Dolphins negotiating with Long (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

Kinda throws a monkey wrench in a bunch of mock drafts, huh?

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[Jason Wood]

I haven't made many predictions this draft season, but Long to Miami was one of them. Just makes too much sense not to happen.

At least it's happening early enough in the process that all the "draftniks" can put out yet another mock draft and erase their prior projections from the tapestry of April football discussions.

 

[TheFanatic]

I haven't made many predictions this draft season, but Long to Miami was one of them. Just makes too much sense not to happen.At least it's happening early enough in the process that all the "draftniks" can put out yet another mock draft and erase their prior projections from the tapestry of April football discussions.

It's no guarantee that he is going there but makes it more likely that he is....

 

[fruity pebbles]

So the Dolphins are going to take one of the Longs or Dorsey. Isnt that pretty much a given?

 

[Jason Wood]

So the Dolphins are going to take one of the Longs or Dorsey. Isnt that pretty much a given?

Negotiating with Jake Long this early in the process? I'd say you can remove Chris and Glen from your sentence.

 

[fruity pebbles]

So the Dolphins are going to take one of the Longs or Dorsey. Isnt that pretty much a given?

Negotiating with Jake Long this early in the process? I'd say you can remove Chris and Glen from your sentence.

no, the article says that the Phins are going to negotiate with 3 players. Also heard the third was Gholston not Dorsey. Not unusual for a team to talk contract parameters with multiple players. Texans did the same with Mario and Reggie.

 

[Jason Wood]

So the Dolphins are going to take one of the Longs or Dorsey. Isnt that pretty much a given?

Negotiating with Jake Long this early in the process? I'd say you can remove Chris and Glen from your sentence.

no, the article says that the Phins are going to negotiate with 3 players. Also heard the third was Gholston not Dorsey. Not unusual for a team to talk contract parameters with multiple players. Texans did the same with Mario and Reggie.

True Difference being, I don't expect Jake will be silly enough to botch the negotiations.

 

[fruity pebbles]

from rotoworld:

In addition to Michigan OT Jake Long, the Dolphins are reportedly discussing a contract with Ohio State DE/OLB Vernon Gholston.

The talks began last week. No negotiations with Chris Long have taken place yet, but they still seem likely. Matt Ryan is believed to be out of the picture to go No. 1. The 'Fins reportedly "haven't even sniffed at" Darren McFadden. Apr. 10 - 10:49 am et

Source: South Florida Sun-Sentinel

 

[TheFanatic]

So the Dolphins are going to take one of the Longs or Dorsey. Isnt that pretty much a given?

Negotiating with Jake Long this early in the process? I'd say you can remove Chris and Glen from your sentence.

no, the article says that the Phins are going to negotiate with 3 players. Also heard the third was Gholston not Dorsey. Not unusual for a team to talk contract parameters with multiple players. Texans did the same with Mario and Reggie.

No it doesn't.

Dolphins in preliminary talks for Michigan's Long as No. 1 pick

NFL.com Wire Reports

Maybe the Miami Dolphins are finally tipping their hand.

The agents for former Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long were spotted at the Dolphins training complex on Tuesday, on hand for preliminary contract talks, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter. The Dolphins hold the first overall pick in April's NFL Draft.

The presence of his agents doesn't solidify that Long, the three-time Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year, will be the No. 1 pick. The Dolphins are thought to wish to negotiate contract parameters with a least three players prior to the draft. Defensive end Chris Long, formally of Virginia, and defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey (LSU) are believed to be the others.

Long is the first player to be contacted by the Dolphins.

The 6-foot-7, 315-pound Long is widely considered the top offensive lineman available in the draft and a top-10 selection. Long, who started 40 games during his college career, finished second in the voting for both the Lombardi Award and the Outland Trophy last season.

The negotiating with the other 2 is an assumption by the writer. Just because it us published doesn't mean it's true

 

[saintfool]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

 

[Slinger]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

That's a great approach if the Dolphins consider all 3 of the players to be equally valuable. It also gives them leverage if they secretely covet one player.

