iknowsquat
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Could he possibly end this high. Situaton looks good. 
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Could he? Yes.
Should you expect him to be and rank him above borderline top 20 guys like Chad Johnson, Housh, Antonio Bryant, etc? I don't think that's a good idea.
I did a rough draft of redraft rankings yesterday afternoon and he came out 27th, which may be slightly too high.
Should you expect him to be and rank him above borderline top 20 guys like Chad Johnson, Housh, Antonio Bryant, etc? I don't think that's a good idea.
I did a rough draft of redraft rankings yesterday afternoon and he came out 27th, which may be slightly too high.
TheWick
Footballguy
Alot of variables going on with the Rams. New coaches, new philosophy. Given health he should get the targets to end up in the top 20, I would take him ahead of other question mark WRs in that range...Santonio, Vincent Jackson, Lee Evans types (not a fan of those guys in PPR)...but in that range there also some pretty consistent guys like Housh, Ocho, Cotchery that would make for a hard decision.
mediajunkie
Footballguy
I think St. Louis is still something of a mess. His situation does look good but I think his upside is about WR 20, downside in the late 30's.
5Rings
Lurker
I cant get behind the hype. Ram OL is still amongst the 5 worst in the league, the injury prone QB hasn't been better than mediocre in 3 years, there is no legit NFL WR2, 3, or 4 and as soon as SJax goes down there will be no threat of a run game. I'm staying clear of all Ram offensive players this year. This team is still a mess.
I don't have him in my top-30. His situation is terrible. Basically I see him as Lee Evans in 2007 only I don't think Avery is anywhere near the talent Evans is and I doubt he can overcome constant double teams.
Maybe he'll get 850 yards and 4 or 5 TD's, but I'd be shocked if he topped that and if Bulger gets hurt again, then even those numbers are unattainable.
Maybe he'll get 850 yards and 4 or 5 TD's, but I'd be shocked if he topped that and if Bulger gets hurt again, then even those numbers are unattainable.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I thought their O-line got a lot better this offseason?
•TheRealMcCoy
Footballguy
It did! Why people are still non believers is beyound me. We should all know by now NFL teams can change drastically in the blink of an eye! Look at ARZ going to SB last year? Or Mia getting into playoffs after a terrible season! Am I saying that the Rams will be SB contenders......... NO! But c'mon! Avery is there #1 WR and after missing the first few games of the season still put up Evans type #s last year!! On top of that Pace was always playing hurt and there Oline was in a mess!They brought in Jacob Bell(OG) last year who will be in his 2nd year with the team and is said to be pretty dang good! On top of that they brought in arguebly the best OT in the draft in Jason Smith! Resign a young top G in Richie Incognito! AND brought in what some say was a top 2 or 3 OL in free agency in Jason Brown from Balt!! These guys will help S Jax stay healthy and protect Bulger in the pocket!I say Averys floor is probably 25 or so and Cieling could be 15!!My predictions: 1,100 yds rec / 82 Rec / and some rush yds to boot!And everyone that is so in love with Lee Evans can have his 20 pt game one week and 2 and 3 pters the next 3(etc)!
corpcow
Footballguy
Fairly excited, eh? What's with all the exclamation points?It did! Why people are still non believers is beyound me. We should all know by now NFL teams can change drastically in the blink of an eye! Look at ARZ going to SB last year? Or Mia getting into playoffs after a terrible season! Am I saying that the Rams will be SB contenders......... NO! But c'mon! Avery is there #1 WR and after missing the first few games of the season still put up Evans type #s last year!! On top of that Pace was always playing hurt and there Oline was in a mess!They brought in Jacob Bell(OG) last year who will be in his 2nd year with the team and is said to be pretty dang good! On top of that they brought in arguebly the best OT in the draft in Jason Smith! Resign a young top G in Richie Incognito! AND brought in what some say was a top 2 or 3 OL in free agency in Jason Brown from Balt!! These guys will help S Jax stay healthy and protect Bulger in the pocket!I say Averys floor is probably 25 or so and Cieling could be 15!!My predictions: 1,100 yds rec / 82 Rec / and some rush yds to boot!And everyone that is so in love with Lee Evans can have his 20 pt game one week and 2 and 3 pters the next 3(etc)!
