Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (2 Viewers)

[Slapdash]

Guys like Incogstupido are the reason a "do not draft board" were created in NFL board rooms.

Right, yet somehow this ####### Ireland didn't add Pouncey or Incognito to his. I guess he asked Dez Bryant if it mom was a prostitute though. Really dodged a bullet there

 

[The Duff Man]

In my mind it boils down to this:

SOME level of hazing is normal in NFL culture. We dont live with that as a part of our world, they do.

It seems likely that Incognito ramped up the hazing. He, and other Dolphins, may have thought it is not bad (compared to their NORM in the NFL).

But to the civilized world outside the NFL, it clearly was.

The main factor is Martin. Incognito may have done the same thing to others who "took it like a man" with no consequence. But someone (Incognito, Dolphins management, other players?) should have seen that Martin was being negatively effected and put an end to it. A decision was made to keep pushing the guy until he came around or snapped....which is an incredibly poor decision for an NFL franchise.

 

[Bob Magaw]

C'mon, you don't think Martin has some sissy in him? You think he handled this well?

So you either get in a physical altercation or you're a sissy?

Wooooo dude....you have to read my posts. I said "I'm not saying throw down with the maniac..."I mean none of us know how Martin tried to handle this previously, but start at standing up for yourself and telling the big dope "hey I'm here to play football, leave me out of your bull####". Or, if you're so terrified of the guy being dangerous like some others are suggesting (which I think is ridiculous), how about knocking on your coaches door, or general managers door?

If the guys first defense was to run home to mommy and daddy, then I don't care what any of you think, imo he's a sissy. A sissy that I do feel bad for, but a sissy nonetheless.

do you know he didn't go to the coaches... is the first instinct that martin is guilty until proven innocent, and sort the facts out later?

I'm just going off what I've seen and heard and read.

understood.impotant aspects of the case have only broken In the last 12 hours.

details are still emerging.

does it seem unreasonable to wait for more information before passing judgement on and name calling martin?

This doesn't go both ways?

Others are being irresponsible for not calling him a sissy when we don't know what happened?is that your point?

No. Incognito and Pouncey getting destroyed in here you're ok with?For the record I'm all for it. I have no problems name calling everyone involved at this point.

incognito has a well documented history of trouble, he is less deserving of the benefit of the doubt than martin... but i was responding to the allegations that team and league officials have seen and heard the evidence of text and voice message threats? if he did what was alleged, it sounds like he engaged in bullying and harrassment, and left a record of it... if the allegations are true, is there are a reason you are so intent on preserving the rights of the bully?

pouncey i haven't seen getting destroyed, i realize some people are questioning him for earlier wearing the free hernandez hat, and the recent subpoena he was served with (though he may just be wanted as a witness)... i agree that pouncey shouldn't be trashed, but if your point is that if others are doing something wrong in the thread so it somehow balances things out by you also doing wrong things (by calling him a sissy) and contributing your share of negativity, i don't agree.

 

[Slapdash]

Really not a fan of some many players coming out in support of Icognito.

 

[Short Corner]

Martin is alleging player misconduct(Official on CBS), he is 100% MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS...I cannot imagine him ever playing in the NFL again, I really can't.

He'll settle out of court for 8 figures minimum if that happens.

 

[jurb26]

In my mind it boils down to this:

SOME level of hazing is normal in NFL culture. We dont live with that as a part of our world, they do.

It seems likely that Incognito ramped up the hazing. He, and other Dolphins, may have thought it is not bad (compared to their NORM in the NFL).

But to the civilized world outside the NFL, it clearly was.

The main factor is Martin. Incognito may have done the same thing to others who "took it like a man" with no consequence. But someone (Incognito, Dolphins management, other players?) should have seen that Martin was being negatively effected and put an end to it. A decision was made to keep pushing the guy until he came around or snapped....which is an incredibly poor decision for an NFL franchise.

The guy made threatening and racist comments to his teammate. This is far from a just outside the lines of hazing case. Maybe Martin held the racist/threatening stuff from the powers that be. I'm not sure, but I doubt it. Either way, other players had to know and either encouraged the behavior or ignored it.

 

[fatness]

Richie Incognito in a bar earlier this year (video).

 

[MoveToSkypager]

More Trotter...

"interesting that of the half dozen personnel people/players i've spoken with, all feel martin should've handled this man to man."

@ the assumption that "man to man" still exists in today's age.

