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D'Qwell Jacksons week 2 ranking (1 Viewer)

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I don't want to give away any FBG insider information but for those of you that are insiders, why is D'Qwell ranked so low this week? Clevelands offense is anemic and he'll once again have plenty of tackle opportunities against Cincy. I'm just trying to figure out if i'm missing something that I should pay attention to and avoid starting this man this week.

Thanks.

 
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I don't want to give away any FBG insider information but for those of you that are insiders, why is D'Qwell ranked so low this week? Clevelands offense is anemic and he'll once again have plenty of tackle opportunities against Cincy. I'm just trying to figure out if i'm missing something that I should pay attention to and avoid starting this man this week. Thanks.
You should start Dqwell every week, the guy is a playmaker and has potential to make plays forcing/recovery fumbles, interceptions, and sacks.
 
I don't want to give away any FBG insider information but for those of you that are insiders, why is D'Qwell ranked so low this week? Clevelands offense is anemic and he'll once again have plenty of tackle opportunities against Cincy. I'm just trying to figure out if i'm missing something that I should pay attention to and avoid starting this man this week. Thanks.
You should start Dqwell every week, the guy is a playmaker and has potential to make plays forcing/recovery fumbles, interceptions, and sacks.
I'll likely do that as he was my top LB last year, however it just struck me as odd that he was ranked low. I figured I'd ask the informed ones on this board if there was something going on with him or the team in general (scheme, etc.)
 
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1 tackle, 2 assists on 99 snaps.

Probably an anomaly as it was against a pass happy Philly team, but it is concerning.

The loss of DT Phil Taylor in front of him and both NFL-caliber LBs around him (Fujita, Gocong > Fort, Maiava) could hurt his tackle numbers as blockers are undoubtedly putting a bullseye on his back. Fujita should be back this week (not sure if they have activated him yet, but his suspension was repealed), Gocong is on IR. Taylor was PUPed so he could be back in the 2nd half of this season.

Cincy is going to run inside much more often than Philly ever will, so I would give him another week to see if the tackles come.

He's a good big-play LB, but not great, relying on a pick-6 for numbers every week is folly.

 
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Nothing specific in the matchup that's worrisome.

It's always better to look at the rightmost column (total points) than the left most column (straight numerical ranking). Give Jackson one more solo tackle and he'd rank just outside the top ten. It's also worth considering upside and floor. Though the snapshot give Jackson a middle of the pack ranking, it's much more likely that Jackson outpaces his projection by 2-3 solos than misses it by 2-3 solos.

 
Nothing specific in the matchup that's worrisome.It's always better to look at the rightmost column (total points) than the left most column (straight numerical ranking). Give Jackson one more solo tackle and he'd rank just outside the top ten. It's also worth considering upside and floor. Though the snapshot give Jackson a middle of the pack ranking, it's much more likely that Jackson outpaces his projection by 2-3 solos than misses it by 2-3 solos.
:goodposting: Thanks Jene and Diamond for the additional input. I'll start him with confidence this week and hope for the best.
 
Second quarter and he's already got a couple tackles and two sacks, that makes three sacks in his first two games so far this season to go with the pick-six.

 
3 sacks today for D'Qwell now. Well on his way to surpassing his career-high of 3.5 on the season. Perhaps I misspoke about his big-play capability. :bag:

 
3 sacks today for D'Qwell now. Well on his way to surpassing his career-high of 3.5 on the season. Perhaps I misspoke about his big-play capability. :bag:
Add another interception and its still only the third quarter.He's raking up the IDP points and seems to be making reservations to Hawaii early.
 
The big plays are nice but is anyone else concerned with the fact that Jackson has just one solo tackle in 2 games that wasn't the result of a sack?

 
yep. concerned. the big plays are nice, but cannot continue.

 
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The big plays are nice but is anyone else concerned with the fact that Jackson has just one solo tackle in 2 games that wasn't the result of a sack?
He seems to be dropping back more than he used to, but he also misplayed at least 3-4 run plays, chose the wrong gap and Law Firm broke loose. Mostly held him in check, but DQ missing a couple of assignments was a net positive for Green-Ellis. The talent around him is much improved too.Thinking downgrade him to a strong #2.
 
