Draft Chat With our Draftniks Matt Waldman and Sigmund Bloom Tonight D (1 Viewer)

[Matt Waldman]

Titus Young is a speeder Peter Warrick as a runner, which I don't think is a good thing. He is not DeSean Jackson and I'm not loving that decision. He could develop into a strong player, but after they took Derrick Williams I'm beginning to think they are still trying to get the same idea right and I'm not convinced they did it.

Young will certainly have GOLDEN opportunity to seen 40-50 catches in this offense ala Maclin did as a rookie because he gets single coverage due to Johnson and Pettigrew.

He will likely rise up my dynasty rankings, but I'm not thrilled with the selection. First time I'll say that about a Lions pick lately.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Tampa likely to get another look at Bowers.

Perfect slot to take the risk on Bowers with your #1 DE target (Clayborn according to Dominik) already in the fold. Bucs needed multiple ends as well.

 

[netnalp]

The two Oline the Giants wanted are now gone. I'm guessing Leshoure. I think Bradshaw stays and Jacobs will have to restructure to stay.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Bowers to Tampa Bay... 32 picks and 24 hours later...

 

[David Dodds]

Well after everyone freaked out about ATL getting Jones and NO getting Jordan and Ingram, TB has landed their blow with Clayborn and Bowers.Bowers was a top 5 talent in this draft no question. Get the knee cleaned up, chalk up this year, and have a ridiculous set of young ends in 2012. I like the bold thinking.

This is a great pick this late. Maybe it fails, but a lot of players drafted here fail. This could be a homerun this late.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

No doubt about it, if Bowers knee holds up in year 2,3,4 of the rookie contract, TB got the steal of the draft. Love the cojones the organization is showing with NO and ATL making huge commitments for this year - tortoise/hare going on in NFC South.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Bowers-McCoy-Price(Miller)-Clayborn has some exciting potential as a young defensive line in a Tampa-2 scheme.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Costanza and Ijalana could be a hell of a combo for Indy....me no likey

 

[Matt Waldman]

Nothing like a DE rotation for Tampa and considering the arms race on offense with NO and ATL, Tampa might have a tough counter if it works out.

 

[Jene Bramel]

That's also the first I've heard that Bowers' January surgery involved microfracture. That didn't come out anywhere else, and since it was Mayock talking, I'm betting it's incorrect.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.Indy shows us how it's done.

Of course I agree CC, just not seeing the athleticism to be more than say, Visanthe Shiancoe or as I said earlier, Heath Miller as a fantasy TE - can you say more about your thoughts on Kendrick?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

No doubt about it, if Bowers knee holds up in year 2,3,4 of the rookie contract, TB got the steal of the draft. Love the cojones the organization is showing with NO and ATL making huge commitments for this year - tortoise/hare going on in NFC South.

NFC South is seriously playing "Can you top this" this draft. Could be strongest division in the NFL for Top 3 teams.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

RBs have to start going soon, as do WRs I would think.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Ok maybe I should back off on Kendrick a bit - this from a STL beat writer:

RT @miklasz Josh McDaniels really wanted this TE. Sees him as a valuable moving piece for formation flexibility. Think: 2010 New England.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.Indy shows us how it's done.

Of course I agree CC, just not seeing the athleticism to be more than say, Visanthe Shiancoe or as I said earlier, Heath Miller as a fantasy TE - can you say more about your thoughts on Kendrick?

I don't think athleticism was Shiancoe's problem - it has been his hands. He's not a stud athlete, but to compare him to Miller I think is an insult. Miller can't run as well as Shiancoe. He's smarter receiver and tough, but not as agile, quick, or fast as the Vikings guy you compared him to. I think Kendricks is closer to Shiancoe in athleticism than Miller.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Giants - could it be a RB, or a tackle (Cannon?), or even TE?

 

[shader]

Ok maybe I should back off on Kendrick a bit - this from a STL beat writer:RT @miklasz Josh McDaniels really wanted this TE. Sees him as a valuable moving piece for formation flexibility. Think: 2010 New England.

You know McDaniels is watching New England and that he'll copycat him. The WR's are so weak there, that I can't imagine Kendricks not succeeding there. He's got pretty good speed for a TE too.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Nice pick by the Giants...if Bowers didnt slide so far, we wouldve heard a lot more about Austin falling

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Giants - could it be a RB, or a tackle (Cannon?), or even TE?

None of the above. DT for Marvin Austin. Good value pick.

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.

okay, over/under on receptions his rookie year...go

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.Indy shows us how it's done.

Of course I agree CC, just not seeing the athleticism to be more than say, Visanthe Shiancoe or as I said earlier, Heath Miller as a fantasy TE - can you say more about your thoughts on Kendrick?

I don't think athleticism was Shiancoe's problem - it has been his hands. He's not a stud athlete, but to compare him to Miller I think is an insult. Miller can't run as well as Shiancoe. He's smarter receiver and tough, but not as agile, quick, or fast as the Vikings guy you compared him to. I think Kendricks is closer to Shiancoe in athleticism than Miller.

Totally hear you - just using Shiancoe/Miller as fantasy value comparisons, not so much talent comparisons.

 

[shader]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.

okay, over/under on receptions his rookie year...go

55

 

[Matt Waldman]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.Indy shows us how it's done.

Of course I agree CC, just not seeing the athleticism to be more than say, Visanthe Shiancoe or as I said earlier, Heath Miller as a fantasy TE - can you say more about your thoughts on Kendrick?

I don't think athleticism was Shiancoe's problem - it has been his hands. He's not a stud athlete, but to compare him to Miller I think is an insult. Miller can't run as well as Shiancoe. He's smarter receiver and tough, but not as agile, quick, or fast as the Vikings guy you compared him to. I think Kendricks is closer to Shiancoe in athleticism than Miller.

