a long term deal, and there are people in the organization that like Vick better then Kolb.

Who are these people? The Eagles spent the off-season trying to trade Vick and at one point they were thinking they made a mistake by picking up his 5 mil option. Kolb is under contract through 2011. Vick is under contract through this season.Reid scouted KK for years. Made him the team's first pick in the '07 draft when they clearly had more pressing needs. Kept him for 3 seasons under McNabb, then felt comfortable enough with him they traded the franchise QB to a division rival. I'm pretty sure AR gives him more than 10 passes before benching him. And he still completed a higher percentage of his passes today then McNabb did.

Is the front office the same as 2007? The same people who said Vick's roster spot was never in doubt. Roseman and Lurie who took a pr hit to sign him.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Kolb will be right back in there when he's healthy.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The whole time I was watching the game, the main thing I was wondering is how a guy could look that good after spending a a couple of years in prison. That being said, Kolb will be given every opportunity to prove himself.

Running from Bubba?

 

[JamesTheScot]

He had Roddy White.

Yeah but Roddy really sucked back then. The argument is still being waged whether it was because Vick passed badly or because Roddy was still developing but either way, Roddy dropped a ton of passes that were in his hands over the last couple of years with Vick.

That was because Vick was throwing his patented 100 mph fastball...on every throw.Vick has a strong, strong arm. But he has very little touch and his accuracy waxes and wanes.Vick had a good game in relief. He's always had good games. But this is a guy that's had lots of people coach him up and he just doesn't seem able to pull it all together into one package.But if Philly's o-line continues to struggle, Vick is probably going to be able to do more than Kolb just because his legs can buy him some time and that's going to help his receivers get open. Kolb looked bad forcing throws into coverage...because his receivers were covered.

 

[ponchsox]

We need to give Kolb a chance to play a full game. As the season progresses, I think he will put up solid numbers.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He had Roddy White.

Yeah but Roddy really sucked back then. The argument is still being waged whether it was because Vick passed badly or because Roddy was still developing but either way, Roddy dropped a ton of passes that were in his hands over the last couple of years with Vick.

Roddy White looked like a completely different player after Vick left. He suddenly started catching the same passes he used to drop all the time from Vick. Maybe it was the way Vick threw the ball.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He had Roddy White.

Yeah but Roddy really sucked back then. The argument is still being waged whether it was because Vick passed badly or because Roddy was still developing but either way, Roddy dropped a ton of passes that were in his hands over the last couple of years with Vick.

That was because Vick was throwing his patented 100 mph fastball...on every throw.Vick has a strong, strong arm. But he has very little touch and his accuracy waxes and wanes.

Vick had a good game in relief. He's always had good games. But this is a guy that's had lots of people coach him up and he just doesn't seem able to pull it all together into one package.

But if Philly's o-line continues to struggle, Vick is probably going to be able to do more than Kolb just because his legs can buy him some time and that's going to help his receivers get open. Kolb looked bad forcing throws into coverage...because his receivers were covered.

This was another problem with Vick's development IMO. Each year Atlanta trotted out new (mostly garbage) receivers, new HC, new OC, etc. Didn't seem like a good idea for the long-term development of a QB. Now he's in his 2nd year with a team known for getting the most out of QBs. Should be interesting to see how he develops here if given the chance.

 

[Shlon]

He had Roddy White.

Yeah but Roddy really sucked back then. The argument is still being waged whether it was because Vick passed badly or because Roddy was still developing but either way, Roddy dropped a ton of passes that were in his hands over the last couple of years with Vick.

Roddy White looked like a completely different player after Vick left. He suddenly started catching the same passes he used to drop all the time from Vick. Maybe it was the way Vick threw the ball.

Vick isn't a very accurate QB but Roddy White did admit that during his first few years with Atlanta, he didn't work hard. He would always be at Mcdonald's and never give much effort in practice and that was a big factor in Roddy White's ineffectiveness in his first few seasons in the NFL (while Vick was QB). Good reads on the subject: http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/12/05/fal...ome-a-long-way/ and http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...s-up-in-a-hurry

 

[Darth Cheney]

Have to start Vick at this point. Kolb in not on a long term deal, and there are people in the organization that like Vick better then Kolb.

