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D'Qwell Jackson tanking (1 Viewer)

traveller01

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D'Qwell Jackson's numbers have dropped off sharply over the past 3 games (3, 3 and 2 tackles, no splash plays, no passes defended). I haven't heard anything that would explain it. As far as I know he's still an every down LB with no injuries to report. Anyone have any idea what's happened to him? I'll drop him unless there's something to say that his decline is only temporary.

 
I hold onto him, has a good matchup with KC next week and the offense is trending terrible in Cleveland under Weeden

 
D'Qwell is heavily dependent on assists. Was the same way last year. Still getting plenty of assists at home. Bit of London Fletcher disease going on here possibly. I'd be wary of him on the road, especially at KC. Assists are very rare in Arrowhead.

 
D'Qwell Jackson's numbers have dropped off sharply over the past 3 games (3, 3 and 2 tackles, no splash plays, no passes defended). I haven't heard anything that would explain it. As far as I know he's still an every down LB with no injuries to report. Anyone have any idea what's happened to him? I'll drop him unless there's something to say that his decline is only temporary.
Yeah, his production has dived.

If you noticed, its not just D'Q its the entire Cleveland defense that has gone into the tank over the last three games, 31 points to Green Bay, 31 points to Detroit, and 24 points to Buffalo who were tearing up the D up until 2nd string horrible QB Jeff Tuel wast thrust into the game and he didn't move that offense at all.

The Browns had only given up 1 passing TD this season up until the last two games where they've given up 7 passing touchdowns. The teams who torched them with TD passes were beat up in the receiving dept, Detroit with a gimpy WR Calvin Johnson and Green Bay who was only down to one healthy starting WR Jordy Nelson. A ***** in the armor has been found in the Cleveland defense. Offenses are eploiting the lack of a 3rd cover corner where horrible CB Chris Owens has been a nightmare. See the team just signed a corner off the waiver wire a few hours ago.

Teams are using quick passes because they can't line-up and run on the Cleveland defense. They are having success the Cleveland LBers dropping in coverage instead of trying to run at them. The primary culprit is LB Craig Robertson, teams are isolating short passes against him and are running away from D'Q. Jackson isn't as effective dropping, he's far more effective pressing the hole, coming up to make plays.

The killer is that Craig Robertson looked decent in coverage last year and he was doing well up until recently but he's been exposed, teams have found his achilles and its just killing the entire defense.

A complicating factor is the Cleveland secondary is height deficient, no-one over 5'11 so they are left to put Craig Roberston on tall TEs.

I think they should try using 6'4 speedy OLB Barkevious Mingo in coverage if he can drop his hips and turn in coverage because this issue isn't going away. For example, the Detroit TE was 6'8 and he was matched up against 5'10 SS TJ Ward and he simply used the 9 inch height advantage to accumulate 3 receiving touchdowns. No amount of tight perfect coverage or perfect technique is going to overcome a 9 inch hieght advantage. Its stealing. Again, the Browns had only given up 1 passing TD all year till that game and Christian Fauria's kid caught 3 and he made it look easy because it was.

D'Qwell's production has dropped off significantly lately but if you zoom-out to look at the bigger picture its more than just D'Qwell Jackson.

 
Thanks a bunch Bracie. Great comprehensive answer. Doesn't sound like there's going to be a quick turnaround. Teams will avoid giving D'Q tackle opportunities if they can.

My league doesn't count assisted tackles so any assists he gets are a zero for me.

 
D'Qwell Jackson's numbers have dropped off sharply over the past 3 games (3, 3 and 2 tackles, no splash plays, no passes defended). I haven't heard anything that would explain it. As far as I know he's still an every down LB with no injuries to report. Anyone have any idea what's happened to him? I'll drop him unless there's something to say that his decline is only temporary.
Yeah, his production has dived.

If you noticed, its not just D'Q its the entire Cleveland defense that has gone into the tank over the last three games, 31 points to Green Bay, 31 points to Detroit, and 24 points to Buffalo who were tearing up the D up until 2nd string horrible QB Jeff Tuel wast thrust into the game and he didn't move that offense at all.

