I'm resigned to this, but really hoping for one of the 3 ahead falling to me. Doubt it however, and i'm left with this sinking feeling this means Tiki will have the worst year of his career. Sure, he doesn't have the miles of most backs his age, but he has just put some serious miles in the last 4 years; and over 30 is over 30. You just don't bounce back the same.I must trust the VBD. I think I might try for a trade with the 12 spot.I think that due to the concerns with Portis and his injury, Tiki is a lock for the 4th pick this year in PPR leagues, assuming LT, LJ, and SA all go ahead of him.
The guy drafting ahead of me at #3 is concerened about the Madden Curse. I might be able to get Alexander instead if he passes him up. That would be ideal. This is the same guy that took Manning at #3 last year in another league I was in with him, so I'm keeping my figers crossed.I'm resigned to this, but really hoping for one of the 3 ahead falling to me. Doubt it however, and i'm left with this sinking feeling this means Tiki will have the worst year of his career. Sure, he doesn't have the miles of most backs his age, but he has just put some serious miles in the last 4 years; and over 30 is over 30. You just don't bounce back the same.I must trust the VBD. I think I might try for a trade with the 12 spot.I think that due to the concerns with Portis and his injury, Tiki is a lock for the 4th pick this year in PPR leagues, assuming LT, LJ, and SA all go ahead of him.
Poor guy, you're really hurting at RB. Who else was available at 2.09. The reason I ask is because I have the same draft spot, and was thinking there would still be a few top grade RBs left, or an uber-stud WR. Just wondering who you bypasssed ot grab KJ, who I'd expect to fall to 4th round in my leaguejust finished a draft tonight where I picked from the 4 spot: (PPR, TE req, 2 WR, flex)
1.04 - Ronnie Brown
2.09 - Kevin Jones
3.04 - Antonio Gates
4.09 - Tatum Bell
5.04 - Tom Brady
6.09 - Matt Jones
7.04 - Michael Clayton
8.09 - Antonio Bryant
9.04 - Dante Culpepper
10.09 - Carolina D
11.04 - Adam Vinateri
12.09 - Ben Troupe
13.04 - Eric Parker
14.09 - Mewelde Moore
15.04 - Robert Ferguson
16.09 - Atlanta D
I don't know if I would have gone with Brown at 4 (if not Portis probably Jackson or Tiki) but I like the way the rest of your draft went. Tatum Bell could be huge if he nails the starting job. QBs and TEs great. Weak at WR but all it takes is for one of them to bust out and that could change.just finished a draft tonight where I picked from the 4 spot: (PPR, TE req, 2 WR, flex)
1.04 - Ronnie Brown
2.09 - Kevin Jones
3.04 - Antonio Gates
4.09 - Tatum Bell
5.04 - Tom Brady
6.09 - Matt Jones
7.04 - Michael Clayton
8.09 - Antonio Bryant
9.04 - Dante Culpepper
10.09 - Carolina D
11.04 - Adam Vinateri
12.09 - Ben Troupe
13.04 - Eric Parker
14.09 - Mewelde Moore
15.04 - Robert Ferguson
16.09 - Atlanta D
Checked out this thread because, after literally years of just having two total keeper dynasty leagues, I decided to spread out and enter a couple of redrafts this season. In one of them, I've got the fourth pick, and it's non-PPR, so Tiki doesn't do it for me. I believe I'll either go with Portis or SJackson. Your draft struck me as interesting, too. Grabbing Gates was nice; you don't see too many people lay off the WR pipe until the sixth round. Did you have this strategy in mind, going in, or were other people grabbing all of the top WRs, so you adapted and decided to wait?just finished a draft tonight where I picked from the 4 spot: (PPR, TE req, 2 WR, flex)
1.04 - Ronnie Brown
2.09 - Kevin Jones
3.04 - Antonio Gates
4.09 - Tatum Bell
5.04 - Tom Brady
6.09 - Matt Jones
7.04 - Michael Clayton
8.09 - Antonio Bryant
9.04 - Dante Culpepper
10.09 - Carolina D
11.04 - Adam Vinateri
12.09 - Ben Troupe
13.04 - Eric Parker
14.09 - Mewelde Moore
15.04 - Robert Ferguson
16.09 - Atlanta D
More likely he'll be KJ in the second year... Just out of curiosity was Bush around for your pick in the second?just finished a draft tonight where I picked from the 4 spot: (PPR, TE req, 2 WR, flex)1.04 - Ronnie Brown 2.09 - Kevin Jones3.04 - Antonio Gates4.09 - Tatum Bell5.04 - Tom Brady6.09 - Matt Jones7.04 - Michael Clayton8.09 - Antonio Bryant9.04 - Dante Culpepper10.09 - Carolina D11.04 - Adam Vinateri12.09 - Ben Troupe13.04 - Eric Parker14.09 - Mewelde Moore15.04 - Robert Ferguson16.09 - Atlanta DI am skeptical about KJ since he hasn't really done anything this preseason. Just because Martz is there do you really expect the OL to improve overnight? I was think of getting KJ too, but I am worried the OL will not open any holes up.As for you WR by waiting so long you don't have a proven player. Can Matt Jones handle being the #1 WR, will Michael Clayton out perform Galloway? A lot of question marks. Was Tatum Bell worth the risk at 4.09 or should you have gone after a more top WR. If you weren't happy with KJ could you have gotten a top 5 WR and then got Tatum in the 4th.I am very confused myself because I have the 4th slot too. Is Ronnie ready to take off? Or will he be another KJ in the 2nd year?
