Dolphin's pursuit of a free agent QB... (1 Viewer)

[Lord of the Rings]

From the Miami Herald

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sport...ll/14043732.htm

According to multiple sources, the plan for the Dolphins hinges somewhat on the salary cap. If the cap is extended and approximately $10 million is added for this year, the Dolphins are expected to be an aggressive player for San Diego quarterback Drew Brees, who is set to be an unrestricted free agent.

Brees is expected to visit the Dolphins shortly after the start of free agency whether the cap is extended or not.

However, if the cap is not extended, there is a strong belief that Minnesota will strongly pursue Brees and then trade or cut quarterback Daunte Culpepper. The Dolphins would then pursue Culpepper.

The Vikings will have ample cap room to pursue Brees whether the cap is extended or not.

If the Dolphins don't get Brees or Culpepper, they also have expressed strong interest in Arizona quarterback Josh McCown and interest in Washington's Patrick Ramsey. McCown is set to be an unrestricted free agent. Ramsey could be traded or cut.

The Dolphins won't be in the market for only one quarterback but several this offseason. They want a starting-caliber player, a veteran backup to replace Frerotte and likely a young player they can groom for the future.

Under the right circumstance, the team could carry as many as four quarterbacks next season.

Among the veterans who might draw interest from Miami as a backup is former Steelers backup Tommy Maddox, who was released by the Super Bowl champions last week. Maddox is a great admirer of new Dolphins offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey from when Mularkey held the same job in Pittsburgh.

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So it appears from "multiple sources" that the Dolphins preference would be:

1) D. Brees

2) D. Culpepper

3) J. McCown

4) P. Ramsey

*Notable QBs that have been tossed around, that are absent from this list: A. Brooks, K. Collins, J. Kitna

Also interesting to note that they might go after a couple QBs in the free agent pool. So they would try and pick up one of the above 4 as their starter then go after a veteran backup like Maddox and still draft a QB.

Of course, all of this depends on their cap space.

 

[Boston]

Miami is not in a great cap situation so a move for a high end QB would probably limit what else they can do. Adding a QB like Brees would be a great addition for a team with a huge need at this position. The fact he is young makes this move even better. Yet, on the flipside the dirty little secret about Miami is their defense is aging very quickly. If they don't start addressing that area aggressively this could all end up being a case of taking one step forward and one step backwards.

 

[miphin]

Miami is not in a great cap situation so a move for a high end QB would probably limit what else they can do. Adding a QB like Brees would be a great addition for a team with a huge need at this position. The fact he is young makes this move even better. Yet, on the flipside the dirty little secret about Miami is their defense is aging very quickly. If they don't start addressing that area aggressively this could all end up being a case of taking one step forward and one step backwards.

Miami began addressing their D last season via the draft, Daniels, Roth, Crowder, and others. Miami's 2 biggest and most steadfast stars are aging (Thomas & Taylor), but don't be fooled into thinking that it means they are status quo.I expect Saban to draft some young talent again this season in the mid to later rounds like he did last year.

I suspect they will take a QB & some OL, but the rest should be D.

 

[Boston]

Miami is not in a great cap situation so a move for a high end QB would probably limit what else they can do.  Adding a QB like Brees would be a great addition for a team with a huge need at this position.  The fact he is young makes this move even better.  Yet, on the flipside the dirty little secret about Miami is their defense is aging very quickly.  If they don't start addressing that area aggressively this could all end up being a case of taking one step forward and one step backwards.

Miami began addressing their D last season via the draft, Daniels, Roth, Crowder, and others. Miami's 2 biggest and most steadfast stars are aging (Thomas & Taylor), but don't be fooled into thinking that it means they are status quo.I expect Saban to draft some young talent again this season in the mid to later rounds like he did last year.

I suspect they will take a QB & some OL, but the rest should be D.

By no means do I think they'll sit still. Saban knows what he is doing. My point is that the D has some real exposure and the core of it is aging quickly. They just cut a few guys like Seau, Tebucky and Madison but if you look at their roster you have players like Taylor, Thomas, Carter, Holliday, Traylor, Zgonina and Shulters who are all over 30. While there's no doubt this D will be redone I don't think it will happen overnight due to the mismanagement of the Wanny years (i.e. there's too much work to be done). Miami is on the right path but I strongly believe there's much more work to be done than many realize.

