Downgrade Jordan's catches (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.

But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

 

[MLBrandow]

In other news, Westbrook has risen to RB5.

 

[menobrown]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

Duly noted, and I'll be sure to also use the first pre-season game to complete all of my player projections.

 

[duaneok66]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

Duly noted, and I'll be sure to also use the first pre-season game to complete all of my player projections.

agreed . . . that means Moss is undraftable, he went without a catch . . .

 

[LawFitz]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

Duly noted, and I'll be sure to also use the first pre-season game to complete all of my player projections.

I'm just saying, Art Shell's systems never seemed to produce prolific reception numbers from tail backs. They seem to run up the gut or block all game.Norv Turdner's offense was weak, but one thing it did have was a RB that almost always released into the flat.I was a big backer of Jordan this time last year. I still think he's a good player, but don't think he's in a good situation given the questions at Oline and the reduced targets in the pass game, systemically speaking.His risk at his ADP is way too high for me this year. He was going in Rd 2-4 last year. This year he's a late 1st or early 2nd guy. With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

 

[Sinrman]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

Duly noted, and I'll be sure to also use the first pre-season game to complete all of my player projections.

agreed . . . that means Moss is undraftable, he went without a catch . . .

 

[MLBrandow]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

Duly noted, and I'll be sure to also use the first pre-season game to complete all of my player projections.

agreed . . . that means Moss is undraftable, he went without a catch . . .

you'll wish you hadn't drafted WR19 in the 2nd round.

 

[SSOG]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

 

[Marc Levin]

In other news, Westbrook has risen to RB5.

In PPR leagues, you are not far off - I'd call Westbrook the RB7 or RB8 in PPR leagues.

 

[Marc Levin]

This year he's a late 1st or early 2nd mid-first guy. With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Unless you are talking a 10-teamer, in which case he is a late first.Check his ADP - he's a top-8/10 drafted RB, which means he's gone by the end of the first (he has been in all three 12 team drafts and the 1 mock I have been involved in)

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Anyone who severly adjust rankings after watching the first team play one quarter of the first preseason game is not someone I would trust taking advice from.

 

[LawFitz]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.That's why I always try to take studs early in drafts regardless of position. No one's immune to busting early, but at this point, I'd take a guy like TO over Jordan in the first round in reception leagues. I think I'd even take Manning over Jordan in 6 pt per passing TD leagues.Jordan is being drafted as a stud and I don't like what Shell's offense might do to his reception stats, which were huge for him last year.One preseason game is nothing to make final conclusions on, but I thought about this since Shell was hired and brought back his old OC. How many passes were thrown to Jordan in the four series he played tonight? How many targets do you think Jordan would've gotten in four series last year?

 

[LawFitz]

This year he's a late 1st or early 2nd mid-first guy. With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Unless you are talking a 10-teamer, in which case he is a late first.Check his ADP - he's a top-8/10 drafted RB, which means he's gone by the end of the first (he has been in all three 12 team drafts and the 1 mock I have been involved in)

I have only played in 10-team leagues, so yes I am.

 

[Marc Levin]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

In my big money league, I won my super bowl two years in a row, and went to the super bowl in my third, after losing my first round pick to injury w/in the first 4 weeks of the season - three years in a row I lost my first round pick and still won lots of $$ by the end of the year.First round is important, but it is 10 moinutes of the season. I win my leagues with my work in October and November, not the work I do for 10 minutes in August.

 

[Marc Levin]

I have only played in 10-team leagues, so yes I am.

Gotcha.I recommend you step up to 12-team leagues. Much more challenging. Everyone's got a good team in a 10 team league.14 or 16 team leagues are even HARDER to win, and rely even LESS on your 1st round pick carrying you.

 

[Marc Levin]

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.

You need to learn some better in-season management skills then.You are DEFINITELY on the correct board to do that.

 

[LawFitz]

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.

You need to learn some better in-season management skills then.You are DEFINITELY on the correct board to do that.

Totally agree with that. Although this board did convince me to take JJ Arrington over Larry Johnson in Rd 5 last year, so it's always a bit of a crap shoot I guess.

 

[MLBrandow]

In other news, Westbrook has risen to RB5.

In PPR leagues, you are not far off - I'd call Westbrook the RB7 or RB8 in PPR leagues.

I have him right about there.Really think he stays healthy this year. I'm feeling Charlie Garner numbers.As per LJ, in all seriousness, I think I agree with the 40 cap. As much as shell will want to run, he's not going to kill Jordan. I'm thinking 350/40 seems like a cap to me.Of course, being that they'll be down so much, one would think that his receptions should revert to '05 anyway.