The big plays are nice but is anyone else concerned with the fact that Jackson has just one solo tackle in 2 games that wasn't the result of a sack?
He seems to be dropping back more than he used to, but he also misplayed at least 3-4 run plays, chose the wrong gap and Law Firm broke loose. Mostly held him in check, but DQ missing a couple of assignments was a net positive for Green-Ellis. The talent around him is much improved too.Thinking downgrade him to a strong #2.
Guys.In the first game Andy Ried called 56 passing plays.He kept calling passing plays even though his QB had thrown 4 interceptions, one a pick-six to D'Qwell. Add he had been, sacked, knocked-down, hurried-pressured, and even lost a fumble on one of his sacks (once again D'Qwell).Yesterday the Browns had starting CB Joe Haden out suspended and their other starting CB, Sheldon Brown was out with an injury. The replacement CBs were awful and Andy Dalton had his first three TD passing game of his career and only his third 300 yard passing game of his career. They only ran for 80 total yards on the ground all game.If the Browns had both of their starting corners and if the Bengals had a run heavy game plan then D'Qwell would not have been blizting up the middle and dropping back in coverage but since the Bengals game plan was obviously to attack the weakness and go after those corners then the Browns would counter that game plan by moving their chess pieces and the most talent play that defensive coordinator **** Juron has to move around to counter the game plan by the opposition is D'Qwell Jackson.That is why he was dropping in coverage and rushing the passer against the Eagles and that is why he was doing so against the Bengals.I would imagine other teams will also try to attack the Browns via the air until Haden is back so look for more of the same but I would not panic over low tackle numbers. Sure it is chancey to count on big plays but Juron konws when to dial up the blitzes for D'Qwell and Jackson knows how to time his rush.I'm sure opposing offensive coordinators will try to counter pressure up the gut but right now the Browns defense has a formidable pass rush up the gut and D'Qwell is a big part of it. I'd sit back and enjoy the ride if I had D'Q instead of complaining but that's just me.
 
I wasn't complaining, just saying given his role he seems more appropriate as a #2 rather than a top 10 option.

 
I knew something was fishy when I saw that the 3 sacks were for no gain, a loss of 1, and a loss of 3 for a total loss of 4 yards on the three of them. So I reviewed the film.

ALL three of the sacks weren't when Jackson was blitzing. All three came on broken plays in which Dalton scrambled back towards the line of scrimmage and Jackson touched him down as Dalton slid or dove. Jackson didn't even make a hit or tackle on any of the "sacks".

In addition his interception was on a ball that was tipped 20 yards in front of him in the air and he made a nice play on it.

Eventually these plays won't bounce Jackson's way and the tackles will then to be there.

The Browns have faced 55 rushing attempts in the 1st two games and Jackson has 1 solo tackle.

 
I knew something was fishy when I saw that the 3 sacks were for no gain, a loss of 1, and a loss of 3 for a total loss of 4 yards on the three of them. So I reviewed the film. ALL three of the sacks weren't when Jackson was blitzing. All three came on broken plays in which Dalton scrambled back towards the line of scrimmage and Jackson touched him down as Dalton slid or dove. Jackson didn't even make a hit or tackle on any of the "sacks". In addition his interception was on a ball that was tipped 20 yards in front of him in the air and he made a nice play on it. Eventually these plays won't bounce Jackson's way and the tackles will then to be there. The Browns have faced 55 rushing attempts in the 1st two games and Jackson has 1 solo tackle.
Good insight. Thanks.
 
So what happened today? No big plays - sorta mediocre. What's with this trend?
Better players around him in the front 7, scheme changes so the play doesn't have to funnel to DQ all the time. The overall defense is a mess right now in large part because of the secondary play. If anyone gets through the front 7 it's open season. Knew the loss of Haden would hurt, but this has been worse than I expected.
 
So what happened today? No big plays - sorta mediocre. What's with this trend?
Better players around him in the front 7, scheme changes so the play doesn't have to funnel to DQ all the time. The overall defense is a mess right now in large part because of the secondary play. If anyone gets through the front 7 it's open season. Knew the loss of Haden would hurt, but this has been worse than I expected.
I don't agree that he has better players around him in the front 7 right now but I do agree with the rest that the overall defense is a mess.My link

... "We couldn't stop the run," linebacker D'Qwell Jackson said. "They were able to score on a ton of possessions and we couldn't get off the field on third down."

