Don't like the way Bush is being used (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

Why was he not in the game more with the first teams ALONG with Deuce.

He should be the slot WR in all 3 WR formations on 1st or 2nd w/Duece as the single back or behind an HB. Then he should be the tailback in all 3rd or long 2nd situations.

Let Deuce wear them down and use Reggie on the majority of snaps as either a receiving HB or a slot WR. Use alot of motion to create defensive mismatches.

At SC, you could leave Reggie on the bench since their slot WRs already had such an advantage over their competion. That's not the case with the Saints. GET YOUR BEST PLAYER ON THE FIELD.

Look at the things he was doing tonight in place of Deuce. Get them out there TOGETHER with the first team at least on 3 WR sets.

 

[lebowski]

Reggie owner

 

[PatsWillWin]

You forgot to mention, he didn't return one of the kicks. Oh and he's not being used on defense at all. Also, looked like they could really use some help selling peanuts in the stands.

 

[jbird]

Less film on Reggie for future opponents to look at. I expect big things from Bush if the NO offense can stay on the field.

 

[LawFitz]

Reggie owner

Lucky.

 

[StuntRock]

If Bush turns out to be a bust, how many people will attribute it to a team "mis-using" him. Can't it just be his own fault? People expect him to push Deuce out of NOLA, are they then going to turn around and complain he's being "mis-used" when they force him to run between the tackles?

I don't think Bush is a sure thing either way, but if he turns out to be a stud RB, do you think people will really go, "Man, Bush is nothing without the Saints man, they really used him well..."? I guess we'll know when the season starts, but jeez, cut the Saints some slack.

 

[fsufan]

did you think he was going to have a 44 yard run every game

 

[LawFitz]

If Bush turns out to be a bust, how many people will attribute it to a team "mis-using" him. Can't it just be his own fault? People expect him to push Deuce out of NOLA, are they then going to turn around and complain he's being "mis-used" when they force him to run between the tackles? I don't think Bush is a sure thing either way, but if he turns out to be a stud RB, do you think people will really go, "Man, Bush is nothing without the Saints man, they really used him well..."?

Pounding a rare talent like RB (his initials are RB!) into the heart of the line is just stupid. Like Theezman said, he needs to get the ball in space. He's a space player.

 

[SSOG]

For all the hype Bush got for having a good preseason game last week, somehow I suspect that he's not going to get slagged off for having a poor preseason game this week. That, to me, sounds a lot like a case of Bush owners only seeing what they want to see.

 

[Lauryn]

omg it's the saints, do you expect them to use anyone or do ANYTHING right?

 

[LawFitz]

did you think he was going to have a 44 yard run every game

???When did I mention a disappointment with his performance? The guy is clearly an elite talent, even at this level and I just don't think the Saints are using him properly.I don't think Reg should be used as a 1st down or short down primary tailback. That's why it's great that Deuce is still there. Reg should be used in the flats as a receiving runningback or slot WR on receiving downs with Deuce in also.Deuce between the tackles. Reggie in space. Worked quite well at SC.

 

[duaneok66]

For all the hype Bush got for having a good preseason game last week, somehow I suspect that he's not going to get slagged off for having a poor preseason game this week. That, to me, sounds a lot like a case of Bush owners only seeing what they want to see.

amen . . .they sound like Vick . . . he is the reason the Falcons win, but when they lose, he is not to blame . . .

 

[Two Deep]

Here is the thing I think he has great potential to make an impact in certain areas of the game, but you can also see he will be limited in other areas, welcome to the pros. One thing I do know their going to need a gism towel in the booth during the N.O. games.

 

[jurb26]

For all the hype Bush got for having a good preseason game last week, somehow I suspect that he's not going to get slagged off for having a poor preseason game this week. That, to me, sounds a lot like a case of Bush owners only seeing what they want to see.

Maybe because even though the stats are less than ideal the talent and promise is clear as day to see. He is going to be electrifying when featured. My lord even the anouncers can see it.I don't own Bush in any leagues right now.

