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Don't you love the O/D gurus? (1 Viewer)

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After watching the Brownies horrible D, will people ever learn that without players these coaches are not really gurus like they are made out to be?

Let's see:

Brian Billick the O guru in Minny - how did those Ravens Os look? How many years of failure on O?

Marvin Lewis the D guru in Baltimore - how have those Cincy Ds looked since he started there?

Romeo Crennel the D guru in NE - how have those Brown Ds looked since he started there?

Jason Garrett the O guru in Dallas - how has that O looked with Romo out?

I am sure there are many more examples .... but you get my point.

 
After watching the Brownies horrible D, will people ever learn that without players these coaches are not really gurus like they are made out to be? Let's see:Brian Billick the O guru in Minny - how did those Ravens Os look? How many years of failure on O?Marvin Lewis the D guru in Baltimore - how have those Cincy Ds looked since he started there? Romeo Crennel the D guru in NE - how have those Brown Ds looked since he started there?Jason Garrett the O guru in Dallas - how has that O looked with Romo out? I am sure there are many more examples .... but you get my point.
Dungy's Colts have been all about O.Billick and Dungy won a Supe. Should they have traded Ray Lewis and Peyton Manning to fit more into the sort of expected role here?I haven't been shy about my appreciation for Marvin and more recently what I think are some terrible decisions by him. As far as building a D goes, he's lost some awesome talent. Whether it be injury or drafting some troublemaker that was trouble. The players that stay all seem to get hurt. At LB at least, I think he gets a pass. I'm sure if we could list the # of people that play LB for them year to year, it'd be a jaw dropping #. In Baltimore, his LBs were everything to that D. Should they have drafted so many troublemakers? What about the offensive collapse this year? Questionable cuts this year. Oh there's plenty to criticize, don't get me wrong. I definitely feel for that guy in regards to LBs and building a D though.
 
After watching the Brownies horrible D, will people ever learn that without players these coaches are not really gurus like they are made out to be? Let's see:Brian Billick the O guru in Minny - how did those Ravens Os look? How many years of failure on O?Marvin Lewis the D guru in Baltimore - how have those Cincy Ds looked since he started there? Romeo Crennel the D guru in NE - how have those Brown Ds looked since he started there?Jason Garrett the O guru in Dallas - how has that O looked with Romo out? I am sure there are many more examples .... but you get my point.
Well, I agree. But - Tampa was awesome on defense for years, but then they brought in Gruden and had just the right or good enough offense to get them over the top to an NFL chamionship. In Indy, they were great on offense for years, but then Dungy comes ina gets their defense clicking for a postseason run that got them over the top to an NFL championship. Coughlin had a pretty decent offense to work with NYC, but his defense moved them through the playoffs and held NE to win a championship.
 
Bri said:
...Dungy's Colts have been all about O....
I don't think I'd completely agree with that. O has undeniably been a big part. But they have also definitely not been ALL about O. You're talking about a team that was the #1 and #2 team in defense two of the last 3 years... and the other year they ranked poorly for the season while key players were injured, but got their defense back healthy in the playoffs and won a Super Bowl. I think you can easily argue their defense was as big a factor as their offense in that Super Bowl run. They held 2 opponents below 10 points and held the Bears to 17 points and got 5 turnovers in the Super Bowl. The Colts stopped being a strictly offensive team when Dungy got there. They haven't consistently been a top defense every year, but he's lived up to his reputation of building up a good D. Which is even harder to do when you have to keep paying big money to the offensive stars that the Colts already had.
 
I agree with you that the hype for coaches like this ends up lasting far longer than warranted. Billick was still being called an offensive genius five years after the SB win as his offense continued to stink and QB after QB he/Newsome selected failed miserably. But this should not be a shock as the media annointed him a genius so therefore they keep telling us he is well after it's been proven otherwise.

However, I will give the teams that select these coaches the benefit of the doubt because it's hard to fault them for selecting a head coach who has been successful as a coordinator. I mean, do you suppose Denver's defensive coordinator is on the short list of head coaching positions for 2009? (Sorry Broncos fans.)

Furthermore, many of these coaches selected based on coordinator success have indeed made good head coaches. In fact, the list is pretty long. Ones I can easily remember from the past decade plus include:

Mike Shanahan (OC at SF 92-94), hired by Broncos in 1995

Bill Belichick (DC at NYJ 97-99), hired by Jets for one day (sorry!), then Patriots in 2000

Bill Cowher (DC at KC 89-91), hired by Steelers in 1992

Mike Holmgren (OC at SF 89-91) hired by Packers in 1992

What the above four all have in common is that they won Super Bowls and that the strength of their teams stayed on the respective side of the ball that they coached as coordinators.

In fact, these four coaches have combined to coach seven of the past 12 Super Bowl championship teams, as well as three Super Bowl appearances that ended in defeat, although one was at the hand of the other. Cowher's SB loss was SB XXX so that makes ten SB appearances in 13 seasons. (Holmgren of course had moved on and was not technically a coordinator hire in SB XL.)

 
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I don't remember anyone annointing Garrett as a Guru? Link?
You must not be watching any of the pre-game or weekly NFL shows on weekdays. You must have missed the "Fire Phillips because Garrett is anyways the real mastermind on that team....genius...blah blah blah"Yet, all we have seen is that when TO was out last year, Dallas O looked horrible and now when Romo is out, Dallas O looks horrible again. Yeah, some genius on O.
 

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