 

[BoltBacker]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

That's a great approach if the Dolphins consider all 3 of the players to be equally valuable. It also gives them leverage if they secretely covet one player.

It's the only approach. After the farce last year with Russell I would be shocked if any #1 pick isn't already signed, sealed and delivered by the day of the draft for the next decade.

 

[TheFanatic]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

That's a great approach if the Dolphins consider all 3 of the players to be equally valuable. It also gives them leverage if they secretely covet one player.

It's the only approach. After the farce last year with Russell I would be shocked if any #1 pick isn't already signed, sealed and delivered by the day of the draft for the next decade.

Absolutely. Unless of course Jake Long and his agent don't get greedy (yeah I know that's pretty much not a possibility with an Agent). Put a contract out with a $30 million signing bonus (less than Russel last year) and while all three of the agents will ##### and moan that Russel got more last year all the Phins say is, "the first one to sign gets the $30 mill and one of the other two is going to be the third pick at best if not worse than 1.3. One of you will sign the contract. Whomever does it first will be the 1.1 pick and get $30 million. The other two will immediately be getting less than $30 million so take that Russel numbers and stuff them up your ###!!!"

 

[=Smackdown=]

Tuna smoke screen.

I betcha the Falcons would love Jake Long blocking for their shiny new Turner.

Same can be said for the Rams & Chiefs.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Tuna smoke screen.

I betcha the Falcons would love Jake Long blocking for their shiny new Turner.

Same can be said for the Rams & Chiefs.

I wouldn't be dissapointed if the Rams took Jake Long at #2 if Chris Long goes #1. However, if Chris Long doesn't go to Miami and the Rams pass on Chris Long, I'll be pissed.

 

[MAC_32]

Tuna smoke screen.

True-ism, Tuna's been on record stating he believes you build your OLine later in the draft, not in the 1st round...and especially not with the #1 pick. The only way I see them considering Jake at all is if he agrees to a contract that is worth A LOT less than the others they talk with, which I do not believe is likely.Lets see if anyone takes the bait, if not Howie's boy or Dorsey will be a Dolphin.

 

[Gatorman]

sun sentinal is reporting that they are also talking with Gholston.

FYI.

 

[Chase Stuart]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

That's a great approach if the Dolphins consider all 3 of the players to be equally valuable. It also gives them leverage if they secretely covet one player.

It's the only approach. After the farce last year with Russell I would be shocked if any #1 pick isn't already signed, sealed and delivered by the day of the draft for the next decade.

Absolutely. Unless of course Jake Long and his agent don't get greedy (yeah I know that's pretty much not a possibility with an Agent). Put a contract out with a $30 million signing bonus (less than Russel last year) and while all three of the agents will ##### and moan that Russel got more last year all the Phins say is, "the first one to sign gets the $30 mill and one of the other two is going to be the third pick at best if not worse than 1.3. One of you will sign the contract. Whomever does it first will be the 1.1 pick and get $30 million. The other two will immediately be getting less than $30 million so take that Russel numbers and stuff them up your ###!!!"

That would work only if you could guarantee that one of them would sign the contract. And that's not really clear.I'd be surprised, although not shocked, if the #1 pick ends up with less than what Russell got. The cap jumped up quite a bit this year.

 

[Jason Wood]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

That's a great approach if the Dolphins consider all 3 of the players to be equally valuable. It also gives them leverage if they secretely covet one player.

It's the only approach. After the farce last year with Russell I would be shocked if any #1 pick isn't already signed, sealed and delivered by the day of the draft for the next decade.