 

[dickey moe]

The god-like status people are giving to this guy is laughable. There are gonna be a LOT of disappointed Bush owners this season.

 

[LawFitz]

For all the hype Bush got for having a good preseason game last week, somehow I suspect that he's not going to get slagged off for having a poor preseason game this week. That, to me, sounds a lot like a case of Bush owners only seeing what they want to see.

amen . . .they sound like Vick . . . he is the reason the Falcons win, but when they lose, he is not to blame . . .

Not a Bush owner or Trojan or Saints fan. But it's very clear to me that this kid is gonna be sick. Any doubts I had are gone assuming a healthy season. Even if the Saints continue to misuse him, I'm still sorry about not making a more aggressive move in my drafts to get this guy on my team.

 

[fsufan]

did you think he was going to have a 44 yard run every game

???When did I mention a disappointment with his performance? The guy is clearly an elite talent, even at this level and I just don't think the Saints are using him properly.I don't think Reg should be used as a 1st down or short down primary tailback. That's why it's great that Deuce is still there. Reg should be used in the flats as a receiving runningback or slot WR on receiving downs with Deuce in also.Deuce between the tackles. Reggie in space. Worked quite well at SC.

what round did you draft Reggie in

 

[PatsWillWin]

did you think he was going to have a 44 yard run every game

???When did I mention a disappointment with his performance? The guy is clearly an elite talent, even at this level and I just don't think the Saints are using him properly.I don't think Reg should be used as a 1st down or short down primary tailback. That's why it's great that Deuce is still there. Reg should be used in the flats as a receiving runningback or slot WR on receiving downs with Deuce in also.Deuce between the tackles. Reggie in space. Worked quite well at SC.

Man - do you not see that not only is this the PRE-SEASON, but it's also NOT COLLEGE?

 

[CalBear]

Every running back needs to be able to run into the line. (Warrick Dunn runs into the line.) The fastest way to get into open space is through the line.

 

[LawFitz]

Maybe because even though the stats are less than ideal the talent and promise is clear as day to see. He is going to be electrifying when featured.

Exactly. The big plays won't come every quarter. But just seeing him so far you can tell that you'll see at least one or two per game. Kid is sick. Are you guys watching him or just reading the stat lines?

 

[StuntRock]

For all the hype Bush got for having a good preseason game last week, somehow I suspect that he's not going to get slagged off for having a poor preseason game this week. That, to me, sounds a lot like a case of Bush owners only seeing what they want to see.

amen . . .they sound like Vick . . . he is the reason the Falcons win, but when they lose, he is not to blame . . .

Certainly, the way the media has been gushing over everything Bush does, it's reminiscent of Vick."ALERT! REGGIE BUSH TOOK A NAP! IS THERE ANYTHING THIS KID CANT DO?!?!"

 

[my man otis]

Why was he not in the game more with the first teams ALONG with Deuce.He should be the slot WR in all 3 WR formations on 1st or 2nd w/Duece as the single back or behind an HB. Then he should be the tailback in all 3rd or long 2nd situations.Let Deuce wear them down and use Reggie on the majority of snaps as either a receiving HB or a slot WR. Use alot of motion to create defensive mismatches.At SC, you could leave Reggie on the bench since their slot WRs already had such an advantage over their competion. That's not the case with the Saints. GET YOUR BEST PLAYER ON THE FIELD.Look at the things he was doing tonight in place of Deuce. Get them out there TOGETHER with the first team at least on 3 WR sets.

With all due respect, no f'in way. No way Bush is a better professional WR now than Henderson or Johnson. That's just coaching stupidity.This is professional football, not USC anymore.

 

[Shermanator]

If Bush turns out to be a bust, how many people will attribute it to a team "mis-using" him. Can't it just be his own fault? People expect him to push Deuce out of NOLA, are they then going to turn around and complain he's being "mis-used" when they force him to run between the tackles? I don't think Bush is a sure thing either way, but if he turns out to be a stud RB, do you think people will really go, "Man, Bush is nothing without the Saints man, they really used him well..."? I guess we'll know when the season starts, but jeez, cut the Saints some slack.

