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[DaveGrumbles]

But he generally stayed injury free last season

Umm, he only played in 54 games last year.

Umm, he had surgery in the offseason for the knee injury he played through during their championship run that summer and therefore missed the beginning of the season.

OK. So he was healthy besides the fact that he wasnt healthy for the first 30 games of the year. Is that correct?

Who said healthy?...I said injury free. Having a surgery isn't sustaining an injury or being injury prone, which is what what we were discussing. He could have had the surgery during the playoffs the season before but rightfully decided to miss meaningless early games as opposed to the important ones down the stretch. So no, he didn't sustain any significant injuries during last season but he did the year before. Thanks for stopping by to nitpick though...always a pleasure.

 

[JMon348]

Pretty freaking special.

33 years old, 16th season, more nagging injuries than anyone in the NBA, written off, labeled every negative label you can think of.

Second leading scorer in the NBA, 6 assists, 6 rebounds, and plays like

.This guy never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Gr00vus]

Kobe was on last night.

On the opposite end of the spectrum...

Derek Fisher: 24 minutes, 0 points, 1 board, 5 assists, 5 turnovers. Please retire now. At least Blake contributed 13 points with his 5 turnovers and Bynum grabbed 15 boards with his 5 turnovers.

27 turnovers. 27!!!!

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Kobe was on last night.

On the opposite end of the spectrum...

Derek Fisher: 24 minutes, 0 points, 1 board, 5 assists, 5 turnovers. Please retire now. At least Blake contributed 13 points with his 5 turnovers and Bynum grabbed 15 boards with his 5 turnovers.

27 turnovers. 27!!!!

It'll be sooner than later that we start to see Morris on the active roster. Goudelock is also starting to get a sniff lately too. Right now the 1 and back up 2 spots are in awful shape offensively and defensively. They really are stuck with what they have too unless they're gonna go down the Gilbert Arenas route.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Kobe was on last night.

On the opposite end of the spectrum...

Derek Fisher: 24 minutes, 0 points, 1 board, 5 assists, 5 turnovers. Please retire now. At least Blake contributed 13 points with his 5 turnovers and Bynum grabbed 15 boards with his 5 turnovers.

27 turnovers. 27!!!!

Those turnovers were horrible. Seemed like most were completely unforced. And yeah, Fisher's done. He needs to be sitting next to Walton. I guess they don't want to hurt his feelings but come on.

 

[Gr00vus]

They really are stuck with what they have too unless they're gonna go down the Gilbert Arenas route.

I'm ambivalent about that route. I could see him being productive on the 2nd unit. There are long stretches with some of the lineups Brown puts out there with the subs that there's absolutely no threat of scoring. I could also see him blowing up what seems to be a fragile clubhouse, particularly if he can't handle a back up role. Its interesting that there haven't been many (any?) Arenas to whoever rumors. I figure there are reasons for that.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Its interesting that there haven't been many (any?) Arenas to whoever rumors. I figure there are reasons for that.

Its because he's a volume guy and nobody is willing to turnover a majority of their possessions to Arenas anymore. Could he help the Lakers bench?...probably...but like you said he hasn't shown himself to be a role player yet. It's kinda like the Iverson in Memphis deal. He could actually be helpful in the right situation but until he accepts his current skill level, he's going to be a cancer.

 

[Gr00vus]

Its interesting that there haven't been many (any?) Arenas to whoever rumors. I figure there are reasons for that.

Its because he's a volume guy and nobody is willing to turnover a majority of their possessions to Arenas anymore. Could he help the Lakers bench?...probably...but like you said he hasn't shown himself to be a role player yet. It's kinda like the Iverson in Memphis deal. He could actually be helpful in the right situation but until he accepts his current skill level, he's going to be a cancer.

Well, that and brandishing firearms at his teammates.