Absolutely. Unless of course Jake Long and his agent don't get greedy (yeah I know that's pretty much not a possibility with an Agent). Put a contract out with a $30 million signing bonus (less than Russel last year) and while all three of the agents will ##### and moan that Russel got more last year all the Phins say is, "the first one to sign gets the $30 mill and one of the other two is going to be the third pick at best if not worse than 1.3. One of you will sign the contract. Whomever does it first will be the 1.1 pick and get $30 million. The other two will immediately be getting less than $30 million so take that Russel numbers and stuff them up your ###!!!"

That would work only if you could guarantee that one of them would sign the contract. And that's not really clear.I'd be surprised, although not shocked, if the #1 pick ends up with less than what Russell got. The cap jumped up quite a bit this year.

Absolutely. Given the increase in the cap this year, an agent would need a VERY convincing reason to justify signing for less GUARANTEED money than Russell got last year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Occasionally, non-QBs #1 picks sign for less than QB #1 picks in the prior year. Courtney Brown signed for less money and less guaranteed (although less years, too) than Couch did. Vick signed for more than anyone until Mario Williams. So it's not set in stone that the #1 this year makes more than the #1 last year.

 

[phillyphan07]

sun sentinal is reporting that they are also talking with Gholston.

FYI.

espn reporting the same http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3339368

 

[TheFanatic]

Tuna smoke screen.

True-ism, Tuna's been on record stating he believes you build your OLine later in the draft, not in the 1st round...and especially not with the #1 pick. The only way I see them considering Jake at all is if he agrees to a contract that is worth A LOT less than the others they talk with, which I do not believe is likely.Lets see if anyone takes the bait, if not Howie's boy or Dorsey will be a Dolphin.

I believe that Tuna was coaching the Jets when the Rams traded up to get the 1.1 and select Orlando Pace. So that would make sense...

 

[Jason Wood]

Occasionally, non-QBs #1 picks sign for less than QB #1 picks in the prior year. Courtney Brown signed for less money and less guaranteed (although less years, too) than Couch did. Vick signed for more than anyone until Mario Williams. So it's not set in stone that the #1 this year makes more than the #1 last year.

Most years don't have an 8% jump in the cap.

 

[kremenull]

Kinda throws a monkey wrench in a bunch of mock drafts, huh?

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Uhhhhhhh, No. Opening negotiations and being selected are not one and the same. Until the deal is signed and ratified, nothing can be taken for granted. Ask Reggie Bush about opening negotiations for the #1 selection....

 

[MAC_32]

sun sentinal is reporting that they are also talking with Gholston.FYI.

If he agrees to a cheap enough contract selecting him would not surprise me either. Gholston is the one most likely to fall out of the top 3, so talking down his price a bit may be easier because if the Fins pass on him he'll end up signing an equal or lesser contract at pick 4, 6, or 7.

 

[chris1969]

I haven't made many predictions this draft season, but Long to Miami was one of them. Just makes too much sense not to happen.At least it's happening early enough in the process that all the "draftniks" can put out yet another mock draft and erase their prior projections from the tapestry of April football discussions.

Actually this makes very little sense, Jake could possibly be a great LT given enough time, but he needs so much work on his pass blocking techniques and footwork, it's not gonna happen right away and will probably take a few years. He'd be a Pro-Bowl RT out of the box, but teams don't spend to first overall pick on a RT. Tuna does understand o-lineman pretty well and I think he has a pretty good idea of what Long can do. I think he's looking to get a contract commitment he use to negotiate with. Then he can get the guy he wants for cheaper.

 

[BoltBacker]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

That's a great approach if the Dolphins consider all 3 of the players to be equally valuable. It also gives them leverage if they secretely covet one player.

It's the only approach. After the farce last year with Russell I would be shocked if any #1 pick isn't already signed, sealed and delivered by the day of the draft for the next decade.

Absolutely. Unless of course Jake Long and his agent don't get greedy (yeah I know that's pretty much not a possibility with an Agent). Put a contract out with a $30 million signing bonus (less than Russel last year) and while all three of the agents will ##### and moan that Russel got more last year all the Phins say is, "the first one to sign gets the $30 mill and one of the other two is going to be the third pick at best if not worse than 1.3. One of you will sign the contract. Whomever does it first will be the 1.1 pick and get $30 million. The other two will immediately be getting less than $30 million so take that Russel numbers and stuff them up your ###!!!"

