Draft Day #1 winners/losers (1 Viewer)

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Howdy. Carolina is the biggest loser. The team set itself back 3-5 years. Additionally because they took Scam Newton, they will miss out on Andrew Luck even thought there is a great chance they pick #1 again in 2012. Still won't be able to put up points with Sccam. Won't win a game in their division with Scam. One of the tougher divisions in NFL right now. Best hope is to be able to trade the 2012 pick to a team in need of a QB, then watch that team excel while they try and teach Scam how to play NFL QB.

like a nice wine, this will get better with age.

 

[Limp Ditka]

How about that Mark Ingram?

 

[NBusiness]

The Vikings pooped in their mouths tonight.

You meant the Jags right

 

[Sabertooth]

The Vikings pooped in their mouths tonight.

You meant the Jags right

Both teams are bottom dwellers.

 

[Donnybrook]

The Vikings pooped in their mouths tonight.

You meant the Jags right

Both teams are bottom dwellers.

They would have bottom dwellers regardless who they took in the first round. It doesn't make Multiple Scores ignorant post any better.

 

[meatwad1]

These threads are fun to read through after the fact.

I will admit that.I thought Cam would be a bust. Looking back, the biggest loser is NO. Ingram is nothing special, he maybe is in the running to be the third best back on his team. That was a collosal waste. Vikings and Jags were also losers as those two qbs are going to be eaten alive and spit out by the end of next year. Even if they have talent, the best time to pick a qb that high is when the team is at rock bottom, not on the way down. Neither one of those guys has the stones to carry those teams through. Both teams could have picked a good lineman for depth at their spots and gotten by with a serviceable journeyman like Matt Moore or Hasselbeck, and maybe could have challenged for the playoffs this year, especially the Jags.

Biggest winner imo was Cinci, obviously. its not everyday that you hit two home runs in the first and second rounds.

 

[sho nuff]

Just for GB...1st round Sherrod.

Has not had to do much. Early on looked like it could be a bust of a pick as they tried him out at LG and he was beat out soundly by Lang (and Sherrod struggled there).

Struggled as he finally shifted to LT only and ended up 3rd on the depth chart at LT behind Clifton and Newhouse.

Was inactive for several games to start the year and then Clifton got hurt.

When Bulaga was also hurt he got his first action at RT.

Not a great job...but did fine, no major issues.

Looks solid enough to keep building on to continue to help in the future...BUT...he may never beat out the guys ahead of him at tackle (Bulaga and Newhouse).

Hard to grade it if he is capable but not going to get an opportunity because those ahead of him have played well (outside of going against Jared Allen).

Can we flop he and Cobb's draft position since round 2 is not day 1? Cobb makes up for them not getting production out of Sherrod anytime soon.

 

[FF Ninja]

JJ Watt looks legit. I'm very happy with the Texans draft pick. Hopefully TJ Yates turns out to be the best 5th round pick of all time...

 

[Raiderfan32904]

JJ Watt looks legit. I'm very happy with the Texans draft pick. Hopefully TJ Yates turns out to be the best 5th round pick of all time...

That would be Denarius Moore.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

1 Panthers Cam Newton QB

2 Broncos Von Miller LB

3 Bills Marcell Dareus DT

4 Bengals A.J. Green WR

5 Cardinals Patrick Peterson CB

6 Falcons Julio Jones WR

7 49ers Aldon Smith DE

8 Titans Jake Locker QB

9 Cowboys Tyron Smith OT

10 Jaguars Blaine Gabbert QB

11 Texans J.J. Watt DE

12 Vikings Christian Ponder QB

13 Lions Nick Fairley DT

14 Rams Robert Quinn DE

15 Dolphins Mike Pouncey OL

16 Redskins Ryan Kerrigan DE

17 Patriots Nate Solder OL

18 Chargers Corey Liuget DT

19 Giants Prince Amukamara CB

20 Buccaneers Adrian Clayborn DL

21 Browns Phil Taylor DL

22 Colts Anthony Castonzo OL

23 Eagles Danny Watkins OL

24 Saints Cameron Jordan DE

25 Seahawks James Carpenter OL

26 Chiefs Jonathan Baldwin WR

27 Ravens Jimmy Smith CB

28 Saints Mark Ingram RB

29 Bears Gabe Carimi OL

30 Jets Muhammad Wilkerson DT

31 Steelers Cam Heyward DT

32 Packers Derek Sherrod OL

Wins underlined above.