 

[Native]

Dolphins defense drafted four starting-caliber players on defense last year (including Crowder, Manny Wright and Daniels), They will likely spend another two-three high draft picks in this draft on defense. Throw in mid-range Defensive FA, and the Phins defense will have plenty of young guns to complement Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor - both of whom are still playing at an exceptiona level (especially Zach).

 

[Horses Mouth]

i'm a MIA homer and Brees fan. i like it.

 

[ooofffaaa]

As a Miami homer also there is NOTHING not to like about Drew Brees becoming the next QB for the Dolphins. Today could be Frerotte's last day as a Dolphin . . .

Dolphins | Wednesday could be Frerotte's last day in Miami

Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:52:51 -0800

Jason Cole and Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, report the

Miami Dolphins tentatively plan to release QB Gus Frerotte Wednesday, March 8, if there is no extension of the collective bargaining agreement between the players and the owners and free agency is reached. An extension or a new CBA could extend Frerotte's days in Miami but by no means guarantee he'll be with the team for the long term.

Expect Saban to pounce quickly on the Drew Brees front !!!

 

[Dave Stauff]

Didn't Miami acquire Lemon from SD last year to be their "developmental" QB? Does this article suggest the experiment is over and that Lemon is no longer seen as worth developing, at least by Miami? Inquiring dynasty minds want to know . . .

 

[Gatorman]

Miami is not in a great cap situation so a move for a high end QB would probably limit what else they can do. Adding a QB like Brees would be a great addition for a team with a huge need at this position. The fact he is young makes this move even better. Yet, on the flipside the dirty little secret about Miami is their defense is aging very quickly. If they don't start addressing that area aggressively this could all end up being a case of taking one step forward and one step backwards.

Depends on which cap situation you are looking at. With no deal today, the dolphins are in a bad spot. With a deal today, the dolphins will be 10 mil under the cap, and able to restructure Jason Taylor's contract for another 8 million or so of cap relief.Brees to Miami makes so much sense that it probably won't happen.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Didn't Miami acquire Lemon from SD last year to be their "developmental" QB? Does this article suggest the experiment is over and that Lemon is no longer seen as worth developing, at least by Miami? Inquiring dynasty minds want to know . . .

Lemon is still a long term project - he's not ready to take the reins yet. I wouldnt diminish your view of him based on this, he's still a nice deep sleeper in dynasty leagues.

 

[Native]

Does Brees partially torn-rotator cuff worry anyone else? This was NOT reported in week 17, and the truth only came to light earlier this week after the surgery was completed. That is itself is dodgy. A torn rotator-cuff (even partially torn) is a much more severe injury than a torn labrum (what was iniitally reported). Rotator-cuff injuries can be a killer for a QB's career.

Just wondering what everybody thinks.

 

[Gatorman]

Does Brees partially torn-rotator cuff worry anyone else? This was NOT reported in week 17, and the truth only came to light earlier this week after the surgery was completed. That is itself is dodgy. A torn rotator-cuff (even partially torn) is a much more severe injury than a torn labrum (what was iniitally reported). Rotator-cuff injuries can be a killer for a QB's career.

Just wondering what everybody thinks.

He's ahead of schedule and it should lower his price a little since he may not be able to throw. SD offerred a 3 million dollar salary with no signing bonus. Any team that can be "creative" can get him for a few mil this year with a signing bonus and then a roster bonus next year or whatever that would require an adjustment or release of the player.I think this is why Miami is talking about carrying 4 QBs. If Brees and C pep are their top 2, they may need to start the season with someone else.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Does Brees partially torn-rotator cuff worry anyone else? This was NOT reported in week 17, and the truth only came to light earlier this week after the surgery was completed. That is itself is dodgy. A torn rotator-cuff (even partially torn) is a much more severe injury than a torn labrum (what was iniitally reported). Rotator-cuff injuries can be a killer for a QB's career.