It's a remnant of the days when people still could settle things by themselves, but that only works when all the chips are on the table. Now that we can't settle things like that, those days are gone. Some people like to pretend issues can be settled without all the chips on the table, but that's only because they've never had to deal with that before.

 

[Hybrid]

I apologize if it has been posted earlier, but here's a copy of the transcript of a voicemail left for Martin by Incognito in April 2013, a year after Martin was drafted:

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [i want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [i'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [i'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

Source: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9926139/richie-incognito-miami-dolphins-used-slurs-messages-jonathan-martin

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

In my mind it boils down to this:

SOME level of hazing is normal in NFL culture. We dont live with that as a part of our world, they do.

It seems likely that Incognito ramped up the hazing. He, and other Dolphins, may have thought it is not bad (compared to their NORM in the NFL).

But to the civilized world outside the NFL, it clearly was.

The main factor is Martin. Incognito may have done the same thing to others who "took it like a man" with no consequence. But someone (Incognito, Dolphins management, other players?) should have seen that Martin was being negatively effected and put an end to it. A decision was made to keep pushing the guy until he came around or snapped....which is an incredibly poor decision for an NFL franchise.

This is a good post.

It surprises me 0% that guy, Incognito, who is anually mentioned among the NFL's dirtiest players and has "formally" won the award before, would be the kind of guy that takes the "locker room fun", and I do mean bullying, to an extreme level. The tough guy meathead that doesn't know when he's crossed the line.

On the flipside, Martin looks a little soft (Not every OT is Joe Thomas), seems to be smiling in most of the pics you see and is 6-7 years younger than Incognito. I could easily see where he would take it a while in good spirits, but eventually snap, and maybe he's just not the type of person to do it in a physical way. I wasn't growing up. Wish to these days I had fough back a little more when I was bullied, I just didn't have it in me when I was younger to stickup for myself.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Really not a fan of some many players coming out in support of Icognito.

That would be like someone supporting TO's long term money management strategies.

 

[RBM]

People spending their time blaming Martin... "He should have just slugged them", "Have tougher skin", "Just avoid them", etc. Classic victim blaming. God help your kids if they ever get bullied, hurt, abused, and they turn to you for help.

Good for Martin for standing up for himself in the great American way- through lawyers. The team ignores his pleas for help? Meet me in the courtroom. Martin can do 10x the damage here without throwing a single punch. So actually, he IS fighting back. I hope they throw the book at Incognito hard enough that his head comes clean off.

Nobody bullies Steve Smith anymore. Pop a guy in the soup coolers during a film session for making fun of you, word gets around.

Have any of you put the cheetoh bag down long enough to play organized ball? Rookie hazing has been going on since they filled Jay Berwanger's leather helmet with a healthy handful of Burma Shave. Granted, I was just a punter and didn't get the level of hazing that the lineman did to each other, but I saw my share.

If it were up to some of you, Ralphie in A Christmas Story would have run crying to his teacher instead of laying some jabs on the bully. No wonder kids these days don't stand up for themselves. They're taught it's better to hide behind your mothers skirt than growing some balls and ending the bullying yourself. Martin is just the latest example of the generation of daisies that permeate our landscape these days. Grow a pair, Nancy.

Who did Stevie pop in the cooler? The punter?

Pretty sure it wasn't Rae Carruth or Aaron Hernandez.

Stephen Davis

 

[Todd Andrews]

What did Martin expect going back to Incognito's place all drunk in the middle of the night?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Guys like Incogstupido are the reason a "do not draft board" were created in NFL board rooms.

G1, agree

 

[jurb26]

Richie Incognito in a bar earlier this year (video).

seems like a reasonable guy, wonder why Martin didn't just stick up for himself

That my friends is called roid rage.

 

[phrozen]

I love the internet tough guy routine here. easy to hide behind a monitor with your beer gut and queso dip on your t-shirt. maybe you should try to crush a couple of empty cans of natural light in honor of your support for Incognito.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

 

[RBM]

Tom Jackson, Keyshawn Johnson and Cris Carter called Incognito a racist. Said Martin's teammates and coaches let him down. Clearly took Martin's side and were disgusted with the

voice message Incognito left for Martin. Ditka was negative about Incognito as well. Said there's no place for this in the locker room.

Seriously?

Yup. I'm sure they will discuss it more on Monday Night Countdown on ESPN. The tone of the discussion felt very serious and you could tell they were angry. Particularly Tom Jackson and Cris Carter.

