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Dolfans (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Footballguy
I think either QB will be a significant upgrade and the best Miami has looked at the position since the retiring of Superman...err Dan.

I actually think Culpepper would be better from an arm standpoint...we have seen QBs like Trent Green come back from torn ligaments and do very well.

Brees has issues with his throwing arm which wasn't a super strong arm to begin with. That said I think Brees has a little more between the ears than Culpepper who has shown that much of his success early was due to Carter and Moss...just throw it up and it magically is caught. Chamber would be a significant upgrade form what he was throwing to last season plain and simple.

It's a tough choice, curious what other Miami fans are thinking.

 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
I also agree that either would be a HUGE upgrade over Frerrotte.

At this point in time I do not want CPepp though. Does he have anymore "CL's" in his knee? The Vikings are expecting a high drfat pick and they won't let other teams' doctors check him out? NO THANKS. He does have a stronger arm but there are no guarantees he'll play next year.

I'd rather have Brees. Just seems like a smarter QB. Has played with Houck in the past and looks like he'll be back from his injury sooner than CPepp.

I'm hopeful Saban signs Brees by tonight.

 

Blackjacks

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.

 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:

 

Blackjacks

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.
 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.
Sorry. My bad.I hear what you're saying but the thought of Aaron Brooks in a Dolphin uniform makes me sick. For too many years I've seen that loser make bad decisions on the field. His team would be down big and you'd see him having a good time on the sidelines. NO THANKS.

Now if you would have said Kitna or Collins as a stop gap I might have agreed with you. Right now most Dolphin fans I run across want Brees.

 

Pied Piper

Footballguy
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.

:)

In 2004, Mossed missed 3 games and was just a decoy in 2 others. In those 5 games, Culpepper completed 113 of 166 passes (68%) for 1179 yards, 9 TDs and 3 INTs, which comes out to a QB rating of 99. For that season, if you exclude passes thrown to Moss, he completed 330 of 463 passes (71.3%), for 3950 yards and 26 TDs. Even if you assume that none of his INTs were on passes thrown to Moss, which is doubtful, his QB rating excluding Moss was 105.9.

 

imeimex

Footballguy
While Culpepper has become an easy target with his downfall this year after Moss left. You can't exactly say that Moss had a huge year himself this year without Culpepper. As a Bears fan who still regrets missing out on Culpepper, I don't see to many QBs in the league with better all around skills than C-Pep. Granted he is prone to more than his share of bonehead plays, fumbles, and is coming off a serious injury, but I think that has been the Vikings MO in general. Culpepper is coming at a reduced price than any other time in his past. Lets not forget that the line was pretty bad at the beginning of the year, and 260 pound QBs don't grow on trees.

 

SwampDawg

Footballguy
ok Blackjacks.....LOL LOL LOL

this dolphins fan wants Brees or draft a QB, sorry Cpep isn't a fit IMHO, he would frustrate Saban with all the turn overs and bad reads he makes, plus all i have read says he won't paly until the middle of next season at best, maybe not at all next year.

 

Keepers

Footballguy
At the QB position, rather have a guy who is coming back from a knee injury than a shoulder injury ... so many RBs make successful recoveries from knee injuries and QB is a lot less demanding position on knees. Think Brees will be fine though, but if comparing injuries rather go with the knee.

 

FinHead

Footballguy
I'd rather have Brees than Culpepper, but the injuries worry me. I'd hate for the Dolphins to tie up a lot of $$ and years in someone that's just not going to last or be effective.

Collins, Brooks - No thanks, I'd rather have Fiedler back.

If they could have gotten him for cheap, I would love to see Schaub in Miami. Even though he's very unproven, I've loved what I've seen from him. The Falcon's have already been through the mess of losing Vick once and having to struggle through backup QB's, so McKay is going to want way too much for an unproven backup QB. After Spielman's stupid move with Feeley, we're not going to go through that again.

With our draft pick, there's probably no chance of getting one of the big 3 QB's.

:shrug:

"In Nick We Trust."

 

-OZ-

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.
:confused: Since when is the price a 1st? MN will be lucky to get a 3rd right now.Coincidently, the same price they gave for Feeley.

 

Gatorman

Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
I have no problem with getting Aaron Brooks BTW. He has a good arm and has never had a good coach. I would still draft a QB in that case.

I do not care if we get Brees or Culpepper as long as we don't screw our cap or give up a pick to get either (ie. Hoping the vikes release c-pep). I also this that Gus is fine.