Just wondering what everybody thinks.

Im absolutely worried about it. Brees had below average arm strength to begin with. Take a little zip off his throws and he could be rendered a very mortal QB. The history of QBs coming back from labrum injuries is not great, and it doesnt get better when you add a rotator cuff tear.

 

[Kirby]

Miami is not in a great cap situation so a move for a high end QB would probably limit what else they can do.  Adding a QB like Brees would be a great addition for a team with a huge need at this position.  The fact he is young makes this move even better.  Yet, on the flipside the dirty little secret about Miami is their defense is aging very quickly.  If they don't start addressing that area aggressively this could all end up being a case of taking one step forward and one step backwards.

Depends on which cap situation you are looking at. With no deal today, the dolphins are in a bad spot. With a deal today, the dolphins will be 10 mil under the cap, and able to restructure Jason Taylor's contract for another 8 million or so of cap relief.Brees to Miami makes so much sense that it probably won't happen.

Plus dropping Gus will save a bunch.

 

[SuperJohn96]

LOL @ Minny/C-Pep being involved in where Brees ends up...

Last year in the SFL, my three QBs were Culpepper, Brad Johnson and Gus Frerotte.

After Daunte went down I won the championship with Johnson and Frerotte...

Due to performance clauses I let go of both Frerotte AND Johnson, so I traded 2007 draft picks for Drew Brees...

Now I STILL might end up with the Minny and Miami QBs after all that...LMAO...

Just so long as ONE of them ends up a Viking.

 

[mbuehner]

they also have expressed strong interest in Arizona quarterback Josh McCown and interest in Washington's Patrick Ramsey. McCown is set to be an unrestricted free agent. Ramsey could be traded or cut.

Jay Fielder isnt available? If you're looking for a decidedly mediocre QB you might as well go with one that knows his way around the building.

 

[BigTex]

03/08/06 10:43 AMTHE NEWSThe Redskins won't release quarterback Patrick Ramsey on Wednesday, the Washington Times reported. The team is still attempting to trade the former first-round pick, and interested parties include the Bears, Jets, Dolphins and Raiders.

 

[ViG]

Does Brees partially torn-rotator cuff worry anyone else? This was NOT reported in week 17, and the truth only came to light earlier this week after the surgery was completed. That is itself is dodgy. A torn rotator-cuff (even partially torn) is a much more severe injury than a torn labrum (what was iniitally reported). Rotator-cuff injuries can be a killer for a QB's career.

Just wondering what everybody thinks.

Im absolutely worried about it. Brees had below average arm strength to begin with. Take a little zip off his throws and he could be rendered a very mortal QB. The history of QBs coming back from labrum injuries is not great, and it doesnt get better when you add a rotator cuff tear.

The arm strength thing is talked about too much. Drew Brees is a great QB and would excel on any team as he has already shown. The injury thing - I'll take your word for it and if that is the case then they have to think long and hard about it. The D needs some rework too due to age and cap issues.If the injury is not a worry then I would spend to get Brees. I'm not a Culpepper fan so I wouldn't go for him - I'd rather try and trade up and draft someone. That would be hard though as who would they trade to go up in the first round...?

 

[Z-Dog]

As Chad Pennington demonstrated, shoulder injuries may not only diminish your arm, but reduce your consistency when it comes to accuracy. I think Brees is a VERY risky signing.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Does Brees partially torn-rotator cuff worry anyone else? This was NOT reported in week 17, and the truth only came to light earlier this week after the surgery was completed. That is itself is dodgy. A torn rotator-cuff (even partially torn) is a much more severe injury than a torn labrum (what was iniitally reported). Rotator-cuff injuries can be a killer for a QB's career.

Just wondering what everybody thinks.

He's ahead of schedule and it should lower his price a little since he may not be able to throw. SD offerred a 3 million dollar salary with no signing bonus. Any team that can be "creative" can get him for a few mil this year with a signing bonus and then a roster bonus next year or whatever that would require an adjustment or release of the player.I think this is why Miami is talking about carrying 4 QBs. If Brees and C pep are their top 2, they may need to start the season with someone else.

