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D'Qwell Jackson RELEASED by Browns (1 Viewer)
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Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Wow...didn't see that coming. Is his cap number so atrocious that they could not move him for something?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@ScottPetrak: #Browns now have another hole to fill, and it's big one, following release of LB D'Qwell Jackson. Was on field for every snap, called plays
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@brian_mcintyre: D'Qwell Jackson signed 5-yr, $38.5M contract on 2/27/12. Earned $16.8M & triggered the $4M in escalation, but was released 2 years into deal
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Has his play declined recently? This seems weird.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
The comments in the Rotoworld blurb said glowing things about him, but did say he graded out as a bottom six inside backer according to PFF against the run.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Seems like something the Browns would do.
That's exactly what the boys on Sirius are saying, Zimmer watching him in the division should try to sign him on.
mozzy84
Footballguy
If I remember right he was a ff stud in 2011 (contract year) and has been kinda average the last couple years.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Twitter talk that he fits the 4-3 defense better than the 3-4 Cleveland ran this past season.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
D'Qwell.
Great guy and a solid player.
He's played in both 3-4 and 4-3 and hybrid pressure scheme.
Not huge but solid tackler, covers well, and has been effective when asked to blitz.
Has wracked up huge tackle numbers in the past and after having some injury issues earlier in his career has been durable the last two seasons.
No issues with him as far as I know other than that big escalator. It would have been hard to swallow for any team even with a solid player like D'Qwell.
Wish him the very best, he was really good for the Browns.
Oh and the Browns did him a solid by releasing him now before free agency.
He should be the top MLB I would imagine.
Couldn't ask for more from a player and he still has some good years on his legs.
Great guy and a solid player.
He's played in both 3-4 and 4-3 and hybrid pressure scheme.
Not huge but solid tackler, covers well, and has been effective when asked to blitz.
Has wracked up huge tackle numbers in the past and after having some injury issues earlier in his career has been durable the last two seasons.
No issues with him as far as I know other than that big escalator. It would have been hard to swallow for any team even with a solid player like D'Qwell.
Wish him the very best, he was really good for the Browns.
Oh and the Browns did him a solid by releasing him now before free agency.
He should be the top MLB I would imagine.
Couldn't ask for more from a player and he still has some good years on his legs.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Khalil Mack may not be there at 4, but man... Would be a great pick.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I think its a decision of the Browns taking the cap savings and putting it towards C Alex Mack and S T.J. Ward.
When Lombardi was the GM he had a philosophy of budgeting only so many dollars to groped positions and the Browns had already paid out a big contract to LT Joe Thomas on the offensive line and it was reported that they would not pay Mack but Farmer has stated resigning Alex Mack is a priority. The cap savings from D'Qwell could go to a signing bonus for Mack who is a Pro Bowler and younger.
The team is also in discussions to extend CB Joe Haden along with the T.J. Ward negotiations.
D'Qwell is beloved by Browns fans but he would have been overpaid significantly, even for one year, with that huge bonus.
If the money helps to retain Alex Mack and/or extend Haden/Ward I think its a solid long-term decision but obviously not a popular move right now.
Oh and I guess that the team was looking into signing retired LB Bart Scott who played for and was a favorite of new Browns HC Mike Pettine.
Ross Tucker@RossTuckerNFL51m
Now we know why the Browns supposedly wanted to sign Bart Scott
When Lombardi was the GM he had a philosophy of budgeting only so many dollars to groped positions and the Browns had already paid out a big contract to LT Joe Thomas on the offensive line and it was reported that they would not pay Mack but Farmer has stated resigning Alex Mack is a priority. The cap savings from D'Qwell could go to a signing bonus for Mack who is a Pro Bowler and younger.
The team is also in discussions to extend CB Joe Haden along with the T.J. Ward negotiations.
D'Qwell is beloved by Browns fans but he would have been overpaid significantly, even for one year, with that huge bonus.
If the money helps to retain Alex Mack and/or extend Haden/Ward I think its a solid long-term decision but obviously not a popular move right now.
Oh and I guess that the team was looking into signing retired LB Bart Scott who played for and was a favorite of new Browns HC Mike Pettine.
Ross Tucker@RossTuckerNFL51m
Now we know why the Browns supposedly wanted to sign Bart Scott
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Odds are he will be....
With that being said I NEED to get a hold of my man to see if he's got any news regarding Mack and the Browns - his name has never come up in the past (watkins and matthews only) but things may have changed
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ted needs to get on the phone immediately. Good lord, the Packers need at least one linebacker that can tackle.
sho nuff
Footballguy
To sign a 31 year old LB who may fit better in the 4-3 and at least according to one sight may have graded out as a bottom 6 LB vs. the run?