 

[Black Label Society]

Geez people. It's the first flipping game.

It's preflop for a hold em game. Nobody is showing their hands yet.

It's a glorified practice, nothing more.

The ONLY thing I took from this game was that the Raiders O line looked bad on the first 2 series.

Other than that, I'd say it's a bit early to start adjusting your rankings. For the love of god people.

Lighten up.

Make mental notes, and if things continue to look poor, then MAYBE adjust them, but to start moving people after less than 1 quarter of PRESEASON football is ludicrous.

Don't get me wrong, preseason football means ALOT to me.

I always look for teams who come out of the gates with fluidness and continuity on offense.

Denver is a team that ALWAYS looks good, even in preseason. Hence the reason they almost always have a good team. But don't jump the gun already.

 

[massraider]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.That's why I always try to take studs early in drafts regardless of position. No one's immune to busting early, but at this point, I'd take a guy like TO over Jordan in the first round in reception leagues. I think I'd even take Manning over Jordan in 6 pt per passing TD leagues.Jordan is being drafted as a stud and I don't like what Shell's offense might do to his reception stats, which were huge for him last year.One preseason game is nothing to make final conclusions on, but I thought about this since Shell was hired and brought back his old OC. How many passes were thrown to Jordan in the four series he played tonight? How many targets do you think Jordan would've gotten in four series last year?

You are reading way, way too much into a preseason game.Jordan's catches will go down, sure. They almost have to. But if you're downgrading him based on this game......dude, they started camp about 12 days ago. The Raiders have one guy playing the same position as last year (Grove). And even he played guard part of the year.It's too early for that. You start doing that stuff, are you gonna run out and pick up Wil Buchanon? Come on now.

 

[LawFitz]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.That's why I always try to take studs early in drafts regardless of position. No one's immune to busting early, but at this point, I'd take a guy like TO over Jordan in the first round in reception leagues. I think I'd even take Manning over Jordan in 6 pt per passing TD leagues.Jordan is being drafted as a stud and I don't like what Shell's offense might do to his reception stats, which were huge for him last year.One preseason game is nothing to make final conclusions on, but I thought about this since Shell was hired and brought back his old OC. How many passes were thrown to Jordan in the four series he played tonight? How many targets do you think Jordan would've gotten in four series last year?

You are reading way, way too much into a preseason game.Jordan's catches will go down, sure. They almost have to. But if you're downgrading him based on this game......dude, they started camp about 12 days ago. The Raiders have one guy playing the same position as last year (Grove). And even he played guard part of the year.It's too early for that. You start doing that stuff, are you gonna run out and pick up Wil Buchanon? Come on now.

I'm drafting this Saturday. I have to make decisions on whatever knowledge I have up until that point. I see two red flags to Jordan's catches...- Shell's systems of the past with regards to using RBs in the passing game.- How the first team offense played tonight. I saw nearly the same offense as before. Run, run, deep pass.Based on that I have adjusted Jordan's catches floor until I see otherwise from them. This was based on offseason thought and four series of affirmation. MLB makes a good point about how close the games are. I'd say 10+ catches will depend on this dynamic alone.

 

[Marc Levin]

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.

You need to learn some better in-season management skills then.You are DEFINITELY on the correct board to do that.

Totally agree with that. Although this board did convince me to take JJ Arrington over Larry Johnson in Rd 5 last year, so it's always a bit of a crap shoot I guess.

It did???Wow, not from those of us on the staff.

 

[GregR_2]

I went into tonight's game thinking the FBG projections for him may be overly optimistic for receptions, and I think his carries are closer to his upper bound than his lower.

I think deciding to drop Jordan just because of tonight's game is reading too much into it. But, as someone who thought already he's maybe going too high, neither did I see anything that made me feel more comfortable about the FBG projections for him.

 

[SSOG]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.That's why I always try to take studs early in drafts regardless of position. No one's immune to busting early, but at this point, I'd take a guy like TO over Jordan in the first round in reception leagues. I think I'd even take Manning over Jordan in 6 pt per passing TD leagues.

Jordan is being drafted as a stud and I don't like what Shell's offense might do to his reception stats, which were huge for him last year.

One preseason game is nothing to make final conclusions on, but I thought about this since Shell was hired and brought back his old OC. How many passes were thrown to Jordan in the four series he played tonight? How many targets do you think Jordan would've gotten in four series last year?