If you gave me both at the same price I would take c-pep over brees in a heartbeat

 

Liquid Tension

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
Not agreeing that Brooks is better, however, when you take dollars into account (and if you don't you are missing a huge factor), Brooks may be a better value. Brooks is not an injury risk either. For example, if Brooks is 6 mil a year less (and that is a real possibility judging from Brees 9 million a year asking) you could take that money and sign a very good player. Is your team better with Brees and Seth McKinney or Brooks and say LeCharles bentley as your center? The Dollars are the same and you could have a good argument for Bentley. Brooks numbers are p[retty good and consistent, even if he has been erratic at times. Main point here is to dismiss (or make fun of) the point that was being made is not looking at the entire scneario
 

Liquid Tension

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.
:confused: Since when is the price a 1st? MN will be lucky to get a 3rd right now.Coincidently, the same price they gave for Feeley.
The Dolphins gave a 2nd for Feely and a 3rd for Lamar Gordon (I am pretty sure)
 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
Not agreeing that Brooks is better, however, when you take dollars into account (and if you don't you are missing a huge factor), Brooks may be a better value. Brooks is not an injury risk either. For example, if Brooks is 6 mil a year less (and that is a real possibility judging from Brees 9 million a year asking) you could take that money and sign a very good player. Is your team better with Brees and Seth McKinney or Brooks and say LeCharles bentley as your center? The Dollars are the same and you could have a good argument for Bentley. Brooks numbers are p[retty good and consistent, even if he has been erratic at times. Main point here is to dismiss (or make fun of) the point that was being made is not looking at the entire scneario
Understood and I apologized to him for jumping down his throat.Doesn't change the fact that Brooks is a loser. I want no part of him on the Dolphins. As a previous poster stated I'd rather have Fiedler back than Aaron Brooks.

 

Native

Footballguy
Going into the offseason, I was prepared for a John Kitna vs Josh Mccown debate. Now the Dolphins have to choose between Duante Culpepper and Drew Brees? I must be dreaming.

Let this madness continue for a just few more days so we can land EITHER one of these guys - before their respective teams wake up and realize what a collosal mistake they're making....

 
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Liquid Tension

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
Not agreeing that Brooks is better, however, when you take dollars into account (and if you don't you are missing a huge factor), Brooks may be a better value. Brooks is not an injury risk either. For example, if Brooks is 6 mil a year less (and that is a real possibility judging from Brees 9 million a year asking) you could take that money and sign a very good player. Is your team better with Brees and Seth McKinney or Brooks and say LeCharles bentley as your center? The Dollars are the same and you could have a good argument for Bentley. Brooks numbers are p[retty good and consistent, even if he has been erratic at times. Main point here is to dismiss (or make fun of) the point that was being made is not looking at the entire scneario
Understood and I apologized to him for jumping down his throat.Doesn't change the fact that Brooks is a loser. I want no part of him on the Dolphins. As a previous poster stated I'd rather have Fiedler back than Aaron Brooks.
I think you are undervaluing Aaron Brooks tremendously. Guys are losers until they get a better team around them.
 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
Not agreeing that Brooks is better, however, when you take dollars into account (and if you don't you are missing a huge factor), Brooks may be a better value. Brooks is not an injury risk either. For example, if Brooks is 6 mil a year less (and that is a real possibility judging from Brees 9 million a year asking) you could take that money and sign a very good player. Is your team better with Brees and Seth McKinney or Brooks and say LeCharles bentley as your center? The Dollars are the same and you could have a good argument for Bentley. Brooks numbers are p[retty good and consistent, even if he has been erratic at times. Main point here is to dismiss (or make fun of) the point that was being made is not looking at the entire scneario
Understood and I apologized to him for jumping down his throat.Doesn't change the fact that Brooks is a loser. I want no part of him on the Dolphins. As a previous poster stated I'd rather have Fiedler back than Aaron Brooks.
I think you are undervaluing Aaron Brooks tremendously. Guys are losers until they get a better team around them.
The sight of Aaron Brooks on the sidelines having a good time while his team is getting blown out does not sit well with me. I have seen that on numerous occasions.

Loser is a strong word but I really do not want Aaron Brooks as the QB for my team - the Dolphins.

 
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Gatorman

Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
certain players need a better system around them. Brooks' skill set is better than Kordell's was, and look what Mularkey did with Kordell.

 

miphin

Footballguy
I am torn between the two. I would rather see Brees as a Dolphin. But, if you look at the injuries that they are recovering from then I would rather see C-Pep in there.

Either way they will be an upgrade if they can perform within 90% of what they were. We must have faith the Saban won't sell the farm for either of these guys and that they both get a very thorough medical exam.

I would not be opposed to Brooks either, a few years ago I actually enjoyed watching him play, I felt he was one of those few players that could actually take a game over and decide the outcome on his own. But as with most players, N.O. sucked the competitive life out of him. He may actually be productive in the right environment.

Another, interesting FA is McCown. People tend to scoff at him, but he actually may have some skill to showcase.

The bottom line for me is that they get a better than pedestrian QB for a reasonable price and draft a young guy to groom, then I will be happy.