This makes sense. Signing Brees should prove to be cheaper than going after Culpepper, assuming that the Vikings aren't going to just cut CPepp. If they reach for him it would require giving up draft picks, etc. which I'm not too sure Saban is willing to do.Both Brees and CPepp have injury concerns, which hopefully drives their price down a bit. Signing another veteran backup as a "temp" and as insurance would seem to be prudent if they go this route.

 

[jonessed]

Does Brees partially torn-rotator cuff worry anyone else? This was NOT reported in week 17, and the truth only came to light earlier this week after the surgery was completed. That is itself is dodgy. A torn rotator-cuff (even partially torn) is a much more severe injury than a torn labrum (what was iniitally reported). Rotator-cuff injuries can be a killer for a QB's career.

Just wondering what everybody thinks.

Im absolutely worried about it. Brees had below average arm strength to begin with. Take a little zip off his throws and he could be rendered a very mortal QB. The history of QBs coming back from labrum injuries is not great, and it doesnt get better when you add a rotator cuff tear.

The arm strength thing is talked about too much. Drew Brees is a great QB and would excel on any team as he has already shown. The injury thing - I'll take your word for it and if that is the case then they have to think long and hard about it. The D needs some rework too due to age and cap issues.

Brees IS a great QB, but his arm strength is still a valid concern. He does not throw the long ball at all well which shortens the field for opposing backfields. There is no way to know if the rotator cuff injury will hinder that even more until after he is signed. All we know is that he is definitely going to be more prone to reinjury which should be a concern in of itself. I like the guy. He's very accurate, makes smart decisions, has a great work ethic, and is a valued team leader, but his lack of arm strength is obvious if you watch the Chargers as much as I do. He consistently underthrows receivers on long routes.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

With the bump in the salary cap, the Dolphins seem to be in position to land whichever QB they would like. Still looks like Brees is the first option, especially since his would be an unrestricted free agent. Rumors keep circulating about Ramsey to the Jets, so he might be out of the picture.

I would not be surprised if they make a strong push to sign Brees right away when free agency opens, so that they could begin looking at other positions. :fingerscrossed:

 

[miphin]

I can see them signing Brees as well, also with the cap in place does it mean that they will now keep Ferrotte as well?

I thought I heard that somewhere? He will make a solid #2.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I can see them signing Brees as well, also with the cap in place does it mean that they will now keep Ferrotte as well?

I thought I heard that somewhere? He will make a solid #2.

Frerrotte is a goner that's played his last game as a Dolphin.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Update from the Miami Herald

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/14064242.htm

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QB bidding grows intense

Deals for Daunte Culpepper and Drew Brees are apparently close to fruition, but the Dolphins' role in either deal is apparently unknown.

BY JASON COLE

jcole@MiamiHerald.com

The NFL's quarterback merry-go-round appeared to hit the accelerator Thursday as free agency neared with Minnesota appearing to have a deal in place to trade Daunte Culpepper and San Diego's Drew Brees apparently closing in on a deal.

But the question was whether the Dolphins were the destination for either former Pro Bowl player.

A Minneapolis TV station reported Thursday night that the Dolphins are the likely destination for Culpepper. However, a source indicated that Oakland might be making the strong push for Culpepper.

A high-ranking Dolphins source denied that Miami had worked out a deal for Culpepper, although he admitted that there had been extensive talks initiated by the Vikings.

Minnesota has grown weary of Culpepper's offseason demands, such as asking for more money and, on Wednesday, asking for a trade or release. According to multiple reports, the Vikings decided Thursday to part company with Culpepper as soon as possible.

The Vikings have also talked with Oakland, Baltimore and Arizona about Culpepper. NFL.com reported Thursday afternoon that a deal for Culpepper had been set, but didn't name the team and said Oakland was deciding whether to match the offer.

As for Brees, an NFL source said New Orleans has stepped forward as the strongest contender for his services. The Saints, Dolphins and Detroit have reportedly been the strongest suitors to date, but the Saints have guaranteed more money than the other two teams.

All three are still considered to be in the running, but the NFL source said the Saints appeared to be the strongest.

