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da_budman

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according to rtsports:

Sep 4 2006 2:40PM

During his press conference Monday, Sept. 4, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid named WR Donte' Stallworth a starter at the 'X' position.

this is good news to us Stallworth owners. Not that I would start him week 1 but without playing in any preseason games he has become a starter.... I relize he would become one sooner or later but it surprizes me that it would happen opening day.... thibgs must be going well in practice :yes:

 
Wow this is excellant news for any Eagles fan or Stallworth owners. I doubt that he puts up monster numbers his first season. Do you think he can challenge Reggie for #1 spot or is it pretty locked up?

 
da_budman said:
according to rtsports:

Sep 4 2006 2:40PM

During his press conference Monday, Sept. 4, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid named WR Donte' Stallworth a starter at the 'X' position.

this is good news to us Stallworth owners. Not that I would start him week 1 but without playing in any preseason games he has become a starter.... I relize he would become one sooner or later but it surprizes me that it would happen opening day.... thibgs must be going well in practice :yes:
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Is X or Y the #1 WR position? I think its Y. What did TO play?

 
Exactly what is the X position in the Philly Offense? Is it the 3rd WR? I think some research needs to be done before we assume that he is the #2 WR.

 
regardless of if he's WR1 or WR2, i think he and reggie brown will share the load this year. I know, obvious statement, but in an Andy Reid offense, with McNabb at QB, they have never had a true WR1 (except for that TO guy). I think its back to the Trash and Stinkston days where both are average at best.

 
a_rackowski said:
Exactly what is the X position in the Philly Offense? Is it the 3rd WR? I think some research needs to be done before we assume that he is the #2 WR.
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If you count Brian Westbrook, Ryan Moats, and LJ Smith then Stallworth is the #4 option even if he is the #2 WR. If McNabb can still scramble then he's the fifth option. I think his fantasy value actually goes down in Philly.
 
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To clarify, what do players like Chris Chambers, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, TO play? Do they play the X, Y, Z??

What did TO play last season for the Eagles?

 
Doctor Detroit said:
a_rackowski said:
Exactly what is the X position in the Philly Offense? Is it the 3rd WR? I think some research needs to be done before we assume that he is the #2 WR.
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If you count Brian Westbrook, Ryan Moats, and LJ Smith then Stallworth is the #4 option even if he is the #2 WR. If McNabb can still scramble then he's the fifth option. I think his fantasy value actually goes down in Philly.
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No chance on Moats
 
RBM said:
Doctor Detroit said:
a_rackowski said:
Exactly what is the X position in the Philly Offense? Is it the 3rd WR? I think some research needs to be done before we assume that he is the #2 WR.
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If you count Brian Westbrook, Ryan Moats, and LJ Smith then Stallworth is the #4 option even if he is the #2 WR. If McNabb can still scramble then he's the fifth option. I think his fantasy value actually goes down in Philly.
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No chance on Moats
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Ok, whoever is in for Westbrook when he's hurt. Updated pecking order in Phily in passing game:1. RB#12. LJ Smith3. Reggie Brown4. Run it McNabb5. Stallworth6. Seven other TEs and WRs
 
The flanker is generally the primary option in the WCO passing game. So in terms of position that would give an advantage to Reggie Brown. However, there have been exceptions where the split end became the top WR in a WCO. I posted this in another Stallworth thread after the trade and one such example was the 97 Packers where Antonio Freeman (split end) was Green Bay's top WR ahead of Robert Brooks (flanker). Andy Reid was an assistant on that team.

The ball will go where the talent is. I like Brown quite a bit but I believe Stallworth is the more talented WR (purely subjective I realize). If that does prove to be the case, Reid will make sure the ball gets to Stallworth. My belief is that Stallworth will be a strong WR3 option this season with WR2 upside -- much like he was last season in New Orleans. I am currently viewing Brown as a fringe WR3/WR4. Again, that's just one person's opinion based on my belief that Stallworth is the superior talent.

 
a_rackowski said:
Exactly what is the X position in the Philly Offense? Is it the 3rd WR? I think some research needs to be done before we assume that he is the #2 WR.
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Y = slot X = split end (was Pinkston, now Stallworth)Z = flanker (was TO, now Brown)
 
Stallworth was the deep guy in NO, right? His role was to get deep, and allow Horn to work underneath (I could be way off base, but that was my impression). Regardless of X,Y, or Z designation, I think the same should apply in Philly.

I would imagine that Stallworth's presence should increase value of everyone in Philly except his own, ironically. By drawing coverage, things should open underneath even more for Westbrook, LJ, and especially McNabb.

 
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i still think there is an assumption that because PHI has traditionally spread the ball around so much in the past, they always will... its important to remember that for much of reid's tenure (outside the TO misadventure), they really haven't had very good WRs... with guys like pinkston, freddie mitchell, what other choice did they really have?

not that stallworth is anywhere near as good as TO, but he is arguably a lot better than just about everybody else they have had in the past...

we know westbrook, if healthy, will be involved heavily as will LJ smith... but imo it is too early to tell what the distribution will be between brown & stallworth... brown, despite his relative inexperience, probably already runs better routs & almost certainly has better hands... so he SHOULD lead in receptions... but stallworth has chance to be close (depending on variable of how long it takes him to pick up offense), but because of his explosive speed & RAC ability, could surprise with yardage & TDs...

just because guys like pinkston didn't put up great numbers doesn't mean stallworth is doomed to same lowly distribution of overall receptions... IF he is better.

that shouldn't be too hard.

