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Doug Baldwin WR SEA (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
To the extent he is rosterable? PPR, yes, decent bye week filler if you catch the heads week. Tails and you might get stuck with 2 or 3 point game. I said heads or tails because it seems like a coin flip is as good of indicator as anything else that T-Jax was about to put up 300+ last weekend - and it's worth noting that was a career high. Baldwin had a nice catch and run 55 yard TD week one, and another productive game this week. In between were a couple stinkers. Partly that is being an inconsistent rookie, but mostly it's an offense that already has a couple established vets who will start if healthy.I understand the Seattle WRs thusly: Rice - #1, BMW - #2, Baldwin - #3A, Obomanu - #3B. That's football wise. I think fantasy wise, it's WR2 with upside, WR2/WR3, WR4/WR5, WR4/WR5. The QB play is def a limiting factor.I like the Baldwin story. Steve Smith-type frame. Hard worker, lost his starting job before his senior year, won it back week 1, tremendous year as Luck's favorite target. Undrafted, had a great camp, coaches were really impressed with his route running and ability to pick up the offense quickly. He was also praised for his quickness off the line; not a blinding speed guy who will get behind everyone, but someone who can quickly get separation from the slot.Redraft, limited upside this year, but keep your ear to the ground. He's the kind of guy who could keep improving, or go elsewhere and get an opportunity.'Routilla said:
Been looking at him very hard but not sure what to make of him and his situation. I agree Rice will command double coverage and on The Audible FA broadcast they talked about Jackson's confidence, which can only be good for his WRs. I believe he was undrafted this year but other than BMW, who has concussion symptoms, who are they going to throw to besides Rice? I'm not sure about the RBs but Miller hasn't done much from the TE position from what I can see.
The league I'm looking at him in is a best ball league and he's has good games 50% of the time. His SOS looks good too. I'm interested in hearing other opinions.
The league I'm looking at him in is a best ball league and he's has good games 50% of the time. His SOS looks good too. I'm interested in hearing other opinions.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
He has caught my eye as well. Am mainly looking at possible WR prospects in dynasty. I honestly don't know much about him. I would think his upside is somewhat limited this year with Jackson throwing the ball and Rice/BMW there with Obamanu and Tate there. Seems like a guy who has produced with little support and much competition.
EBF
Footballguy
Watched him a lot in college. He was always a pretty good athlete, but prior to last season he was a bit player for Stanford because his hands were suspect. He really stepped up last season and became a reliable WR who made spectacular catches in addition to all the routine stuff.
I'm kinda "meh" on his dynasty potential though. He's not the biggest guy. His speed is okay, but certainly nothing special by NFL standards. I see him as kind of a lesser version of an Andre Roberts/Eddie Royal type.
Having said that, he's getting on the field early and producing as an undrafted rookie. That's no small feat.
I'm kinda "meh" on his dynasty potential though. He's not the biggest guy. His speed is okay, but certainly nothing special by NFL standards. I see him as kind of a lesser version of an Andre Roberts/Eddie Royal type.
Having said that, he's getting on the field early and producing as an undrafted rookie. That's no small feat.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Quick, good hands, nice slot receiver catch & run WR screen type guy. Rice was getting doubled a lot. Whitehurst looked pretty bad at times, so I wonder how much he'll do this year, but def a great bye week filler in redraft, hold & hope in dynasty. Kid looked impressive in preseason as well. Really like him a lot long term.
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davidbostonsbicepsfan
Footballguy
Should be noted that the touchdown could of been disputed. Defense jumped offsides and most gave up on the play leaving for a wide open reception.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And the yards?
djmich
Footballguy
They'd be called back along with the TD
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Aikman went over this during the game. He initially said that was the case but on review he changed his mind and said the DBs bit on the play fake. I didn't really pay attention to the replay to see, but Aikman reversed himself on this.eta: also not sure what you mean by disputed here. Challenged and reversed? Blown dead? Fluke? Flukes count, just like Cruz's TD.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
You don't call back a TD for an offsides.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I meant the rest of his yards and all those receptions? Should we discount them too? TDs are hit or miss anyway, but that was a fine receiving day. No need to discount it because je caught a TD on a busted play.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Which wasn't actually busted.
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
Man, what happened to Golden Tate? Too early to label him a bust?
davidbostonsbicepsfan
Footballguy
I guess the best word is fluke. No way he is that open if the play is ran as scheduled. Still great game....just adding input.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
He still wouldve had 7/109 without that catch though. Im intrigued by him, but his QB sucks, they have an above average #1WR, and he's 3rd on the depth chart. Seems too hit or miss to roster let alone consider starting.
Bye weeks and injuries forced me to start him in three dynasty leagues today...still shaking my head. Watched the game, as bad as Whitehurst looked at times, at other times he was making throws that TJax just cannot make, as a Seahawks homer I've been clamoring for Clipboard Jesus to replace him since we first signed Jackson/Rice. If he keeps the job, upgrade all your Hawks IMO.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I hope to revisit this in a few weeks when it becomes clear that CW can't read a defense, locks onto targets, has no touch on short throws and is every bit as average as TJ.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Good breakdown here.
kimbosliced
Footballguy
FWIW, people discounting this guy were saying the same things about Garcon last week (why I dropped)--Idiot me. So, I'd take a look at him. Those Targets look good too good to me.
