Raiderfan32904
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Winner: Detroit, Cleveland, Patriots
Loser: Jacksonville, Atlanta
Loser: Jacksonville, Atlanta
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Draft Day #1 winners/losers (1 Viewer)
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Minnesota is easily the biggest FAIL.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
atlanta loses. to trade al thatat get a wr 2 is dsappointing. If they traded the same picks for perterson at 5 I'd be ecstatic, but wr2 is just not a glaring enough need ona team with some glaring needs.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Saints - Winning!
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Losers are probably any team that took a QB
Winners? Probably whoever takes Mallet or Kaepernick tomorrow
Winners? Probably whoever takes Mallet or Kaepernick tomorrow
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Detroit has to be considered a winner as their pass rush is gonna be insane.
dharmapunk
Footballguy
The Bills didn't do anything stupid.
In Buffalo we call that winning.
In Buffalo we call that winning.
EBF
Footballguy
For me the biggest losers are Minnesota, Tennesse, and possibly Jacksonville.
I just don't think any of those QBs seem likely to succeed, at least not enough to justify the risk/reward.
Carolina also took a huge risk, but at least Newton was a dominant college player with obvious superstar potential.
The other guys are just sort of....
Eh.
I just don't think any of those QBs seem likely to succeed, at least not enough to justify the risk/reward.
Carolina also took a huge risk, but at least Newton was a dominant college player with obvious superstar potential.
The other guys are just sort of....
Eh.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
The Vikings pooped in their mouths tonight.
Invictus~Bronte
Footballguy
Vikes did fine enough with Ponder-W
Falcs gave up wayyyy too much-L
Ingram is already the best RB on Supe contenders.. they didn't give up alot to get him-W
Carolina wiffed with Newton and will regret it-L
Falcs gave up wayyyy too much-L
Ingram is already the best RB on Supe contenders.. they didn't give up alot to get him-W
Carolina wiffed with Newton and will regret it-L
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Lol how so?
delusional
Footballguy
Eagles took a 27 yr old LT who played 4 seasons of football ever. ( 2 of which were at a JuCo ) I don't know how to grade that one.
sihaokills
Footballguy
I think the Vikings should have traded down and get Locker later on in the draft
Yeah either him or Newton.
Brothers Mayhem
Footballguy
IMO - the only winner was Denver with the Vonn Miller pick. The rest of the draft (Rd.1) lost.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
They gave up a #2 this year and a #1 in 2012. That is a lot for a late 1st round pick. If it works out, it will be worth it. However, if something goes wrong, it will be a high price to pay.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
Essentially they gave up the 24th pick in the 2nd round to accelerate a 1st round pick from 2012 to 2011, replacing a UDFA with a Heisman Trophy winner and consensus best back in the draft. I think that's a pretty reasonable price for a SB contender needing an upgrade at this position. That SB contender window doesn't stay open forever.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Because you don't give up commodities, such as draft picks, to draft RBs.Last 10 SB winners and their leading rusherGB - Brandon Jackson - 2nd rd (63)NO - Pierre Thomas - Undrafted (One could argue for Reggie Bush here, but he wasn't the leading rusher and he certainly isn't your prototypical RB since he only averaged 5 rushes per game that year)PITT - Willie Parker - UndraftedNYG - Brandon Jacobs - 4th rd (110)PITT - Willie Parker - UndraftedNE - Corey Dillon - Drafted in 2nd by Cin (43)NE - Antowain Smith - Drafted in 1st by Buff (23)TB - Michael Pitman - Drafted in the 4th by Ariz (135)NE - Antowain Smith - same infoBALT - Jamal Lewis - 1st rd (3) You have to go back a decade for someone to have their own 1st rd pick at RB get them a Super Bowl victoryRB is arguably the easiest skill position in football to get value out of from lower round draft picks. To pay what NO did? It is foolish. For them to pay what they did for a talent that regressed during his Junior year? To me that's asinine. Big L for NOLA, IMO
Even if you do think that, surely it's offset by the fact that they got Jordan without budging an inch?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Like the Jordan pick. Doesn't offset the mistake that they made here with Ingram.