 
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Team

Footballguy
certain players need a better system around them. Brooks' skill set is better than Kordell's was, and look what Mularkey did with Kordell.
No one has ever questioned Aaron Brooks skills. It's his head that's ####ed. Not sure a coaching change will make him any less ######ed.
 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
certain players need a better system around them. Brooks' skill set is better than Kordell's was, and look what Mularkey did with Kordell.
There are at least 10-20 FA QB's out there.We could get a couple of good ones out of the CFL or NFL Europe. Can we PLEASE stop trying to put Aaron Brooks on the Dolphins.

PLEASE for the love of God stop with the Aaron Brooks talk. He's a LOSER.

I'd rather have Brock Berlin or Cleo Lemon for a QB.

 

Blackjacks

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
Not agreeing that Brooks is better, however, when you take dollars into account (and if you don't you are missing a huge factor), Brooks may be a better value. Brooks is not an injury risk either. For example, if Brooks is 6 mil a year less (and that is a real possibility judging from Brees 9 million a year asking) you could take that money and sign a very good player. Is your team better with Brees and Seth McKinney or Brooks and say LeCharles bentley as your center? The Dollars are the same and you could have a good argument for Bentley. Brooks numbers are p[retty good and consistent, even if he has been erratic at times. Main point here is to dismiss (or make fun of) the point that was being made is not looking at the entire scneario
:goodposting: This is what I was saying

 

Blackjacks

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.
Sorry. My bad.I hear what you're saying but the thought of Aaron Brooks in a Dolphin uniform makes me sick. For too many years I've seen that loser make bad decisions on the field. His team would be down big and you'd see him having a good time on the sidelines. NO THANKS.

Now if you would have said Kitna or Collins as a stop gap I might have agreed with you. Right now most Dolphin fans I run across want Brees.
Do you also remember watching him lead his team to the playoffs and winning their first playoff game in their teams' history. The whole team became a joke, you put a good coach with a good offense around him and I think he could regain his 2001-2003 form. Just to note I've never had Brooks on my team nor am I a big fan of his I just really thnk he'd be a good signing for Miami for the $. I am a Ronnie Brown owner though.
 

Blackjacks

Footballguy
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.
:)

In 2004, Mossed missed 3 games and was just a decoy in 2 others. In those 5 games, Culpepper completed 113 of 166 passes (68%) for 1179 yards, 9 TDs and 3 INTs, which comes out to a QB rating of 99. For that season, if you exclude passes thrown to Moss, he completed 330 of 463 passes (71.3%), for 3950 yards and 26 TDs. Even if you assume that none of his INTs were on passes thrown to Moss, which is doubtful, his QB rating excluding Moss was 105.9.

Okay, what were his #'s without Linehan and Moss?

 

Blackjacks

Footballguy
Brees = Pennington

I don't really like Culpepper either.

I actuall like Aaron Brooks more than both of them. Go right ahead and laugh but if you

got him with a good coach and a good team around him I still think he's young enough

to turn around his career. Even Collins would be better in my opinion. I wouldn't want to

give up alot, either $ or draft picks for a guy that is coming off of a serious injury. I

would get one of those guys and draft Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round for the future.
I've seen a lot of funny stuff on this site but this tales the cake.Aaron Broks is better than Brees and CPepp. :eek:
That's not what I said. What I'm stating is that I wouldn't want to invest alot in a player who's coming back from a serious injury. Would you want to trade C-Pepp for a 1st round pick and wait until he gets healthy or would you want to get a good player, Brooks or Collins and a good vetern witht he $ you'd save. Also what did C-Pepp do without Linehan and Moss. I think he looked just as bad or worse than Brooks last year.
Sorry. My bad.I hear what you're saying but the thought of Aaron Brooks in a Dolphin uniform makes me sick. For too many years I've seen that loser make bad decisions on the field. His team would be down big and you'd see him having a good time on the sidelines. NO THANKS.

Now if you would have said Kitna or Collins as a stop gap I might have agreed with you. Right now most Dolphin fans I run across want Brees.
I did say Collins!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

pantherman

Footballguy
Brees is the man in Miami because he is the only QB I have left on my Dynasty league (besides Frye, and Smith) and he needs a home real bad. :sarcasm:

 

FreeBaGeL

Footballguy
Please please please just not Culpepper. I don't want him on my team making 3 turnovers for every TD he throws.

 

imeimex

Footballguy
Daunte Culpepper's 2004 stats 4717 Yards 69.2 COM % 39 TD 11 INT 110.9 QB RATING

man does he suck!!!

 
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SwampDawg

Footballguy
Looking more like Pepper to the FIN's. He would be a steal for only a 2nd round pick
Not if he doesn't play until November if at all next year. Sorry this fins fan wants Brees or even Schaub before Cpep, something too weird about the Vikings not letting anyone even see his medical records when it's obvious that team is interested. I think he may be done for 2006 and who knows after that.
 

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