Donald Brown (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Lynch is Beast Mode.Brown is Weak Mode.

So true.

 

[KeeferMan]

I couldn't find a Delone Carter thread, and this didn't seem relevant enough for it's own thread, but as a Delone Carter owner I'm curious--does anyone know when/how he broke his thumb? I tried to look into it but couldn't determine.

I guess I was kind of hoping it was during the season when he developed fumblitis. Long shot I know...

 

[DoubleG]

I couldn't find a Delone Carter thread, and this didn't seem relevant enough for it's own thread, but as a Delone Carter owner I'm curious--does anyone know when/how he broke his thumb? I tried to look into it but couldn't determine.I guess I was kind of hoping it was during the season when he developed fumblitis. Long shot I know...

I think he tripped racing the family turtle...but I could be wrong.

 

[KeeferMan]

I couldn't find a Delone Carter thread, and this didn't seem relevant enough for it's own thread, but as a Delone Carter owner I'm curious--does anyone know when/how he broke his thumb? I tried to look into it but couldn't determine.I guess I was kind of hoping it was during the season when he developed fumblitis. Long shot I know...

I think he tripped racing the family turtle...but I could be wrong.

Ooh, zinger!I went back and looked at some stuff to see if he really is that slow. Turns out that would be one fast reptile.He had a respectable 40 at the combine for a bigger back (4.56). In the more important change of direction drills he actually did pretty well. He was better than Vereen and Ryan Williams in the 3-cone and surprisingly was fourth quickest in the 20-yard shuttle, besting those two again plus the likes of "speedsters" DeMarco Murray and Dion Lewis.I'll see if I can get an answer on twitter.

 

[az_prof]

I couldn't find a Delone Carter thread, and this didn't seem relevant enough for it's own thread, but as a Delone Carter owner I'm curious--does anyone know when/how he broke his thumb? I tried to look into it but couldn't determine.I guess I was kind of hoping it was during the season when he developed fumblitis. Long shot I know...

I think he tripped racing the family turtle...but I could be wrong.

Ooh, zinger!I went back and looked at some stuff to see if he really is that slow. Turns out that would be one fast reptile.He had a respectable 40 at the combine for a bigger back (4.56). In the more important change of direction drills he actually did pretty well. He was better than Vereen and Ryan Williams in the 3-cone and surprisingly was fourth quickest in the 20-yard shuttle, besting those two again plus the likes of "speedsters" DeMarco Murray and Dion Lewis.I'll see if I can get an answer on twitter.

4.56 is marginal. It isn't very fast. It IS within the range of where a guy can make it as a rb in the NFL, but it is on the slow side.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I couldn't find a Delone Carter thread, and this didn't seem relevant enough for it's own thread, but as a Delone Carter owner I'm curious--does anyone know when/how he broke his thumb? I tried to look into it but couldn't determine.I guess I was kind of hoping it was during the season when he developed fumblitis. Long shot I know...

I think he tripped racing the family turtle...but I could be wrong.

Ooh, zinger!I went back and looked at some stuff to see if he really is that slow. Turns out that would be one fast reptile.He had a respectable 40 at the combine for a bigger back (4.56). In the more important change of direction drills he actually did pretty well. He was better than Vereen and Ryan Williams in the 3-cone and surprisingly was fourth quickest in the 20-yard shuttle, besting those two again plus the likes of "speedsters" DeMarco Murray and Dion Lewis.I'll see if I can get an answer on twitter.

Keef, on the NFL field last year he was the very definition of slow.And Im a person who has never wanted anything to do with Donald Brown.

 

[zamboni]

Even if Brown and Carter do some splitting of carries, Brown's improved pass protection, as well as his receiving skills are likely going to get him a lot of touches in passing situations.

And given that this team is rebuilding and wants to protect Luck at all costs, there will be a lot of passing situations, no doubt.

 

[mjr]

Even if Brown and Carter do some splitting of carries, Brown's improved pass protection, as well as his receiving skills are likely going to get him a lot of touches in passing situations.And given that this team is rebuilding and wants to protect Luck at all costs, there will be a lot of passing situations, no doubt.