Who are these people? The Eagles spent the off-season trying to trade Vick and at one point they were thinking they made a mistake by picking up his 5 mil option. Kolb is under contract through 2011. Vick is under contract through this season.Reid scouted KK for years. Made him the team's first pick in the '07 draft when they clearly had more pressing needs. Kept him for 3 seasons under McNabb, then felt comfortable enough with him they traded the franchise QB to a division rival. I'm pretty sure AR gives him more than 10 passes before benching him. And he still completed a higher percentage of his passes today then McNabb did.

Is the front office the same as 2007? The same people who said Vick's roster spot was never in doubt. Roseman and Lurie who took a pr hit to sign him.

Eagles press conference.... after being asked in three different ways if Kolb would remain the starter...Reid: I don't have a very good grasp of the English language...I don't know if I'm explaining it right. Kevin Kolb is the number one quarterback.

 

[ponchsox]

Have to start Vick at this point. Kolb in not on a long term deal, and there are people in the organization that like Vick better then Kolb.

Who are these people? The Eagles spent the off-season trying to trade Vick and at one point they were thinking they made a mistake by picking up his 5 mil option. Kolb is under contract through 2011. Vick is under contract through this season.Reid scouted KK for years. Made him the team's first pick in the '07 draft when they clearly had more pressing needs. Kept him for 3 seasons under McNabb, then felt comfortable enough with him they traded the franchise QB to a division rival. I'm pretty sure AR gives him more than 10 passes before benching him. And he still completed a higher percentage of his passes today then McNabb did.

Is the front office the same as 2007? The same people who said Vick's roster spot was never in doubt. Roseman and Lurie who took a pr hit to sign him.

Eagles press conference.... after being asked in three different ways if Kolb would remain the starter...Reid: I don't have a very good grasp of the English language...I don't know if I'm explaining it right. Kevin Kolb is the number one quarterback.

So Vick is QB 1A?

 

[urbanhack]

Kolb will be right back in there when he's healthy.

...and then out for a one or two plays every series. This bothered me more than anything else yesterday as a Kolb owner.

 

[ponchsox]

Kolb will be right back in there when he's healthy.

...and then out for a one or two plays every series. This bothered me more than anything else yesterday as a Kolb owner.

Agreed, it was hard to watch as a KK owner. I hope I don't have to go through this again tonight with Thomas Jones stealing carries from Jamaal Charles.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

I very much dislike Mike Vick.That said, I don't see how they can keep him from under center now. Kolb blew it and the injury means he won't have a chance to fix it.My guess is Vick is the starter next game or two while Kolb recovers. If Vick keeps it up even half way, I say he's the man the rest of the season.

I don't think Reid's ego would allow that.

Reid is not exactly known for his humility and willingness/ability to change what he's doing.

 

[Clifford]

I've never really been sold on Kolb so I'm biased in that regard. But can someone tell me why Kolb would have so much security? The guy has had a handful of good games in his career, clearly not an established young star or anything. The amount of bad I saw from him today greatly outweighs any good I've seen from him, and Vick is picking GB apart right now.Now, one game does not a season or career make (good or bad), but I just don't see why Vick wouldn't get a shot at the job if he clearly outplays Kolb -- which he has done today.

I think Kolb's job security is basically all in the coaching staff and their need to justify letting McNabb go. They have an internal need to show they made the right call, and they made it based on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb, not on aKolb/Vick combo being better or Vick being better. I think this is why they are already saying Kolb could start next week.To me that's shaky. However, I think we should expect Kolb to get every opportunity to succeed. If healthy he will get 80% of the snaps until he plays his way out of them. I don't think Vick can simply play his way into the position. Kolb has to lose it. But given that he's already losing the fan base and Vick is clearly looking better, I think he could do that in two subpar games.

 

[Max Power]

Eagles QB Kevin Kolb and MLB Stewart Bradley both failed their initial concussion tests on Monday.