The Browns had only given up 1 passing TD this season up until the last two games where they've given up 7 passing touchdowns. The teams who torched them with TD passes were beat up in the receiving dept, Detroit with a gimpy WR Calvin Johnson and Green Bay who was only down to one healthy starting WR Jordy Nelson. A ***** in the armor has been found in the Cleveland defense. Offenses are eploiting the lack of a 3rd cover corner where horrible CB Chris Owens has been a nightmare. See the team just signed a corner off the waiver wire a few hours ago.

Teams are using quick passes because they can't line-up and run on the Cleveland defense. They are having success the Cleveland LBers dropping in coverage instead of trying to run at them. The primary culprit is LB Craig Robertson, teams are isolating short passes against him and are running away from D'Q. Jackson isn't as effective dropping, he's far more effective pressing the hole, coming up to make plays.

The killer is that Craig Robertson looked decent in coverage last year and he was doing well up until recently but he's been exposed, teams have found his achilles and its just killing the entire defense.

A complicating factor is the Cleveland secondary is height deficient, no-one over 5'11 so they are left to put Craig Roberston on tall TEs.

I think they should try using 6'4 speedy OLB Barkevious Mingo in coverage if he can drop his hips and turn in coverage because this issue isn't going away. For example, the Detroit TE was 6'8 and he was matched up against 5'10 SS TJ Ward and he simply used the 9 inch height advantage to accumulate 3 receiving touchdowns. No amount of tight perfect coverage or perfect technique is going to overcome a 9 inch hieght advantage. Its stealing. Again, the Browns had only given up 1 passing TD all year till that game and Christian Fauria's kid caught 3 and he made it look easy because it was.

D'Qwell's production has dropped off significantly lately but if you zoom-out to look at the bigger picture its more than just D'Qwell Jackson.
Or, the defense is watching what's going on the other side of the ball and it's effecting their play.

Both of our ILB's aren't playing well though, neither has all year, but Robertson has been especially bad lately.

 
Thanks a bunch Bracie. Great comprehensive answer. Doesn't sound like there's going to be a quick turnaround. Teams will avoid giving D'Q tackle opportunities if they can.

My league doesn't count assisted tackles so any assists he gets are a zero for me.
It's more than what Bracie is alluding to, DQ has never shed blockers well, it's why he struggled so much in the 3-4 under Mangini. It's the same problem now. 3-4 ILB's need to shed blockers, they don't roam free as much as 4-3 MIKE's. DQ is not good at doing that, so even on the plays he can make he isn't getting there.

 
Thanks a bunch Bracie. Great comprehensive answer. Doesn't sound like there's going to be a quick turnaround. Teams will avoid giving D'Q tackle opportunities if they can.

My league doesn't count assisted tackles so any assists he gets are a zero for me.
It's more than what Bracie is alluding to, DQ has never shed blockers well, it's why he struggled so much in the 3-4 under Mangini. It's the same problem now. 3-4 ILB's need to shed blockers, they don't roam free as much as 4-3 MIKE's. DQ is not good at doing that, so even on the plays he can make he isn't getting there.
Its a lot more than Mac's take.

The entire defense started out against Buffalo playing bad BEFORE QB Brian Hoyer got injured his knee, not afterwards, so placing the blame on any one thing like Weeden deflating them isn't entirely accurate.

D'Qwell was leading the entire NFL in tackles up until the last few games, he can tackle no matter what anyone says.

I mentioned the slot cornerback position for more than just the horrible play of CB Chris Owens.

The slot corner position is one that Cleveland GM Mike Lombardi values greatly.

Here is a snippet of an interview that Mike Lombardi gave in 2011 before he got the Browns GM job where he goes into detail about how valuable the nickel defense, where he mentions the role of the slot corner becoming more valuable than the MIDDLE LINEBACKER POSITION in the NFL.

The Browns nickel (slot corner) is undersized and ineffective CB Chris Owens.