Actually, I've read on several occasions that the staff doesn't want to put too much on Luck's shoulders right away, so they're planning a much more balanced offensive game, which means more running plays than the norm for Indy. Last year they only had 382 rushing attempts (avg of 23.9 per game), which put their ranking at 29th in the league (ahead of only Tennessee, Detroit and Tampa). They ranked 21st in passing without Peyton at 534 attempts (avg of 33.4 per game). By comparison, they threw 679 times with Peyton in 2010 (avg 42.4) and ran 393 times (avg 24.6). Obviously they had a hard time sustaining drives in 2011(3 different QBs and RB injuries [Addai]), which lead to a big decrease in offensive plays over the course of the season. Though I don't expect a lot of wins for Indy this year, I believe they'll fair much better in keeping those drives alive for a little longer. They probably wont average 65-70 plays a game like they did with Peyton, but they should do better than the average of 55 last year. 60 seems like a reasonable number, with 30 pass and 30 run being the perfectly balanced offense. I think the averages will be more to the tune of 33 pass and 27 run. That'll put Luck at 528 attempts (which would rank Indy at about 20th in the league for pass attempts) and give the RBs 432 carries to split up (ranking them around 19th in the league for rushing attempts). If Brown continues to average the 15 rushing attempts/game like he was the later half of 2011, that'll give him around 240 for the year. Delone gets around 7 or 8 a game for 125 and the remaining 60-70 carries would go to other RBs on the roster and Luck. Take away Brown's 80 yard run and he averaged 4.3 per carry. Assuming he maintains that he should get around 1032 yards. Throw in one or two big plays over the whole season like that 80 yarder and he should be able to bring it up to 1100+ yards rushing. I don't know how Indy will handle goal line play calling, so Ill go conservative with the TDs at 7 or 8, but I think he can get it up higher if he keeps the starting gig all year long. So, I think the floor for Brown if he stays healthy is about 1032 yards and 7 TDs. If he plays angry, stays healthy, keeps improving and the play calling favors him a little more, then I can see him going for as much as 1200 yards and 10+ TDs in the most ideal situation, although I think the odds of that are mediocre at best.

 

[zamboni]

Even if Brown and Carter do some splitting of carries, Brown's improved pass protection, as well as his receiving skills are likely going to get him a lot of touches in passing situations.And given that this team is rebuilding and wants to protect Luck at all costs, there will be a lot of passing situations, no doubt.

Actually, I've read on several occasions that the staff doesn't want to put too much on Luck's shoulders right away, so they're planning a much more balanced offensive game, which means more running plays than the norm for Indy. Last year they only had 382 rushing attempts (avg of 23.9 per game), which put their ranking at 29th in the league (ahead of only Tennessee, Detroit and Tampa). They ranked 21st in passing without Peyton at 534 attempts (avg of 33.4 per game). By comparison, they threw 679 times with Peyton in 2010 (avg 42.4) and ran 393 times (avg 24.6). Obviously they had a hard time sustaining drives in 2011(3 different QBs and RB injuries [Addai]), which lead to a big decrease in offensive plays over the course of the season. Though I don't expect a lot of wins for Indy this year, I believe they'll fair much better in keeping those drives alive for a little longer. They probably wont average 65-70 plays a game like they did with Peyton, but they should do better than the average of 55 last year. 60 seems like a reasonable number, with 30 pass and 30 run being the perfectly balanced offense. I think the averages will be more to the tune of 33 pass and 27 run. That'll put Luck at 528 attempts (which would rank Indy at about 20th in the league for pass attempts) and give the RBs 432 carries to split up (ranking them around 19th in the league for rushing attempts). If Brown continues to average the 15 rushing attempts/game like he was the later half of 2011, that'll give him around 240 for the year. Delone gets around 7 or 8 a game for 125 and the remaining 60-70 carries would go to other RBs on the roster and Luck. Take away Brown's 80 yard run and he averaged 4.3 per carry. Assuming he maintains that he should get around 1032 yards. Throw in one or two big plays over the whole season like that 80 yarder and he should be able to bring it up to 1100+ yards rushing. I don't know how Indy will handle goal line play calling, so Ill go conservative with the TDs at 7 or 8, but I think he can get it up higher if he keeps the starting gig all year long.

Good points.Likely the pass/run ratio will be dictated by game situations. I'm sure the team would love nothing more than to not put too much on Luck's shoulders, if the defense falters and they are behind a lot, they will be forced to pass a lot more than desired.Of course, if Luck shows Newton-like skills in stepping in right away as a capable game manager, team brass could take the reins off pretty quickly.