They were both sent home for the day. CSN Philadelphia confirms that both players' statuses are "in serious doubt" for Week 2, and Kolb seems particularly unlikely to play. With the NFL investigating the situation, it seems highly improbable that the Eagles would use Bradley next Sunday, either.

Source: Comcast Sports Philadelphia

Related: Stewart Bradley

 

[munygon2]

I would bet money that Kolb sits this weekend. Time to start thinking about which QB's you would start Vick over.

 

[Truman]

He had Roddy White.

Yeah but Roddy really sucked back then. The argument is still being waged whether it was because Vick passed badly or because Roddy was still developing but either way, Roddy dropped a ton of passes that were in his hands over the last couple of years with Vick.

Roddy White looked like a completely different player after Vick left. He suddenly started catching the same passes he used to drop all the time from Vick. Maybe it was the way Vick threw the ball.

Vick isn't a very accurate QB but Roddy White did admit that during his first few years with Atlanta, he didn't work hard. He would always be at Mcdonald's and never give much effort in practice and that was a big factor in Roddy White's ineffectiveness in his first few seasons in the NFL (while Vick was QB). Good reads on the subject: http://www.scoresreport.com/2008/12/05/fal...ome-a-long-way/ and http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...s-up-in-a-hurry

Also: White wasn't even a starter. Couldn't beat out Ashley Lelie or Michael Jenkins. He did managed to finish amongst the leaders in drops. Roddy still has that problem from time to time now with drops in big situations.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Kolb will not practice until Friday at the earliest

Looks like Vick is a safe play this week. Considering the fact that they're playing the Lions, I could see Vick ranked in the top-10 this week.

 

[Amused to Death]

I've never really been sold on Kolb so I'm biased in that regard. But can someone tell me why Kolb would have so much security? The guy has had a handful of good games in his career, clearly not an established young star or anything. The amount of bad I saw from him today greatly outweighs any good I've seen from him, and Vick is picking GB apart right now.

Now, one game does not a season or career make (good or bad), but I just don't see why Vick wouldn't get a shot at the job if he clearly outplays Kolb -- which he has done today.

I think Kolb's job security is basically all in the coaching staff and their need to justify letting McNabb go. They have an internal need to show they made the right call, and they made it based on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb, not on aKolb/Vick combo being better or Vick being better. I think this is why they are already saying Kolb could start next week.To me that's shaky. However, I think we should expect Kolb to get every opportunity to succeed. If healthy he will get 80% of the snaps until he plays his way out of them. I don't think Vick can simply play his way into the position. Kolb has to lose it. But given that he's already losing the fan base and Vick is clearly looking better, I think he could do that in two subpar games.

They have an internal need to find out if Kolb is the QB of the future. So far he's played 2 great games and one poor half of football as the starter. I think he gets more time once he's healthy.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Have to start Vick at this point. Kolb in not on a long term deal, and there are people in the organization that like Vick better then Kolb.

Who are these people? The Eagles spent the off-season trying to trade Vick and at one point they were thinking they made a mistake by picking up his 5 mil option. Kolb is under contract through 2011. Vick is under contract through this season.Reid scouted KK for years. Made him the team's first pick in the '07 draft when they clearly had more pressing needs. Kept him for 3 seasons under McNabb, then felt comfortable enough with him they traded the franchise QB to a division rival. I'm pretty sure AR gives him more than 10 passes before benching him. And he still completed a higher percentage of his passes today then McNabb did.

Is the front office the same as 2007? The same people who said Vick's roster spot was never in doubt. Roseman and Lurie who took a pr hit to sign him.

Eagles press conference.... after being asked in three different ways if Kolb would remain the starter...Reid: I don't have a very good grasp of the English language...I don't know if I'm explaining it right. Kevin Kolb is the number one quarterback.

So Vick is QB 1A?