And you know what? I don't blame them one bit. I definitely think there's a racism component to this. In this thread as well.

Oh dear lord here we go.

 

[Touchdown There]

Tom Jackson, Keyshawn Johnson and Cris Carter called Incognito a racist. Said Martin's teammates and coaches let him down. Clearly

took Martin's side and were disgusted with the

voice message Incognito left for Martin. Ditka was negative about Incognito as well. Said there's no place for this in the locker room.

Seriously?

Yup. I'm sure they will discuss it more on Monday Night Countdown on ESPN. The tone of the discussion felt very serious and you could tell they were angry. Particularly Tom Jackson and Cris Carter.

Yeah, I meant that you seriously couldn't see through the ESPN bull####?

Hey I'm just posting what I saw on TV man. I thought it would add to this topics discussion. I haven't put my own opinion in here.

Faust has this same issue on the board.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Has the above been mentioned before?

 

[Touchdown There]

Guys like Incogstupido are the reason a "do not draft board" were created in NFL board rooms.

Exactly.

 

[fatness]

Richie Incognito in a bar earlier this year (video).

seems like a reasonable guy, wonder why Martin didn't just stick up for himself

That my friends is called roid rage.

Here we see Incognito stomping around a bar, shirtless, screaming like a drunken nutjob. At the very beginning, you can hear him yell, "Mike Pouncey, #####!" Pouncey is one of Incognito's Dolphins teammates. It's not clear why Incognito is losing his mind in this video, but it probably has something to do with him being a crazy person.

But the absolute best part comes at the very end, when the guys doing the filming mistake Incognito for Kyle Turley.

deadspin

 

[Native]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Has the above been mentioned before?

Nope. News to me. Very strange.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Has the above been mentioned before?

Nope. News to me. Very strange.

There seems like so much missing from this story.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Has the above been mentioned before?

I've seen them in pictures with smiles and I don't think that means they are friends, it just means you smile when you are together and someone is taking a picture. And I don't know how often guys do or do not car pool together, but don't think car pooling means they are cozy.

You don't carpool with people you hate.

 

[KCitons]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Has the above been mentioned before?

I've seen them in pictures with smiles and I don't think that means they are friends, it just means you smile when you are together and someone is taking a picture. And I don't know how often guys do or do not car pool together, but don't think car pooling means they are cozy.

You don't carpool with people you hate.

You do if you get to drive in the carpool lane.

 

[jurb26]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Has the above been mentioned before?

I've seen them in pictures with smiles and I don't think that means they are friends, it just means you smile when you are together and someone is taking a picture. And I don't know how often guys do or do not car pool together, but don't think car pooling means they are cozy.

You don't carpool with people you hate.

Unless that is part of you're "hazing." Hey rookie, you gotta be my cabbie. That is actually a pretty normal hazing in my experience.

 

[Touchdown There]

More Trotter...

"interesting that of the half dozen personnel people/players i've spoken with, all feel martin should've handled this man to man."

@ the assumption that "man to man" still exists in today's age.

If he beats Incognito and/or Pouncey up? It is not unreasonable to assume Pouncey would follow his buddy AHern's lead and come back with semi-automatic pistols.

Oh lord. Beat him up? Is this third grade? You would be lucky to get five or ten swings in before the team separates you. Then the coaches chide the both of you in front of everyone. No one learns anything. Rinse and repeat about ten times before the coaches call you both into an office to have a chat. In that chat you play the recording of his racist vm and let it be known you are no longer a rookie and will not be tolerating Incognitos #### anymore.Problem solved.

 

[KCitons]

More Trotter...

"interesting that of the half dozen personnel people/players i've spoken with, all feel martin should've handled this man to man."

@ the assumption that "man to man" still exists in today's age.

If he beats Incognito and/or Pouncey up? It is not unreasonable to assume Pouncey would follow his buddy AHern's lead and come back with semi-automatic pistols.

Oh lord. Beat him up? Is this third grade? You would be lucky to get five or ten swings in before the team separates you. Then the coaches chide the both of you in front of everyone. No one learns anything. Rinse and repeat about ten times before the coaches call you both into an office to have a chat. In that chat you play the recording of his racist vm and let it be known you are no longer a rookie and will not be tolerating Incognitos #### anymore.Problem solved.

