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The guy was the supposed #1 pick just before the combine. You heard almost nothing from him after that. I'm not saying it's an EPIC slide(i.e. DeQuan Bowers), but there were absolutely issues. Otherwise, he would have gone to Buffalo.
There will be some type of draft even if they have to create rules on the fly or extend the old cba draft rules again. They won't let it turn into a free for all to the highest bidders on rookies. That would be the beginning of a quick end for the nfl.
Dareus was and is a better pick, so no he wouldnt have gone for sure. But Fairley was the 2nd best DT on my board, and to question his slide for anything more then a total of 6 QBs/WRs went ahead of him, and a little luck for the Lions finally...is a rushed judgement, no?.Some say work ethic, but at this point....meh, I'll take talent any day.
Good teams don't draft for need.
I bet the people who think that are Pierre Thomas or Chris Ivory owners.
Yeah, hopefully Denver gets up to 5 or 6 wins this year.
You keep asking why 12 teams passed on him?You talked about team need, you just answered your own question. 4 teams needed a QB, 2 needed stud WRS, infact 2 teams traded ahead of the Lions to take Gabbert and Jones. So its not the question of 12 teams passing on him, its like saying why the Lions passed on Ingram when they really only have Best and he has health issues himself. Bigger need, and a lot of other teams didnt need a DT, heck the Lions really didnt, but the talent and upside was too high in their eyes. they seen Suh for a whole year, I trust their judgement on a good DT at this point.I think people are really questioning, could the Lions really be that lucky to get Fairley? lol.Cuz i was shocked he was their, but breaking it down, I understand the fall for draft outcome.
i don't think it is necessarily a bad move. they got tremendous value really here. it looks like they were not planning to keep Reggie. there are some concerns about the position given the injuries to PT and Ivory. they did just sign thomas to something like a 4 year extension, so it seemed to indicate they have confidence in him. but i understand how last year showcased how important quality RB depth is to this team. they just couldn't afford to trot out some guy off the street again this year. sean payton loves his toys!
Every team needs a stud DT, thats not why they didnt take him. I would argue the Lions needed him less than the 12 teams before them. They were just the first team brave enough to take the chance...which i happen to agree with, he was a steal there.
Because they don't have any qualms about taking the lowest character guys every year.
Like personal hygiene, character is way overrated in football players. I'd like to see discipline revert back to the individual teams and have Al Davis and Steve Bisciotti buy up ALL the criminals.
It was an honest mistake. I was posting that at 1:30 in the morning and tired. Being a Bears fan, maybe I just have a mental block about that game:(
Even with the Addai stat left included, the remaining stats are pretty darn convincing to me. The stats work heavily in his favor.
Well, technically he is 26 - will be 27 in November of 2011, but your point on age/football experience is a good one. The Eagles needed a serious upgrade to the interior of their O-line, so expect Watkins to move inside. He possesses the athletic ability and agility that newly hired O-Line coach (from the Colts) Howard Mudd prefers. The Eagles probably feel they have a good window of 3-5 years to be able to be a Super Bowl contender. Obviously, they give up some long term value- but am sure the thought is Watkins has the ability and maturity to be a contributor at a high level right from the jump. Most guards start to seriously decline around age 32- the current average age of O-Lineman is right around 27.8 years. Watkins also has a lot less wear/tear than other O-Lineman his age.If they can get 5 solid to All-Pro years at of this pick, the Eagles/fans should be very happy. I would give the pick a solid B.
Giants: Winners. The Giants current staff has been pretty solid in evaluating talent in the draft. I take them over the unproven Dallas staff, especially when the best compliment you could give the Cowboys is they didn't screw it up. Not a sterling endorsement.
On other teams I wouldn't be as confident about Fairley, but I'm a firm believer that players tend to be influenced by those around them. Suh is simply the best DT in the game and KVB is one of the hardest workers. Neither is going to let Fairley slack and I'm guessing their influence won't have to be forced.
:good posting:Atlanta could very well have just aquired the next dynamic duo of WR's, ala Boldin and Fitz. This is the perfect pick for them to make a run NOW. Considering the ages of some of their skill position players (White, Turner, Gonzo), it was important for them to get bold and open that window a little more because it was starting to quickly close. And now Ryan has another weapon that will grow along with him. Jones will be a mature, seasoned pro right around the time White drops off.I was shocked at what they gave up at first, but I think it was well worth it for them in the end. GREAT PICK
After dealing with Gholston, I'd trade some dedication for talent. As Payne said, the pick at 13 for Fairley is better for the Lions since their defensive leadership is also on the line and he will be in the trenches with them (side note: I also feel Fairley is much more decicated than Gholston was when he went in the draft). If a team like Cincy picks him at 13, it is not as good of a pick, IMO.