Just a little M. Bell koolaid as a refreshing beverage this evening.Didn't your mom tell you not to smoke crack cocaine ?![]()
For me this decision at the 4th spot is one of my toughest since I've been doing fantasy football. I liked Portis before the injury, but any of the next 7 or 8 RB's could put up similar numbers. I really like Tiki Barber, especially after reading this article and this one, but can't help but be concerned about Jacobs vulturing carries and TD's.
Not really sure that SJax or R. Brown will be any better. I NEED HELP!!
Thank you for the links. This was the validation I was seeking to push Tiki as my 4th pick in a draft starting tonight. Anyone have any "David Boston" concerns regarding him putting on so much muscle mass though? I don't think I do, because of the exercises he is doing is really strengthening all the smaller balancing muscles as well due to using free weights and the like. Plus he says he's not using any "enhancing" suppliments (I believe him FWIW).richn said:For me this decision at the 4th spot is one of my toughest since I've been doing fantasy football. I liked Portis before the injury, but any of the next 7 or 8 RB's could put up similar numbers. I really like Tiki Barber, especially after reading this article and this one, but can't help but be concerned about Jacobs vulturing carries and TD's.
Not really sure that SJax or R. Brown will be any better. I NEED HELP!!great links to Tikki articles, the second one is very impressive, great info on his increased strength/weight training. THIS INFO SOLIDIFIES TIKKI AS #4 PICK. Nice job!
That isn't the point here. Bell isn't going to be drafted #4. I am starting to convince myself of the Tiki coolaid. I am just not really that happy about it.I know it's only pre-season, but does anyone think that Bell could be the 4th best RB in the league this season. It seems that whoever gets the RB job in Denver puts up good numbers.
yes, nyg are playing very good teams. indy, sea, philly. but you know what. these arent the run stuffing teams like chicago, baltimore, etc. the giants may lose these games, but tiki will get his yards against these run defenses. this is a major point to take note of!Reading the articles about what great shape Tiki is in reminded me of an article I read on Jamal Lewis. It was printed before the 2003 season when he had the 2000+ yards rushing. It talked about the conditioning he had been doing in the off season. After reading it, it solidified him as the pick I would make late in the first round of my re-draft league. He, along with a couple of good WR picks, carried my team to the league championship.I guess reading the articles about Tiki brought back a little de-ja-vu for me. He would be the slam dunk pick for me if he wasn't giving up goal line carries to Jacobs. Plus, the Giants schedule is brutal.
if it is NOT PPR, then take sjax. let someone else deal with the portis injury.Soooo... wait a second. Everyone on his board had their Portis blow up dolls out before his injury and was a stone cold lock at 4.Is there no one out there that will still take him at 4? I want to badly and I still have 12 days for some updates to surface.The Tiki love is killing me. My league isn't PPR and I don't want him. Someone tell me they still want Portis at 4.
I wish I had the confidence to still draft Portis at #4. I just worry about the shoulder being an issue all year long. Have you thought about sjax or ronnie brown?sjax actually is a good receiver out of the backfield. If you like him at #4 in non ppr then you should love him in ppr. I have him in a firt year dynasty league and got him at #9 so I was really excited to get him there. At #4 he worries me a little bit. He gets too many nagging injuries.if it is NOT PPR, then take sjax. let someone else deal with the portis injury.Soooo... wait a second. Everyone on his board had their Portis blow up dolls out before his injury and was a stone cold lock at 4.Is there no one out there that will still take him at 4? I want to badly and I still have 12 days for some updates to surface.The Tiki love is killing me. My league isn't PPR and I don't want him. Someone tell me they still want Portis at 4.
sjax is not proven and that scares me. plus that offense has no guarantee to be awesome again. the line isnt as good as it used to be. i like sjax, but he has more ?'s than tiki right now. at #4 you need more of a sure thing.I wish I had the confidence to still draft Portis at #4. I just worry about the shoulder being an issue all year long. Have you thought about sjax or ronnie brown?sjax actually is a good receiver out of the backfield. If you like him at #4 in non ppr then you should love him in ppr. I have him in a firt year dynasty league and got him at #9 so I was really excited to get him there. At #4 he worries me a little bit. He gets too many nagging injuries.if it is NOT PPR, then take sjax. let someone else deal with the portis injury.Soooo... wait a second. Everyone on his board had their Portis blow up dolls out before his injury and was a stone cold lock at 4.Is there no one out there that will still take him at 4? I want to badly and I still have 12 days for some updates to surface.The Tiki love is killing me. My league isn't PPR and I don't want him. Someone tell me they still want Portis at 4.