Yes, baring injuries, he is as cant miss as they come.

 

[fsufan]

but it's also NOT COLLEGE?

Did you see Bush try to get to the corner on the 2nd and 1 play and Ware ran him to the sideline. So many rookie RBs think they can get to the corner in the NFL.

 

[jurb26]

Every running back needs to be able to run into the line. (Warrick Dunn runs into the line.) The fastest way to get into open space is through the line.

The Saints simply are not running him to the inside at all thus far. I think that is a mistake. The Dal D has ben rushing to the edge every time he is in the game almost as though they know that is where the play is going.

 

[my man otis]

but it's also NOT COLLEGE?

Did you see Bush try to get to the corner on the 2nd and 1 play and Ware ran him to the sideline. So many rookie RBs think they can get to the corner in the NFL.

hallelujah

 

[LawFitz]

With all due respect, no f'in way. No way Bush is a better professional WR now than Henderson or Johnson. That's just coaching stupidity.This is professional football, not USC anymore.

Rank his receiving how you choose, but I think the kid would be an INCREDIBLE WR if he wasn't such a good RB. Much better than Henderson or Johnson.Bush is just a rare player. Not a RB, a WR, but a football player.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

To all the Reggie owners relax - I'm watching the game - the only time the Saints offence had any life was when they had Bush in for the whole series

It will come apparent to NO and Payton very soon that they need Reggie on the field for the majority of downs

 

[jurb26]

With all due respect, no f'in way. No way Bush is a better professional WR now than Henderson or Johnson. That's just coaching stupidity.This is professional football, not USC anymore.

Many scouts felt that had Bush played and concentrated on WR in college more as well as choose to come out as a WR. He still would have been the #1 WR taken in the NFL draft. Maybe just hype, but still I recall hearing this a few times.

 

[StuntRock]

To all the Reggie owners relax - I'm watching the game - the only time the Saints offence had any life was when they had Bush in for the whole seriesIt will come apparent to NO and Payton very soon that they need Reggie on the field for the majority of downs

Correlation is not causation

 

[tommyGunZ]

For all the hype Bush got for having a good preseason game last week, somehow I suspect that he's not going to get slagged off for having a poor preseason game this week. That, to me, sounds a lot like a case of Bush owners only seeing what they want to see.

Maybe because even though the stats are less than ideal the talent and promise is clear as day to see. He is going to be electrifying when featured. My lord even the anouncers can see it.I don't own Bush in any leagues right now.

He's LaDainian with a bit more quicks, and a bit less power.

 

[duaneok66]

To all the Reggie owners relax - I'm watching the game - the only time the Saints offence had any life was when they had Bush in for the whole seriesIt will come apparent to NO and Payton very soon that they need Reggie on the field for the majority of downs

Correlation is not causation

classic . . .

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

To all the Reggie owners relax - I'm watching the game - the only time the Saints offence had any life was when they had Bush in for the whole series

It will come apparent to NO and Payton very soon that they need Reggie on the field for the majority of downs

Correlation is not causation

classic . . .

Okay I'll biteTell me why the NO offence marched within the DAL 5 when Reggie was featured. Considering an A and B relationship

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_i...ogical_fallacy)

* (1.) B may be the cause of A, or

* (2.) some unknown third factor is actually the cause of the relationship between A and B, or

* (3.) the "relationship" is so complex it can be labelled coincidental (i.e., two events occurring at the same time that have no simple relationship to each other besides the fact that they are occurring at the same time).

* (4.) B may be the cause of A at the same time as A is the cause of B (contradicting that the only relationship between A and B is that A causes B)

 

[mojorizin]

Lemme get this straight.......