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Mike Lombardi the Bill Simmons podcast

part I of the October 16, 2011 podcast.

ML

: "I think the one other aspect of the NFL this season has been nickel runs. I think nickel runs, if you ask me to talk about the season, it is about nickel runs and how teams are ineffective against defending nickel runs.

For instance, two weeks ago the Giants played the Browns, they were in a lot of nickel runs. The browns couldn’t stop them. Cincinnati came thinking they could run the football. They didn’t really try running out of nickel. They ran out of base, Cleveland stopped them.

The fans said, "why didn’t we stop the Giants when they ran the ball?"

Well, they ran the ball out of nickel and often times if you don’t have a guy who can play in the slot. A slot corner who can tackle, who can read, who is perceptive, got great instincts and who is tough and can tackle. You can't play nickel run. You don’t know how to fit on nickel runs and you don’t know where your force comes for nickel runs force.

So, it becomes a real problem and this league right now, why New England has such an advantage is they get you into some nickel runs situations where you are not equipped to handle it and I think that is the tenue(sic) of the league. I think that is gonna be where this thing’s going is, how teams prepare for nickel runs and how much time you put preparing for it in your week of practice and training camps."

ML

: "You are going to have to have a player who is a nickel corner, but he plays like a linebacker, but he can tackle, he can cover. Its almost to me, like if I ever got back in the league, it would be a position that would be more valuable than Middle Linebacker.

…. You know there are teams that just don’t have that player and if you don’t have him. It becomes problematic for you and then teams force you into some areas and all scouts will always say "Well if he is not fast then we will put him inside.". Well ,that is really gonna help us a lot. He is not fast and he cant tackle so there we go there’s 35 yards running right down the field."

 
How many plays was the defense on the field before hoyer got injured? They gave up a td primarily because of haden pi penalties.

Didn't start getting gashed on the ground until weeden came in.

 
Stat line looked good for D'Qwell today, but watching the game, Robertson pops out on the screen and flashes far more. Everytime it seems there's a running play, #53 is on the bottom of the pile with #52 helping him up. Gonna roll with him one more week, but bye week might make a switch if he doesn't show well vs Baltimore next week

 
Stat line looked good for D'Qwell today, but watching the game, Robertson pops out on the screen and flashes far more. Everytime it seems there's a running play, #53 is on the bottom of the pile with #52 helping him up. Gonna roll with him one more week, but bye week might make a switch if he doesn't show well vs Baltimore next week
Yeah, he did have a good stat-line but the overall defense collapsed in the first-half as they got gashed in the passing game. The offense wasn't moving the ball but the defense dug a hole that was insurmontable and the big stat-line that D'Qwell had was overmatched by three defenders, LB Craig Robertson, SS TJ Ward, FS Tashon Gibson, so that gives you the clues as to what happened in the game. The Chiefs were abusing the Browns middle of the defense so that is why ALL of the defenders in the middle of the defense wracked up high tackle numbers.

They got it together after halftime but by that time the defense had already surrendered 20 points and a whopping 281 yards, truly horrible defense.

Their is a problem defensively that opponents are exploiting. Yesterday was the first time that D'Qwell had a productive IDP game while the defense got torched but the Chiefs utilize their RBs moreso than most NFL teams so I don't know what to expect of him going forward so long as teams keep exploiting the lacksadaisical coverage of the LBers.

Oh and I noticed that OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo was utilized in coverage yesterday but he looked lost on one of the rare replays that we get to see from TV coverage where Mingo's back was completely turned twice trying to find the WR who easily caught a ball on him so I don't hold out much hope that he can fill the void that the Browns seem to have manifested defensively.

 
Mingo's attempt at coverage was laughable. I have a feeling they won't ask him to do that very much again.

 
johnnyboy8102 said:
I feel like D'Qwell should have gotten 1/2 of Ward's sack too. They got to Smith at the exact same time.
I saw that. I think they give it to who stands up and celebrates first. Ward was up and at em quickly.

 

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