Vick is a starter who will probably do fairly well as long as Kolb is out....however....even if Vick averages 500 yards passing and 200 rushing....the minute Kevin Kolb is cleared to play...Vick will not be the starter anymore. FWIW, one of the hosts on 610 said that the aftermath of both concussions did not sound very good this morning.....but it remains to be seen.

 

[Clifford]

I've never really been sold on Kolb so I'm biased in that regard. But can someone tell me why Kolb would have so much security? The guy has had a handful of good games in his career, clearly not an established young star or anything. The amount of bad I saw from him today greatly outweighs any good I've seen from him, and Vick is picking GB apart right now.

Now, one game does not a season or career make (good or bad), but I just don't see why Vick wouldn't get a shot at the job if he clearly outplays Kolb -- which he has done today.

I think Kolb's job security is basically all in the coaching staff and their need to justify letting McNabb go. They have an internal need to show they made the right call, and they made it based on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb, not on aKolb/Vick combo being better or Vick being better. I think this is why they are already saying Kolb could start next week.To me that's shaky. However, I think we should expect Kolb to get every opportunity to succeed. If healthy he will get 80% of the snaps until he plays his way out of them. I don't think Vick can simply play his way into the position. Kolb has to lose it. But given that he's already losing the fan base and Vick is clearly looking better, I think he could do that in two subpar games.

They have an internal need to find out if Kolb is the QB of the future. So far he's played 2 great games and one poor half of football as the starter. I think he gets more time once he's healthy.

The sentence where I say the same thing is literally right under the part you bolded.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Vick is a starter who will probably do fairly well as long as Kolb is out....however....even if Vick averages 500 yards passing and 200 rushing....the minute Kevin Kolb is cleared to play...Vick will not be the starter anymore.

If Vick gets benched after obliterating the record books, it will create an even bigger controversy than if the Eagles just kept Kolb on the bench in the first place.

 

[Jason Wood]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you'll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Kolb will not practice until Friday at the earliest

Looks like Vick is a safe play this week. Considering the fact that they're playing the Lions, I could see Vick ranked in the top-10 this week.

KFFL) Updating previous reports, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid said QB Kevin Kolb (concussion) will not participate in practice until Friday, Sept. 17, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter. Just another source stating the same thing.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you'll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

Double edged sword. If the team starts 0-2, Reid will want Kolb back in there ASAP. Vick, after all, will have had the vast majority of the snaps during those two games.

 

[Insein]

Said it in the Eagles thread but Andy Reid is the problem. I feel Kolb could be a good QB but no QB can succeed (unless their name is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino) when we run the ball 12 times from scrimmage. Thats it. 12 runs that didn't include Vick's ad libbing. Throw that in with the fact that Andy brings vick in every 3rd play for some waste of time Wildcat and we have the most ridiculous offense I've ever seen. What QB can succeed with that. The only reason we got any points was the sheer fact that Vick improvised and did what he does best, run because no one is covering him. If a team gameplans for vick in the whole game, it will be much different. I think we'll win this week against Det but going forward, Vick will struggle. Kolb is the better long term play but it won't mean anything unless ANDY CHANGES!!!

 

[Nightly Mistake]

If a team gameplans for vick in the whole game, it will be much different.

I don't think this is getting factored in enough.

 

[chinawildman]

Maybe it was the throwbacks, but I'm surprised Philly fans aren't feeling a little nostalgia over No. 7's performance... Randall Cunningham anyone? Who ironically had his career resurrected in Minnesota after seemingly being done in the NFL.

 

[Amused to Death]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you'll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

By supporters, you mean Eagles fans right? I would hope all Eagles fans are hoping KK is the QB of the future. If he isn't, the team has invested 4 seasons for nothing and would need to start over in the '11 draft. Because if Kolb isn't the future, then the future isn't on the current roster.

 

[Jason Wood]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you'll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

By supporters, you mean Eagles fans right? I would hope all Eagles fans are hoping KK is the QB of the future. If he isn't, the team has invested 4 seasons for nothing and would need to start over in the '11 draft. Because if Kolb isn't the future, then the future isn't on the current roster.