ATL & Julio - they spent what they spent to compete with NO & GB. Guess what, it didn't help, heck it might have hurt as they got away from what works for them.

Italics are misses, only one I can really identify is Gabbert.

The rest are pushes or probably just missing quite a few on both lists.

Would be interesting to see what local fans think about some of these guys.

 

[sho nuff]

Id say Kerrigan has been a win for Washington...6 sacks, an INT, 4 forced fumbles, and a defensive TD so far.

 

[EBF]

Aldon Smith has 7.5 sacks already this year. Definitely deserves to be a "hit" if you're going to put JJ Watt on the list of good picks.

 

[cacksman]

JJ Watt looks legit. I'm very happy with the Texans draft pick. Hopefully TJ Yates turns out to be the best 5th round pick of all time...

That would be Denarius Moore.

Richard Sherman. 6'3 CB for Seattle.

 

[Reepicheep]

Biggest winner imo was Cinci, obviously. its not everyday that you hit two home runs in the first and second rounds.

Yeah, the Bengals killed day 1 with Green and Dalton.

 

[Cookiemonster]

1 Panthers Cam Newton QB

2 Broncos Von Miller LB

3 Bills Marcell Dareus DT - Did pretty well until his DT partner got hurt. This D line was causing problems in the beginning of the season.

4 Bengals A.J. Green WR

5 Cardinals Patrick Peterson CB

6 Falcons Julio Jones WR - Has he not been a STUD when healthy?

7 49ers Aldon Smith DE

8 Titans Jake Locker QB - No decision.

9 Cowboys Tyron Smith OT

10 Jaguars Blaine Gabbert QB

11 Texans J.J. Watt DE

12 Vikings Christian Ponder QB - No decision.

13 Lions Nick Fairley DT - Only been in the lineup for a couple weeks due to injury and seems effective, but you don't underline Julio?

14 Rams Robert Quinn DE

15 Dolphins Mike Pouncey OL

16 Redskins Ryan Kerrigan DE

17 Patriots Nate Solder OL

18 Chargers Corey Liuget DT

19 Giants Prince Amukamara CB

20 Buccaneers Adrian Clayborn DL

21 Browns Phil Taylor DL

22 Colts Anthony Castonzo OL

23 Eagles Danny Watkins OL

24 Saints Cameron Jordan DE

25 Seahawks James Carpenter OL

26 Chiefs Jonathan Baldwin WR

27 Ravens Jimmy Smith CB

28 Saints Mark Ingram RB

29 Bears Gabe Carimi OL

30 Jets Muhammad Wilkerson DT

31 Steelers Cam Heyward DT

32 Packers Derek Sherrod OL

Wins underlined above.

ATL & Julio - they spent what they spent to compete with NO & GB. Guess what, it didn't help, heck it might have hurt as they got away from what works for them.

Italics are misses, only one I can really identify is Gabbert.

The rest are pushes or probably just missing quite a few on both lists.

Would be interesting to see what local fans think about some of these guys.

I think many more of those should be underlined, and I have to say I'm impressed for the 1st time with how well the entire NFL drafted early. This looks like a very good, very deep class at many positions. The 2nd half of the 1st round may not be stars yet, but many are getting playing time and that is pretty impressive as DL don't usually do squat for a year or two. The bad QBs are too early to judge, and the good ones are a glob of anomolies. Can't judge them for another couple years. Biggest miss seems to be Ingram (who most here were drooling over pre-draft also).

 

[Buckna]

JJ Watt looks legit. I'm very happy with the Texans draft pick. Hopefully TJ Yates turns out to be the best 5th round pick of all time...

Brooks Reed in the 2nd is looking like a steal as well. 6 sacks in 6 games after Mario went down. His performance may result in Houston not resigning Mario (although I hope not.)

 

[The Hank]

Cam Heyward has been seeing more & more time w/ Aaron Smith being out. I like his upside and has been decent in limited time so far.

DE's are very much unheralded in LeBeau's 3-4 D (which is very difficult to learn as a rookie), but I think that Heyward will start making a genuine impact around 2013-2014 when he(eventually) replaces Keisel. I envision a situation like Smith/Ziggy Hood where Hood didnt make a big impact until a few yrs after drafted.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

12 Vikings Christian Ponder QBWould be interesting to see what local fans think about some of these guys.

Excited about Ponder. When the Vikes draft Kalil next year, I'll be even moreso.