Then Incognito chop blocks Martin during the next game and takes out his ACL.

 

[fatness]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Tina Turner slept with Ike Turner. Repeatedly. Pretty cozy for wife beater & victim.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

OK. New theory.

Martin hates football, but he loves money. Incognito loves football, but he loves money more. Martin knows Incognito's reputation and decides he would make a great fall guy. They work a plan where Incognito creates an abusive working environment so that Martin has a good case against the not only the NFL but the Dolphins too, and can extract a bunch of cash from them. Incognito gets named in a lawsuit too, but he's not the big fish. Martin gets a boatload of cash and gives Incognito a cut. Both out of football, both worth more after the settlements than they would have if they played out their careers in the league, all without working.

 

[General Tso]

More Trotter...

"interesting that of the half dozen personnel people/players i've spoken with, all feel martin should've handled this man to man."

@ the assumption that "man to man" still exists in today's age.

If he beats Incognito and/or Pouncey up? It is not unreasonable to assume Pouncey would follow his buddy AHern's lead and come back with semi-automatic pistols.

Oh lord. Beat him up? Is this third grade? You would be lucky to get five or ten swings in before the team separates you. Then the coaches chide the both of you in front of everyone. No one learns anything. Rinse and repeat about ten times before the coaches call you both into an office to have a chat. In that chat you play the recording of his racist vm and let it be known you are no longer a rookie and will not be tolerating Incognitos #### anymore.Problem solved.

I wonder if Oden Lloyd ever had thoughts like this. Or Jarod Remy's wife. Or Nicole Simpson.Like my dad always taught me, you can't fight Crazy.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Tina Turner slept with Ike Turner. Repeatedly. Pretty cozy for wife beater & victim.

I thought they may have been together too.

 

[Hoss Style]

@HubbuchNYP: Story keeps getting stranger. MT @FinzZombie: Incognito and Martin car pooled to home games together. Pretty cozy for racist bully & victim.

Has the above been mentioned before?

I've seen them in pictures with smiles and I don't think that means they are friends, it just means you smile when you are together and someone is taking a picture. And I don't know how often guys do or do not car pool together, but don't think car pooling means they are cozy.

You don't carpool with people you hate.

Unless that is part of you're "hazing." Hey rookie, you gotta be my cabbie. That is actually a pretty normal hazing in my experience.

Was going to say the same thing. The new guy always has to be the DD when you go out.

We'll have to wait and see if it was like "Hey, Martin, I'm going to Wal-Mart to buy a shirt. You headed there too? Wanna save some gas?" or was it more like "Hey dip***t! We're going out. Guess who's driving, a****le?!?"

 

[Bob Magaw]

https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/397472130289250304

Incognito says Martin easiest to scare in Cin Mia program

Already posted but thanks.

Oops, missed it

Better to post it twice than not post it all. Keep 'em coming.

especially when it is like 18 pages and counting...

over/under on pages?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

People spending their time blaming Martin... "He should have just slugged them", "Have tougher skin", "Just avoid them", etc. Classic victim blaming. God help your kids if they ever get bullied, hurt, abused, and they turn to you for help.

Good for Martin for standing up for himself in the great American way- through lawyers. The team ignores his pleas for help? Meet me in the courtroom. Martin can do 10x the damage here without throwing a single punch. So actually, he IS fighting back. I hope they throw the book at Incognito hard enough that his head comes clean off.

Nobody bullies Steve Smith anymore. Pop a guy in the soup coolers during a film session for making fun of you, word gets around.

Have any of you put the cheetoh bag down long enough to play organized ball? Rookie hazing has been going on since they filled Jay Berwanger's leather helmet with a healthy handful of Burma Shave. Granted, I was just a punter and didn't get the level of hazing that the lineman did to each other, but I saw my share.

If it were up to some of you, Ralphie in A Christmas Story would have run crying to his teacher instead of laying some jabs on the bully. No wonder kids these days don't stand up for themselves. They're taught it's better to hide behind your mothers skirt than growing some balls and ending the bullying yourself. Martin is just the latest example of the generation of daisies that permeate our landscape these days. Grow a pair, Nancy.

Who did Stevie pop in the cooler? The punter?

Pretty sure it wasn't Rae Carruth or Aaron Hernandez.

Stephen Davis

That was Michael Westbrook

 

[Touchdown There]

More Trotter...

"interesting that of the half dozen personnel people/players i've spoken with, all feel martin should've handled this man to man."