•TheRealMcCoy
Footballguy
Sorry. LOL. I use several quotation marks all the time. Its a habit.Fairly excited, eh? What's with all the exclamation points?It did! Why people are still non believers is beyound me. We should all know by now NFL teams can change drastically in the blink of an eye! Look at ARZ going to SB last year? Or Mia getting into playoffs after a terrible season! Am I saying that the Rams will be SB contenders......... NO! But c'mon! Avery is there #1 WR and after missing the first few games of the season still put up Evans type #s last year!! On top of that Pace was always playing hurt and there Oline was in a mess!They brought in Jacob Bell(OG) last year who will be in his 2nd year with the team and is said to be pretty dang good! On top of that they brought in arguebly the best OT in the draft in Jason Smith! Resign a young top G in Richie Incognito! AND brought in what some say was a top 2 or 3 OL in free agency in Jason Brown from Balt!! These guys will help S Jax stay healthy and protect Bulger in the pocket!I say Averys floor is probably 25 or so and Cieling could be 15!!My predictions: 1,100 yds rec / 82 Rec / and some rush yds to boot!And everyone that is so in love with Lee Evans can have his 20 pt game one week and 2 and 3 pters the next 3(etc)!
Well one thing you can be sure of is the D still is gonna be bad which means playing a lot of catch up. Also despite them sending one of the super bowl contenders last year the division is still fairly weak, plus a lions share of their games will be in a dome or in good weather. IF SJax and Bulger stay healthy i could absolutely see a top 20 finish, even if Bulger goes down I think they have an adequate back up now in Boller. Do I take him over Chad O, VJax or TJ?...probably not but he is a good pick right after that group. I am fortunate enough to be able to keep him in one league as a rookie protection with a low pick. We can keep rookies the following year by forfeiting the pick in the round you selected them in. I took him in the 9th last year!
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
This guy is a goldmine IMO.
No one seems to be digging him at all, but he has everything you look for in a break out candidate. He's got talent (was the top WR drafted in his class, and has silly speed), is coming into his 2nd year after a very promising rookie season, is now the undisputed #1 receiving option on his team, and his team has no where to go but up. As previously mentioned, the Rams made big investments in the line, and that should help the entire offense greatly.
Laugh all you want, but there is no reason he couldn't be in the top 10. I'm not saying it's a lock, but the ingredients are definitely there. I see folks projecting ceilings about where I'd put his floor, assuming he is healthy.
No one seems to be digging him at all, but he has everything you look for in a break out candidate. He's got talent (was the top WR drafted in his class, and has silly speed), is coming into his 2nd year after a very promising rookie season, is now the undisputed #1 receiving option on his team, and his team has no where to go but up. As previously mentioned, the Rams made big investments in the line, and that should help the entire offense greatly.
Laugh all you want, but there is no reason he couldn't be in the top 10. I'm not saying it's a lock, but the ingredients are definitely there. I see folks projecting ceilings about where I'd put his floor, assuming he is healthy.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
There are a lot of question marks about this team.
1) Does the new coaching staff have a clue? First time HC, OC, and DC does not bode well usually for a team.
2) Will the line gel despite having a new C and a new LG who just happens to be a rook?
3) Is Bulger the suck or can the bad play be attributed to the line the last couple of years because the line play was most definitely the suck?
4) Can Avery produce without any sort of help seemingly from the WR2?
5) Will the Rams play more ball control offense with the talent they have in SJax?
I don't have an answer to 1. To #2, it seems promising, but it may be a few games before that line really gets into a groove. So back to point #1, can a bunch of rookie coaches keep a team confident if they start off 1-4?
For 3, I think a lot of the way Bulger played the last couple of years had to do with the line. But can he rebound? All around town talk of "shell shock" is bandied about. In which case is Bulger still going to be throwing the ball quickly off his back foot in the fear that he may get hit yet again if he doesn't? I hope not. He has sounded extremely upbeat and confident this offseason in interviews I have heard, but also admitted that this is his last year in St. Louis if he doesn't win ball games.