^ QFT
Yeah, I would't smile when the Giants make a pick...I would be wondering what I missed. They do have a great eye for talent and are not scared to overload on positions when talent is there. The last thing they needed years ago was Justin Tuck...with Strahan, Kiwanuka and Osi there it almost seemed ridiculous to take Tuck, but they did because he fell in the draft and a few years later, it has revealed the pick was not only good, but necessary. You could make the same arguement for Mario Manningham. At the time the Giants had Plax, Moss, Steve Smith and I believe Toomer (though he may have been gone by then or about to). Even with adding Nicks, Manningham has played a prominent role in the passing game and they would have been in real trouble last year if he were not on the team...we could be making the same arguement in a couple of years for Ramses Barden.
Miami's beat writer tweeted after the pick of Dareus "Miami had better get pouncey with all the beef at NT in the AFCE"
He's on his way and probably will be, but Kyle Williams is still better for now. Nobody outside of Buffalo (and maybe Pittsburgh after Williams almost singlehandedly beat them), has any clue just how good Williams is.
Amen to this... I guess hindsight is 20/20 and to look back on any team, we'd see, "if we had just drafted so and so" how much better off they may have been. But continually trading down generally seems to be better for a rebuilding team... **Hi Cleveland!** Curious to see how all this trading down will pay off for New England. (though trading up for Gronkowski seems like a recent win.)
PARTY POOPER!!!!
me too. Surprised people are dogging the Falcons. Here's a team that was #1 in the NFC last year, is clearly IN the Super Bowl window, and have to fend off the Saints and the up and coming Bucs in their own division. When Gonzo came over and was still tops, it made a huge difference in how that opened up the run game. I think the Falcons got just what they needed and don't have any holes that they can't easiy address with the rest of the draft/FA. Like someone said above, great teams don't draft based on need. It seems like a lot of people dogging the falcons are looking at this like they are running their fantasy team. But in the real world, the falcons know their window and where they are as a team. To me, this looks like it has the makings of the Colts. Roddy on one side, Jones on the other, Matty throwing it around. The running game still good for a while. The defense solid. Maybe the Falcons take a TE and bring him up as the Colts did Dallas clark. I am happy with the Falcons because at the end of THEIR day, they are a top NFC team with a legit shot to win a Super Bowl and they paly in a tough division.I like what the Redskins did. I don't understand at all what the Chargers did.The Eagles' pick will be better than what people think.No One is talking about the Texans' pick and it might be one of the most impactful ones of the draft.
Easy, Francis.
LOL. Actually, I'm just shooting off my mouth, and I'm not trying to piss off anyone here. It just seems funny to me that's all. BUT... we all have opinions, I do too. It's normal. We just ought not to be so sure of ourselves in those opinions.
Said the same thing last night.Im more at issue with people declaring bust and offering nothing to back it up.LOL. Actually, I'm just shooting off my mouth, and I'm not trying to piss off anyone here. It just seems funny to me that's all. BUT... we all have opinions, I do too. It's normal. We just ought not to be so sure of ourselves in those opinions.
Actually, no. If you read 'The Big Short' by Michael Lewis, you'll see that all the big banks, employing tens of thousands of exceptionally well-qualified, well-educated and extremely well-paid professionals, completely failed to understand the risk posed by collateralised debt obligations (the CDOs that blew up the global financial system); while a handful of eccentric amateurs sitting in their bedrooms (including one one-eyed medical student who posted his thoughts in the middle of the night on the internet), turned out to be right.The 'amateurs' are proved right over the 'professionals' a lot more than you might think, and I could cite numerous historical examples of that. So if some of you guys out there think you could do a better job than the general managers employed by NFL teams - actually, there's not a bad chance you probably could.
Normally I would agree and poo-poo the armchair QB'ing and the melo-dramatic "fire so and so now" rhetoric, but what else are we gonna talk about? Go back to debating the lockout some more? I think it's fun to read a lot of the opinions on here, some are reasoned and well argued, others are more emotional and sometimes hilarious. Every once in a while I pick up some nuggets of good information about teams I don't regularily follow as a bonus.Plus, with threads like these, we can always bump them 3 years from now and say "I told you so!" or ridicule the knee-jerk reactions. As a Texans fan, I would be more than happy to bump some Reggie Bush vs Vince Young vs Mario Williams threads to show some examples.LOL. Actually, I'm just shooting off my mouth, and I'm not trying to piss off anyone here. It just seems funny to me that's all. BUT... we all have opinions, I do too. It's normal. We just ought not to be so sure of ourselves in those opinions.
If you really want to know.. read this whole article.http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/04/26/SPLN1J81A8.DTL"The technology and information-gathering age got him," former 49ers, Rams and Cardinals scout Dave Razzano said. "These teams gather so much info that they talk themselves right out of players."
OK, I'll buy that. I stand corrected gentlemen of the thread, carry on! LOL.
shows how much you know! some of us might not be wearing underwear...
Please stop
And he was still good enough with THAT lack of experiance to be universally graded as a first rounder? I'd call that a WIN, or at the very least a neutral pick.