Oh, don't get me wrong... I'm low on Jordan. But I'm not low on Jordan because of tonight. I'm low on Jordan because his ypc is rubbish, his offensive line is rubbish, and Shell's never had a history of throwing to RBs. If anything, Jordan impressed me tonight, because he ran through a lot of garbage thanks to sloppy OL play, and still managed to make some stuff happen. If his OL gets it together, I think he'll have a decent year. Of course, I don't think that's going to happen.

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

In my big money league, I won my super bowl two years in a row, and went to the super bowl in my third, after losing my first round pick to injury w/in the first 4 weeks of the season - three years in a row I lost my first round pick and still won lots of $$ by the end of the year.First round is important, but it is 10 moinutes of the season. I win my leagues with my work in October and November, not the work I do for 10 minutes in August.

I was in a 10-team league with some friends back in 2004. Someone drafted Ricky Williams, Marshall Faulk, and Travis Henry with his first 3 picks. Williams retired, Faulk fell off the face of the planet (RB29), and Henry got hurt (RB73). This guy won the league that year.

I have only played in 10-team leagues, so yes I am.

Gotcha.I recommend you step up to 12-team leagues. Much more challenging. Everyone's got a good team in a 10 team league.

14 or 16 team leagues are even HARDER to win, and rely even LESS on your 1st round pick carrying you.

Ooooooh... I *STRONGLY* disagree with that. The more teams you get in your league, the more important your first round pick becomes. On one extreme end, you have a 2-team league, where if your first rounder busts, who cares, because you got Tomlinson in the second round. On the other extreme end, you have a 64 team league where, if your first rounder doesn't produce, you're screwed, because Larry Johnson or Shaun Alexander are capable of outscoring entire teams.The more teams you have, the more important your first round pick becomes. That's why I don't like adding too many teams to my leagues- it jacks the luck factor through the roof. I don't think I'd ever do a league with more than 12 teams.

Look at it this way. Last year, Shaun Alexander finished with 221 points of VBD. Chad Johnson, Mike Anderson, Peyton Manning, and Jeremy Shockey finished with 230 points. COMBINED. In other words, it would take a Johnson/Anderson/Manning/Shockey quartet to offset one of the truly elite fantasy performers... and no one in a 14-teamer is going to be capable of assembling that sort of firepower.

I have a feeling if you look at the results from 14 and 16-team leagues, a hugely disproportionate amount of them were won by the Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, or LaDainian Tomlinson owners compared to 8 or 10-team leagues.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.That's why I always try to take studs early in drafts regardless of position. No one's immune to busting early, but at this point, I'd take a guy like TO over Jordan in the first round in reception leagues. I think I'd even take Manning over Jordan in 6 pt per passing TD leagues.

Jordan is being drafted as a stud and I don't like what Shell's offense might do to his reception stats, which were huge for him last year.

One preseason game is nothing to make final conclusions on, but I thought about this since Shell was hired and brought back his old OC. How many passes were thrown to Jordan in the four series he played tonight? How many targets do you think Jordan would've gotten in four series last year?

You are reading way, way too much into a preseason game.Jordan's catches will go down, sure. They almost have to. But if you're downgrading him based on this game......dude, they started camp about 12 days ago. The Raiders have one guy playing the same position as last year (Grove). And even he played guard part of the year.

It's too early for that. You start doing that stuff, are you gonna run out and pick up Wil Buchanon? Come on now.

I'm drafting this Saturday. I have to make decisions on whatever knowledge I have up until that point. I see two red flags to Jordan's catches...- Shell's systems of the past with regards to using RBs in the passing game.

- How the first team offense played tonight. I saw nearly the same offense as before. Run, run, deep pass.

Based on that I have adjusted Jordan's catches floor until I see otherwise from them. This was based on offseason thought and four series of affirmation.

MLB makes a good point about how close the games are. I'd say 10+ catches will depend on this dynamic alone.

You may want to check the Jordan Catches thread, and especially Post 21, which I'll reprint here:

Some things to consider:

Regardless of the HC, Brooks is going to be throwing the ball. So, it seems to me that his tendencies would be the better indicator of where the ball goes. Sure playcalls may go for screens more often with some HCs than others, but I'm going to look at Brooks and LamJ here:

New Orleans:

RB Targets:

2005 - 98

2004 - 93

2003 - 100

2002 - 97

Brooks:

Total Passes / RB Passes / %

2005 - 431 - 77 - 18%

2004 - 542 - 93 - 17%

2003 - 518 - 100 - 19%

2002 - 528 - 97 -18%

Collins in 2005:

565 passes

WR targets: 377

RB targets: 118

TE targets: 60

(10 throwaways)

So RBs represented 21% of his targets.