''From what I know right now, it's set where he's going, and it's not Miami,'' the source said.

Where that leaves the Dolphins is in a potentially problematic situation. If they get neither Culpepper nor Brees, the Dolphins are expected to go after either Patrick Ramsey of Washington in a trade or approach Arizona's Josh McCown.

Ramsey has visited the New York Jets, which has already made a trade offer to the Redskins and a contract offer to Ramsey. McCown has a number of teams interested in him.

In the meantime, the Dolphins have not released quarterback Gus Frerotte, their starter from last season.

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Just pure speculation on the Herald's part, but interesting nonetheless.

CPepp gone...

Brees gone...

Ramsey gone...

Could the Dolphins be sitting at the #16 spot in the NFL Draft without having signed or traded for a starting QB, and Leinart, Young, and Cutler off the board? Talking about a disaster.

 

[kaso]

Could the Dolphins be sitting at the #16 spot in the NFL Draft without having signed or traded for a starting QB, and Leinart, Young, and Cutler off the board? Talking about a disaster.

I would LOVE to see that happen.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Could the Dolphins be sitting at the #16 spot in the NFL Draft without having signed or traded for a starting QB, and Leinart, Young, and Cutler off the board?  Talking about a disaster.

I would LOVE to see that happen.

Aaah . . . jealous Raider fans !!!A lovely sight.

 

[HeirCoryell]

CPepp gone...

Brees gone...

Ramsey gone...

Could the Dolphins be sitting at the #16 spot in the NFL Draft without having signed or traded for a starting QB, and Leinart, Young, and Cutler off the board? Talking about a disaster.

With The Vikings right behind them at #17, it would be very interesting to see who blinks first and trades up high enough to get Cutler.

 

[Gatorman]

Could the Dolphins be sitting at the #16 spot in the NFL Draft without having signed or traded for a starting QB, and Leinart, Young, and Cutler off the board? Talking about a disaster.

In nick we trust.If that happens then Miami keeps gus, grabs another mid tier guy, and then drafts someone. There are plenty of nice "developmental" Qbs out there in the draft.

Please let's not hinge the success of the dolphin season on a guy with a reconstructed throwing arm, one on one leg, and another who couldn't beat out mark brunell.

While I like the idea of Brees in Aqua, I do not think we should overpay for someone who might be damaged goods (Pennington, anyone?)

Same goes for culpepper + the fact that he may not be able to play until week 8!

As for Ramsey, meh.

I'd rather them keep gus, draft eric winston if Cutler is gone, and then use a 2 or a 3 to get a guy like Brodie Croyle or whomever.

Nick has the right plan in place. This Miami team can win with Gus as the starter.

 

[FinHead]

Could the Dolphins be sitting at the #16 spot in the NFL Draft without having signed or traded for a starting QB, and Leinart, Young, and Cutler off the board? Talking about a disaster.

In nick we trust.If that happens then Miami keeps gus, grabs another mid tier guy, and then drafts someone. There are plenty of nice "developmental" Qbs out there in the draft.

Please let's not hinge the success of the dolphin season on a guy with a reconstructed throwing arm, one on one leg, and another who couldn't beat out mark brunell.

While I like the idea of Brees in Aqua, I do not think we should overpay for someone who might be damaged goods (Pennington, anyone?)

Same goes for culpepper + the fact that he may not be able to play until week 8!

As for Ramsey, meh.

I'd rather them keep gus, draft eric winston if Cutler is gone, and then use a 2 or a 3 to get a guy like Brodie Croyle or whomever.

Nick has the right plan in place. This Miami team can win with Gus as the starter.

I'd personally like Nick to take a long look at Matt Schaub, before paying too much for Brees or Culpepper.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Could the Dolphins be sitting at the #16 spot in the NFL Draft without having signed or traded for a starting QB, and Leinart, Young, and Cutler off the board?  Talking about a disaster.

In nick we trust.If that happens then Miami keeps gus, grabs another mid tier guy, and then drafts someone. There are plenty of nice "developmental" Qbs out there in the draft.