We're supposed to freak out because a gifted athlete who has played all of about 5 downs of pseudo-make-believe-sorta NFL football isnt the starting RB? I'm sure he knows at least 10% of the offensive playbook by now.

If you want a place where guys with nothing more than God given ability and no clue how to play take over a team immediately, please check out the NBA.

 

[LawFitz]

Lemme get this straight.......We're supposed to freak out because a gifted athlete who has played all of about 5 downs of pseudo-make-believe-sorta NFL football isnt the starting RB? I'm sure he knows at least 10% of the offensive playbook by now.If you want a place where guys with nothing more than God given ability and no clue how to play take over a team immediately, please check out the NBA.

Point taken.But when the season in in flow, I want to see Reggie and Deuce in together. It'll give both backs a better chance at health and success.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I like Bush's prospects for the future, especially if they line him up all over the place, but he's been less than inspiring on all but one play in the preseason, IMO.

 

[Canuckleheads]

omg it's the saints, do you expect them to use anyone or do ANYTHING right?

 

[my man otis]

With all due respect, no f'in way. No way Bush is a better professional WR now than Henderson or Johnson. That's just coaching stupidity.

This is professional football, not USC anymore.

Rank his receiving how you choose, but I think the kid would be an INCREDIBLE WR if he wasn't such a good RB. Much better than Henderson or Johnson.Bush is just a rare player. Not a RB, a WR, but a football player.

wow does this sound eerily similar to what everyone was saying about Vick a few years ago.i'm sure bush has great receiving skills, but he's not a good professional WR right now. It's an impossibility.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I like Bush's prospects for the future, especially if they line him up all over the place, but he's been less than inspiring on all but one play in the preseason, IMO.

We disagree here. I think he was pretty impressive on two occassions tonight...both times when he was in the open field (the 9 yard run, and the reception for about 15 yards).You can't expect him to bust a huge play every game...especially when he's only getting 10 touches a game in the preseason.He's a special player. He's proving that. People are SEVERELY overreacting, BOTH ways, on Reggie (and everyone else) this preseason.I know we have nothing else to talk about, so we're going to evaluate every little thing, but I feel like I keep having to remind everyone that. People are going nuts over the littlest things this preseason.

 

[StuntRock]

To all the Reggie owners relax - I'm watching the game - the only time the Saints offence had any life was when they had Bush in for the whole series

It will come apparent to NO and Payton very soon that they need Reggie on the field for the majority of downs

Correlation is not causation

classic . . .

Okay I'll biteTell me why the NO offence marched within the DAL 5 when Reggie was featured. Considering an A and B relationship

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_i...ogical_fallacy)

* (1.) B may be the cause of A, or

* (2.) some unknown third factor is actually the cause of the relationship between A and B, or

* (3.) the "relationship" is so complex it can be labelled coincidental (i.e., two events occurring at the same time that have no simple relationship to each other besides the fact that they are occurring at the same time).

* (4.) B may be the cause of A at the same time as A is the cause of B (contradicting that the only relationship between A and B is that A causes B)

Allow me to add the first part of that, which you left off, and add the real examples we're looking at here.Note, since you seem to be arguing that Bush's presence (and not his performance alone) are the cause of the improved play. It is on the basis of this assumption that I have discarded reasons #1, #2, and #4. If I were to change my assumption that you're arguing that Bush's performance on that drive is what led to the improved play, then 1 and 2 apply, and you are still committing a logical fallacy.

Because it is erroneously assumed that A (Bush's presence) must be causing B (The Saint's offense playing well), this is a logical fallacy because there are at least four other possibilities:

(1.) B (The Saints offense playing well) may be the cause of A (Bush's presence), or (We can safely discard this)

(2.) some unknown third factor is actually the cause of the relationship between A and B, or (We can discard this as well)

(3.) the "relationship" is so complex it can be labelled coincidental (i.e., two events occurring at the same time that have no simple relationship to each other besides the fact that they are occurring at the same time).