@ the assumption that "man to man" still exists in today's age.

If he beats Incognito and/or Pouncey up? It is not unreasonable to assume Pouncey would follow his buddy AHern's lead and come back with semi-automatic pistols.

Oh lord. Beat him up? Is this third grade? You would be lucky to get five or ten swings in before the team separates you. Then the coaches chide the both of you in front of everyone. No one learns anything. Rinse and repeat about ten times before the coaches call you both into an office to have a chat. In that chat you play the recording of his racist vm and let it be known you are no longer a rookie and will not be tolerating Incognitos #### anymore.Problem solved.

I wonder if Oden Lloyd ever had thoughts like this. Or Jarod Remy's wife. Or Nicole Simpson.Like my dad always taught me, you can't fight Crazy.

Wrong kind of crazy. Not like he will grab a nine and go gangsta. More like he will wipe his poop all over your locker.

 

[KCitons]

People spending their time blaming Martin... "He should have just slugged them", "Have tougher skin", "Just avoid them", etc. Classic victim blaming. God help your kids if they ever get bullied, hurt, abused, and they turn to you for help.

Good for Martin for standing up for himself in the great American way- through lawyers. The team ignores his pleas for help? Meet me in the courtroom. Martin can do 10x the damage here without throwing a single punch. So actually, he IS fighting back. I hope they throw the book at Incognito hard enough that his head comes clean off.

Nobody bullies Steve Smith anymore. Pop a guy in the soup coolers during a film session for making fun of you, word gets around.

Have any of you put the cheetoh bag down long enough to play organized ball? Rookie hazing has been going on since they filled Jay Berwanger's leather helmet with a healthy handful of Burma Shave. Granted, I was just a punter and didn't get the level of hazing that the lineman did to each other, but I saw my share.

If it were up to some of you, Ralphie in A Christmas Story would have run crying to his teacher instead of laying some jabs on the bully. No wonder kids these days don't stand up for themselves. They're taught it's better to hide behind your mothers skirt than growing some balls and ending the bullying yourself. Martin is just the latest example of the generation of daisies that permeate our landscape these days. Grow a pair, Nancy.

Who did Stevie pop in the cooler? The punter?

Pretty sure it wasn't Rae Carruth or Aaron Hernandez.

Stephen Davis

That was Michael Westbrook

Wasn't Stephen Davis punched at practice?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

People spending their time blaming Martin... "He should have just slugged them", "Have tougher skin", "Just avoid them", etc. Classic victim blaming. God help your kids if they ever get bullied, hurt, abused, and they turn to you for help.

Good for Martin for standing up for himself in the great American way- through lawyers. The team ignores his pleas for help? Meet me in the courtroom. Martin can do 10x the damage here without throwing a single punch. So actually, he IS fighting back. I hope they throw the book at Incognito hard enough that his head comes clean off.

Nobody bullies Steve Smith anymore. Pop a guy in the soup coolers during a film session for making fun of you, word gets around.

Have any of you put the cheetoh bag down long enough to play organized ball? Rookie hazing has been going on since they filled Jay Berwanger's leather helmet with a healthy handful of Burma Shave. Granted, I was just a punter and didn't get the level of hazing that the lineman did to each other, but I saw my share.

If it were up to some of you, Ralphie in A Christmas Story would have run crying to his teacher instead of laying some jabs on the bully. No wonder kids these days don't stand up for themselves. They're taught it's better to hide behind your mothers skirt than growing some balls and ending the bullying yourself. Martin is just the latest example of the generation of daisies that permeate our landscape these days. Grow a pair, Nancy.

Who did Stevie pop in the cooler? The punter?

Pretty sure it wasn't Rae Carruth or Aaron Hernandez.

Stephen Davis

That was Michael Westbrook

Wasn't Stephen Davis punched at practice?

By Michael Westbrook. Repeatedly. Badly beaten.

 

[Da Guru]

Am i the only one who doesn't think the texts are as bad as i was expecting given the huge whirlwind on espn etc? Maybe somethings wrong with me but i just don't see the threats. Taken in a vacuum they seem bad but put together with the pictures together, the birthday well wishes, the shout outs etc, it seems like he was busting his balls. Overdone yes, very immature yes but im not seeing the omg here.