 

[mjr]

Even if Brown and Carter do some splitting of carries, Brown's improved pass protection, as well as his receiving skills are likely going to get him a lot of touches in passing situations.And given that this team is rebuilding and wants to protect Luck at all costs, there will be a lot of passing situations, no doubt.

Actually, I've read on several occasions that the staff doesn't want to put too much on Luck's shoulders right away, so they're planning a much more balanced offensive game, which means more running plays than the norm for Indy. Last year they only had 382 rushing attempts (avg of 23.9 per game), which put their ranking at 29th in the league (ahead of only Tennessee, Detroit and Tampa). They ranked 21st in passing without Peyton at 534 attempts (avg of 33.4 per game). By comparison, they threw 679 times with Peyton in 2010 (avg 42.4) and ran 393 times (avg 24.6). Obviously they had a hard time sustaining drives in 2011(3 different QBs and RB injuries [Addai]), which lead to a big decrease in offensive plays over the course of the season. Though I don't expect a lot of wins for Indy this year, I believe they'll fair much better in keeping those drives alive for a little longer. They probably wont average 65-70 plays a game like they did with Peyton, but they should do better than the average of 55 last year. 60 seems like a reasonable number, with 30 pass and 30 run being the perfectly balanced offense. I think the averages will be more to the tune of 33 pass and 27 run. That'll put Luck at 528 attempts (which would rank Indy at about 20th in the league for pass attempts) and give the RBs 432 carries to split up (ranking them around 19th in the league for rushing attempts). If Brown continues to average the 15 rushing attempts/game like he was the later half of 2011, that'll give him around 240 for the year. Delone gets around 7 or 8 a game for 125 and the remaining 60-70 carries would go to other RBs on the roster and Luck. Take away Brown's 80 yard run and he averaged 4.3 per carry. Assuming he maintains that he should get around 1032 yards. Throw in one or two big plays over the whole season like that 80 yarder and he should be able to bring it up to 1100+ yards rushing. I don't know how Indy will handle goal line play calling, so Ill go conservative with the TDs at 7 or 8, but I think he can get it up higher if he keeps the starting gig all year long.

Good points.Likely the pass/run ratio will be dictated by game situations. I'm sure the team would love nothing more than to not put too much on Luck's shoulders, if the defense falters and they are behind a lot, they will be forced to pass a lot more than desired.Of course, if Luck shows Newton-like skills in stepping in right away as a capable game manager, team brass could take the reins off pretty quickly.

If Luck really is the best QB prospect to hit the scene since Peyton himself, then yeah, I can see them easing the reins much sooner rather than later. The same could happen if the running game suffers for any reason (issues along the line, inuries, ect). There's no doubt that Indy wants to build this team around Luck, so the run average is bound to return to near bottom of the league ranking at some point, possibly by the end of this coming season if Luck really takes off like Cam did. But 2012 is definitely the year Brown will make or break his career path. This is his best chance to shine. Even though he's under contract until the end of the 2013-14 season, Luck could be throwing 600 times by then, and Delone will have another year of improvement behind him to compete with Brown. 2012 is Donald's best shot to a big, new contract. Im just not sure if he realizes it yet.

 

[lbouchard]

Didn't the players say that were going to be a lot more 5 wide receiver sets this year to spread the offense out?

 

[mjr]

Didn't the players say that were going to be a lot more 5 wide receiver sets this year to spread the offense out?

I've only read one quote from Avery saying they were running a lot of 3-5 WR sets in OTAs, obviously without Luck present. As a Luck owner Id be thrilled if that's actually the game plan for 2012, and with Arians it wouldn't surprise me to see that formation once in a while even early on in the season, but I don't expect it to be a big part of the offense while Luck is getting himself accustomed to NFL play. Camp and preseason will fill in the question marks the staff has with both Luck and Brown at this early point. But realistically I don't expect to see a lot of 5 wide come week 1.

 

[zamboni]

But realistically I don't expect to see a lot of 5 wide come week 1.

Agreed. 5 wide would likely leave their franchise QB very vulnerable.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

But realistically I don't expect to see a lot of 5 wide come week 1.

Agreed. 5 wide would likely leave their franchise QB very vulnerable.

Thats one of several reasons why many Steeler fans wanted him gone after the first year as our OC. But we won a SB with him around in his second year so he got to stay three more despite all of our misgiving about his coaching.

 

[mjr]

But realistically I don't expect to see a lot of 5 wide come week 1.

Agreed. 5 wide would likely leave their franchise QB very vulnerable.