Add one more thing, LamJ had 103 of 126 RB targets in OAK last year (82%).

Brooks throws, on average, 18% of the time to RBs. Collins threw 21% of the time to the RB. So slightly downgrade his targets by maybe 10%.

So if you have Brooks targeting the RBs on a similar level, or slightly less, LamJ should be in the 50-60 range quite easily.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I went into tonight's game thinking the FBG projections for him may be overly optimistic for receptions, and I think his carries are closer to his upper bound than his lower. I think deciding to drop Jordan just because of tonight's game is reading too much into it. But, as someone who thought already he's maybe going too high, neither did I see anything that made me feel more comfortable about the FBG projections for him.

The first of 5 preseason games is a very weak indication of future playcalling.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Regarding all these quotes of how Shell didn't throw to a RB in his past.

That was 12 years ago, folks.

Joe Gibbs adapted to the game after 11 years off - what makes you think that Shell won't modify his gameplan?

 

[gocats]

Anyone who severly adjust rankings after watching the first team play one quarter of the first preseason game is not someone I would trust taking advice from.

 

[duaneok66]

With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Come on, now, let's not be sensationalistic. 50% of 1st round picks "bust". It's a fact of life. It puts you a little bit behind the 8-ball, but still in a very manageable situation.

I do best when two things happen. I don't bust early and I find a few schleepers later.That's why I always try to take studs early in drafts regardless of position. No one's immune to busting early, but at this point, I'd take a guy like TO over Jordan in the first round in reception leagues. I think I'd even take Manning over Jordan in 6 pt per passing TD leagues.

Jordan is being drafted as a stud and I don't like what Shell's offense might do to his reception stats, which were huge for him last year.

One preseason game is nothing to make final conclusions on, but I thought about this since Shell was hired and brought back his old OC. How many passes were thrown to Jordan in the four series he played tonight? How many targets do you think Jordan would've gotten in four series last year?

You are reading way, way too much into a preseason game.Jordan's catches will go down, sure. They almost have to. But if you're downgrading him based on this game......dude, they started camp about 12 days ago. The Raiders have one guy playing the same position as last year (Grove). And even he played guard part of the year.

It's too early for that. You start doing that stuff, are you gonna run out and pick up Wil Buchanon? Come on now.

I'm drafting this Saturday. I have to make decisions on whatever knowledge I have up until that point. I see two red flags to Jordan's catches...- Shell's systems of the past with regards to using RBs in the passing game.

- How the first team offense played tonight. I saw nearly the same offense as before. Run, run, deep pass.

Based on that I have adjusted Jordan's catches floor until I see otherwise from them. This was based on offseason thought and four series of affirmation.

MLB makes a good point about how close the games are. I'd say 10+ catches will depend on this dynamic alone.

You may want to check the Jordan Catches thread, and especially Post 21, which I'll reprint here:

Some things to consider:

Regardless of the HC, Brooks is going to be throwing the ball. So, it seems to me that his tendencies would be the better indicator of where the ball goes. Sure playcalls may go for screens more often with some HCs than others, but I'm going to look at Brooks and LamJ here:

New Orleans:

RB Targets:

2005 - 98

2004 - 93

2003 - 100

2002 - 97

Brooks:

Total Passes / RB Passes / %

2005 - 431 - 77 - 18%

2004 - 542 - 93 - 17%

2003 - 518 - 100 - 19%

2002 - 528 - 97 -18%

Collins in 2005:

565 passes

WR targets: 377

RB targets: 118

TE targets: 60

(10 throwaways)

So RBs represented 21% of his targets.

Add one more thing, LamJ had 103 of 126 RB targets in OAK last year (82%).

Brooks throws, on average, 18% of the time to RBs. Collins threw 21% of the time to the RB. So slightly downgrade his targets by maybe 10%.

So if you have Brooks targeting the RBs on a similar level, or slightly less, LamJ should be in the 50-60 range quite easily.

you're basing this (in part) on what Brooks did in NO?? Come on, Shell has his own gameplan . . .

 

[rascal]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

Duly noted, and I'll be sure to also use the first pre-season game to complete all of my player projections.