When I heard the first report I thought it was like a serious death threat and racial slur. After reading the text it sounds like my friends busting each other balls when we were that age. Like your busting your little brothers balls. Many NFL players talk like this as a show of affection..that you care and you are part of the family. Like prison and gang rules.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

People spending their time blaming Martin... "He should have just slugged them", "Have tougher skin", "Just avoid them", etc. Classic victim blaming. God help your kids if they ever get bullied, hurt, abused, and they turn to you for help.

Good for Martin for standing up for himself in the great American way- through lawyers. The team ignores his pleas for help? Meet me in the courtroom. Martin can do 10x the damage here without throwing a single punch. So actually, he IS fighting back. I hope they throw the book at Incognito hard enough that his head comes clean off.

Nobody bullies Steve Smith anymore. Pop a guy in the soup coolers during a film session for making fun of you, word gets around.Have any of you put the cheetoh bag down long enough to play organized ball? Rookie hazing has been going on since they filled Jay Berwanger's leather helmet with a healthy handful of Burma Shave. Granted, I was just a punter and didn't get the level of hazing that the lineman did to each other, but I saw my share.

If it were up to some of you, Ralphie in A Christmas Story would have run crying to his teacher instead of laying some jabs on the bully. No wonder kids these days don't stand up for themselves. They're taught it's better to hide behind your mothers skirt than growing some balls and ending the bullying yourself. Martin is just the latest example of the generation of daisies that permeate our landscape these days. Grow a pair, Nancy.

Who did Stevie pop in the cooler? The punter?

Pretty sure it wasn't Rae Carruth or Aaron Hernandez.

Stephen Davis

That was Michael Westbrook

Wasn't Stephen Davis punched at practice?

By Michael Westbrook. Repeatedly. Badly beaten.

Steve Smith attacked Anthony Bright in the film room (and got arrested for it), and later punched Ken Lucas on the practice field (and got suspended for two games).

 

[fatness]

Incognito's dad lighting up another message board, under the name "mommabilly": http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?79050-Jonathan-Martin-told-Philbin-about-his-issues-back-in-Spring/page13

 

[KCitons]

People spending their time blaming Martin... "He should have just slugged them", "Have tougher skin", "Just avoid them", etc. Classic victim blaming. God help your kids if they ever get bullied, hurt, abused, and they turn to you for help.

Good for Martin for standing up for himself in the great American way- through lawyers. The team ignores his pleas for help? Meet me in the courtroom. Martin can do 10x the damage here without throwing a single punch. So actually, he IS fighting back. I hope they throw the book at Incognito hard enough that his head comes clean off.

Nobody bullies Steve Smith anymore. Pop a guy in the soup coolers during a film session for making fun of you, word gets around.

Have any of you put the cheetoh bag down long enough to play organized ball? Rookie hazing has been going on since they filled Jay Berwanger's leather helmet with a healthy handful of Burma Shave. Granted, I was just a punter and didn't get the level of hazing that the lineman did to each other, but I saw my share.

If it were up to some of you, Ralphie in A Christmas Story would have run crying to his teacher instead of laying some jabs on the bully. No wonder kids these days don't stand up for themselves. They're taught it's better to hide behind your mothers skirt than growing some balls and ending the bullying yourself. Martin is just the latest example of the generation of daisies that permeate our landscape these days. Grow a pair, Nancy.

Who did Stevie pop in the cooler? The punter?

Pretty sure it wasn't Rae Carruth or Aaron Hernandez.

Stephen Davis

That was Michael Westbrook

Wasn't Stephen Davis punched at practice?

By Michael Westbrook. Repeatedly. Badly beaten.

Guessing they didn't carpool. Before or After.

 

[fatness]

Ross is apparently aware that everyone he deals with in Dolphins football leadership -- Philbin, Ireland, and executive vice president of football administration Dawn Aponte -- have agendas. That agenda is quite obviously keeping one's job.

And so, Ross understands if any of these folks were heading the internal review, their agendas might seep into that review. Ross instead wants a review that is free of self-defense by any of his employees. He wants the unvarnished truth of what is right or wrong within the Dolphins work place.

And the reason he wants it is key:

Jobs are indeed on the line.

Ross is prepared to use the review to make career decisions on various people within the organization if they are found wanting by the review. Ross is prepared to make changes. And that means more than just Richie Incognito or Jonathan Martin are in the crosshairs.

So this NFL review, requested at the highest levels by the Dolphins owner, has put everyone on notice.