Please let's not hinge the success of the dolphin season on a guy with a reconstructed throwing arm, one on one leg, and another who couldn't beat out mark brunell.

While I like the idea of Brees in Aqua, I do not think we should overpay for someone who might be damaged goods (Pennington, anyone?)

Same goes for culpepper + the fact that he may not be able to play until week 8!

As for Ramsey, meh.

I'd rather them keep gus, draft eric winston if Cutler is gone, and then use a 2 or a 3 to get a guy like Brodie Croyle or whomever.

Nick has the right plan in place. This Miami team can win with Gus as the starter.

Couple things:1) Saban doesn't seem to be giving Frerotte a vote of confidence by letting him dangle on the threshhold of free agency.

2) I'm willing to trust Saban's judgment, no questions asked. But I wonder how big the window of opportunity is for us right now. Nick is retooling the defense, but we can't expect Thomas and Taylor to be around much longer. What about Chambers? McMichael? Are we looking at 2-3 years here? If so, then we're asking a young QB such as Coyle to learn from Frerotte for a couple years?

3) Patience is the key. I agree with you that we shouldn't just throw money at Brees or Culpepper just to have a good starting QB (with question marks), but I get a little nervous thinking about Frerotte as our starter next year.

 

[Gatorman]

3) Patience is the key. I agree with you that we shouldn't just throw money at Brees or Culpepper just to have a good starting QB (with question marks), but I get a little nervous thinking about Frerotte as our starter next year.

Don't be. Gus at 4 million is the problem here, not gus himself. If you can get brees at 4-5 mil(or a bit more), or culpepper at 4-5 (or a bit more) mil then you have upgraded the position for the future, but C pep may not be ready to go this year...then what?Gus did fine in the last 8 games, and while he still throws the occasional bad pass, a better line will be the best thing for any QB here in Miami. If there is value here at QB, great. If not then keep gus and grab someone. If the teams ahead of Miami who are vying for Qbs spend their money on them in FA, the better a chance that one of the big 3 fall to us. If not Coyle or some other gu could be the cheaper alternative while we get a LT that can start for us for the next 10 years.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Looks like Brees is definitely Saban's top priority. Talking about showing initiative. Saban cuts New Orleans off at the pass. If this doesn't say to Brees "Youdaman!" then I don't know what would. I suspect, having been rejected by San Diego management, it must feel good to be wanted.

from the Sun-Sentinel

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-dol...la-sports-front

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The Dolphins couldn't wait for San Diego quarterback Drew Brees to come to them on a free-agent visit. A source said Dolphins coach Nick Saban and General Manager Randy Mueller traveled to Birmingham, Ala. on Saturday morning to meet with Brees, who was scheduled to travel today to New Orleans. A private charter airplane registered to Dolphins owner H. Wayne Huizenga arrived in Birmingham from Fort Lauderdale this morning.

Although he was scheduled to meet with the Dolphins on Sunday, it's believed Saban and Mueller were concerned that he might cancel the trip and sign with New Orleans after meeting with Saints officials. A Dolphins spokesman wasn't immediately available for comment.

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[Horses Mouth]

Huizenga style baby! send up the jet and bring him down. it's a beautiful day here in S. Florida - 78 degrees. stick him down in South Beach for a meeting with all the hot chicks cruising around and let him know life ain't too shabby down here. take the deal!

 

[NYRAGE]

Huizenga style baby! send up the jet and bring him down. it's a beautiful day here in S. Florida - 78 degrees. stick him down in South Beach for a meeting with all the hot chicks cruising around and let him know life ain't too shabby down here. take the deal!

He won't sign with Miami. The sun is not good for that thing on his face.

 

[Reaper]

Huizenga style baby!  send up the jet and bring him down.  it's a beautiful day here in S. Florida - 78 degrees.  stick him down in South Beach for a meeting with all the hot chicks cruising around and let him know life ain't too shabby down here.  take the deal! 

He won't sign with Miami. The sun is not good for that thing on his face.

As a Jet fan, I don't mind Brees in Miami - Questionable shoulder, not a strong arm to begin with.

Welcome to Pennyland.

