Donovan McNabb (1 Viewer)

[JamesTheScot]

There's actually a part of me that wishes that McNabb would leave so that we can go through the season with an average or below-average quarterback like 75% of the other teams in the league have to. It would be great having the idiot-McNabb bashers refer to the 5 of 8 championship games era as the 'good old days'.

As I've said all along, give me Brady, P. Manning, Brees, or Rothlisberger and I'll gladly part ways with McNabb. But I'm not willing to downgrade just because I'm angry that we've never had teh league's best team.

The bolded part is exactly the argument against him for the HOF. There's always a handful of guys playing better.He does a lot of things well and plays well much of the time. But he just has that knack for completely missing someone or putting the ball in the dirt on seemingly easy, routine plays that makes people scratch their heads about him.

The quality of the WR's explains how a slightly off pass can still be a completion for Warner but a miss for McNabb...but the problem is McNabb also makes too many throws where even Fitz wouldn't catch it. That inconsistency is a killer. And when a guy can make the throws sometimes but not others, with the same WR corp, at some point you've got to realize it's in the QB's head. Whether it's a concentration thing or an information processing thing, I don't know.

 

[Tong Po]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The “vaunted” Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all “McChokes” fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

 

[Yenrub]

Yet somehow its all “McChokes” fault they lost

Really? Who's saying it's "all McNabb's fault"? Please point them out to me.

Sure looks like you were putting all the blame on McNabb with this post

McNabb made some good plays, but those were more than offset by his miserable play. That probably should have been a 10-point Eagles win. Because of his play it could have easily been a 14-point loss or worse and he's lucky it wasn't because of that blown call on a kickoff and an INT that was fumbled away.Those third quarter stats are why so many Eagles fans are time after time about him. He has the capacity to be great when he turns it on, but the problem is that he's inconsistent, both in his passing and in his leadership and time and again he and his teams fall short. What's amusing is that Philly fans, if they're honest with themselves, know they'd have to be very lucky to find someone even as good as McNabb, so they're stuck with him. The question is whether he's finally had his fill of them.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was Baskett's fault for not catching it with his feet.

 

[JuniorNB]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The “vaunted” Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all “McChokes” fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was a bad pass. Why, did I say he never makes bad passes? In fact, do you remember seeing any NFL quarterback who never made a bad pass? Is that the bar we've set for McNabb now? 100% perfection?

Here's a little unknown tidbit I'll share with you....The league gives you four downs to get ten yards. The reason? a ten yard completion isn't easy. There are professionals on the other side, too. If you can complete just one ten yard pass every four downs, you'll score on every drive and never lose a game. Not many quarterbacks have achieved that, though.

 

[dotman]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The "vaunted" Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all "McChokes" fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was a bad pass. Why, did I say he never makes bad passes? In fact, do you remember seeing any NFL quarterback who never made a bad pass? Is that the bar we've set for McNabb now? 100% perfection?

Don't forget, Basket had another crossing route that bounced right off his chest in stride. And Warner overthrew a free running Boldin down the middle of the field. But the Eagles D couldn't hold the lead McNabb gave them, so Donovan takes all the criticism from the simpletons....again.

 

[T Bell]

Yet somehow its all “McChokes” fault they lost

Really? Who's saying it's "all McNabb's fault"? Please point them out to me.

Sure looks like you were putting all the blame on McNabb with this post

McNabb made some good plays, but those were more than offset by his miserable play. That probably should have been a 10-point Eagles win. Because of his play it could have easily been a 14-point loss or worse and he's lucky it wasn't because of that blown call on a kickoff and an INT that was fumbled away.Those third quarter stats are why so many Eagles fans are time after time about him. He has the capacity to be great when he turns it on, but the problem is that he's inconsistent, both in his passing and in his leadership and time and again he and his teams fall short. What's amusing is that Philly fans, if they're honest with themselves, know they'd have to be very lucky to find someone even as good as McNabb, so they're stuck with him. The question is whether he's finally had his fill of them.

