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wraith5

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I've been a big Driver fan for a long time, but lately I've seen enough evidence coming out to GB to convince me that his value is limited going forward:

Greg Jennings (4TDs) and James Jones (2TDs) have nearly the same total yards at Driver (2 TDs) on 1/2 the receptions. Plus Greg has played in 2 less games and Jones had 0's against WAS. Both of these guys look much faster than Driver, and are getting all of the go routes (I actually think someone else made this same observation in the MNF thread). The RB and TE corps are catching a lot of passes as well (3 TDs for TEs, 0 for RBs).

If Green Bay can establish an actual running game with Grant (and Jackson on 3rd downs) there should be less passes to go around, and they've already been pretty spread out to begin with (Driver is getting 22% of the looks).

Driver appears slower/older than ever. GB is working to balance their offensive attack (it is starting to get colder in the midwest...) and Jennings and Jones both look sharper. I almost look at Driver like I do Derrick Mason, but with a much better surrounding cast, meaning he doesn't need to carry the load.

5/60's with a few TD's for the rest of the season.

 
wraith5 said:
EdwardCat said:
It is the unfortunate truth. I'm glad I got hand-cuffed to this guy.
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What means this?
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It means I traded Owens for Marshall and Driver (and a pick) thinking Driver would be a great Wr for the rest of the season given his passing matchups. It is looking rather grim, however. I'm thinking of trading Driver back to the guy for Witten since he values Driver more than Witten. (No, we aren't required to start a TE). Driver isn't Favre's security guy. Driver is Favre's 3rd option after the TE and RB. Witten is Romo's 1st option it seems.
 
The most troubling thing in GB is the playcalling when the team has the lead. Love to pass in the first half, but almost shut it down in the second. That is exactly why GB lost to Chicago and almost lost to Den on MNF.

I think Driver's stats are due to rebound as the guy is still being doubled every play. I hope it becomes obvious to Defenses that you need a safety over top of Jennings.

I actually just traded this week for Harrison. It is hard to cut bait on a guy who has such a low value right now, but dont hang on to him expecting the same numbers from last season. He is currently a low end #2 with high end #2 potential at best in a 12 team format.

 
Driver was two over throws away from a 2 td game on Monday night and seemed to be the guy they went to for the important first downs. He is certainly the possession guy there now and is not going to put up big yardage numbers.

 
Driver will be solid going forward but the days of being the sole target are gone and with that go the 10+ target games. I owned him in all 4 money league and sold him off in 3.

 
DoGdr said:
Driver was two over throws away from a 2 td game on Monday night and seemed to be the guy they went to for the important first downs. He is certainly the possession guy there now and is not going to put up big yardage numbers.
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Bingo.Favre missed him wide open on one play. That fade/corner play just barely missed as well.
 
Driver is like Hines Ward.

Consistant yardage, but rarely over 100. Good catch #'s, but streaky TD's (lots of zeros, but some 2 TD games).

 
Driver has no problems with going over the middle so it doesn't surprise me that his numbers are lower this year when they have 2 other options that stretch the field. Most of his receptions are on the quick slant, which he occasionally breaks for a big gain. In PPR he still has solid value 6 receptions for 60 yards is still a decent day. He is my #2/3 WR (depending on matchups), so I'm totally heart broken that he isn't as productive as he was last year. I would still love to see an increase down the stretch, but with Robinson likely taking a few more looks each game now too (depending on how his knee responds)...I just don't see it. From here on out 50 to 60 yards and .5 TDs per game might be the most we can expect.

 
The Raiders do have a good pass defense but I also think some of that is due to the fact teams don't have to throw on them because their run defense is so putrid. And the Packers have a top-level passing offense so I'm not so sure the matchup advantage shouldn't lean in their direction.

Last week - Cutler played like absolutely horse s**t and yet his starting WRs (Marshall and Stokely) had productive fantasy games. So I don't think Driver or Jennings owners need to fear this matchup. I do think, however, if Favre is limited in any way the Packers could choose to utilize Grant heavily and turn this into a running game. The Raiders are obviously vulnerable on the ground and Grant has been running well so this could be a game where McCarthy elects to go with a heavy running game emphasis to protect Favre - should Favre need any protecting.

Back to the WRs, I think Driver is a solid WR2 in PPR leagues. He's caught at least 4 passes in each of the past five games and he's been consistently getting 60+ yards a game. It's clear his inability to get into the end zone is not just a trend but something that probably has to be expected going forward. Jennings is really dominating the TDs from the WR position. So in standard scoring leagues, I think Driver isn't a week-to-week lock if you have good options with more TD potential.