After a strong Week 1 effort, the defense has not resembled the unit that held opponents to 332.4 yards and 19.2 points per game. Both of those marks ranked among the league's top 10. The absence of suspended cornerback Joe Haden is certainly critical. But there are other factors to consider.

The Browns are playing lots of youngsters and there seems to be some indecision creeping into their game. Ward spoke of an "uncertainty" with which the defense is playing. He also cited some lack of communication.

On the game's first touchdown, cornerback Buster Skrine got inadvertently picked by Jackson, enabling Graham to get open. Minutes later, the Browns allowed Spiller to go 32 yards untouched for a TD that made it 14-0.

While much was made of the secondary's struggles in the 34-27 loss in Cincinnati, no grouping played well against the Bills. The Browns didn't produce steady pressure as they did in the first two games and Fitzpatrick was sacked only once.

"It wasn't one group that hurt us today," Jackson said. "It was all of us collectively."

The Browns don't seem to know what they want to do at free safety. Eric Hagg, who started the first two games, was inactive on Sunday. Usama Young took his place, but split time with undrafted rookie Tashaun Gipson.
Right now the Browns have no stability on the defense. DT Phil Taylor, OUT with a torn pec. CB Joe Haden, OUT suspended. FS Eric Haag, REPLACED due to ineffectiveness. CB Sheldon Brown, REMOVED from his starting CB spot and relegated to slot cover duties. LB Chris Gocong, OUT injured. LB Scott Fujita, LIMITED due to pending suspension and him being rusty and old. Three starters OUT, three others who are playing bad or aren't up to speed. The mess means that the triangle of DT Ahtyba Rubin and DT Phil Taylor along with two reliable veteran LBers on each side that D'Q had last year has been removed. That means no tight defensive fits where he can slide to a spot to make a tackle.

They have been moving SS TJ Ward all over the place to try and help out with the pourous secondary and to try and come up to help out rookie FA LB Craig Robinson who has become the defacto cover LB. Fujita is old and slow and he missed camp and has that suspension hanging over his head. He's no help. Gocong is out all year. Taylor won't be back for weeks, Haden is out for another two weeks.

Um, if you want one easy simple answer as to what is happening I can't help you. Its too much of a mess right now to provide any pat answer but once Haden comes back it should straighten out the secondary issues and once Taylor comes back D'Qwell will have his triangle in front of him but he'll struggle with those guys on his wings all year so you have to interpret as things develop. Right now its a mess for sure.

 
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'Bracie Smathers said:
'MAC_32 said:
So what happened today? No big plays - sorta mediocre. What's with this trend?
Better players around him in the front 7, scheme changes so the play doesn't have to funnel to DQ all the time. The overall defense is a mess right now in large part because of the secondary play. If anyone gets through the front 7 it's open season. Knew the loss of Haden would hurt, but this has been worse than I expected.
I don't agree that he has better players around him in the front 7 right now but I do agree with the rest that the overall defense is a mess.
I don't think Winn has been much of a step back at all from Taylor and Hughes has been serviceable as a rotation player too. Rucker and Parker have been big steps up from the garbage at DE last year. Fort and Robertson are being asked to do too much given all of the other problems, but they're flying around and doing more than Fujita did - not much of a step back from Gocong either. The problems are behind them, big time domino effect from Haden - Ward's being asked to do too much and the rest are completely lost.
 
interesting. One would think having less talented players around him would lead to more tackles, not the other way around.

 
interesting. One would think having less talented players around him would lead to more tackles, not the other way around.
That's why I think the talent around him is better, schemes are calling for the play to funnel to others instead of relying on him to constantly make the play like years past.
 
interesting. One would think having less talented players around him would lead to more tackles, not the other way around.
That's why I think the talent around him is better, schemes are calling for the play to funnel to others instead of relying on him to constantly make the play like years past.
That makes sense I suppose, but I'm curious to know what that does to D'Qwell's fantasy value going forward.
 
interesting. One would think having less talented players around him would lead to more tackles, not the other way around.
That's why I think the talent around him is better, schemes are calling for the play to funnel to others instead of relying on him to constantly make the play like years past.
That makes sense I suppose, but I'm curious to know what that does to D'Qwell's fantasy value going forward.
I don't agree the talent around him is better.I do like both Billy Wynn and John Hughes but I do not believe they are better or equal to Phil Taylor.