 

[cvnpoka]

phil taylor is a win for the browns. esp when you consider the picks they accumulated to get him.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Saints need to go in the losing column all the way.

Lol how so?

Because you don't give up commodities, such as draft picks, to draft RBs.Last 10 SB winners and their leading rusher

GB - Brandon Jackson - 2nd rd (63)

NO - Pierre Thomas - Undrafted (One could argue for Reggie Bush here, but he wasn't the leading rusher and he certainly isn't your prototypical RB since he only averaged 5 rushes per game that year)

PITT - Willie Parker - Undrafted

NYG - Brandon Jacobs - 4th rd (110)

PITT - Willie Parker - Undrafted

NE - Corey Dillon - Drafted in 2nd by Cin (43)

NE - Antowain Smith - Drafted in 1st by Buff (23)

TB - Michael Pitman - Drafted in the 4th by Ariz (135)

NE - Antowain Smith - same info

BALT - Jamal Lewis - 1st rd (3)

You have to go back a decade for someone to have their own 1st rd pick at RB get them a Super Bowl victory

RB is arguably the easiest skill position in football to get value out of from lower round draft picks. To pay what NO did? It is foolish. For them to pay what they did for a talent that regressed during his Junior year? To me that's asinine.

Big L for NOLA, IMO

If the Saints added a great RB to that passing attack, it's worth giving up a late 2nd. The Saints window probably closes with Brees, so no reason to hold back. I agree with you in theory that a RB isn't a necessity, but this could be a huge addition to an already great offense. The Saints O-Line might not be the 90's Cowboys, but it's very good. They need to control the ball to protect the D. A balanced O won them Super Bowl 44, and if they can run the ball that way again, they can win again.

Not saying that he can't be a piece of the Super Bowl puzzle. But when there are zero RBs off of the board at this point, it tells you two three things. 1. Every other team in the NFL gets what I'm saying above

2. There's value somewhere later in the draft at the position

3. No one really had a need for RB

To think that they paid a price to do this kind of dumbfounds me.

Fixed...saying this is a bad pick shows me an uneducated person on the Saints. They needed him bad.

Bush sux

Pierre is always hurt

Ivory has lisfranc

They were starting Julius Jones in the playoffs, yet you say drafting a Heisman winner and best runner in the draft at 28 is why they lost?

With all do respect, anyone who says the Saints lost yesterday...is just not well educated on the Saints, or maybe football.

also to critsize, you need to say who they shoulda picked there, and you have not, your just being a hater. As a critic hate all you like, but have a point. Your point is its too early to take a runner, please, he was projected to the Dolphins.

whoever has to sit and listen to you talk Saints football = real loser in this.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Interesting bump.

So many said that my Browns were winners on Draft Day 2011. Now that the picks are in, the trade is as follows:

To Atlanta:

Julio Jones

To Cleveland:

Phil Taylor

Greg Little

Brandon Weeden

The 4th rounder used to move up one spot to ensure Trent Richardson

Are we still winners on paper at least?

If Weeden pans out the answer is obvious but what are you guys seeing?

 

[Wadsworth]

Interesting bump. So many said that my Browns were winners on Draft Day 2011. Now that the picks are in, the trade is as follows: To Atlanta:Julio JonesTo Clevelandhil TaylorGreg LittleBrandon Weeden The 4th rounder used to move up one spot to ensure Trent RichardsonAre we still winners on paper at least? If Weeden pans out the answer is obvious but what are you guys seeing?

If I was the Falcons GM and you offered me those players for Julio Jones I would politely(but quickly) decline.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Interesting bump. So many said that my Browns were winners on Draft Day 2011. Now that the picks are in, the trade is as follows: To Atlanta:Julio JonesTo Clevelandhil TaylorGreg LittleBrandon Weeden The 4th rounder used to move up one spot to ensure Trent RichardsonAre we still winners on paper at least? If Weeden pans out the answer is obvious but what are you guys seeing?

If I was the Falcons GM and you offered me those players for Julio Jones I would politely(but quickly) decline.

I think this is one of those situations where both sides were winners. Cleveland had many holes to fill. Looks like we have one very good player for a collection of good players with potential to be very good.

 

[Wadsworth]

Interesting bump. So many said that my Browns were winners on Draft Day 2011. Now that the picks are in, the trade is as follows: To Atlanta:Julio JonesTo Clevelandhil TaylorGreg LittleBrandon Weeden The 4th rounder used to move up one spot to ensure Trent RichardsonAre we still winners on paper at least? If Weeden pans out the answer is obvious but what are you guys seeing?