 
Monse said:
Wow this is excellant news for any Eagles fan or Stallworth owners. I doubt that he puts up monster numbers his first season. Do you think he can challenge Reggie for #1 spot or is it pretty locked up?
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It's pretty locked up barring outstanding play from Stallworth or injury to Brown. Or if Brown has a sophmore slump like Clayton. I personally don't see any of those things happening though. I'd count on Brown to stay number 1.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
RBM said:
Doctor Detroit said:
a_rackowski said:
Exactly what is the X position in the Philly Offense? Is it the 3rd WR? I think some research needs to be done before we assume that he is the #2 WR.
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If you count Brian Westbrook, Ryan Moats, and LJ Smith then Stallworth is the #4 option even if he is the #2 WR. If McNabb can still scramble then he's the fifth option. I think his fantasy value actually goes down in Philly.
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No chance on Moats
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Ok, whoever is in for Westbrook when he's hurt. Updated pecking order in Phily in passing game:1. RB#12. LJ Smith3. Reggie Brown4. Run it McNabb5. Stallworth6. Seven other TEs and WRs
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Why is Stallworth automatically behind Reggie Brown? And putting "Run it McNabb" ahead of Stallworth is laughable.
 
Provy Wit said:
I heard that Stallworth will play the slot in the Eagels offense..
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I believe that the last WR of any kind of note to play the slot for the Eagles was Antonio Freeman in 2002:
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Wide Receivers+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name				 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Antonio Freeman	  | 16 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |   46   600  13.0   4 || Freddie Mitchell	 | 16 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |   12   105   8.8   0 || Todd Pinkston		| 15 |	1   -15  -15.0   0  |   60   798  13.3   7 || James Thrash		 | 16 |   18   126   7.0   2  |   52   635  12.2   6 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+
 
TheLastDispatch said:
zadok said:
Provy Wit said:
I heard that Stallworth will play the slot in the Eagels offense..
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You heard wrong. The X is not the slot. That will be occupied most times by Avant and Baskett.
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Greg lewis will see plenty of time out of the slot too. That's where he plays best.
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That's possible, but I see most of those reps going to the rookies, particularly Avant - they are much more physically apt to handle that position. But your point is well taken, getting a Safety covering Lewis is a mismatch.
 
zadok said:
packersfan said:
For those who haven't drafted yet I really think Stallworth is going to be a great value pick this year if you can snap him up as your WR3 since I think he has strong WR2 upside.

Stallworth Now Philly's No. 1 WR
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Stupid title for a non-story. :yawn: Carry on.
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If you're referring to my title, I was merely going by what is in the story: "in barely a week, Stallworth has emerged as the Eagles’ new No. 1 receiver"
 
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packersfan said:
zadok said:
packersfan said:
For those who haven't drafted yet I really think Stallworth is going to be a great value pick this year if you can snap him up as your WR3 since I think he has strong WR2 upside.

Stallworth Now Philly's No. 1 WR
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Stupid title for a non-story. :yawn: Carry on.
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If you're referring to my title, I was merely going by what is in the story: "in barely a week, Stallworth has emerged as the Eagles’ new No. 1 receiver"
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I know, I was referring to the headline of the article. Sorry for any confusion.
 
zadok said:
packersfan said:
For those who haven't drafted yet I really think Stallworth is going to be a great value pick this year if you can snap him up as your WR3 since I think he has strong WR2 upside.

Stallworth Now Philly's No. 1 WR
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Stupid title for a non-story. :yawn: Carry on.
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why, because it disagrees with what you've been saying since Stallworth signed?in anticipation of your algebra lesson as a reply, consider that Stallworth is probably the 2nd best receiver the Eagles have had in the last 5 years.

 
joffer said:
zadok said:
packersfan said:
For those who haven't drafted yet I really think Stallworth is going to be a great value pick this year if you can snap him up as your WR3 since I think he has strong WR2 upside.

Stallworth Now Philly's No. 1 WR
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Stupid title for a non-story. :yawn: Carry on.
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why, because it disagrees with what you've been saying since Stallworth signed?in anticipation of your algebra lesson as a reply, consider that Stallworth is probably the 2nd best receiver the Eagles have had in the last 5 years.
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3rd best. I'm assuming you counted Reggie Brown ahead of him, so you're forgetting T.O. :P Seriously though, I'd be really surprised if Stallworth passed Reggie on the depth chart, especially if it was early on in the season. As an Eagles fan and someone who watched every play of every game last year, Reggie's got the makings of a real standout. I'll put my money on him to be the number 1 this season barring a Michael Clayton-like sophmore slump.

 
Are we really calling Stallworth the #1 WR just because Bob Grotz said so? Anything else out there that actually came from Andy Reid? Or from anyone within the organization? Sportsline put him on top of the chart already.

 
mightyeskimo said:
Are we really calling Stallworth the #1 WR just because Bob Grotz said so? Anything else out there that actually came from Andy Reid? Or from anyone within the organization? Sportsline put him on top of the chart already.
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Bump. Anyone taking this seriously? Or am I just letting my Stallworth hate cloud my judgement?
 
mightyeskimo said:
mightyeskimo said:
Are we really calling Stallworth the #1 WR just because Bob Grotz said so? Anything else out there that actually came from Andy Reid? Or from anyone within the organization? Sportsline put him on top of the chart already.
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Bump. Anyone taking this seriously? Or am I just letting my Stallworth hate cloud my judgement?
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I'm taking it seriously but that's because I think Stallworth is more talented than Brown (who I do like quite a bit). The questions I've had with Stallworth in the past have rarely revolved around talent but rather durability and focus. But I think he's taken some big strides forward in the former (the latter remains hit or miss) and his production last season was strong. I can see him being a very nice WR2 this season if he becomes the Eagles' top receiving threat, which I believe will happen.
 
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