For 4, I think that a WR can definitely produce without a viable WR2. We've seen that time and time again. Alvin Harper seemed like a viable WR when he was with the Boys when in fact he was the suck and only had success as a Cowboy because Irvin was so hard to cover. I am not comparing Avery to Irvin. Just saying that it is possible. But I feel that either a legit WR steps up or the Rams need a Novacek type player at WR to take heat off the Avery. McMichael seemingly can be that guy but has not showed that in St. Louis.
As for 5, well, the better damn run the ball with SJax. With those WR's they need to keep the D honest over and over again with a steady dose of SJ on the ground and with dump offs. If they don't run the Rams are in for yet another long season.
So where does that leave Avery? Probably in the 15-20 range at the end of the season with more like 10-12 range numbers in the second half. I see him as a good buy low candidate in weeks 4-6...
1) Does the new coaching staff have a clue? First time HC, OC, and DC does not bode well usually for a team.
2) Will the line gel despite having a new C and a new LG who just happens to be a rook?
3) Is Bulger the suck or can the bad play be attributed to the line the last couple of years because the line play was most definitely the suck?
4) Can Avery produce without any sort of help seemingly from the WR2?
5) Will the Rams play more ball control offense with the talent they have in SJax?
I don't have an answer to 1. To #2, it seems promising, but it may be a few games before that line really gets into a groove. So back to point #1, can a bunch of rookie coaches keep a team confident if they start off 1-4?
For 3, I think a lot of the way Bulger played the last couple of years had to do with the line. But can he rebound? All around town talk of "shell shock" is bandied about. In which case is Bulger still going to be throwing the ball quickly off his back foot in the fear that he may get hit yet again if he doesn't? I hope not. He has sounded extremely upbeat and confident this offseason in interviews I have heard, but also admitted that this is his last year in St. Louis if he doesn't win ball games.
For 4, I think that a WR can definitely produce without a viable WR2. We've seen that time and time again. Alvin Harper seemed like a viable WR when he was with the Boys when in fact he was the suck and only had success as a Cowboy because Irvin was so hard to cover. I am not comparing Avery to Irvin. Just saying that it is possible. But I feel that either a legit WR steps up or the Rams need a Novacek type player at WR to take heat off the Avery. McMichael seemingly can be that guy but has not showed that in St. Louis.
As for 5, well, the better damn run the ball with SJax. With those WR's they need to keep the D honest over and over again with a steady dose of SJ on the ground and with dump offs. If they don't run the Rams are in for yet another long season.
So where does that leave Avery? Probably in the 15-20 range at the end of the season with more like 10-12 range numbers in the second half. I see him as a good buy low candidate in weeks 4-6...
I like Avery, but I think you guys are expecting too much from a 2nd year WR. I would draft him based on an estimate of 900 yards Receiving with a handful of rushing yards to boot.He's still a young receiver, and adjusting to a new coach and a new system(again) To expect 1100 + yards is overkill unless you think he's gonna be the next Moss or the next TO. Personally, I think he'll be good, but not that good. so I have lowered my expectations and will draft him as a WR3. If he turns out to play like a WR2 I'd consider it a bonus.It did! Why people are still non believers is beyound me. We should all know by now NFL teams can change drastically in the blink of an eye! Look at ARZ going to SB last year? Or Mia getting into playoffs after a terrible season! Am I saying that the Rams will be SB contenders......... NO! But c'mon! Avery is there #1 WR and after missing the first few games of the season still put up Evans type #s last year!! On top of that Pace was always playing hurt and there Oline was in a mess!They brought in Jacob Bell(OG) last year who will be in his 2nd year with the team and is said to be pretty dang good! On top of that they brought in arguebly the best OT in the draft in Jason Smith! Resign a young top G in Richie Incognito! AND brought in what some say was a top 2 or 3 OL in free agency in Jason Brown from Balt!! These guys will help S Jax stay healthy and protect Bulger in the pocket!I say Averys floor is probably 25 or so and Cieling could be 15!!My predictions: 1,100 yds rec / 82 Rec / and some rush yds to boot!And everyone that is so in love with Lee Evans can have his 20 pt game one week and 2 and 3 pters the next 3(etc)!
packersfan
Footballguy
In the drafts I've seen so far Avery is someone you can typically get as a WR3. That means you're deciding between him and guys like Coles, Cotchery, Walter, Moore, Driver, Hester and guys like that. Some of those guys (Coles and Driver, for example) are much safer since they've been quality producers for several years. But do any of those guys have the upside Avery does? Other than Moore and maybe Hester, I don't think they do.