That would work only if you could guarantee that one of them would sign the contract. And that's not really clear.I'd be surprised, although not shocked, if the #1 pick ends up with less than what Russell got. The cap jumped up quite a bit this year.

Absolutely. Given the increase in the cap this year, an agent would need a VERY convincing reason to justify signing for less GUARANTEED money than Russell got last year.

The fact your client may get drafted 3rd-6th and make a whole lot less than Russell signed for would seem like a pretty convincing reason to me. Do you think the #2 pick in the draft(let's assume it's not a Ryan, a qb) will get Russell $? Seems like an agent that wasn't 100% sure where his client would get drafted would be wise to "settle" for Russell-type $ or maybe even less when you take into consideration the fact guys like Quin shoot down the boards for no real apparent reason. If there was a Peyton Manning/Mike Vick clear #1 pick in the draft, yeah I can see where you could demand more $ than Russell based on the salary cap going up but that's simply not the case this year and these players/agents will do themselves a disservice if they don't recognize that fact. I wasn't really saying the #1 pick would be signed before the draft as a cost-saving measure, more of a case that the rookie wouldn't stunt his development by missing as much time as Russell did by sitting out so long, but I'll admit that it's important to find out what the player(and agent) think he deserves before drafting him.

 

[Liquid Tension]

i heard/read something - maybe Peter King? - where it was possible that the Phins would talk to maybe their top 3 selections. They would draft whomever they could get the best deal with. If they are negotiating now, this would seem to support that scenario.

That's a great approach if the Dolphins consider all 3 of the players to be equally valuable. It also gives them leverage if they secretely covet one player.

It's the only approach. After the farce last year with Russell I would be shocked if any #1 pick isn't already signed, sealed and delivered by the day of the draft for the next decade.

Absolutely. Unless of course Jake Long and his agent don't get greedy (yeah I know that's pretty much not a possibility with an Agent). Put a contract out with a $30 million signing bonus (less than Russel last year) and while all three of the agents will ##### and moan that Russel got more last year all the Phins say is, "the first one to sign gets the $30 mill and one of the other two is going to be the third pick at best if not worse than 1.3. One of you will sign the contract. Whomever does it first will be the 1.1 pick and get $30 million. The other two will immediately be getting less than $30 million so take that Russel numbers and stuff them up your ###!!!"

That would work only if you could guarantee that one of them would sign the contract. And that's not really clear.I'd be surprised, although not shocked, if the #1 pick ends up with less than what Russell got. The cap jumped up quite a bit this year.

Absolutely. Given the increase in the cap this year, an agent would need a VERY convincing reason to justify signing for less GUARANTEED money than Russell got last year.

QB's do get more than other positions so I am not so sure that the contract would be higher (even with the cap rates). It was not a coincidence that NE took TE's with their 1st round picks for 2 years so that they didn't need to pay a lot for their 1st round pick...

 

[Lord of the Rings]

It would seem to me that a QB holding out of training camp would definitely result in 'stunted growth' for the QB and the offense, due to the fact that he's missing out on learning & calling plays, chemistry with WRs, etc. I know that playing OL in the NFL is a challenge (mentally) as well, but I wouldn't think that it would have near as devastating consequences to the player or team if an offensive linemen held out.

 

[TheFanatic]

Kinda throws a monkey wrench in a bunch of mock drafts, huh?

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Uhhhhhhh, No. Opening negotiations and being selected are not one and the same. Until the deal is signed and ratified, nothing can be taken for granted. Ask Reggie Bush about opening negotiations for the #1 selection....

Thanks for paying attention. Two posts after the one you quoted I pretty much said the exact same thing. It's no guarantee that he'll be there but it does up the odds that he will....