 

[timschochet]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. He is not fast at all, and struggles mightily against speed, but the guy is always willing to stop the ball and thus remains a good defender. He is useful on offense with his spacing and assists. He is clutch in key situations, and he provides team leadership in the locker room. I am a big Fish fan and very glad he's on the team.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. He is not fast at all, and struggles mightily against speed, but the guy is always willing to stop the ball and thus remains a good defender. He is useful on offense with his spacing and assists. He is clutch in key situations, and he provides team leadership in the locker room. I am a big Fish fan and very glad he's on the team.

I'm fine with him being on the team. I'd just rather he wasn't on the COURT.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. He is not fast at all, and struggles mightily against speed, but the guy is always willing to stop the ball and thus remains a good defender. He is useful on offense with his spacing and assists. He is clutch in key situations, and he provides team leadership in the locker room. I am a big Fish fan and very glad he's on the team.

I'm fine with him being on the team. I'd just rather he wasn't on the COURT.

Yeah, he should be wearing a suit and holding a clipboard at this point.

 

[the moops]

Fisher a good defender. hahahahaha. good one.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Fisher a good defender. hahahahaha. good one.

Maybe not but Vlade did a good job of teaching him the art of flopping.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Its interesting that there haven't been many (any?) Arenas to whoever rumors. I figure there are reasons for that.

Its because he's a volume guy and nobody is willing to turnover a majority of their possessions to Arenas anymore. Could he help the Lakers bench?...probably...but like you said he hasn't shown himself to be a role player yet. It's kinda like the Iverson in Memphis deal. He could actually be helpful in the right situation but until he accepts his current skill level, he's going to be a cancer.

Well, that and brandishing firearms at his teammates.

Well looking back he just might have saved his life with that move...speaking of...I hear Crittenton's out on bond while awaiting his murder trial. He can play a little PG.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. team.

That's because he's been done for 3 or 4 years now. It's a little easier for a bad PG to hide in the triangle. His on the ball defense is just non existent and his offense consists of hitting a low percentage of wide open looks. I'm pretty sure the Lakers can find plenty of guys to do the same. The loyalty is admirable and I love the guy, but its definitely time to move into the coaching game.

 

[EYLive]

Fisher a good defender. hahahahaha. good one.

All he does is TRY to take charges. It's sad really. He's 1 for 12 in 3pt attempts, but amazingly, his assists are way up and respectable this season. Go fig.Lakers pretty much haven't given a damn about ball security these past few years, but last night's turn over display was brutal.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. He is not fast at all, and struggles mightily against speed, but the guy is always willing to stop the ball and thus remains a good defender. He is useful on offense with his spacing and assists. He is clutch in key situations, and he provides team leadership in the locker room. I am a big Fish fan and very glad he's on the team.

Are you accidentally watching NBA rewind games from the early 2000s? Is Kobe wearing #8 in the games your watching?

 

[Gr00vus]

Watching Fisher try to drive is high comedy. It's obvious his sole goal is to get fouled, he's not even attempting to hit a shot. It's been like that for a while now too, but as mentioned earlier, now that the triangle is gone it's even more prevalent, and pathetic.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Watching Fisher try to drive is high comedy. It's obvious his sole goal is to get fouled, he's not even attempting to hit a shot. It's been like that for a while now too, but as mentioned earlier, now that the triangle is gone it's even more prevalent, and pathetic.

How much more rope can Brown give him? It's a very sticky situation - Brown being the new guy, Fish being the vet with rings and more importantly, he's Kobe's guy. How does Brown handle it? Does he give Fish another 10 games and then have a private sit down, showing him data pointing out how awful his production is, and how giving Blake more minutes makes the team better?

 

[Gr00vus]

Watching Fisher try to drive is high comedy. It's obvious his sole goal is to get fouled, he's not even attempting to hit a shot. It's been like that for a while now too, but as mentioned earlier, now that the triangle is gone it's even more prevalent, and pathetic.