The concerns about the Rams' offense are legit. That team has been a trainwreck for the past few years, Bulger clearly isn't a top QB any more and Avery has no proven help to take pressure off him (not to mention he's yet to prove he can be a No. 1 WR). So there are some legitimate factors working against Avery. On the plus side, the guy is a big-time playmaker and even with Holt around last year, Bulger still targeted Avery quite a bit (six games with nine or more targets in the last nine games). That would seem to bode well for his chances to produce even if the offense overall isn't up to snuff.
For me, if I can land two good to very good WRs, Avery is the guy I'd be looking at as a WR3. I think you can gamble on his upside if your other two WRs are strong. If he comes through, it's a bonus. If he's inconsistent, hopefully you're not hurt too bad because your other two WRs (assuming you're in a start-3 league) are delivering.
The concerns about the Rams' offense are legit. That team has been a trainwreck for the past few years, Bulger clearly isn't a top QB any more and Avery has no proven help to take pressure off him (not to mention he's yet to prove he can be a No. 1 WR). So there are some legitimate factors working against Avery. On the plus side, the guy is a big-time playmaker and even with Holt around last year, Bulger still targeted Avery quite a bit (six games with nine or more targets in the last nine games). That would seem to bode well for his chances to produce even if the offense overall isn't up to snuff.
For me, if I can land two good to very good WRs, Avery is the guy I'd be looking at as a WR3. I think you can gamble on his upside if your other two WRs are strong. If he comes through, it's a bonus. If he's inconsistent, hopefully you're not hurt too bad because your other two WRs (assuming you're in a start-3 league) are delivering.
Boston
Footballguy
I think both Avery and Jackson's value revolve around whether Spags is the real deal. The Rams have been a disaster the last few years. A team totally adrift. If Spags can come in and change the culture and get the Rams to play with discipline and effort I think both Avery and Jax will benefit from a stable environment. The Rams will still be bad as a team this year but if they're playing with a purpose than these two will get the most out of their skills.
Avery is real intriguing. He's a #1 on an indoor team which usually isn't a bad thing. He's still raw but he showed some legit skills last year. Since I don't follow the Rams closely I'd really like to know about his work ethic. If he has a good one than I see no reason why he can't be a high-quality #3 fantasy WR this year. I think numbers like Dwayne Bowe last year (86-1,022-7) is the upside should everything fall into place. Yet, since that's asking a lot I think projecting him for something like 70-900-6 is more realistic. In dynasty/keeper formats he's a guy you may want to inquire about now since his value could be a lot higher this time next year.
Avery is real intriguing. He's a #1 on an indoor team which usually isn't a bad thing. He's still raw but he showed some legit skills last year. Since I don't follow the Rams closely I'd really like to know about his work ethic. If he has a good one than I see no reason why he can't be a high-quality #3 fantasy WR this year. I think numbers like Dwayne Bowe last year (86-1,022-7) is the upside should everything fall into place. Yet, since that's asking a lot I think projecting him for something like 70-900-6 is more realistic. In dynasty/keeper formats he's a guy you may want to inquire about now since his value could be a lot higher this time next year.
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packersfan
Footballguy
For me, it all boils down to what you want from your WR3. In my top league, for example, I'm picking 11th and I'm looking at grabbing two stud WRs with my first two picks (PPR format). So if I'm able to come away with any two from the group of Andre, Moss, Calvin, Smith, Wayne and Jennings then I think grabbing an upside WR3 like Avery is worth the gamble. Coles or Driver are safer choices but I don't see either one of them having Top 20-25 potential the way I believe Avery does. So if I'm strong with my top two WRs, then I think it puts me in a stronger position to gamble on Avery.
healthpellets
Footballguy
knowledge.