This however, does apply. Bush played well on that drive, but to credit him for providing a spark by his mere presence cannot be reasonbly argued. What about other factors, such as better playcalling, or better performance by each of the other 10 individuals on the field? What about Drew Brees actually making completions? What about Donte Stallworth making a nice little extra effort? Can you, in any way, explain how Bush's mere presence on the offense would explain this? You can't.

(4.) B may be the cause of A at the same time as A is the cause of B (contradicting that the only relationship between A and B is that A causes B) (We can also discard this)

No matter which way you slice it, you can't logically state that Bush's mere presence was the cause of improved play. I'm guessing that I'm just bored and too intent on putting off my reading for Torts, but it seems like you totally misread that wikipedia article.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

For all the hype Bush got for having a good preseason game last week, somehow I suspect that he's not going to get slagged off for having a poor preseason game this week. That, to me, sounds a lot like a case of Bush owners only seeing what they want to see.

Reality check time, you're going to see plenty of Bush hate.It seems to me like the haters are grabbing for straws much more than the lovers are.

 

[jurb26]

Kid of hard to look at this drive and not see how directly responsible for the success of the series Bush was:

1-10-NO31 (3:27) R.Bush left guard to NO 33 for 2 yards (M.Spears).2-8-NO33 (2:54) D.Brees pass short left to D.Stallworth to NO 42 for 9 yards. Pass complete left sideline.1-10-NO42 (2:37) D.Brees pass short middle to J.Horn pushed ob at DAL 30 for 28 yards (A.Henry). Pass complete on curl.1-10-DAL30 (2:18) R.Bush right end to DAL 21 for 9 yards (B.James).2-1-DAL21 (2:00) R.Bush left end to DAL 22 for -1 yards (A.Henry).3-2-DAL22 (1:55) D.Brees pass short right to R.Bush to DAL 11 for 11 yards (G.Ellis). Screen pass right.1-10-DAL11 (1:12) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to M.Karney. Pass incomplete right flat at the 10.2-10-DAL11 (1:06) D.Brees pass short left to R.Bush to DAL 8 for 3 yards (D.Ware). Quick out left sideline.3-7-DAL8 16) D.Brees pass to D.Stallworth to DAL 2 for 6 yards (B.James). Pass complete middle.4-1-DAL2 02) D.Brees pass incomplete to M.Colston. Pass thrown left sideline 2 yards deep end zone; Henry closeset defender.

Bush basically accounted for 41 of the drives 68 yds either by carrying, catching or occupying the D via PA. It was blatently obvious that with Bush in the game the D was far more tentetive to blitz, create pressure and the field was opened up because of the Ds heavy concentration on him. I don't think it takes anything more than a pair of eyes and common sense to have noticed this.

 

[StuntRock]

Kid of hard to look at this drive and not see how directly responsible for the success of the series Bush was:

1-10-NO31 (3:27) R.Bush left guard to NO 33 for 2 yards (M.Spears).2-8-NO33 (2:54) D.Brees pass short left to D.Stallworth to NO 42 for 9 yards. Pass complete left sideline.1-10-NO42 (2:37) D.Brees pass short middle to J.Horn pushed ob at DAL 30 for 28 yards (A.Henry). Pass complete on curl.1-10-DAL30 (2:18) R.Bush right end to DAL 21 for 9 yards (B.James).2-1-DAL21 (2:00) R.Bush left end to DAL 22 for -1 yards (A.Henry).3-2-DAL22 (1:55) D.Brees pass short right to R.Bush to DAL 11 for 11 yards (G.Ellis). Screen pass right.1-10-DAL11 (1:12) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to M.Karney. Pass incomplete right flat at the 10.2-10-DAL11 (1:06) D.Brees pass short left to R.Bush to DAL 8 for 3 yards (D.Ware). Quick out left sideline.3-7-DAL8 16) D.Brees pass to D.Stallworth to DAL 2 for 6 yards (B.James). Pass complete middle.4-1-DAL2 02) D.Brees pass incomplete to M.Colston. Pass thrown left sideline 2 yards deep end zone; Henry closeset defender.