I think Driver could end up with 6-7 receptions, 70-80 yards and 0 TDs this week.

 
I can't access the stats for the last few weeks, but Driver did have a catch last week where he was tackled at the 2yd line.

I know we all keep waiting for him to get in the EZ, but I don't think it's fair to say he's being ignored in the Redzone. Anyone able to pull the RZ target stats for the last 3-4 weeks? I think it paints a better picture than some might think.

 
I've been staying away from him the last three weeks. I don't see him as a Top 20 WR going forward. Favre spreads the ball around too much and Jennings is the points producing WR on the team right now. Driver has become a possession receiver with Jennings getting more yards and TD's since he is primarily targetted on long passes. That means Driver's yardage totals are going to be pretty limited. His value further takes a hit since he only has 2 TD's this year (and I believe none since week 3 or so). So he is pretty much a WR who will get you limited yards (60-80) with about a 20% chance of scoring a TD. I would prefer to start someone else in my lineup who has a potential to get better numbers. I am done living in the past with this guy, he is merely a possession WR this year now and is not the main target on the team. He should be valued accordingly. Like earlier in this thread, I have heard throughout the year that Driver just missed this TD pass at the goal line, or was overthrown other times which could have resulted in a TD. Bottom line for me is he isn't getting the TD's this year (regardless of the excuses being made for him) while other WR's I have are, so I have been going with my other options.

 
Boulder Toads said:
I can't access the stats for the last few weeks, but Driver did have a catch last week where he was tackled at the 2yd line.

I know we all keep waiting for him to get in the EZ, but I don't think it's fair to say he's being ignored in the Redzone. Anyone able to pull the RZ target stats for the last 3-4 weeks? I think it paints a better picture than some might think.
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It's 1 1 2Jennings is 1 3 1

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-gnb-3.php

 
skillz said:
I've been staying away from him the last three weeks. I don't see him as a Top 20 WR going forward. Favre spreads the ball around too much and Jennings is the points producing WR on the team right now. Driver has become a possession receiver with Jennings getting more yards and TD's since he is primarily targetted on long passes. That means Driver's yardage totals are going to be pretty limited. His value further takes a hit since he only has 2 TD's this year (and I believe none since week 3 or so). So he is pretty much a WR who will get you limited yards (60-80) with about a 20% chance of scoring a TD. I would prefer to start someone else in my lineup who has a potential to get better numbers. I am done living in the past with this guy, he is merely a possession WR this year now and is not the main target on the team. He should be valued accordingly. Like earlier in this thread, I have heard throughout the year that Driver just missed this TD pass at the goal line, or was overthrown other times which could have resulted in a TD. Bottom line for me is he isn't getting the TD's this year (regardless of the excuses being made for him) while other WR's I have are, so I have been going with my other options.
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I don't know....merely a possession receiver? Did you see him on Thanksgiving? They throw to him once or twice a game deep....I understand if you have better options. But I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this guy, in the fantasy playoffs, has 100 yard 1 TD type game. Honestly, the guy is still a big threat....he plays hurt....grabs receptions, which is money in a PPR league, and TD's are a crap shoot. I highly doubt he'll only have 2 TD's for a full years work....hence the law of averages favors him scoring in the next three games. My :unsure:
 
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Neo said:
I highly doubt he'll only have 2 TD's for a full years work....hence the law of averages favors him scoring in the next three games. My :2cents:
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This is sorta why I picked up Isaac Bruce before he had any TDs. A healthy starting WR on a good passing team will get catches, yards, and - sooner or later - scores. I don't think any FF team that starts 3 WR can afford to bench Driver.
 
Fireman Ed said:
Driver will be solid going forward but the days of being the sole target are gone and with that go the 10+ target games. I owned him in all 4 money league and sold him off in 3.
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He has had 12 and 10 targets respectively, the last two games.
 
Chicago Hooligan said:
Neo said:
I highly doubt he'll only have 2 TD's for a full years work....hence the law of averages favors him scoring in the next three games. My :mellow:
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This is sorta why I picked up Isaac Bruce before he had any TDs. A healthy starting WR on a good passing team will get catches, yards, and - sooner or later - scores. I don't think any FF team that starts 3 WR can afford to bench Driver.
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I'm starting him this week over Marshall in hopes that he finally gets into the end zone. The guy is due...over due!
 