Nope. The Eagles defense was outplayed and outcoached too, oh and BTW Arizona gets paid too and they were very good. McNabb was one of the critical problems for the Eagles, however, and if only he'd gotten his act together for four quarters, they'd have won IMHO. I also believe that if the defense had contained Warner & Co. at all in the first half, you could say the same about them, however that's less clear how much that's a defensive failure versus simply an offense that was hitting on all cylinders with some great players.

 

[T Bell]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The "vaunted" Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all "McChokes" fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was a bad pass. Why, did I say he never makes bad passes? In fact, do you remember seeing any NFL quarterback who never made a bad pass? Is that the bar we've set for McNabb now? 100% perfection?

Don't forget, Basket had another crossing route that bounced right off his chest in stride. And Warner overthrew a free running Boldin down the middle of the field. But the Eagles D couldn't hold the lead McNabb gave them, so Donovan takes all the criticism from the simpletons....again.

Wait, you're comparing Warner's accuracy as a passer with McNabb's?

 

[Ghost Rider]

I also believe that if the defense had contained Warner & Co. at all in the first half, you could say the same about them, however that's less clear how much that's a defensive failure versus simply an offense that was hitting on all cylinders with some great players.

True. Also, as much as the defense is getting criticized, they essentially as a whole performed the same way McNabb did...terrible in the first half, great in the 3rd quarter and the beginning of the 4th, and then poor again at the end of the game.But we don't see JuniorNB defending the defense like he is McNabb, do we?

 

[Tong Po]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The “vaunted” Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all “McChokes” fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was a bad pass. Why, did I say he never makes bad passes? In fact, do you remember seeing any NFL quarterback who never made a bad pass? Is that the bar we've set for McNabb now? 100% perfection?

Here's a little unknown tidbit I'll share with you....The league gives you four downs to get ten yards. The reason? a ten yard completion isn't easy. There are professionals on the other side, too. If you can complete just one ten yard pass every four downs, you'll score on every drive and never lose a game. Not many quarterbacks have achieved that, though.

Really? Four plays to make ten yards? Thanks for the lesson coach.... I had no idea.

Here's another more obvious tidbit... that was just one of SEVERAL bad throws by McNabb yesterday.

 

[dotman]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The "vaunted" Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all "McChokes" fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was a bad pass. Why, did I say he never makes bad passes? In fact, do you remember seeing any NFL quarterback who never made a bad pass? Is that the bar we've set for McNabb now? 100% perfection?

Don't forget, Basket had another crossing route that bounced right off his chest in stride. And Warner overthrew a free running Boldin down the middle of the field. But the Eagles D couldn't hold the lead McNabb gave them, so Donovan takes all the criticism from the simpletons....again.

Wait, you're comparing Warner's accuracy as a passer with McNabb's?

Not at all, Warner is one of the most accurate passers in the league. And even he misses surefire big plays because of errant throws. There was also a couple bad throws that Fitz hauled in and Warner threw one at Leonard Pope's feet that he hauled in. My point was just that too much emphasis of the loss was placed on McNabb, that's all. Most of the McNabb haters were gushing about how it was the Eagles defense that carried them in the last 6 weeks, so how come when the defense gives up 32 and creates 0 turnovers and has boneheaded penalties, McNabb gets the most blame for the loss. McNabb came through in the clutch. Giving up an 8 minute game winning TD drive in the 4th quarter after your offense just gave you the lead, that is choking.

 

[renesauz]

I also believe that if the defense had contained Warner & Co. at all in the first half, you could say the same about them, however that's less clear how much that's a defensive failure versus simply an offense that was hitting on all cylinders with some great players.

True. Also, as much as the defense is getting criticized, they essentially as a whole performed the same way McNabb did...terrible in the first half, great in the 3rd quarter and the beginning of the 4th, and then poor again at the end of the game.But we don't see JuniorNB defending the defense like he is McNabb, do we?