If the Saints added a great RB to that passing attack, it's worth giving up a late 2nd. The Saints window probably closes with Brees, so no reason to hold back. I agree with you in theory that a RB isn't a necessity, but this could be a huge addition to an already great offense. The Saints O-Line might not be the 90's Cowboys, but it's very good. They need to control the ball to protect the D. A balanced O won them Super Bowl 44, and if they can run the ball that way again, they can win again.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Not saying that he can't be a piece of the Super Bowl puzzle. But when there are zero RBs off of the board at this point, it tells you two things. 1. Every other team in the NFL gets what I'm saying above2. There's value somewhere later in the draft at the positionTo think that they paid a price to do this kind of dumbfounds me.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
First off, they took a DE with their 1st round pick. Second, "to pay what they did" and by that do you mean a 2nd round pick? Because that's what they paid. The 24th pick of the 2nd round to be exact
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
You wouldnt have to if you didnt leave out some important information. The Colts won the SB in 2006, and their leading rusher was 1st round pick Joseph Addai. I could also point out that 9 of the last 11 SB winners had a RB on their roster that was drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.
Im not arguing that a 1st round RB is the key to success, but i think you, and some others, are undervaluing RB's. Other than maybe QB, how many positions are full of first round picks on past SB winners?
Being successful doesnt come down to picking the right positions, it comes down to picking the right players.
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Raiders should be on the losers list
massraider
Footballguy
Cleveland gets 2 2nd rounders, an extra first, then goes and gets THE nose tackle in this draft? Winners, IMO.
griff321
Footballguy
I hear they were seconds away from moving down and picking Gabbert.
griff321
Footballguy
O.K. So like most Vikings fans upon hearing the news I threw up and then it took my girlfriend about thirty minutes to talk me off my roof.
After I get done washing off the hate and drying my eyes I started reading about Ponder. Injury history aside he was one of the more accurate QBs because of his good foot work and was excellent at anticipating throws. Arm strength remains a major concern, but the same was said about Drew Brees and I'm feeling like the Vikings did their homework here.
So really then I'm just pissed that the Vikings didn't do something to acquire another pick, move down, and then draft him there. Assuming he's the guy that they want how far could they fall and still get him? My feeling is that Miami had their eye on him and if they were to pass then word was Washington moved down thinking we'd pick either Dalton/Mallet and they get Ponder at 16. Tough to say here if it's really as bad as my initial gut reaction led me to believe.
At the end of the day I think the Vikings may not have helped themselves much but they didn't mortgage their future like some teams did either.
Homer rationalizing or sound reasoning?
Still the way things look now it's going to be a loooong season.
After I get done washing off the hate and drying my eyes I started reading about Ponder. Injury history aside he was one of the more accurate QBs because of his good foot work and was excellent at anticipating throws. Arm strength remains a major concern, but the same was said about Drew Brees and I'm feeling like the Vikings did their homework here.
So really then I'm just pissed that the Vikings didn't do something to acquire another pick, move down, and then draft him there. Assuming he's the guy that they want how far could they fall and still get him? My feeling is that Miami had their eye on him and if they were to pass then word was Washington moved down thinking we'd pick either Dalton/Mallet and they get Ponder at 16. Tough to say here if it's really as bad as my initial gut reaction led me to believe.
At the end of the day I think the Vikings may not have helped themselves much but they didn't mortgage their future like some teams did either.
Homer rationalizing or sound reasoning?
Still the way things look now it's going to be a loooong season.
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The problem was, it seemed like every team was trying to move down - Most weren't budging. Many of the 20-teens were content seeing a lot of good talent drop, so they weren't going to offer too much unless they had their hearts set one someone specifically.
I wouldn't hate the Ponder pick - It was a reach, but you need a QB in this league, and Ponder should match the WCO philosophy well.
I wouldn't hate the Ponder pick - It was a reach, but you need a QB in this league, and Ponder should match the WCO philosophy well.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Winners: The Lions. The D Line is going to be absolutely sick.
Losers: The opposing QBs.
Losers: The opposing QBs.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Winners: The Lions. The D Line is going to be absolutely sick. Losers: The opposing QBs.
Very excited about the direction this team is going in!
Jason Wood
Zoo York
You can tell people are reallllllllllllly bored this year. Winners/Losers after the first round!?!?!? 
C'mon guys.
Minnesota may be the biggest WINNER. It shouldn't shock anyone if Ponder is the best QB taken in the 1st round. Wouldn't surprise me, at all.
I will concede that Atlanta gave up a TON for a WR2. Jones has to be really special to justify that haul, and it's not like the Falcons -- in spite of their record -- don't have real needs at key positions.
C'mon guys.
Minnesota may be the biggest WINNER. It shouldn't shock anyone if Ponder is the best QB taken in the 1st round. Wouldn't surprise me, at all.
I will concede that Atlanta gave up a TON for a WR2. Jones has to be really special to justify that haul, and it's not like the Falcons -- in spite of their record -- don't have real needs at key positions.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I was really hoping the Bills would get Ponder......at 34.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
OK serious question if Fairley is so good why did he slide to 13? seems odd, no?