Totally hear you - just using Shiancoe/Miller as fantasy value comparisons, not so much talent comparisons.

Gotcha

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Ok maybe I should back off on Kendrick a bit - this from a STL beat writer:RT @miklasz Josh McDaniels really wanted this TE. Sees him as a valuable moving piece for formation flexibility. Think: 2010 New England.

You know McDaniels is watching New England and that he'll copycat him. The WR's are so weak there, that I can't imagine Kendricks not succeeding there. He's got pretty good speed for a TE too.

If Avery and Alexander can stay healthy, they're better than people think. Amendola will be a useful piece and Clayton might be brought back too.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Giants - could it be a RB, or a tackle (Cannon?), or even TE?

Is Cannon still supposed to be a 2nd round pick?? I thought the Lymphoma diagnoses would drop him to at least mid-late 3rd

 

[Matt Waldman]

Mikel LeShoure still hanging around, eh? Think he falls to third round? Would this be a shocker to you guys?

 

[Chaos Commish]

He will likely rise up my dynasty rankings, but I'm not thrilled with the selection. First time I'll say that about a Lions pick lately.

Does that mean you won't be switching allegiances to the Lions?I like Young for what he is and that isn't an early 2nd rounder.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Eagles coming up - have to be considering CB.

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.

okay, over/under on receptions his rookie year...go

55

Pretty good number for a rookie TE...just sayinyou don't have to have Vernon Davis combine measurables to put up big numbers/stats at TE.

 

[Athletic Supporter]

WAS TRADES WITH CHI

 

[shader]

Ok maybe I should back off on Kendrick a bit - this from a STL beat writer:RT @miklasz Josh McDaniels really wanted this TE. Sees him as a valuable moving piece for formation flexibility. Think: 2010 New England.

You know McDaniels is watching New England and that he'll copycat him. The WR's are so weak there, that I can't imagine Kendricks not succeeding there. He's got pretty good speed for a TE too.

If Avery and Alexander can stay healthy, they're better than people think. Amendola will be a useful piece and Clayton might be brought back too.

I've got high hope for Alexander, but his knee is "Bowerish" (to coin a new term), and it's hard to be excited for Avery in year one after this injury.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Giants - could it be a RB, or a tackle (Cannon?), or even TE?

Is Cannon still supposed to be a 2nd round pick?? I thought the Lymphoma diagnoses would drop him to at least mid-late 3rd

I'd think it would drop him at least to the 4th round. He's going to need chemo and he should beat this thing. Good luck to Cannon anyway.

 

[DexterDew]

Bears traded up for???

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Giants - could it be a RB, or a tackle (Cannon?), or even TE?

Is Cannon still supposed to be a 2nd round pick?? I thought the Lymphoma diagnoses would drop him to at least mid-late 3rd

Forgot about that.... probably not going to be even in the third given all the concerns about health for players.

 

[shader]

I don't expect much from Kendricks and think it was a poor choice.

okay, over/under on receptions his rookie year...go

55

Pretty good number for a rookie TE...just sayinyou don't have to have Vernon Davis combine numbers to put up big numbers at TE.

I agree. Bradford has to throw it to somebody.

 

[LHUCKS]

I like Young for what he is and that isn't an early 2nd rounder.

exactly

 

[shader]

Redskins turning into the Patriots in this draft. Gotta love it if you are a Skins fan.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Paea replaces Harris. Good pick.

 

[DexterDew]

DT Paea of Oregon State

 

[David Dodds]

Mikel LeShoure still hanging around, eh? Think he falls to third round? Would this be a shocker to you guys?

Maybe NE at 56 or 60?

 

[shader]

Nice pick for da Bears. Addressing both sides of the line in this one.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Gotta love the Giants, like the value drafter you hate in your fantasy draft who gets the guy who falls too far for no good reason in every round. Giants defensive has ridiculous depth on the DL and in the secondary. They lack playmakers at LB and they need Kenny Phillips to return to pre-injury form, but at NYG depth chart on the DL and at CB

 

[Matt Waldman]

He will likely rise up my dynasty rankings, but I'm not thrilled with the selection. First time I'll say that about a Lions pick lately.

Does that mean you won't be switching allegiances to the Lions?I like Young for what he is and that isn't an early 2nd rounder.

Nope. Still my (first) NFC team I'm cheering for. I do honor my commitments

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Is Washington compiling picks for next year to acquire Andrew Luck? Thought they might be looking at Mallett here.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Paea replaces Harris. Good pick.

pronounced "pie" I thought it was like the spanish dish Pallella.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Paea replaces Harris. Good pick.

Maybe not the explosive upside of Liuget or Austin, but a pretty good 3-technique prospect.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Paea replaces Harris. Good pick.

Maybe not the explosive upside of Liuget or Austin, but a pretty good 3-technique prospect.

Jene, tell us why he's a good 3-technique prospect. Not questioning you, just want to see you explain it to folks here.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Mikel LeShoure still hanging around, eh? Think he falls to third round? Would this be a shocker to you guys?

I think the depth at RB has driven down the price of all the RBs. Ingram is a top 10-15 overall talent, better than Moreno who went 12. Williams (at least 2009 Williams) is a 20-25 overall pick. Leshoure is a late first-early second level pick.Still think LeShoure has the highest physical upside of any back in this class...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Well, the Eagles really were serious about moving on from Mikell. Jarrett should be your #1 fantasy safety.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Well, the Eagles really were serious about moving on from Mikell. Jarrett should be your #1 fantasy safety.

Agreed. "Reached" a couple of rounds early for him, maybe, but he's the presumptive SS here and a much better bet for tackles than Rahim Moore.