Yes, all Eagles fans should want Kolb to succeed, obviously. But that doesn't mean we all have confidence in him. Of course, all Eagles fans should have wanted McNabb and Reid to win a Super Bowl but sadly I know quite a few that were more than happy they didn't so we could "make a change."

 

[shader]

If a team gameplans for vick in the whole game, it will be much different.

I don't think this is getting factored in enough.

Why? Was Vick a colossal failure when he was game-planned against?

 

[Amused to Death]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you'll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

By supporters, you mean Eagles fans right? I would hope all Eagles fans are hoping KK is the QB of the future. If he isn't, the team has invested 4 seasons for nothing and would need to start over in the '11 draft. Because if Kolb isn't the future, then the future isn't on the current roster.

Yes, all Eagles fans should want Kolb to succeed, obviously. But that doesn't mean we all have confidence in him. Of course, all Eagles fans should have wanted McNabb and Reid to win a Super Bowl but sadly I know quite a few that were more than happy they didn't so we could "make a change."

I think most, if not all, Eagles fan wanted to win with McNabb/Reid. However as it became more apparent #5 had taken the team as far as he could, it was time for a change. Same happens with all QB's. My #5 jersey still hangs in my closet, but it was time to move on.

 

[Jason Wood]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you'll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

By supporters, you mean Eagles fans right? I would hope all Eagles fans are hoping KK is the QB of the future. If he isn't, the team has invested 4 seasons for nothing and would need to start over in the '11 draft. Because if Kolb isn't the future, then the future isn't on the current roster.

Yes, all Eagles fans should want Kolb to succeed, obviously. But that doesn't mean we all have confidence in him. Of course, all Eagles fans should have wanted McNabb and Reid to win a Super Bowl but sadly I know quite a few that were more than happy they didn't so we could "make a change."

I think most, if not all, Eagles fan wanted to win with McNabb/Reid. However as it became more apparent #5 had taken the team as far as he could, it was time for a change. Same happens with all QB's. My #5 jersey still hangs in my closet, but it was time to move on.

It was time to move on IF Kevin Kolb could step in and play well. If we end up playing Vick, it was the wrong move IMHO.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

If a team gameplans for vick in the whole game, it will be much different.

I don't think this is getting factored in enough.

Why? Was Vick a colossal failure when he was game-planned against?

This is Vick2, not Vick1, and he received plenty of criticism for relying too much upon his athletic talent and failing to be able to run a real NFL offense, which ultimately limited his team's potential. Getting yards when your team is trailing big and the opposition hasn't game planned against you (and when the starter's attributes couldn't be more different from his) is relatively easy.

 

[redBourne]

If a team gameplans for vick in the whole game, it will be much different.

I don't think this is getting factored in enough.

Why? Was Vick a colossal failure when he was game-planned against?

He was only 2-2 as a starter in the playoffs and the only memorable win was against the pack at lambeau field. Not sure that's a measure of success or not. But considering that Philly shipped out McNabb...guessing no.

 

[delusional]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you\'ll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

By supporters, you mean Eagles fans right? I would hope all Eagles fans are hoping KK is the QB of the future. If he isn\'t, the team has invested 4 seasons for nothing and would need to start over in the \'11 draft. Because if Kolb isn\'t the future, then the future isn\'t on the current roster.

Yes, all Eagles fans should want Kolb to succeed, obviously. But that doesn\'t mean we all have confidence in him. Of course, all Eagles fans should have wanted McNabb and Reid to win a Super Bowl but sadly I know quite a few that were more than happy they didn\'t so we could \"make a change.\"

I think most, if not all, Eagles fan wanted to win with McNabb/Reid. However as it became more apparent #5 had taken the team as far as he could, it was time for a change. Same happens with all QB\'s. My #5 jersey still hangs in my closet, but it was time to move on.

More apparent that Reid needs to move one and who should have moved on sooner.

Reid will NOT bench Kolb if he is healthy. Him and the team have time invested in him, even though it didn\'t look it.

Now if Kolb was drafted where he should have been...and it was an open competition ...different story. Whose to say its not the front office either. They ( front office ) wanted McNabb gone while Reid wanted him to stay.