Bush basically accounted for 41 of the drives 68 yds either by carrying, catching or occupying the D via PA. It was blatently obvious that with Bush in the game the D was far more tentetive to blitz, create pressure and the field was opened up because of the Ds heavy concentration on him. I don't think it takes anything more than a pair of eyes and common sense to have noticed this.

2 + 9 + -1 +11 + 3 = 24, not 41. And, if you're trying to argue that it was Bush's performance alone that provided the spark for New Orleans, then at look my previous post. Bush's performance could very well be impatced by the fact that Drew Brees wasn't horrible, thus preventing the Cowboys from dropping 8 into the box every play. It could be a result of better playcalling (because it was pretty awful the first few series). It could be a result of the offensive line performing better during that drive. So B (The Saint's offense playing better) could reasonbly be the cause of A (Reggie Bush's performance). Saying that Bush's presence alone is what led to the defense being tenative to blitz and create pressure is falling under the same fallacy, because there could be plenty of other reasonable explanations for the playcalling of the Dallas defense, and for their performance. Pointing at those numbers and saying "Well it's OBVIOUS, just use common sense" does not erase the logical fallacy from your statement. Nor have you convincingly explained how this is NOT a logical fallacy. Accusing me of not using common sense while failing to apply simple logic to your own statements does somehow magically make you right. Bush could very well be a good back, but claiming that either his mere presence or his performance alone is the cause for the vastly improved play of the Saints offense, or is responsible for degraded play of the defense, is still a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument.Edited for typos.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Lemme get this straight.......We're supposed to freak out because a gifted athlete who has played all of about 5 downs of pseudo-make-believe-sorta NFL football isnt the starting RB? I'm sure he knows at least 10% of the offensive playbook by now.If you want a place where guys with nothing more than God given ability and no clue how to play take over a team immediately, please check out the NBA.

Point taken.But when the season in in flow, I want to see Reggie and Deuce in together. It'll give both backs a better chance at health and success.

I bet you won't see that at all until regular season - Payton won't tip his hand. If he's gonna do it, it won't be for a nothing game.Same reason many teams run very vanilla D's in the preseason - why show your goods before the prom?Of course, this then makes you draft in a real 'buyer beware' situation - you have no proof that they will be utilized at the same time except for a coaches promise -- which isn't worth the paper it's printed on the next day. Until McAllister shows me his ACL is back to snuff I'm assuming split carries which might hurt both RBs. Right now, they won't push him (Duece) too hard so we won't know for some time his current ability.Eventually, given the money, hype and 'butts in seats' effect - Bush will likely take over. But NO will want to showcase Duece and see if they can sell him off at some point.IMO.

 

[jurb26]

Pointing at those numbers and saying "Well it's OBVIOUS, just use common sense" does not erase the logical fallacy from your statement. Nor have you convincingly explained how this is NOT a logical fallacy. Accusing me of not using common sense while failing to apply simple logic to your own statements does not win the argument. Bush could very well be a good back, but claiming that either his mere presence is still a post hoc ergo propter hoc statement.

If you where using common sense then you would acknowledge that the key play on that drive was the PA pass in which not only all 3 LBs run up field to the left sideline overcommiting to Bush, but T. Newman also pealed off of J.Horn as he peaked in the backfield to spy on Bush thus freeing Horn for a huge gain in wide open space. It really does not get any easier than that play right there.

 

[StuntRock]

Pointing at those numbers and saying "Well it's OBVIOUS, just use common sense" does not erase the logical fallacy from your statement. Nor have you convincingly explained how this is NOT a logical fallacy. Accusing me of not using common sense while failing to apply simple logic to your own statements does not win the argument. Bush could very well be a good back, but claiming that either his mere presence is still a post hoc ergo propter hoc statement.