How much more rope can Brown give him? It's a very sticky situation - Brown being the new guy, Fish being the vet with rings and more importantly, he's Kobe's guy. How does Brown handle it? Does he give Fish another 10 games and then have a private sit down, showing him data pointing out how awful his production is, and how giving Blake more minutes makes the team better?

~I have no idea. I wonder how much he's exposing Fisher's foibles when they study the video. Seems like if they play the game back without editing his "contributions" out it'd be pretty obvious he needs to retire - if you're not living in fantasy land. Morris needs to start getting some minutes. The worse news, Fisher has a ~$3M player option for next year too.

 

[rodg12]

Turnover display last night was pathetic. Fish looked awful. Blake didn't look much better. PG situation in LA is as bad as I can remember for any team I've ever seen.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Watching Fisher try to drive is high comedy. It's obvious his sole goal is to get fouled, he's not even attempting to hit a shot. It's been like that for a while now too, but as mentioned earlier, now that the triangle is gone it's even more prevalent, and pathetic.

How much more rope can Brown give him? It's a very sticky situation - Brown being the new guy, Fish being the vet with rings and more importantly, he's Kobe's guy. How does Brown handle it? Does he give Fish another 10 games and then have a private sit down, showing him data pointing out how awful his production is, and how giving Blake more minutes makes the team better?

I see this playing out slowly to ease the transition a bit. If you rip off the band aid it becomes a story to the media and pushes Kobe into another crabby fit. By slowly giving him less and less minutes it won't be such a shock sometime in March when he just doesn't get in the game at all.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Watching Fisher try to drive is high comedy. It's obvious his sole goal is to get fouled, he's not even attempting to hit a shot. It's been like that for a while now too, but as mentioned earlier, now that the triangle is gone it's even more prevalent, and pathetic.

How much more rope can Brown give him? It's a very sticky situation - Brown being the new guy, Fish being the vet with rings and more importantly, he's Kobe's guy. How does Brown handle it? Does he give Fish another 10 games and then have a private sit down, showing him data pointing out how awful his production is, and how giving Blake more minutes makes the team better?

I see this playing out slowly to ease the transition a bit. If you rip off the band aid it becomes a story to the media and pushes Kobe into another crabby fit. By slowly giving him less and less minutes it won't be such a shock sometime in March when he just doesn't get in the game at all.

I'd be stunned if we saw any "DNP-CD" this year. Morris may be a long term fit, but I don't think he's ready to get 15+ minutes this year.

 

[Gr00vus]

I'd be stunned if we saw any "DNP-CD" this year. Morris may be a long term fit, but I don't think he's ready to get 15+ minutes this year.

I agree about Morris, but some minutes would be good. Either that or send him to the D league. There's some value in sticking with the big squad and learning, but not as much as normal due to the compressed schedule and lack of practice time. He needs PT somewhere to get better.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

There's some value in sticking with the big squad and learning,

I agree. January minutes with Kobe and Gasol will only help him down the road. I don't think he's so raw that he couldn't develop into a decent 10-15 min a game contributer by playoff time.

 

[Gr00vus]

There's some value in sticking with the big squad and learning,

I agree. January minutes with Kobe and Gasol will only help him down the road. I don't think he's so raw that he couldn't develop into a decent 10-15 min a game contributer by playoff time.

Beyond that, you need to get a feel for what the guy can do to help the team. You probably can't say for sure he'll be an adequate solution for the future, but you can at least get some sense of it, which you can't really do if he's not playing in games.

 

[tommyGunZ]

There's some value in sticking with the big squad and learning,

I agree. January minutes with Kobe and Gasol will only help him down the road. I don't think he's so raw that he couldn't develop into a decent 10-15 min a game contributer by playoff time.

Beyond that, you need to get a feel for what the guy can do to help the team. You probably can't say for sure he'll be an adequate solution for the future, but you can at least get some sense of it, which you can't really do if he's not playing in games.

Hey, I'm all for Morris getting PT if he's a reasonable alternative, but there's a reason "Wheels" hasn't even been active yet this season, much less seeing minutes. No training camp, no real preseason means he's just learning. I have to think that if Brown felt he could help he'd at least be dressing.