if you want oil or maybe nothing...go sjax, but be prepared for nothing. sjax might win or lose you the league. tiki will not lose you the league.I am having a tough time at #4 too. Before Portis going down I thought #4 would be the best place to be. I figured top 3 back gone and at #4 I would take Portis and he would perform close to top 3 if not better and I get the benefit of drafting before 1-2-3 in the second round. Now with Portis' injury I am just not sold on Tiki. I know every year Tiki out performs his draft position and makes it into the top 5 (save for 2003). But my luck has always been my 1st rounders get injured or something bad happens. I know if I pick Tiki this will be the year he busts. So my next choice is Sjax. Scott Linehan is a proven offensive guru. He help Gus Frerrotte become a serviceable quarterback. He likes to run seeing how Ricky Williams & Ronnie Brown combined for 375 carries. Sjax does not have a TD vulture like Brandon Jacobs did to Tiki. Please don't say Mo Williams will be a TD vulture, he was just brought in for insurance because he knew Scott Linehan's system.Also, the Rams have better recievers than Miami, so that should open up the holes more. Meaning if RB & RW can generate 1,650 yards and 10 tds on the groudn with that offense then with the weapons Linehan has Sjax should produce just as much. Add in a few receptions and a bump on tds by a couple you are looking at a top 5 ranking too. I am just not sure how much of a load Btw another site has Cadillac as the #4. What's up with that?
After all of the posts I am now for sure between sjax and Tiki. I have 10 more days to decide. In the 2nd I will either take a stud WR if there is still one there or hope that Bush is there. My league is ppr so I am willing to gamble on Reggie being a great #2 for me.GOroute said:if you want oil or maybe nothing...go sjax, but be prepared for nothing. sjax might win or lose you the league. tiki will not lose you the league.I am having a tough time at #4 too. Before Portis going down I thought #4 would be the best place to be. I figured top 3 back gone and at #4 I would take Portis and he would perform close to top 3 if not better and I get the benefit of drafting before 1-2-3 in the second round. Now with Portis' injury I am just not sold on Tiki. I know every year Tiki out performs his draft position and makes it into the top 5 (save for 2003). But my luck has always been my 1st rounders get injured or something bad happens. I know if I pick Tiki this will be the year he busts. So my next choice is Sjax. Scott Linehan is a proven offensive guru. He help Gus Frerrotte become a serviceable quarterback. He likes to run seeing how Ricky Williams & Ronnie Brown combined for 375 carries. Sjax does not have a TD vulture like Brandon Jacobs did to Tiki. Please don't say Mo Williams will be a TD vulture, he was just brought in for insurance because he knew Scott Linehan's system.Also, the Rams have better recievers than Miami, so that should open up the holes more. Meaning if RB & RW can generate 1,650 yards and 10 tds on the groudn with that offense then with the weapons Linehan has Sjax should produce just as much. Add in a few receptions and a bump on tds by a couple you are looking at a top 5 ranking too. I am just not sure how much of a load Btw another site has Cadillac as the #4. What's up with that?
\I don't know why everybody is so averse to Rudi. Just take him and be happy.sjax is not proven and that scares me. plus that offense has no guarantee to be awesome again. the line isnt as good as it used to be. i like sjax, but he has more ?'s than tiki right now. at #4 you need more of a sure thing.I wish I had the confidence to still draft Portis at #4. I just worry about the shoulder being an issue all year long. Have you thought about sjax or ronnie brown?sjax actually is a good receiver out of the backfield. If you like him at #4 in non ppr then you should love him in ppr. I have him in a firt year dynasty league and got him at #9 so I was really excited to get him there. At #4 he worries me a little bit. He gets too many nagging injuries.if it is NOT PPR, then take sjax. let someone else deal with the portis injury.Soooo... wait a second. Everyone on his board had their Portis blow up dolls out before his injury and was a stone cold lock at 4.Is there no one out there that will still take him at 4? I want to badly and I still have 12 days for some updates to surface.The Tiki love is killing me. My league isn't PPR and I don't want him. Someone tell me they still want Portis at 4.
i've been stuck with this decision like everyone else. i had pegged portis at #4 before the injury and still thought about it till the duckett trade. so now back down to tiki and sjax w/ rudi creeping. then i read the articles, honestly i never paid much attention to tiki's lack of carries that was the one glaring point from the articles for me. i've thought about him at for but have been worried about him breaking down. the giants o-line has looked better this pre-season. sjax has seemed to be nicked up and the stl o-line hasn't looked good. rudi doesn't seem to have the up-side of tiki. so anyway looks like tiki for me @ #$ in a non/ppr leagueFor me this decision at the 4th spot is one of my toughest since I've been doing fantasy football. I liked Portis before the injury, but any of the next 7 or 8 RB's could put up similar numbers. I really like Tiki Barber, especially after reading this article and this one, but can't help but be concerned about Jacobs vulturing carries and TD's.
Not really sure that SJax or R. Brown will be any better. I NEED HELP!!great links to Tikki articles, the second one is very impressive, great info on his increased strength/weight training. THIS INFO SOLIDIFIES TIKKI AS #4 PICK. Nice job!