Maybe because it's a TEAM GAME. It's one thing for an individual player to miss a couple of plays. But when the entire UNIT is missing plays, it's a different story.The Cardinals were hitting on all cylinders, but thee Eagles defense in the first half was also missing a lot of plays they normally make. Dawkins slow to pick up Fitzgerald over the middle, a dozen missed tackles they normally make, several other missed assignments, etc.

 

[Yenrub]

I also believe that if the defense had contained Warner & Co. at all in the first half, you could say the same about them, however that's less clear how much that's a defensive failure versus simply an offense that was hitting on all cylinders with some great players.

True. Also, as much as the defense is getting criticized, they essentially as a whole performed the same way McNabb did...terrible in the first half, great in the 3rd quarter and the beginning of the 4th, and then poor again at the end of the game.

But we don't see JuniorNB defending the defense like he is McNabb, do we?

Is there really any defense for the #3 defense in the league surrendering 32 points in a championship game?The Cardinals essentially walked the dog every TD scoring drive. No short fields.

80 yards, 62 yards, 73 yards and 72 yards.

 

[dotman]

I also believe that if the defense had contained Warner & Co. at all in the first half, you could say the same about them, however that's less clear how much that's a defensive failure versus simply an offense that was hitting on all cylinders with some great players.

But we don't see JuniorNB defending the defense like he is McNabb, do we?

Is anyone saying that we will never win a Superbowl with this defense? Or that they are choke artists and that we should rebuild the defense? All the criticism the defense received is warranted, while only some of the criticism McNabb gets is warranted...that's the difference.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I also believe that if the defense had contained Warner & Co. at all in the first half, you could say the same about them, however that's less clear how much that's a defensive failure versus simply an offense that was hitting on all cylinders with some great players.

True. Also, as much as the defense is getting criticized, they essentially as a whole performed the same way McNabb did...terrible in the first half, great in the 3rd quarter and the beginning of the 4th, and then poor again at the end of the game.But we don't see JuniorNB defending the defense like he is McNabb, do we?

Maybe because it's a TEAM GAME. It's one thing for an individual player to miss a couple of plays. But when the entire UNIT is missing plays, it's a different story.

True, but when a QB is not playing well, an offense is almost never going to function well. That should go without saying. Yesterday was a good example. In the quarter and a half where McNabb and the defense were playing well, they outscored the Cardinals 19-0. In the two and a quarters where McNabb and the defense did not play well, they were outscored 32-6.

Is there really any defense for the #3 defense in the league surrendering 32 points in a championship game?

No, but them being the 3rd ranked defense is kind of irrelevant to this particular point. McNabb and the defense both struggled for about the same amount of time yesterday, yet some would have us believe that McNabb played well while the defense is largely to blame for the loss.

 

[renesauz]

I also believe that if the defense had contained Warner & Co. at all in the first half, you could say the same about them, however that's less clear how much that's a defensive failure versus simply an offense that was hitting on all cylinders with some great players.

True. Also, as much as the defense is getting criticized, they essentially as a whole performed the same way McNabb did...terrible in the first half, great in the 3rd quarter and the beginning of the 4th, and then poor again at the end of the game.But we don't see JuniorNB defending the defense like he is McNabb, do we?

Maybe because it's a TEAM GAME. It's one thing for an individual player to miss a couple of plays. But when the entire UNIT is missing plays, it's a different story.

True, but when a QB is not playing well, an offense is almost never going to function well. That should go without saying. Yesterday was a good example. In the quarter and a half where McNabb and the defense were playing well, they outscored the Cardinals 19-0. In the two and a quarters where McNabb and the defense did not play well, they were outscored 32-6.

Is there really any defense for the #3 defense in the league surrendering 32 points in a championship game?

No, but them being the 3rd ranked defense is kind of irrelevant to this particular point. McNabb and the defense both struggled for about the same amount of time yesterday, yet some would have us believe that McNabb played well while the defense is largely to blame for the loss.

That "struggling" offense actually moved the ball fairly well in the first half. They didn't come away with a ton of points, but they moved the ball, and it was this that limited the Cardinal's offense to just 4 possessions. If they had truly struggled (3 and outs), the defense might have given up 34 points instead of 24. The Eagles offense was a little bit off in the first half...they were hardly disastrous.