I wouldnt be all ready to claim Detroit the big winner yet.
Personally I like what cleveland did, I wanted Phil taylor over Liuget for SD.
I wouldnt be all ready to claim Detroit the big winner yet.
Personally I like what cleveland did, I wanted Phil taylor over Liuget for SD.
BigJohn
Footballguy
Fairley's work ethic has been questioned a lot since the combime. Rumors of him not finishing drills I think is one of the big reasons why he fell.
Football Critic
Footballguy
Fixed...saying this is a bad pick shows me an uneducated person on the Saints. They needed him bad.
Bush sux
Pierre is always hurt
Ivory has lisfranc
They were starting Julius Jones in the playoffs, yet you say drafting a Heisman winner and best runner in the draft at 28 is why they lost?
With all do respect, anyone who says the Saints lost yesterday...is just not well educated on the Saints, or maybe football.
also to critsize, you need to say who they shoulda picked there, and you have not, your just being a hater. As a critic hate all you like, but have a point. Your point is its too early to take a runner, please, he was projected to the Dolphins.
whoever has to sit and listen to you talk Saints football = real loser in this.
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Rick James
Footballguy
You can't call Atlanta a loser, IMO.
1) Atlanta ranked 5th in defensive PPG allowed, and 16th in YPG. (the offense ranked 5th in PPG, 16th in YPG....odd)
2) The defensive needs are blown out of proportion-- they need a DE and a CB, anything else would just be for depth
3) Atlanta still has 6 picks left in this draft.
4) Free Agency is still an option to add an impact DE/CB. They really aren't that far away.
1) Atlanta ranked 5th in defensive PPG allowed, and 16th in YPG. (the offense ranked 5th in PPG, 16th in YPG....odd)
2) The defensive needs are blown out of proportion-- they need a DE and a CB, anything else would just be for depth
3) Atlanta still has 6 picks left in this draft.
4) Free Agency is still an option to add an impact DE/CB. They really aren't that far away.
Football Critic
Footballguy
maybe cuz 4 QBs went ahead of him, and only one DT, he didnt slide cuz of himself or talent, he slid cuz of team need.Lions didnt need him, but to put him next to Suh with ADP Forte and Grant in the division, not a bad move.They have many good options at 2.12...great pick and now coaches have to prepare for a wal in Detroit now, and people question that? hmmm, lots of people over thinking thjings here.
Exactly. But The Schwartz has a history of dealing with DL with issues (Haynesworth) and Suh and KVB should have a strong influence over him.I'll like this pic better once I see what CB they get. It was hard to see them pass on Prince.
Football Critic
Footballguy
Oh no...not the dreaded slide to 13, lolI'll keep the argument simple....Never pass on talent!
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thurston4040
Footballguy
agree 100% on Kaepernick
Colts-Freak
Footballguy
You don't have to go back a decade, just go back to 2006/2007 when Indy won with Addai being a first rounder. I'm sure it was convenient that you left them out. Make the stats work in your favor though champ....
Football Critic
Footballguy
Honestly, Prince was a bigger risk.Not because of work ethic, but his style.He love to put his hands on wrs, pro refs dont go for that. Also, he is athletic but his technique is in question. If they passed on Peterson I would have been more worried, but they passed on Prince, which a few more teams did then Fairley, did they not?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Just a couple months ago the guy was being talked about as a possible #1 overall pick, he was IMO the best player in the national title game. Vey disruptive, but why did 12 teams pass on him?? I didnt hear the lack of work ethic thing, or that he quit on drills. I think CB was a bigger area of need for the Lions, but buidling an awesome Dline will help out average corners.
twistd
Footballguy
How many of these first round, or even second round QBs will be successful? I expect that Mallet, Kaepernick, and Dalton will go in the second. So you will have seven guys who went early in this draft. Past drafts would lead you to believe that two, maybe three will turn out to be solid picks, at best. There have been some good years, like 2009, where Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman were all taken in the first round and so far look solid, and 2004 where Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, and JP Losman were the first round picks. Only Losman was a bust. But then you have some bad years. In 2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, and Drew Stanton were taken in the first two rounds. Only Kolb looks like he is a player. In 2006 it was Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Kelly Clemens, and Tavaris Jackson that were selected in the first two rounds. Only Cutler looks like a player. In 2013 will the 2011 QBs look like the class from 2004, or the class from 2007? Who do you think will be the players here, and who will be the busts?
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