Phil Taylor lead ALL rookie defensive linemen in tackles last year and he also posted five sacks which is very solid for any defensive tackle let alone a rookie.

Here is a comparison of Phil Taylor's first three games to both Billy Wynn AND John Hughes.

This year over the first three games the combined defensive totals of both DT Billy Wynn and DT John Hughes.

2012

First game PHILLY

Wynn - 1 solos, 1 assists, 0 sacks

Hughes - 0 solos, 0 assists, 0 sacks

Second game CINCY

Wynn - 0 solos, 0 asissts, 0 sacks

Hughes - 3 solos, 3 asissts, 1 sack

Third Game BUFF

Wynn - 0 solos, 0 assissts, 0 sacks (but he did have two batted passes PDs)

Hughes - 0 solos, 0 assissts, 0 sacks

Combined grand total of both Billy Wynn AND John Hughes over first three games>> 4 solos, 4 assissts, 1 sack, 2 PDs

2011

DT Phil Taylor's first three games in 2011

CIN 5 solos, 0 assissts, 0 sacks

IND 2 solos, 3 assissts, 0 sacks

MIA 4 solos, 3 assissts, 1 sack

Grand total for Phil Taylor>> 11 solos, 6 assissts, 1 sack

I like both Wynn and Hughes but I like Phil Taylor better, he is missed right now on the line and once he is back then D'Qwell and the entire defense will be better. Also with Haden out we all know how much he's missed.

The young linebackers have spry legs but they don't know what they are doing there right now and TJ has said as much as has D'Qwell. The coverage units are a complete mess.

I just do not agree that the talent is improved.

The young LBs 'should' improve but right now, I just can't agree because that talent isn't developed and it hasn't shown itsself on the field. Last year Phil Taylor came in with more talent than Wynn or Hughes and it showed up on the field even before Taylor had honed his natural abilities.

Love that we added those guys for the original purpose they were acquired, for depth and to help formulate a defensive line rotation. I just don't know what we have with those linebackes just yet. I like they are quicker than Fujita and can cover more ground but their inexperience right now is an issue and their talent needs to be developed.

That is how I see it.

 
interesting. One would think having less talented players around him would lead to more tackles, not the other way around.
That's why I think the talent around him is better, schemes are calling for the play to funnel to others instead of relying on him to constantly make the play like years past.
That makes sense I suppose, but I'm curious to know what that does to D'Qwell's fantasy value going forward.
He's not a stud anymore, he's still a #2 though. Good every down MIKE's are still good IDP players.
 
interesting. One would think having less talented players around him would lead to more tackles, not the other way around.
That's why I think the talent around him is better, schemes are calling for the play to funnel to others instead of relying on him to constantly make the play like years past.
According to the posts before, he has less talent around him. Everyone is injured or out.
 
Just glancing at his stats/game logs from last year, it appears maybe he's being dropped back more in coverage as some have suggested. He's already surpassed last year's INT total (could be flukey) and he's matched his pass defensed total from last year as well (INT = PD though right, could be flukey). His low total solo tackle game last year was 4. That represents his high this year. Did the stat keeper change in Cleveland? He's had 2 home games so far. Maybe he's just not getting tackles credited to him as much as last year, lol.

 
interesting. One would think having less talented players around him would lead to more tackles, not the other way around.
That's why I think the talent around him is better, schemes are calling for the play to funnel to others instead of relying on him to constantly make the play like years past.
According to the posts before, he has less talent around him. Everyone is injured or out.
:shrug: I feel differently. I think the problems are in the secondary, not as much up front.
 
'Abspara said:
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Can we stop fretting now?
I'd like to, i really would. I'm cautiously optimistic though....
I'd feel a whole lot better if one of those assists last night was credited as a solo....we give bonuses at 6 solos. He hasn't done that yet this year in 4 games, but did so 11 out of 16 games last year.
 
'Abspara said:
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Can we stop fretting now?
I'd like to, i really would. I'm cautiously optimistic though....
Jackson looked good last night (in real football). The entire Browns D played hard and limited the Raven's ability to move the ball. He could have easily had 8 solos with a sack. Rice made his usual ankle breaking moves to avoid a couple sure fire Jackson tackles and Flaco got rid of the ball 0.5 seconds before Jackson drove him to the ground.With the Browns struggling offence, Jackson will have plenty of opportunities to be a top 3 LB.
 