 

[Gr00vus]

There's some value in sticking with the big squad and learning,

I agree. January minutes with Kobe and Gasol will only help him down the road. I don't think he's so raw that he couldn't develop into a decent 10-15 min a game contributer by playoff time.

Beyond that, you need to get a feel for what the guy can do to help the team. You probably can't say for sure he'll be an adequate solution for the future, but you can at least get some sense of it, which you can't really do if he's not playing in games.

Hey, I'm all for Morris getting PT if he's a reasonable alternative, but there's a reason "Wheels" hasn't even been active yet this season, much less seeing minutes. No training camp, no real preseason means he's just learning. I have to think that if Brown felt he could help he'd at least be dressing.

Sure, but how's he going to get better if he never plays, particularly since they're having fewer practices than during a normal season? That's why I'm saying if he's really not going to play here, send him to the D league for a while.Beyond that - could he be that much worse than Fisher at this point?

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Beyond that - could he be that much worse than Fisher at this point?

This. Plus why waste an active roster spot on Walton when possible garbage time minutes could be given to someone that might actually have a future with the team?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Beyond that - could he be that much worse than Fisher at this point?

Yes. Fisher's awful, but we don't even know if Morris is a professional player at this point.I agree that he should be D-leagued if he's not going to dress. I'm guessing the Lakers are keeping him around the team for the first 3-4 weeks to learn, and then they'll send him down to apply what he's learned so that he'll know what he should be working on. I liked the pick and am hopeful he'll be a part of the Lakers future, but he's what, 9 games into his 1st season with no training camp and no pre-season? I think it's asking a lot to suggest a 2nd round pick "needs" to be in the rotation.

 

[Gr00vus]

Beyond that - could he be that much worse than Fisher at this point?

Yes. Fisher's awful, but we don't even know if Morris is a professional player at this point... I think it's asking a lot to suggest a 2nd round pick "needs" to be in the rotation.

I say againerek Fisher: 0 points on 0-3 shooting, 1 board, 2 fouls, 5 assists, 5 turnovers in 24 minutes. He did draw one charge on a flop.

Not that it means a whole lot, particularly this early in the season, but in terms of PER, Fisher ranks 96 out of 100 for guards this year. At least he's ahead of Jameer Nelson - suck it cappy!

You can't give a few of those minutes to Morris and maybe make your useless 4th small forward inactive?

 

[Gr00vus]

Hey JMon, give that Kobe blow up doll a kiss from me.

How many dudes have had a sweeter J than this guy?

Gotta believe Grant Hill is reconsidering either not retiring or at least not getting out of the Pacific Division tonight.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Hey JMon, give that Kobe blow up doll a kiss from me.How many dudes have had a sweeter J than this guy? Gotta believe Grant Hill is reconsidering either not retiring or at least not getting out of the Pacific Division tonight.

LOL at the haters throwing dirt on Kobe's grave before the season. Dude isn't even close to being finished. If/when the Bynum/Howard trade goes through, this team will be a very tough out in the playoffs.

 

[drummer]

But he generally stayed injury free last season

Umm, he only played in 54 games last year.

Umm, he had surgery in the offseason for the knee injury he played through during their championship run that summer and therefore missed the beginning of the season.

OK. So he was healthy besides the fact that he wasnt healthy for the first 30 games of the year. Is that correct?

Who said healthy?...I said injury free. Having a surgery isn't sustaining an injury or being injury prone, which is what what we were discussing. He could have had the surgery during the playoffs the season before but rightfully decided to miss meaningless early games as opposed to the important ones down the stretch. So no, he didn't sustain any significant injuries during last season but he did the year before. Thanks for stopping by to nitpick though...always a pleasure.

moops is just hangin' out talking Laker Basketball. He doesn't know what he is talking about, but hey, cut him some slack. He got nuthin' betta else to do.