Armando Salguero

 

[Premier]

Richie Incognito in a bar earlier this year (video).

seems like a reasonable guy, wonder why Martin didn't just stick up for himself

That my friends is called roid rage.

No. That's coke.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Dude, why do you insist over and over again in this thread on dragging Martin through the dirt? You just can't seem to help yourself I guess. You even posted rumors earlier about the guy's sexual orientation. Others have called you out on it but you still insist on doing it. Why don't you just accept the fact that your beloved Dolphins are a festering sore of an Organization and focus on how and why they allowed this type of thug atmosphere to pervade the clubhouse? Seriously.

Don't want to speak for MOP ... but I can understand having vitriol against the person perceived to have brought my team down, right/wrong be dam[n]ed. Felt that way about Gregg Williams at one time.

The guy who brought the team down was Incognito. To focus on the victim is at first strange, but then after it is done over and over, despite more evidence coming out that Martin probably did a good thing by exposing this thug-like behavior, it starts to resemble something almost sinister in nature. Read the entire thread and draw your own conclusion.

The only quotes we have from guys on the team have no issue with Incognito.

right. because if you really believed something else and said something bad about incognito... what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Bob Magaw]

Do we know if Martin tried to stand up to Incognito? Maybe he didn't do it physically, but tried to make it clear. I don't see Incognito taking constructive criticism well.

This would leave Martin feeling rather helpless. Didn't Rolando McClain come out this week and say he left the NFL because he was feeling like he wanted to kill someone?

just a thought.

the incognito not taking constructive criticism well was hilarious in the midst of a sad and sobering subject and the post of the thread.

 

[fatness]

New topic on a Dolphins board by the guy who uncovered the identity of Incognito's dad posting on that board (referenced earlier in this topic).

I know everybody and their brother has written a Martin/Incognito/Philbin thread, but my role in this has been sort of unique so I thought I would create my own thread.

This whole saga has moved on from it's initial stage and is now hurtling into it's second, in my view. The first was Incognito and Martin. What counts as "bullying"? What's normal for NFL locker rooms? Is there an investigation? Many defended Incognito initially and called on Martin to "man up." Incognito himself brayed like an ### but when it turned out Martin had proof and was willing to use it the fight was over. Incognito was over. Everyone -- or at least pretty much everyone -- recognized that abuse had taken place.

The next phase of this is going to be Philbin vs. Martin... with the question in this case centered around what Philbin knew and when. This press conference today was a recognition of that fact. Philbin was clear and specific about one thing and one thing only... he knew nothing about abuse until Sunday. And as soon as he found out he acted.

To me this stage separates into two separate subgroups of it's own. What did Philbin know? And what should he reasonably be expected to know?

And now that I've read the topic there's not much of worth in it besides the initial post, unless you think conspiracy theories and speculation about Martin being gay are of worth.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/397472130289250304

Incognito says Martin easiest to scare in Cin Mia program

Already posted but thanks.

Oops, missed it

Better to post it twice than not post it all. Keep 'em coming.

especially when it is like 18 pages and counting...

over/under on pages?

Probably 30+ b4 this story dies down...maybe I'm not shooting high enough.

 

[Slapdash]

New topic on a Dolphins board by the guy who uncovered the identity of Incognito's dad posting on that board (referenced earlier in this topic).

I know everybody and their brother has written a Martin/Incognito/Philbin thread, but my role in this has been sort of unique so I thought I would create my own thread.

This whole saga has moved on from it's initial stage and is now hurtling into it's second, in my view. The first was Incognito and Martin. What counts as "bullying"? What's normal for NFL locker rooms? Is there an investigation? Many defended Incognito initially and called on Martin to "man up." Incognito himself brayed like an ### but when it turned out Martin had proof and was willing to use it the fight was over. Incognito was over. Everyone -- or at least pretty much everyone -- recognized that abuse had taken place.

The next phase of this is going to be Philbin vs. Martin... with the question in this case centered around what Philbin knew and when. This press conference today was a recognition of that fact. Philbin was clear and specific about one thing and one thing only... he knew nothing about abuse until Sunday. And as soon as he found out he acted.

To me this stage separates into two separate subgroups of it's own. What did Philbin know? And what should he reasonably be expected to know?

And now that I've read the topic there's not much of worth in it besides the initial post, unless you think conspiracy theories and speculation about Martin being gay are of worth.

Tim alias on FinHeaven?