Thats one of several reasons why many Steeler fans wanted him gone after the first year as our OC. But we won a SB with him around in his second year so he got to stay three more despite all of our misgiving about his coaching.

Yeah, it didnt happen day 1. Took a little while working with seasoned veterans. How long do you think its going to take with a bunch of rookies and free agents all tossed together for the first time? Nobody is disputing that with Andrew Luck this is going to be a pass happy team at some point, but I don't think Indy is going to start the season remaining at the bottom of the league in rush attempts with a rookie QB who has yet to play a snap in the NFL.

 

[az_prof]

Latest update is very positive.

"Donald Brown’s 645 rushing yards ranked 30th in the NFL last season but they were acquired at an average of 4.8 yards an attempt, a figure exceeded by only 10 of the running backs ranked above him. So one wonders: why didn’t the Indianapolis Colts use him more, and might they this season? “Donald is an every down back,” Colts coach Chuck Pagano declared during the club’s organized team activities. “He is doing a tremendous job and he is having a fantastic offseason. He understands, especially on third down as far as protections go and all of those things. Nothing is going to be more important than protections.” (Indianapolis Star)."

http://www.fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=6093

 

[KCitons]

Latest update is very positive.

"Donald Brown’s 645 rushing yards ranked 30th in the NFL last season but they were acquired at an average of 4.8 yards an attempt, a figure exceeded by only 10 of the running backs ranked above him. So one wonders: why didn’t the Indianapolis Colts use him more, and might they this season? “Donald is an every down back,” Colts coach Chuck Pagano declared during the club’s organized team activities. “He is doing a tremendous job and he is having a fantastic offseason. He understands, especially on third down as far as protections go and all of those things. Nothing is going to be more important than protections.” (Indianapolis Star)."

http://www.fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=6093

Could have been due to the Colt's having to come from behind. Playing from behind in the second half with an average deficit of nearly 2 touchdowns can put a damper on rushing attempts. (yards are easier to come by when the defense is playing pass the whole second half) As a Brown owner, I would like to see him live up to his potential, but I'm not sure that the Colt's defense will be good enough to allow the Colt's offense to be more balanced.

 

[az_prof]

Latest update is very positive.

"Donald Brown’s 645 rushing yards ranked 30th in the NFL last season but they were acquired at an average of 4.8 yards an attempt, a figure exceeded by only 10 of the running backs ranked above him. So one wonders: why didn’t the Indianapolis Colts use him more, and might they this season? “Donald is an every down back,” Colts coach Chuck Pagano declared during the club’s organized team activities. “He is doing a tremendous job and he is having a fantastic offseason. He understands, especially on third down as far as protections go and all of those things. Nothing is going to be more important than protections.” (Indianapolis Star)."

http://www.fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=6093

Could have been due to the Colt's having to come from behind. Playing from behind in the second half with an average deficit of nearly 2 touchdowns can put a damper on rushing attempts. (yards are easier to come by when the defense is playing pass the whole second half) As a Brown owner, I would like to see him live up to his potential, but I'm not sure that the Colt's defense will be good enough to allow the Colt's offense to be more balanced.

As long as they use him on third down and throw to him, I am very fine with a bad defense in PPR. He is a good receiver and very good after catch, but for some reason last season the Colts didn't pass to the HBs. I would think a rookie QB would dump off to the HB more than a more experienced QB, but that's just a hunch.

 

[zamboni]

The Mewelde Moore signing bears watching though. I don't think he's capable of being more than a 3rd down back, but has excelled in that role under Arians in the past.

 

[finito]

The Mewelde Moore signing bears watching though. I don't think he's capable of being more than a 3rd down back, but has excelled in that role under Arians in the past.

He'll be 30 when the season stars, I doubt he'll do much, but if he does take most of the third downs it could hurt Brown's receiving numbers.

 

[zamboni]

The Mewelde Moore signing bears watching though. I don't think he's capable of being more than a 3rd down back, but has excelled in that role under Arians in the past.

He'll be 30 when the season stars, I doubt he'll do much, but if he does take most of the third downs it could hurt Brown's receiving numbers.

Correct - that was my point.

 

[finito]

The Mewelde Moore signing bears watching though. I don't think he's capable of being more than a 3rd down back, but has excelled in that role under Arians in the past.

He'll be 30 when the season stars, I doubt he'll do much, but if he does take most of the third downs it could hurt Brown's receiving numbers.

Correct - that was my point.