I'm just saying, Art Shell's systems never seemed to produce prolific reception numbers from tail backs. They seem to run up the gut or block all game.Norv Turdner's offense was weak, but one thing it did have was a RB that almost always released into the flat.I was a big backer of Jordan this time last year. I still think he's a good player, but don't think he's in a good situation given the questions at Oline and the reduced targets in the pass game, systemically speaking.His risk at his ADP is way too high for me this year. He was going in Rd 2-4 last year. This year he's a late 1st or early 2nd guy. With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

Art Shell's system? So you have all the stats (what runs, downs, etc) from 1994?Correct me if I'm wrong but his OC has been out of football for just as long.

 

[Mr Dingles]

I'm downgrading Jordan based on projecting this game's stats over a 16-game season. Pathetic.

 

[rascal]

I quit watching it after the half. Did moats play at all? If not it looks like Mahe is the backup to Westbrook and not moats.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I quit watching it after the half. Did moats play at all? If not it looks like Mahe is the backup to Westbrook and not moats.

Moats is nicked and didn't make the trip.

 

[duaneok66]

I quit watching it after the half. Did moats play at all? If not it looks like Mahe is the backup to Westbrook and not moats.

Moats is hurt right now . . . Perry is hurt now and fumbled his chance away before he went down . . . Buck is out . . .Philly will be trading for a RB shortly . . . btw Mahe is a 3rd string type guy; no way he backs up Westy . . .

 

[wannabee]

I quit watching it after the half. Did moats play at all? If not it looks like Mahe is the backup to Westbrook and not moats.

Moats is nicked and didn't make the trip.

Jeff, How severe is Moats' injury?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I quit watching it after the half. Did moats play at all? If not it looks like Mahe is the backup to Westbrook and not moats.

Moats is nicked and didn't make the trip.

Jeff, How severe is Moats' injury?

Moats hasn't practiced all week with a knee strain. I think he should be ready for next weekend, but time will tell. Obviously they need to take it easy on him and get him ready for the season, because they don't have prime time talent behind him.Bruce Perry would be the next best prospect - but he can't seem to stay healthy. The poor kid got tagged with under 2 minutes left and was carted off with a concussion.

 

[Donnybrook]

After fumbling twice against the Raiders, I won’t be surprised if Perry gets cut before he gets out of the hospital.

 

[Bri]

Low 30s won't even surprise me.But upgrade his rushing stats if the O-line can get it together. They have talent but got owned by the Eagles first team D. If not, downgrade Jordan a lot.

Duly noted, and I'll be sure to also use the first pre-season game to complete all of my player projections.

I'm just saying, Art Shell's systems never seemed to produce prolific reception numbers from tail backs. They seem to run up the gut or block all game.Norv Turdner's offense was weak, but one thing it did have was a RB that almost always released into the flat.I was a big backer of Jordan this time last year. I still think he's a good player, but don't think he's in a good situation given the questions at Oline and the reduced targets in the pass game, systemically speaking.His risk at his ADP is way too high for me this year. He was going in Rd 2-4 last year. This year he's a late 1st or early 2nd guy. With those types of picks you CANNOT bust if you hope to win.

I would think when Moss didn't play or was hurt or anything of that sort Lamont became the biggest playmaker and the staff went out of their way to get the ball in his hands. While I'm not sure if that's a bad thing I didn't expect that to be repeated this year. I agree about Shell's O. I don't expect him to be creative at all with it. They're gonna bring it and make the D stop em'. I love that style, no clue if they can pull it off but I love that mindset.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think Moats will be fine as the backup - he appears to be a Westie clone in body size and ability to catch the ball - not the same amount of speed, quickness, or overall atheticism, however.

I also agree that the Eagles should be in the market for a veteran RB - Chris Brown sounds about right.

 

[Bri]

I quit watching it after the half. Did moats play at all? If not it looks like Mahe is the backup to Westbrook and not moats.

Moats is nicked and didn't make the trip.

Jeff, How severe is Moats' injury?

Moats hasn't practiced all week with a knee strain. I think he should be ready for next weekend, but time will tell. Obviously they need to take it easy on him and get him ready for the season, because they don't have prime time talent behind him.Bruce Perry would be the next best prospect - but he can't seem to stay healthy. The poor kid got tagged with under 2 minutes left and was carted off with a concussion.

Not Tapeh? I thought they were leaning his way in the spring, like a bruiser role.

 

[duaneok66]

I quit watching it after the half. Did moats play at all? If not it looks like Mahe is the backup to Westbrook and not moats.