Kolb can have 5 games like he did yesterday and will still be the starter. Reid has a habit of being too loyal to players regardless of their talent / play on the field. Look at all the years of \"we are fine at that position\" type comments.

Should Vick start? Yes. It is their best chance to win this season. His running ability & experience plays hand in hand with the poor offensive line & lack luster play calling.

Will he? Nope

edit: GB players have been quoted that they DID gameplan for Vick also.

By supporters, you mean Eagles fans right? I would hope all Eagles fans are hoping KK is the QB of the future. If he isn\'t, the team has invested 4 seasons for nothing and would need to start over in the \'11 draft. Because if Kolb isn\'t the future, then the future isn\'t on the current roster.

They held on to other players for a long time trying to sell them as #1s or whatever. I don\'t see why this would be any different. Reid is only here for 3 years. Kolb is 26 now. Next year they need to find serious Oline help. That would put Kolb at 27 & his 5th year on the team. I think that is pushing it for \"is he the future\".

I think within 3 years they are going to bring in or promote from somewhere, a O.C. that will have his own twist on things and not be a Mr Hat to Reid\'s Mr.Garrison ( Marty & Reid ). When that happens, the new O.C. and whatever HC they have lined up are going to want to play with their own guys and not a 4+ year project. Because face it that is what Kolb is.

 

[Amused to Death]

Honestly the situation is setting up as problematic because of the way things are falling into place. If the concussion keeps Kolb out, Vick gets a chance to start...against DETROIT. You can totally see a scenario where he helps the team roll to a victory, in which case you'll have an even more divisive debate on your hands. I still think Kolb is the starter again immediately upon clearing his post concussion tests, but he and his supporters better pray he plays really well that first game back.

By supporters, you mean Eagles fans right? I would hope all Eagles fans are hoping KK is the QB of the future. If he isn't, the team has invested 4 seasons for nothing and would need to start over in the '11 draft. Because if Kolb isn't the future, then the future isn't on the current roster.

Yes, all Eagles fans should want Kolb to succeed, obviously. But that doesn't mean we all have confidence in him. Of course, all Eagles fans should have wanted McNabb and Reid to win a Super Bowl but sadly I know quite a few that were more than happy they didn't so we could "make a change."

I think most, if not all, Eagles fan wanted to win with McNabb/Reid. However as it became more apparent #5 had taken the team as far as he could, it was time for a change. Same happens with all QB's. My #5 jersey still hangs in my closet, but it was time to move on.

It was time to move on IF Kevin Kolb could step in and play well. If we end up playing Vick, it was the wrong move IMHO.

But the team was not going to extend DM. The team was moving on without him if they didn't trade him. We would never know if KK was a future QB unless he got his turn. Now is his turn. Whether you think that should have come next year is irrelevant. But he was going to get his turn.

 

[Jason Wood]

But the team was not going to extend DM. The team was moving on without him if they didn't trade him. We would never know if KK was a future QB unless he got his turn. Now is his turn. Whether you think that should have come next year is irrelevant. But he was going to get his turn.

Again, the decision makes sense in the context of the team believing in Kolb. And if he plays well this year, it was obviously the right move. But then I want to see Andy play the kid, and not shuttle him in and out of the lineup like it was a QBBC; which is how he was calling the game yesterday before the concussion.

 

[Amused to Death]

But the team was not going to extend DM. The team was moving on without him if they didn't trade him. We would never know if KK was a future QB unless he got his turn. Now is his turn. Whether you think that should have come next year is irrelevant. But he was going to get his turn.

Again, the decision makes sense in the context of the team believing in Kolb. And if he plays well this year, it was obviously the right move. But then I want to see Andy play the kid, and not shuttle him in and out of the lineup like it was a QBBC; which is how he was calling the game yesterday before the concussion.