 

[drummer]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. He is not fast at all, and struggles mightily against speed, but the guy is always willing to stop the ball and thus remains a good defender. He is useful on offense with his spacing and assists. He is clutch in key situations, and he provides team leadership in the locker room. I am a big Fish fan and very glad he's on the team.

Well, you ain't agreeing with Laker fans who have known for years that the Lakers need a real PG. Who Fisher ain't. The real question is why are you here?

 

[JMon348]

Hey JMon, give that Kobe blow up doll a kiss from me.How many dudes have had a sweeter J than this guy? Gotta believe Grant Hill is reconsidering either not retiring or at least not getting out of the Pacific Division tonight.

What a pleasure it has been to watch this guy this year. 48 points is the most in NBA history for a player in his 16th+ season.

"He's the best player in the game, so you come to expect that type of performance from him, if not regularly, then throughout the season at different times," Nash said. "He was phenomenal."

33 years old in his 16th season getting props from his fellow 96 draft alum.

"If he don't care about his wrist, I don't care about his wrist," Frye said. "Everybody makes a big deal about it, but he's been scoring 28, 30 a game. So let's just call it what it is. He's a great player, he's the best individual player in basketball, and every night he comes to work. For us, we don't like losing to the Lakers. But they came out and played a good game, and he played an amazing game."

Add Mr. Frye to the list. In his 16th season players still calling him the best........

There has been speculation as to Kobe being on the decline. Given Tuesday's performance of an NBA-best 48 points this season, that could not be further from the truth. He is averaging more points, assists and rebounds per game than in any of his three previous seasons. In two of those seasons he was anything but on the decline, being named NBA Finals Most Valuable player. Kobe Bryant is currently second in the league in scoring. Every single player in the top 10 in scoring so far in this NBA campaign is at least 27 years old or younger with the exception of Bryant. He is averaging nearly 10 points more per game than Derrick Rose, last year's MVP. Kobe Bryant has 324 points through his first 11 games this season. That is the third most since 1985 among players who are least 33 years old. However when we examine this further, Kobe has been in the association for 16 years. King and Jordan had the benefit of having fewer miles on their odometer. Keep in mind that in 14 different seasons Kobe Bryant has played in the postseason.

Pretty ####### cool.

 

[timschochet]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. He is not fast at all, and struggles mightily against speed, but the guy is always willing to stop the ball and thus remains a good defender. He is useful on offense with his spacing and assists. He is clutch in key situations, and he provides team leadership in the locker room. I am a big Fish fan and very glad he's on the team.

Well, you ain't agreeing with Laker fans who have known for years that the Lakers need a real PG. Who Fisher ain't. The real question is why are you here?

I never said the Lakers didn't need a real PG. Of course they do. Fisher is not a suitable starter, IMO. But he's still valuable and worth SOME minutes. That's all I'm saying. He's not completely done.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I don't agree that Fisher's done. I've been hearing this from fellow Laker fans for 3-4 years now, or longer. He is not fast at all, and struggles mightily against speed, but the guy is always willing to stop the ball and thus remains a good defender. He is useful on offense with his spacing and assists. He is clutch in key situations, and he provides team leadership in the locker room. I am a big Fish fan and very glad he's on the team.

Well, you ain't agreeing with Laker fans who have known for years that the Lakers need a real PG. Who Fisher ain't. The real question is why are you here?

I never said the Lakers didn't need a real PG. Of course they do. Fisher is not a suitable starter, IMO. But he's still valuable and worth SOME minutes. That's all I'm saying. He's not completely done.

Agreed. Fisher would be great for garbage time when the team is up 25 or more.

 

[Gr00vus]

I love watching the Kobe show right now, but he does need a bit more rest, don't you think? They're talking about his right wrist & hand swelling up huge and him wearing some kind of oven mitt on his hand all the time when he's not playing. Is it something that can't be fixed, requires surgery to fix or just an extended rest period?