Moats is nicked and didn't make the trip.

Jeff, How severe is Moats' injury?

Moats hasn't practiced all week with a knee strain. I think he should be ready for next weekend, but time will tell. Obviously they need to take it easy on him and get him ready for the season, because they don't have prime time talent behind him.Bruce Perry would be the next best prospect - but he can't seem to stay healthy. The poor kid got tagged with under 2 minutes left and was carted off with a concussion.

Not Tapeh? I thought they were leaning his way in the spring, like a bruiser role.

Tapeh didn't get a carry tonight, but, with the RB situation as it is, he may get a look next week . . .

 

[Marc Levin]

I would think when Moss didn't play or was hurt or anything of that sort Lamont became the biggest playmaker and the staff went out of their way to get the ball in his hands.

Good point. I think I agree with that, though I haven't given it much thought.I also believe that a hurting Moss was a downfield threat that opened up Jordon underneath, but was not healthy enough to be a consistently effective route runner - a healthy Moss is more likely to be open more often, thereby sublimating the need to pass underneath to Jordan.Either way, I do NOT disagree with the premise that Jordan sees fewer passes this year than last - or that we have overprojected his receiving numbers.I recommend that if you disagree with us on that issue (and I disagree with our numbers there) that youmanually change your DD numbers to reflect what you think will happen.

 

[Biabreakable]

Not because of this game.. but I do think people are being overly optimistic about Lamont Jordans prospects.

His ypc of 3.8 is not at all impressive. Unless the Oline drasticly improves I see no reason to expect Jordan to start breaking off larger chunks of yardage.

Kerry Collins sucked last year. He bailed out to Jordan so much because he was afraid of throwing interceptions if he went down field. I don't think Brooks will check down as much and I think defenses may scheme to contain Jordan in the flats more than they did last year.

Of course that all will go out the window when Moss burns them. Moss is definitly Jordans friend by drawing double teams and coverage shifts.

We don't know yet how Shell is going to run this offense. There might be some growing pains adjusting to the league for him. If that is the case and the Oline continues to have issues this offense might struggle more than people including myself have been optimisticly thinking.

 

[nygiants56]

In other news, Westbrook has risen to RB5.

until he gets hurt in week 1.

 

[nygiants56]

In other news, Westbrook has risen to RB5.

until he gets hurt in week 1. note one more thing: the Eagles play a TOUGH schedule after their bye week, with some 4 games in the NFC East, not to mention they'll play some of the hardest teams to run on during that stretch..Westbrook could be the #1 RB for the first half of 2006, and will fade badly down the stretch...trade him during the bye and don't look back!

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

In other news, Westbrook has risen to RB5.

until he gets hurt in week 1. note one more thing: the Eagles play a TOUGH schedule after their bye week, with some 4 games in the NFC East, not to mention they'll play some of the hardest teams to run on during that stretch..Westbrook could be the #1 RB for the first half of 2006, and will fade badly down the stretch...trade him during the bye and don't look back!

I don't know about advice on the Eagles from a Giants fan....

 

[redman]

It does bear mentioning that Shell's RB's weren't known for their prolific recieving stats during Shell's first tenure, and that Shell has gone back and hired the same offensive coordinator (Tom Walsh) that he had back then. Walsh has been criticized for having an antiquated offense and has, among other things, managed a bed and breakfast in Idaho since 1994, and has not coached another NFL team in the interim.

From 1990 (Shell's first full year) to 1993, the highest number of catches a RB had was 28, by both Marcus Allen and Steve Smith in 1992. During those years, no other RB had any catch total higher than 18.

For some reason in 1994, Shell's last year, the numbers spiked, with Harvey "the Longneck" Williams snagging 47 catches and Tom Rathman catching 26. It bears mention, though, that they had a very poor rushing attack that year, although those poor rushing numbers were comparable to those posted during the 1993 season.

Overall, the numbers varied from a low of about 25 catches for all RB's (yes, all RB's!) in 1990 to about 85 catches during that 1994 season.

It's something to watch during the preseason.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Anyone who severly adjust rankings after watching the first team play one quarter of the first preseason game is not someone I would trust taking advice from.

Amen.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

In other news, Westbrook has risen to RB5.

In PPR leagues, you are not far off - I'd call Westbrook the RB7 or RB8 in PPR leagues.

Smart man... I wouldn't be shocked to see him crack the top 5 this year.

 

[Garrett]

Some Numbers/Trends on Shell's Previous Backs