Gotcha. I do think it's a minor threat for the most part and won't hurt him much, and if it does then Brown simply wasn't good enough to produce.

 

[zamboni]

The Mewelde Moore signing bears watching though. I don't think he's capable of being more than a 3rd down back, but has excelled in that role under Arians in the past.

He'll be 30 when the season stars, I doubt he'll do much, but if he does take most of the third downs it could hurt Brown's receiving numbers.

Correct - that was my point.

Gotcha. I do think it's a minor threat for the most part and won't hurt him much, and if it does then Brown simply wasn't good enough to produce.

Agreed again - it's all up to Brown now to show whether his first two years were an aberration or last year was just overachievement.

 

[az_prof]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

 

[ShaHBucks]

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=67975&draftyear=2009&genpos=rb

Sub 4.4 40 speed and a 41 inch vert, please don't question his speed or athleticism anymore. Let's guy draft the hot rookie rb while you grab Donald Brown. There was a time when CJ Spiller and McFadden was a bust.

 

[rizzler]

I'll be targeting him in the 5-6th rounds. Doubt he'll be there anymore, but not sure I want to reach for him in the 3/4 or 4/5 (drafting from the 12 spot)

Never a huge fan of the guy, but he's got a clear path to 200+ touches. That's always a plus in FF land.

 

[zamboni]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

 

[BigTex]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

Actually, it's been only a discussion of a few people who have been trying to discount Brown. Those people will either eat crow, run and hide or wait to find one mistake by Brown and point to it as the reason why he'll never be relevant as a RB.

 

[Banger]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

who would he be removed for Moore? Carter?

 

[remote controller]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???

 

[jurb26]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???

The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.

 

[finito]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???

The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.

In theory, the QBing should be better than last season (it could not be worse) and Brown still put up semi-decent numbers once he got the starting nod last year. If he starts the entire season I could see him being a decent #2 even if they don't run a lot -- if he catches a decent number of balls he'll be a solid duel threat. Certainly some risk involved but I'm cautiously optimistic he'll be a decent fantasy starter.

 

[DoubleG]

Another small point regarding Indy trailing and Brown's value.

Brown is their best pass protector and a good receiver out of the backfield. Honestly, I think his value remains fairly consistant, just how he generates the points is going to change based on the ability (or ineptitude) of Indy's overall offense. If they're ahead, he'll be getting rushes - if they're trailing some receptions and receiving yards.

 

[zamboni]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

who would he be removed for Moore? Carter?

Moore is a 3rd down type, so I doubt it will be him.Carter strikes me as a possible goal line/short yardage specialist - punched in a 1-yard touchdown and converted a 3rd and short yesterday.Hard to say obviously since it might have been after Brown was fully out of the game anyway, but something to keep an eye on. And Ballard could be a wild card here.Either way, one has to think in the coaching staff's eyes Brown had a good start on his hold of the starting gig.

 

[jurb26]

Another small point regarding Indy trailing and Brown's value. Brown is their best pass protector and a good receiver out of the backfield. Honestly, I think his value remains fairly consistant, just how he generates the points is going to change based on the ability (or ineptitude) of Indy's overall offense. If they're ahead, he'll be getting rushes - if they're trailing some receptions and receiving yards.

I agree that a healthy Brown will get touches. My concern is what his potential to score really is. He could touch the ball 300 times with 1200 yds this season and still only score 3 times.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

who would he be removed for Moore? Carter?

Carter based on size/frame.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Another small point regarding Indy trailing and Brown's value. Brown is their best pass protector and a good receiver out of the backfield. Honestly, I think his value remains fairly consistant, just how he generates the points is going to change based on the ability (or ineptitude) of Indy's overall offense. If they're ahead, he'll be getting rushes - if they're trailing some receptions and receiving yards.

I agree that a healthy Brown will get touches. My concern is what his potential to score really is. He could touch the ball 300 times with 1200 yds this season and still only score 3 times.

Matt Forte doesn't mind.

 

[finito]

Another small point regarding Indy trailing and Brown's value. Brown is their best pass protector and a good receiver out of the backfield. Honestly, I think his value remains fairly consistant, just how he generates the points is going to change based on the ability (or ineptitude) of Indy's overall offense. If they're ahead, he'll be getting rushes - if they're trailing some receptions and receiving yards.

I agree that a healthy Brown will get touches. My concern is what his potential to score really is. He could touch the ball 300 times with 1200 yds this season and still only score 3 times.