I completely agree with that. But the only way to know if Kolb is a true NFL QB is to play him. And that wasn't happening with DM on the team and he was gone after this year anyway. He would have walked and the Eagles would have gotten nothing for him. Plus it would have been a year later in the development of the young core.I don't know why fans are so fixated on winning this year. This is an 8-8 season with either QB. So what if Vick gives them another win or 2. This team needs to go through the growing pains of a rebuilding year. If not now, then another year later. I want to see if they need to draft a QB in the first 2 rounds next year.

 

[footballnerd]

But the team was not going to extend DM. The team was moving on without him if they didn't trade him. We would never know if KK was a future QB unless he got his turn. Now is his turn. Whether you think that should have come next year is irrelevant. But he was going to get his turn.

Again, the decision makes sense in the context of the team believing in Kolb. And if he plays well this year, it was obviously the right move. But then I want to see Andy play the kid, and not shuttle him in and out of the lineup like it was a QBBC; which is how he was calling the game yesterday before the concussion.

how is a new QB supposed to gain confidence and a rhythm when he's shuffled in and out like that?Should develop one offensive aspect at a time. Practice incorporating the wildcat with a veteran QB, not when you just changed to a new one.

 

[Todem]

If you are watching the game I would say not.Vick is the same Vick he has always been. A Zebra can`t change his spots.

We must be watching different games. Vick looks awesome.

Yeah when he leaves the pocket.You can't win in the NFL outside the pocket. Period.On the subject. It's Kolb's Job this year. No debate in that clubhouse.

 

[ponchsox]

I wonder of this was Reid's game plan playing against a superior opponent like Green Bay. Maybe he thought putting Vick in would keep the defense honest. If they did this every game, you could put any QB back there and they would fail.

 

[Jason Wood]

But the team was not going to extend DM. The team was moving on without him if they didn't trade him. We would never know if KK was a future QB unless he got his turn. Now is his turn. Whether you think that should have come next year is irrelevant. But he was going to get his turn.

Again, the decision makes sense in the context of the team believing in Kolb. And if he plays well this year, it was obviously the right move. But then I want to see Andy play the kid, and not shuttle him in and out of the lineup like it was a QBBC; which is how he was calling the game yesterday before the concussion.

I completely agree with that. But the only way to know if Kolb is a true NFL QB is to play him. And that wasn't happening with DM on the team and he was gone after this year anyway. He would have walked and the Eagles would have gotten nothing for him. Plus it would have been a year later in the development of the young core.I don't know why fans are so fixated on winning this year. This is an 8-8 season with either QB. So what if Vick gives them another win or 2. This team needs to go through the growing pains of a rebuilding year. If not now, then another year later. I want to see if they need to draft a QB in the first 2 rounds next year.

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't see it that way. If Kolb struggles this year, I think Andy will leave and the new coach will have his own ideas about who should QB this team.

 

[Todem]

But the team was not going to extend DM. The team was moving on without him if they didn't trade him. We would never know if KK was a future QB unless he got his turn. Now is his turn. Whether you think that should have come next year is irrelevant. But he was going to get his turn.

Again, the decision makes sense in the context of the team believing in Kolb. And if he plays well this year, it was obviously the right move. But then I want to see Andy play the kid, and not shuttle him in and out of the lineup like it was a QBBC; which is how he was calling the game yesterday before the concussion.

I completely agree with that. But the only way to know if Kolb is a true NFL QB is to play him. And that wasn't happening with DM on the team and he was gone after this year anyway. He would have walked and the Eagles would have gotten nothing for him. Plus it would have been a year later in the development of the young core.I don't know why fans are so fixated on winning this year. This is an 8-8 season with either QB. So what if Vick gives them another win or 2. This team needs to go through the growing pains of a rebuilding year. If not now, then another year later. I want to see if they need to draft a QB in the first 2 rounds next year.

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't see it that way. If Kolb struggles this year, I think Andy will leave and the new coach will have his own ideas about who should QB this team.

Yep. Career decision. You marry your QB. Reid divorced McNabb and gave Kolb the ring. If he fails badly this year he is a goner along with Kolb.

 

[ponchsox]

Reid is putting his job on the line with his QB. He better hope Kolb is the answer.