No, he's not a top 20 WR going forward. IMO, Driver's perceived "value" in the fantasy marketplace is still being driven by his outstanding 2006 season. People need to recognize that was a career year for him. He'll never get those kinds of numbers again.

 
BusterTBronco said:
No, he's not a top 20 WR going forward. IMO, Driver's perceived "value" in the fantasy marketplace is still being driven by his outstanding 2006 season. People need to recognize that was a career year for him. He'll never get those kinds of numbers again.
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He ranks 23rd in standard scoring leagues and he's 29th in those leagues in average points per game. He's only 1 point per game less than the 20th-ranked receiver (Brandon Marshall). Not sure where he ranks in PPR leagues. Driver may not be a Top 20 WR but he's not far off from that status. The lack of TDs is a major issue but he's still getting a quality number of receptions and yardage. I'd have no hesitation starting him most weeks if I had him in standard leagues and in PPR leagues I'd be starting him on a weekly basis as no worse than a WR3 unless I had ridiculous talent at the position.
 
wraith5 said:
I've been a big Driver fan for a long time, but lately I've seen enough evidence coming out to GB to convince me that his value is limited going forward:

Greg Jennings (4TDs) and James Jones (2TDs) have nearly the same total yards at Driver (2 TDs) on 1/2 the receptions. Plus Greg has played in 2 less games and Jones had 0's against WAS. Both of these guys look much faster than Driver, and are getting all of the go routes (I actually think someone else made this same observation in the MNF thread). The RB and TE corps are catching a lot of passes as well (3 TDs for TEs, 0 for RBs).

If Green Bay can establish an actual running game with Grant (and Jackson on 3rd downs) there should be less passes to go around, and they've already been pretty spread out to begin with (Driver is getting 22% of the looks).

Driver appears slower/older than ever. GB is working to balance their offensive attack (it is starting to get colder in the midwest...) and Jennings and Jones both look sharper. I almost look at Driver like I do Derrick Mason, but with a much better surrounding cast, meaning he doesn't need to carry the load.

5/60's with a few TD's for the rest of the season.
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I don't disagree with most of what you are saying. However, note that Driver is playing with a foot injury. I read a report that he was in alot of pain and limping following the Packers/Lions game, but played last Thursday vs Dallas. It's possible the injury is slowing him down, not age. On the other hand, its possible that age is a factor with his injuries (shoulder, foot, knee). I don't really know, but I'm giving Driver the benefit of the doubt and believe he is a bondafide threat now and going forward.
 
bcr8f said:
Last year he was top 10. This year is his down year.
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With the emergence of Jennings, Jones and Lee, I don't think things are going to get much better for him (stats-wise) next year and beyond either.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll said:
Tough matchup this week. What does he get?
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Same thing he gets most weeks...- 77 yards- ignored in the red zone
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Isn't this the truth. I noticed that another person responded that he was tackled at the two last week and another mentioned that he has had a lot of targets the past two weeks.The only thing that concerns me is that hardly any of his targets are in the endzone! When they get inside the 10 Favre likes to throw those slant passes, they ALWAYS go to Jennings or Lee or Jones or Robinson, but never to Driver. And it's not like he is looking off defenders and checking down to his 2nd or 3rd option, he is taking a quick 3 step drop and firing at his first option, which is not Driver.The pass he caught last week inside the 5 was a slant but he had no chance of getting in the endzone b/c there were defenders all around him, it was however for a 1st down. Driver is Favres go to guy when he needs a first down but not when he needs a TD.On a side note I'm hoping with Favres injury that Grant will get more work in the redzone. 2 weeks ago he scored a TD but the Packers had 1st and goal like 4 times and only gave it to Grant once, with Favre throwing TD passes every other time. Favre is prone to make mistakes at one point or another, he proved it last week. I don't know why they at least wqouldn't give Grant 1 shot at first and goal inside the 5? They had 2 opportunities where they had 1st and goal inside the 5 and both were TD passes with NO rushing attempts. Grants TD run was a 7 yard rush. Grant is doing extremely well but he could be doing a lot better.
 
BusterTBronco said:
No, he's not a top 20 WR going forward. IMO, Driver's perceived "value" in the fantasy marketplace is still being driven by his outstanding 2006 season. People need to recognize that was a career year for him. He'll never get those kinds of numbers again.
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In 2004 and 2005 he posted pretty similar numbers. All were roughly 1200 yds, and 9, 5, 8 TDs respectively.
 
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