He scored 5 times last season with the worst QBing in the league and he didn't start the first 4 games. TDs can be tricky to predict but I don't know that he and the Colts will regress that much from last season - if anything, I'd expect them to be a bit better than last seasons disaster.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???

The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.

as someone else mentioned above being on a bad team with a shaky O line isnt the worst thing for running back liket brown who catcesh a lot of screen passes.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

It's also worth considering that Mewelde Moore looks to be the 2-minute/no-huddle offense back. This amounts to only one possession in the first half, but could ruin Brown's garbage time value if the Colts are consistently running the 2-minute offense to try to catch up in the 2nd half.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.

http://www.nfl.com/n...-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???

The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.

Voice of Reason here

 

[ShaHBucks]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.

http://www.nfl.com/n...-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???

The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.

Voice of Reason here

MJD played for the Jags. You can't dismiss someone solely on the team they play for. If I'm splitting hairs between two players then that's something I'd consider. And giving where he's being drafted you can just still use him in vs weaker teams, that's what a rb3-4 is.

 

[Yolkix]

After that first pre season game I feel good about giving the entire Colts team a bit of a bump. In a ppr I think it is also safe to assume that even if he doesn't get the goal line work, Brown could easily catch 40-50 passes this year.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

MJD played for the Jags.

You just compared Donald Brown to MJD. :(

 

[Vector]

I'll be targeting him in the 5-6th rounds. Doubt he'll be there anymore, but not sure I want to reach for him in the 3/4 or 4/5 (drafting from the 12 spot)Never a huge fan of the guy, but he's got a clear path to 200+ touches. That's always a plus in FF land.

Damn Riz, you slammed the guy pretty good in this thread a couple months ago.Would you take Lynch ahead of Brown now?

 

[remote controller]

There has been a lot of discussion about discounting Brown's 80 yard run last year against the Titans. Looks like critics will want to discount another big play; this 63 yard run after catch for a TD on Andrew Luck's first pass in the NFL. Brown has always been a good receiver and this play highlights his vision, quickness, and agility.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000049020/article/andrew-luck-of-colts-scores-on-first-nfl-pass

I don't think anyone is questioning his receiving ability or quickness. The issue for us fantasy geeks is whether Brown is going to get a feature back workload and, perhaps even more importantly, whether he'll be removed at the goal line.

I don't have it at my finger tips but i remember reading somewhere that his goaline conversion rate was pretty good in limited attempts???

The biggest problem I have with Brown is that he plays in Indy. Their Oline is looking pretty terrible right now and I see them passing the ball a great deal. Indy should be loosing a lot of games and Luck will be developing. I can't see many scoring opportunities for Brown given his circumstances.

....and I see Brown as the perfect safety valve for a Qb, and a great drop off for a screen.

 

[rizzler]

I'll be targeting him in the 5-6th rounds. Doubt he'll be there anymore, but not sure I want to reach for him in the 3/4 or 4/5 (drafting from the 12 spot)Never a huge fan of the guy, but he's got a clear path to 200+ touches. That's always a plus in FF land.

Damn Riz, you slammed the guy pretty good in this thread a couple months ago.Would you take Lynch ahead of Brown now?

rnd 5/6 for a starting RB, I cant say no. But no way in hell Id take Brown over Lynch.Like I said, Im still not a fan of Brown, but if his price is low, he can join my team

 

[renesauz]

I understand the hesitance, but I've been able to snag this guy in the late eighth round as the 30th or so RB off the board. Based on what I saw in the first preseason game...that's ridiculous value.

ETA: That was in the IBL, where you only have to start one and can't start more than 2 RB's (PPR), but he was still RB28.

 

[RBM]

I understand the hesitance, but I've been able to snag this guy in the late eighth round as the 30th or so RB off the board. Based on what I saw in the first preseason game...that's ridiculous value.ETA: That was in the IBL, where you only have to start one and can't start more than 2 RB's (PPR), but he was still RB28.

I like Brown but did he even get a carry in that game?

 

[rizzler]

I understand the hesitance, but I've been able to snag this guy in the late eighth round as the 30th or so RB off the board. Based on what I saw in the first preseason game...that's ridiculous value.ETA: That was in the IBL, where you only have to start one and can't start more than 2 RB's (PPR), but he was still RB28.

I like Brown but did he even get a carry in that game?

irrelevant. the dump off made Luck a hall of famer and brown a first rounder.