There's a very rough stretch of schedule coming up here after Friday night's Cleveland game:

Starting Saturday it's: Clippers, Mavs, @Heat, @Orlando (those two are back to back), Indiana, Clippers - I'm hoping for 3-3. The good news is it's only 6 games in 11 days & 1 brief road trip to Fla.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I love watching the Kobe show right now, but he does need a bit more rest, don't you think? They're talking about his right wrist & hand swelling up huge and him wearing some kind of oven mitt on his hand all the time when he's not playing. Is it something that can't be fixed, requires surgery to fix or just an extended rest period?There's a very rough stretch of schedule coming up here after Friday night's Cleveland game:Starting Saturday it's: Clippers, Mavs, @Heat, @Orlando (those two are back to back), Indiana, Clippers - I'm hoping for 3-3. The good news is it's only 6 games in 11 days & 1 brief road trip to Fla.

I think Brown is extending him a bit due to the new system and the roster being short early (Bynum out early, now McRoberts, Kapono last night, etc.) I'd hope they start limiting his minutes somewhat over the next couple weeks once guys have gotten more comfortable and everyone's back. Not having Shannon Brown (or even Von Wafer) to spell Kobe hurts.

 

[Gr00vus]

I love watching the Kobe show right now, but he does need a bit more rest, don't you think? They're talking about his right wrist & hand swelling up huge and him wearing some kind of oven mitt on his hand all the time when he's not playing. Is it something that can't be fixed, requires surgery to fix or just an extended rest period?There's a very rough stretch of schedule coming up here after Friday night's Cleveland game:Starting Saturday it's: Clippers, Mavs, @Heat, @Orlando (those two are back to back), Indiana, Clippers - I'm hoping for 3-3. The good news is it's only 6 games in 11 days & 1 brief road trip to Fla.

I think Brown is extending him a bit due to the new system and the roster being short early (Bynum out early, now McRoberts, Kapono last night, etc.) I'd hope they start limiting his minutes somewhat over the next couple weeks once guys have gotten more comfortable and everyone's back. Not having Shannon Brown (or even Von Wafer) to spell Kobe hurts.

Yeah, Goudelock was fresh meat out there last night. Totally clueless.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

If that was the last significant playing time Walton gets in a Laker uni, it was a nice way to go out. He and MWP really stepped up with all the backup bigs out last night.

 

[JMon348]

If that was the last significant playing time Walton gets in a Laker uni, it was a nice way to go out. He and MWP really stepped up with all the backup bigs out last night.

Crazy to think that this is 9th year as a Laker.

 

[Daywalker]

Not saying it means a whole lot but it's a bit relieving to see Kobe high-fiving without hesitation with that hand.

 

[JMon348]

405 points til 5th place all time

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38387

2. Karl Malone 36928

3. Michael Jordan 32292

4. Wilt Chamberlain 31419

5. Shaquille O'Neal 28596

6. Kobe Bryant 28192

7. Moses Malone 27409

8. Elvin Hayes 27313

9. Hakeem Olajuwon 26946

10.Oscar Robertson 26710

 

[Gr00vus]

405 points til 5th place all time

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38387

2. Karl Malone 36928

3. Michael Jordan 32292

4. Wilt Chamberlain 31419

5. Shaquille O'Neal 28596

6. Kobe Bryant 28192

7. Moses Malone 27409

8. Elvin Hayes 27313

9. Hakeem Olajuwon 26946

10.Oscar Robertson 26710

So, about 10 more games then? I have to imagine, apart from getting to the top, passing current #5 and current #3 will be particularly enjoyable moments for Kobe.

 

[EYLive]

Holy wow, Fisher is afraid to finish his layups and can't hit any 3's.

Artest shooting a jumpshot is pretty much just a turnover.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Pau for 3!

 

[EYLive]

Matt Harpring and the Utah homer announcers are a joke.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Matt Harpring and the Utah homer announcers are a joke.

GET THAT #### OUTTA HERE AL!