 

[jonessed]

3)  Patience is the key. I agree with you that we shouldn't just throw money at Brees or Culpepper just to have a good starting QB (with question marks), but I get a little nervous thinking about Frerotte as our starter next year.

Don't be. Gus at 4 million is the problem here, not gus himself. If you can get brees at 4-5 mil(or a bit more), or culpepper at 4-5 (or a bit more) mil then you have upgraded the position for the future, but C pep may not be ready to go this year...then what?Gus did fine in the last 8 games, and while he still throws the occasional bad pass, a better line will be the best thing for any QB here in Miami. If there is value here at QB, great. If not then keep gus and grab someone. If the teams ahead of Miami who are vying for Qbs spend their money on them in FA, the better a chance that one of the big 3 fall to us. If not Coyle or some other gu could be the cheaper alternative while we get a LT that can start for us for the next 10 years.

San Diego's offer stood to give Brees $22.5 MM over the first two years assuming he took 75% of the snaps. The problem is the guaranteed portion. He is looking for *a lot* of money. 4-5 million is not even in the ballpark. He is looking for double that.

 

[cstu]

Huizenga style baby! send up the jet and bring him down. it's a beautiful day here in S. Florida - 78 degrees. stick him down in South Beach for a meeting with all the hot chicks cruising around and let him know life ain't too shabby down here. take the deal!

He won't sign with Miami. The sun is not good for that thing on his face.

As a Jet fan, I don't mind Brees in Miami - Questionable shoulder, not a strong arm to begin with. Welcome to Pennyland.

Won't the Jets/Dolphins games be thrilling to watch...

 

[Gatorman]

3)  Patience is the key. I agree with you that we shouldn't just throw money at Brees or Culpepper just to have a good starting QB (with question marks), but I get a little nervous thinking about Frerotte as our starter next year.

Don't be. Gus at 4 million is the problem here, not gus himself. If you can get brees at 4-5 mil(or a bit more), or culpepper at 4-5 (or a bit more) mil then you have upgraded the position for the future, but C pep may not be ready to go this year...then what?Gus did fine in the last 8 games, and while he still throws the occasional bad pass, a better line will be the best thing for any QB here in Miami. If there is value here at QB, great. If not then keep gus and grab someone. If the teams ahead of Miami who are vying for Qbs spend their money on them in FA, the better a chance that one of the big 3 fall to us. If not Coyle or some other gu could be the cheaper alternative while we get a LT that can start for us for the next 10 years.

San Diego's offer stood to give Brees $22.5 MM over the first two years assuming he took 75% of the snaps. The problem is the guaranteed portion. He is looking for *a lot* of money. 4-5 million is not even in the ballpark. He is looking for double that.

THERE WAS NO GUARANTEED PORTION! That makes all the difference

 

[jonessed]

3)  Patience is the key. I agree with you that we shouldn't just throw money at Brees or Culpepper just to have a good starting QB (with question marks), but I get a little nervous thinking about Frerotte as our starter next year.

Don't be. Gus at 4 million is the problem here, not gus himself. If you can get brees at 4-5 mil(or a bit more), or culpepper at 4-5 (or a bit more) mil then you have upgraded the position for the future, but C pep may not be ready to go this year...then what?Gus did fine in the last 8 games, and while he still throws the occasional bad pass, a better line will be the best thing for any QB here in Miami. If there is value here at QB, great. If not then keep gus and grab someone. If the teams ahead of Miami who are vying for Qbs spend their money on them in FA, the better a chance that one of the big 3 fall to us. If not Coyle or some other gu could be the cheaper alternative while we get a LT that can start for us for the next 10 years.

San Diego's offer stood to give Brees $22.5 MM over the first two years assuming he took 75% of the snaps. The problem is the guaranteed portion. He is looking for *a lot* of money. 4-5 million is not even in the ballpark. He is looking for double that.

THERE WAS NO GUARANTEED PORTION! That makes all the difference

There was $2MM and they said they were willing to work up. Condon said he will not even talk to anyone offerring under $8MM in guaranteed money for the first year. There is no need to exaggerate. Let's try and stick to the facts.