If I was the Falcons GM and you offered me those players for Julio Jones I would politely(but quickly) decline.

I think this is one of those situations where both sides were winners. Cleveland had many holes to fill. Looks like we have one very good player for a collection of good players with potential to be very good.

If Little comes on strong that is the easiest way for the Browns to clearly win the trade. If he is even close in value to Jones then you have to lean towards the Browns.

 

[cvnpoka]

Interesting bump. So many said that my Browns were winners on Draft Day 2011. Now that the picks are in, the trade is as follows: To Atlanta:Julio JonesTo Clevelandhil TaylorGreg LittleBrandon Weeden The 4th rounder used to move up one spot to ensure Trent RichardsonAre we still winners on paper at least? If Weeden pans out the answer is obvious but what are you guys seeing?

If I was the Falcons GM and you offered me those players for Julio Jones I would politely(but quickly) decline.

well obv, since the falcons have no use for weeden. swap weeden for some other guy in the 20s of this draft and its a slam dunk.

 

[Shawnky]

Another meaningless "look at me" bump. There are so many bad asses on this site.

 

[cstu]

Interesting bump. So many said that my Browns were winners on Draft Day 2011. Now that the picks are in, the trade is as follows: To Atlanta:Julio JonesTo Clevelandhil TaylorGreg LittleBrandon Weeden The 4th rounder used to move up one spot to ensure Trent RichardsonAre we still winners on paper at least? If Weeden pans out the answer is obvious but what are you guys seeing?

If I was the Falcons GM and you offered me those players for Julio Jones I would politely(but quickly) decline.

I think this is one of those situations where both sides were winners. Cleveland had many holes to fill. Looks like we have one very good player for a collection of good players with potential to be very good.

If Little comes on strong that is the easiest way for the Browns to clearly win the trade. If he is even close in value to Jones then you have to lean towards the Browns.

IMO the trade will come down to how Weeden plays. If he plays bad and some of the QB's they could have taken in 2011 play well it's going to look like a mistake.

 

[Donnybrook]

OK serious question if Fairley is so good why did he slide to 13? seems odd, no?

I wouldnt be all ready to claim Detroit the big winner yet.

Personally I like what cleveland did, I wanted Phil taylor over Liuget for SD.

Fairley's work ethic has been questioned a lot since the combime. Rumors of him not finishing drills I think is one of the big reasons why he fell.

Oh no...not the dreaded slide to 13, lolI'll keep the argument simple....

Never pass on talent!

The guy was the supposed #1 pick just before the combine. You heard almost nothing from him after that. I'm not saying it's an EPIC slide(i.e. DeQuan Bowers), but there were absolutely issues. Otherwise, he would have gone to Buffalo.

Yeah it is amazing the way draftniks were so willing to believe all dirt dragged up on Cam Newton but seemed to give Fairley, a player with obvious on the field issues, a pass as a possible #1 pick.

 

[Donnybrook]

Vikings decision to pass on Fairley for Ponder is looking better and better every day. http://profootballta...eluding-police/

 

[Donsmith753]

12 Vikings Christian Ponder QBWould be interesting to see what local fans think about some of these guys.

Excited about Ponder. When the Vikes draft Kalil next year, I'll be even moreso.

Well done

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

OK serious question if Fairley is so good why did he slide to 13? seems odd, no?

I wouldnt be all ready to claim Detroit the big winner yet.

Personally I like what cleveland did, I wanted Phil taylor over Liuget for SD.

Fairley's work ethic has been questioned a lot since the combime. Rumors of him not finishing drills I think is one of the big reasons why he fell.

Oh no...not the dreaded slide to 13, lolI'll keep the argument simple....

Never pass on talent!

The guy was the supposed #1 pick just before the combine. You heard almost nothing from him after that. I'm not saying it's an EPIC slide(i.e. DeQuan Bowers), but there were absolutely issues. Otherwise, he would have gone to Buffalo.

Yeah it is amazing the way draftniks were so willing to believe all dirt dragged up on Cam Newton but seemed to give Fairley, a player with obvious on the field issues, a pass as a possible #1 pick.