 

[JuniorNB]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The “vaunted” Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all “McChokes” fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was a bad pass. Why, did I say he never makes bad passes? In fact, do you remember seeing any NFL quarterback who never made a bad pass? Is that the bar we've set for McNabb now? 100% perfection?

Here's a little unknown tidbit I'll share with you....The league gives you four downs to get ten yards. The reason? a ten yard completion isn't easy. There are professionals on the other side, too. If you can complete just one ten yard pass every four downs, you'll score on every drive and never lose a game. Not many quarterbacks have achieved that, though.

Really? Four plays to make ten yards? Thanks for the lesson coach.... I had no idea.

Here's another more obvious tidbit... that was just one of SEVERAL bad throws by McNabb yesterday.

Yeah I know. And 375 yards and 3 TDs worth of good ones. Stick around, son. I'll teach you much more. By the way, Mcnabb had a 97.4 passer rating yesterday. I don't know much. Is that good? how does that compare to the league average? The league postseason average? And the league, post season road average?

 

[Tong Po]

Once again the QB gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss

The “vaunted” Eagle defense gave up 32 points, surrendering the lead on a 14 play 72 yard 8 minute touchdown scoring drive late in the 4th quarter.

Yet somehow its all “McChokes” fault they lost

And Mcnabb procedes to march them back down the field to have it end when Curtis drps a perfectly thrown 4th and 10 pass.

If McNabb weren't such a choker, he'd have been a team-leader and demanded that Reid let him take the field as a defender to stop the Cradinals drive and he would have caught his own pass at teh end.

Sorry, that was far from a perfectly thrown pass.

No, I'm sorry. When the pass actually hits the receiver, the quarterback has done his job.

Oh I see... so when McNabb hit a free running Hank Baskett in the ankles on a slant pattern with nobody near him... he did his job?

No, that was a bad pass. Why, did I say he never makes bad passes? In fact, do you remember seeing any NFL quarterback who never made a bad pass? Is that the bar we've set for McNabb now? 100% perfection?

Here's a little unknown tidbit I'll share with you....The league gives you four downs to get ten yards. The reason? a ten yard completion isn't easy. There are professionals on the other side, too. If you can complete just one ten yard pass every four downs, you'll score on every drive and never lose a game. Not many quarterbacks have achieved that, though.

Really? Four plays to make ten yards? Thanks for the lesson coach.... I had no idea.

Here's another more obvious tidbit... that was just one of SEVERAL bad throws by McNabb yesterday.

Yeah I know. And 375 yards and 3 TDs worth of good ones. Stick around, son. I'll teach you much more. By the way, Mcnabb had a 97.4 passer rating yesterday. I don't know much. Is that good? how does that compare to the league average? The league postseason average? And the league, post season road average?

That's probably just above the league average. And that's exactly where McNabb will take you.

 

[mbuehner]

That's probably just above the league average. And that's exactly where McNabb will take you.

97.4 would have tied McNabb for 2nd in the league during the regular season and 2nd in the league in the post-season. Anything over 90 is really good.

 

[Tong Po]

That's probably just above the league average. And that's exactly where McNabb will take you.

97.4 would have tied McNabb for 2nd in the league during the regular season and 2nd in the league in the post-season. Anything over 90 is really good.

I guess it's too bad a good QB rating doesn't always translate to Superbowl wins. And it isn't that what we're shooting for here?

 

[spacevan]

I really want McNabb sitting next to me at my dinner table when I've heated up my Campbells soup and it's too hot to eat..... Cuz this guy really blows.

 

[mbuehner]

That's probably just above the league average. And that's exactly where McNabb will take you.

97.4 would have tied McNabb for 2nd in the league during the regular season and 2nd in the league in the post-season. Anything over 90 is really good.

I guess it's too bad a good QB rating doesn't always translate to Superbowl wins. And it isn't that what we're shooting for here?

Ask that loser Dan Marino. And pick an argument and stick to it. QB rating is either important or its not.