Don't see Ted doing something like that.
I think their money may be better spent elsewhere on D.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is a guy a lot of Saints fans wish NO had drafted back in the day.
amnesiac
beer is good
good points. i agree. Jackson apparently wasn't as valuable to the 3-4 like you said earlier, as well.
makes a lot of sense. but on the surface it does look like they are getting rid of one of their best players.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Minter is better, younger, and cheaper.
MAC_32
Footballguy
no, to the latter, unless you like your mike consistently making tackles seven yards down field.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Our team is stupid. Let's fire coaches who are going to make 10 milion more either way, and cut players to save 5 million when we won't approach the salary cap anyway.
spreagle
Footballguy
Watched him a few times this year, was stunned how much slower to the ball he was than the other linebackers around him. Was not great in 2012 and did not improve in 2013. For a guy who many hoped would come close to Daryl Washington 2012 numbers, it wasn't even close, with only a sack or two, one forced fumble, one fumble recovery, one interception. No longer a playmaker, seems to be a player in steep decline.
Horton calls him "coaches dream"
and
Jackson will visit with the Titans and Denver Broncos, along with three other teams, a league source told cleveland.com
article here http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/former_cleveland_browns_lb_dqw.html
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Nobody is saying he is great. But he is good enough that he should have been retained considering his leadership status on a team that badly needs leaders.
Saving 5 million against the cap for this year is pretty stupid considering I would bet anything they don't come close to going over the cap anyway.
Saving 5 million against the cap for this year is pretty stupid considering I would bet anything they don't come close to going over the cap anyway.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
What, cutting a 31 yo LB with diminishing skills who was a questionable schematic fit, the bulk of whose tackles were assists 5 yards downfield, who made very few impact plays and is due a 4MM roster bonus in 2 weeks? I hope this typifies their moves going forward.
IMO...On the 49ers, this is sound reasoning. On a team that is far away from a Supe, this isn't. There is so much development that needs to happen in CLE; this coincides with massive turnover of players and staff. The need for a "professional" individual that works hard everyday and is still good (if not great) is huge.
If he taught 5 young players how to behave and work in the NFL, it would be worth it.
Every time they get a decent player, they leave. You "can't" name me the last time they had an 7-8 time pro-bowler in CLE.
The franchise is a horrible example of one step forward, two steps back.
IIRC Currently, there are one or two impressive linemen expected to leave. More often than not, what happens if you replace a stud lineman with a rook?
The Browns are putting bandaids on a team with terrible depth. When you need 30 players, it's not the time to quibble that someone is only good and not very good anymore. The cap is 133 mil, 4 mil isn't that impactful.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
He wasn't just "not great", he was quite bad. You don't pay a bad player premium money even if he is a "good leader". At least not if you want to improve your bad team.
You're concerned about a lack of pro-bowlers in CLE, but Jackson has never made the pro bowl, and seems VERY unlikely to start now. Well, now you have one roster spot, one starting position, and a fair amount of money to use to try to GET a pro-bowler (or difference maker).
I don't think player leadership is nothing, but it's not as important as performance on the field, and financials in a capped environment. It's also probably a lot harder to effectively lead while not performing. It's not like young guys are going to be saying, "Look at what Jackson is producing, let's do it like he does!". Players know who the best players are too. As much as I dislike Ray Lewis, he was as effective as he was in the leadership role mostly because he was getting it done on the field - even in the late stages of his career.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
1. No there are not 2 impressive linemen expected to leave.Alex Mack the pro bowl Center is a free agent and the Browns are trying to resign him.
2. 7-8 consecutive years on 1 team going to the Pro Bowl? Do you know how little that actually happens?
The only listing I could find showed players with 11 or more Pro Bowl appearances, there were 23 total.
And 14 of them were before current free agency existed.
They couldn't change teams unless they were traded or released.
Can't name 1 on the Browns? LOL, go look up Joe Thomas the current starter at LT 7 years.
As far as 7-8 years with the Browns, Jim Brown 9, Lou Groza 9, and thomas 7 years.
Tell me who the Browns let go or traded away that was a Pro Bowler for 7-8 years and made a Pro bowl after he left the Browns? You can't there aren't any.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
But 'bri' from the internet says it so it must be true.
Not to mention, he already taught a bunch of their young players how to work and behave. Last I checked Haden, Sheard, Taylor, Rubin, Winn, Hughes, Skrine and maybe Ward all had 2 or more years under DQ's tutelage and are still on the team. How long do they have to keep him?