If you where using common sense then you would acknowledge that the key play on that drive was the PA pass in which not only all 3 LBs run up field to the left sideline overcommiting to Bush, but T. Newman also pealed off of J.Horn as he peaked in the backfield to spy on Bush thus freeing Horn for a huge gain in wide open space. It really does not get any easier than that play right there.

Playaction might've worked just as well with Bush. It might've worked less effectively if the rest of the offense didn't perform their part correctly. If a block were missed, or Brees didn't sell the defense. If a wide receiver missed his route. It's a preason game going up against a vanilla defense. I'd attribute that to playcalling... crediting Bush with yardage generated as a direct result of a play-action pass called by his coach isn't really common sense either. However, I sure do wish that my fantasy league would apply the yardage from play-action passes to my running backs totals. Hell, going by your logic, we should credit the entire offense for it really. You keep tossing this word "common sense" around, but the fact is, you're using this as sort of a nebulous term which apparently means you are right and I am wrong, and that you don't have to prove it with any sort of evidence or coherant logical reasoning. I would argue that I'm applying common sense perfectly well, and that attributing that entire offensive turnaround to Bush alone is a leap that goes beyond common sense. I suspect this will just lead to another reply where you say "You need to use common sense", but I figure it was worth the effort.

 

[jurb26]

Pointing at those numbers and saying "Well it's OBVIOUS, just use common sense" does not erase the logical fallacy from your statement. Nor have you convincingly explained how this is NOT a logical fallacy. Accusing me of not using common sense while failing to apply simple logic to your own statements does not win the argument. Bush could very well be a good back, but claiming that either his mere presence is still a post hoc ergo propter hoc statement.

If you where using common sense then you would acknowledge that the key play on that drive was the PA pass in which not only all 3 LBs run up field to the left sideline overcommiting to Bush, but T. Newman also pealed off of J.Horn as he peaked in the backfield to spy on Bush thus freeing Horn for a huge gain in wide open space. It really does not get any easier than that play right there.

Playaction might've worked just as well with Deuce. It's a preason game going up against a vanilla defense. I'd attribute that to playcalling... crediting Bush with yardage generated as a direct result of a play-action pass called by his coach isn't really common sense either. However, I sure do wish that my fantasy league would apply the yardage from play-action passes to my running backs totals.

NO ran several PA's with Deuce in the game on the 1st 3 drives. Why didn't it work as well then?

 

[Keys Myaths]

Pointing at those numbers and saying "Well it's OBVIOUS, just use common sense" does not erase the logical fallacy from your statement. Nor have you convincingly explained how this is NOT a logical fallacy. Accusing me of not using common sense while failing to apply simple logic to your own statements does not win the argument. Bush could very well be a good back, but claiming that either his mere presence is still a post hoc ergo propter hoc statement.

If you where using common sense then you would acknowledge that the key play on that drive was the PA pass in which not only all 3 LBs run up field to the left sideline overcommiting to Bush, but T. Newman also pealed off of J.Horn as he peaked in the backfield to spy on Bush thus freeing Horn for a huge gain in wide open space. It really does not get any easier than that play right there.

Playaction might've worked just as well with Deuce. It's a preason game going up against a vanilla defense. I'd attribute that to playcalling... crediting Bush with yardage generated as a direct result of a play-action pass called by his coach isn't really common sense either. However, I sure do wish that my fantasy league would apply the yardage from play-action passes to my running backs totals.

NO ran several PA's with Deuce in the game on the 1st 3 drives. Why didn't it work as well then?

Small sample size.Seriously, folks, stop it. You can't make broad conclusions based on ANY of this crap. Stop trying.

 

[jurb26]

Small sample size.Seriously, folks, stop it. You can't make broad conclusions based on ANY of this crap. Stop trying.

I agree, sample size is small. This is the only one we have to go on thus far though and it is a boring time of year.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Small sample size.Seriously, folks, stop it. You can't make broad conclusions based on ANY of this crap. Stop trying.

I agree, sample size is small. This is the only one we have to go on thus far though and it is a boring time of year.

Fair enough.