Cleveland's DL was pretty damn good last night. They were making a lot of tackles it seems. I thought D'Qwell looked good. Juked out of 1 solo by Rice in the open field and as noted above nailed Flacco on a delayed blitz.

 
This is why I said DQ is a #2 now, the talent is better around him - he doesn't need to make all the plays anymore.

 
This is why I said DQ is a #2 now, the talent is better around him - he doesn't need to make all the plays anymore.
You keep saying this so could you explain something to me.Last year, when the talent on the Browns would have been worse according to you, the Cleveland Browns defense finished 5th in the entire NFL but this year they currently rank 27th?

I mean if the talent were the same or similiar I would expect they would rank within ten spot of where they ranked last year but since you keep saying the talent is improved how could an improved team rank 22 places lower?

I like the additions but I do not feel they are up to speed yet and not only has the defense has suffered with some growing pains, the evidence is glaring.

That is how I see it but if you feel the talent is improved, um where? How? I just don't see what you are seeing.

 
This is why I said DQ is a #2 now, the talent is better around him - he doesn't need to make all the plays anymore.
You keep saying this so could you explain something to me.Last year, when the talent on the Browns would have been worse according to you, the Cleveland Browns defense finished 5th in the entire NFL but this year they currently rank 27th?

I mean if the talent were the same or similiar I would expect they would rank within ten spot of where they ranked last year but since you keep saying the talent is improved how could an improved team rank 22 places lower?

I like the additions but I do not feel they are up to speed yet and not only has the defense has suffered with some growing pains, the evidence is glaring.

That is how I see it but if you feel the talent is improved, um where? How? I just don't see what you are seeing.
Because our Haden-less secondary was torched vs. the Bengals and the Bills until Spiller went down. The front 7 is not the problem and I think you'll see that in the stats once Haden comes back and especially when Taylor comes back. DQ is competing with front 6-7 guys for tackles, not the back 4-5.

 
This is why I said DQ is a #2 now, the talent is better around him - he doesn't need to make all the plays anymore.
You keep saying this so could you explain something to me.Last year, when the talent on the Browns would have been worse according to you, the Cleveland Browns defense finished 5th in the entire NFL but this year they currently rank 27th?

I mean if the talent were the same or similiar I would expect they would rank within ten spot of where they ranked last year but since you keep saying the talent is improved how could an improved team rank 22 places lower?

I like the additions but I do not feel they are up to speed yet and not only has the defense has suffered with some growing pains, the evidence is glaring.

That is how I see it but if you feel the talent is improved, um where? How? I just don't see what you are seeing.
Because our Haden-less secondary was torched vs. the Bengals and the Bills until Spiller went down. The front 7 is not the problem and I think you'll see that in the stats once Haden comes back and especially when Taylor comes back. DQ is competing with front 6-7 guys for tackles, not the back 4-5.
Haden is awesome but in the only game he played this year the team gave up more yards than in any other game.1. PHI (With Joe Haden) the defense gave up - 456 yards

without Haden>>

2. CIN - 375

3. BUF - 344

4. BAL - 438

No question the defense is better with Joe Haden but when he played this year the defense gave up more yards than any other game. I think the reason is obvious.

The young additions have talent but they are rookies and they make mistakes. Once Haden and DT Phil Taylor are back then the differene from last year to this year would be the young LBers.

I really like Craig Roberston's abilty in coverage but I'd like to see LB James Michael Johnson get involved with the hope he would eventualy take over for LB Scott Fujita. I think we miss LB Chris Gocong and we still need pass rushers and it evident that we utterly lack starting caliber CBs opposite Haden.

CB Dimitri Patterson is small and not strong enough to hang with big-tall-strong WRs like Anquan Boldin who ate him up Thursday Night. Buster Skrine is super fast but he's also smaller and not very strong and he tends to over run the action and give up bigger plays than he should. Also our FS position is a mess.

Haden allows the defense to get away with many things but he masks many weakness' such as the lack of pass rushers and quality outside linebackers and a big hole at FS.

I like the additions but I don't feel they are up to speed and I also see other areas that need upgrading but that is just how I see it.

 

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