Well Aikman was mistaken. Whitehurst's post game comments mention how he saw the D stop after Osi jumped so he launched it(oops wrong reply to)
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
When I saw the replay on halftime of SNF it looks like one guy on that side stopped because he bit on the fake and the ball was lauched over his head. Doesn't matter in the long run of the evaluation of his skills.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Doesn't mean he wouldn't have scored.
from MFL's news... Five of Doug Baldwin's eight catches went for at least 20 yards in Sunday's went over the Giants.
seems like long-distance run anomalies, aren't an anomaly.
Thoughts on Baldwin from a dynasty perspective?
seems like long-distance run anomalies, aren't an anomaly.
Thoughts on Baldwin from a dynasty perspective?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Think there might be more here than some are figuring. He had very good combine numbers. 4.49 40, 4.45 at his pro day. 37 inch vertical, 4.26 sec short shuttle, 10.3 broad jump. Also has very long arms. Combine that with the vertical and he plays more like a guy who's 6 foot than 5'10". Seattle has some good receiving weapons that he's competing with. Mike Wiliams was good last year, Sidney Rice is a #1 WR, Zach Miiller is a top flite TE eventhough he's not playing like one this year. Its not like he's doing this on the Rams who have nobody. In ppr leagues, he's the #2 scoring rookie WR behind only AJ Green.
Anyone who watches the Seahawks a lot, sees Baldwin's long term potential as a Bobby Engram with more speed. As an undrafted rookie, Baldwin has shown a knack for finding soft spots in the zone and being Seattle's most consistent WR. The fact that this guy went undrafted is an outrage, although I'm not complaining.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
After seeing his TD in Week 1, I stashed on him on two teams with deep lineups, and because of byes, I had to start him in both this past week. Granted, I still lost both games (****!), but it was still nice to see.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Same here in one league on all counts. I grabbed him after week 1, started him this week due to byes, and unless Knox goes off tonight, I'll lose too. OK, so maybe it has more to do than just byes and the fact my team just plain blows in that league, but I started him and he looked great. Now time for him to disappear for three weeks...
I'm sure you're right, I remember cursing at Charlie more than once last season for playing as bad as TJ has been this season. I was really hoping to reunite Baldwin with his college QB next season but once again, Carrol has the Hawks overachieving.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I don't think Luck was ever really on his radar, though I don't doubt he'd LOVE to use Harbaugh's boy against him twice a year. I figure he's angling for Barkley or even more ideally using the draft pick on a DL and getting Flynn (who GM Shneider drafted in GB) as a FA. However, with the rookie cap and their propensity for moves, trading up with a team that needs far more than a QB is possibly an option.Regardless, I like Baldwin. He reminds me of the DL Reed from a few years ago. Made the team by using his head and a high motor. Turns Tate and Butler (who started on the PUP after a gruesome broken leg last year), or even Obamanu who is a ST demon, into some middle level trade bait. I like the idea of Rice and Williams on the outside and Baldwin becoming a slot monster.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Never seemed to be able to get good routes down. Pretty good once the ball's in his hands.
Hooper31
Footballguy
I'm disappointed by Tate's lack of explosiveness. I was expecting more. Also, I'm seeing Tate let the ball get into his body too often. I wish I saw him snatch the ball more with his hands.Baldwin is a keeper. I think he'll be a great asset moving forward, but I have doubts he'll be the #1 fantasy WR on this roster. I can see a scenario that results in Baldwin being the top fantasy producer (team loses a ton of games). I think if the coaching staff has their way Rice and Williams will be the top producers.
bonesman
Footballguy
I'd be willing to bet that's not what the numbers say.Baldwin is looking like everything I wish Tate would be... but isn't. I've parted ways.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm not going off numbers, I'm going off what I've seen of him. I'll add "in space" to my statement. No one's going to get YAC when there's a defender on them as soon as the ball's there. If he were a better route runner, he'd get the ball in space more.
he was almost cut this summer, or rumored to be at least...ya know as much as we can call that fact
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Should be easy this week.
bye no?Generally I don't expect their QB to throw for too many yards, there's Rice and a decent D and ...I should have, but I started him for like a 30 yard game and missed the rest. I have Detroit's rook WR on my FF bench too and...what do you think Sweeney? How do you predict much for these rookie "#2 WRs"?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Dunno much about Young. I've had both on my roster but had to drop them because of byes and short benches. I see Baldwin being pretty productive even as the #3. Carroll loves big guys on the ends so Williams will be back. But QBs love their slot monsters. edited to remove stupid rumor I misread.
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pittstownkiller
Footballguy
This guy is really starting to rip it up, is his status still hinging on M. Williams return, or (as Mad Sweeney suggests) has he carved out a niche for himself? What about Obamanu; odd man out?
two_dollars
Footballguy
What's his BMI?
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
27.12; apparently he is overweight but I assume he is rather muscular. I take it that you don't care for his build and see him as a fluke; recent outings would say otherwise. He did post good numbers against NYG, and while they aren't playing lights out, they are pretty solid.
Nick Nasty
Footballguy
I'm aboard the train. Picked him up in 2 leagues
paytonsdaman
Footballguy
Obamanu/M Williams play the same position so that'll be the question. Baldwin is the unquestioned slot receiver.
Routilla
Footballguy
This was my premise used for starting this thread. Cheers!
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HellToupee
Footballguy
in last weeks matchup podcast Cosell was very positively about him