This draftis turning into an utter disaster for the Lions.Fairley - Busted for pot and a DUI

LeShoure - busted for pot twice

Titus Young - barred from OTAs for sucker punching Louis Delmas in a workout

WTF

 

[lod01]

So let me get this straight... teams that do this for a living made their first round decisions yesterday after countless hours and dollars invested, and even they can't know how any of this will pan out for 2-3 years. Yet a bunch of nobodies sitting at their computers in their underwear, posting on a message board, can know right now who the winners and losers are, no doubt based primarily on opinions spewed by media talking heads who in most cases also know much less than the teams making these decisions. Okie dokie. Knock yourselves out.

Howdy. Carolina is the biggest loser. The team set itself back 3-5 years. Additionally because they took Scam Newton, they will miss out on Andrew Luck even thought there is a great chance they pick #1 again in 2012. Still won't be able to put up points with Sccam. Won't win a game in their division with Scam. One of the tougher divisions in NFL right now. Best hope is to be able to trade the 2012 pick to a team in need of a QB, then watch that team excel while they try and teach Scam how to play NFL QB.

Man, this guy nailed the sCam analysis. Had they not taken sCam, they could very well have Andrew Luck right now.

 

[JetMaxx]

So let me get this straight... teams that do this for a living made their first round decisions yesterday after countless hours and dollars invested, and even they can't know how any of this will pan out for 2-3 years. Yet a bunch of nobodies sitting at their computers in their underwear, posting on a message board, can know right now who the winners and losers are, no doubt based primarily on opinions spewed by media talking heads who in most cases also know much less than the teams making these decisions. Okie dokie. Knock yourselves out.

Howdy. Carolina is the biggest loser. The team set itself back 3-5 years. Additionally because they took Scam Newton, they will miss out on Andrew Luck even thought there is a great chance they pick #1 again in 2012. Still won't be able to put up points with Sccam. Won't win a game in their division with Scam. One of the tougher divisions in NFL right now. Best hope is to be able to trade the 2012 pick to a team in need of a QB, then watch that team excel while they try and teach Scam how to play NFL QB.

Man, this guy nailed the sCam analysis. Had they not taken sCam, they could very well have Andrew Luck right now.

So let me get this straight... teams that do this for a living made their first round decisions yesterday after countless hours and dollars invested, and even they can't know how any of this will pan out for 2-3 years. Yet a bunch of nobodies sitting at their computers in their underwear, posting on a message board, can know right now who the winners and losers are, no doubt based primarily on opinions spewed by media talking heads who in most cases also know much less than the teams making these decisions. Okie dokie. Knock yourselves out.

Howdy. Carolina is the biggest loser. The team set itself back 3-5 years. Additionally because they took Scam Newton, they will miss out on Andrew Luck even thought there is a great chance they pick #1 again in 2012. Still won't be able to put up points with Sccam. Won't win a game in their division with Scam. One of the tougher divisions in NFL right now. Best hope is to be able to trade the 2012 pick to a team in need of a QB, then watch that team excel while they try and teach Scam how to play NFL QB.

Man, this guy nailed the sCam analysis. Had they not taken sCam, they could very well have Andrew Luck right now.[/quote

So let me get this straight... teams that do this for a living made their first round decisions yesterday after countless hours and dollars invested, and even they can't know how any of this will pan out for 2-3 years. Yet a bunch of nobodies sitting at their computers in their underwear, posting on a message board, can know right now who the winners and losers are, no doubt based primarily on opinions spewed by media talking heads who in most cases also know much less than the teams making these decisions. Okie dokie. Knock yourselves out.

Howdy. Carolina is the biggest loser. The team set itself back 3-5 years. Additionally because they took Scam Newton, they will miss out on Andrew Luck even thought there is a great chance they pick #1 again in 2012. Still won't be able to put up points with Sccam. Won't win a game in their division with Scam. One of the tougher divisions in NFL right now. Best hope is to be able to trade the 2012 pick to a team in need of a QB, then watch that team excel while they try and teach Scam how to play NFL QB.

Man, this guy nailed the sCam analysis. Had they not taken sCam, they could very well have Andrew Luck right now.

2 yr bump? Iod=FavreCo

 

[lod01]

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2 yr bump? Iod=FavreCo

I don't know but that FavreCo guy was legendary in his accurate predictions. He hit a home run on sCam Newton.

 

[SproutDaddy]

-2/10

 

[Wise Old Owl]

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2 yr bump? Iod=FavreCo

I don't know but that FavreCo guy was legendary in his accurate predictions. He hit a home run on sCam Newton.

what does it take to be banned around here