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I am drafting 4th tonight. What is the latest word on how much of a work load Brandon Jacobs will steal from Tiki? I know he wants the ball more. My league is not a PPR league. Any info on Tiki and Rudi J. will be helpful.

I was thrilled to be drafting at the 4 spot in early August, but when CP went down it srewed me up. I think it is the worst position to be in now.

One guy in my league was offering his 10th slot for my 4th slot straight up. I may take it if none of the big 3 fall to me.

TIA

 
You're thinking of tading your #4 pick for the #10 pick???!!?

Please tell me you mean trading all of your picks for all of his....

 
I am drafting 4th tonight. What is the latest word on how much of a work load Brandon Jacobs will steal from Tiki? I know he wants the ball more. My league is not a PPR league. Any info on Tiki and Rudi J. will be helpful.I was thrilled to be drafting at the 4 spot in early August, but when CP went down it srewed me up. I think it is the worst position to be in now.One guy in my league was offering his 10th slot for my 4th slot straight up. I may take it if none of the big 3 fall to me. TIA
I don't get this trade either.Tiki is a solid #4 pick. Always underrated, always overdelivers. VALUE. :yes:
 
I am drafting 4th tonight. What is the latest word on how much of a work load Brandon Jacobs will steal from Tiki? I know he wants the ball more. My league is not a PPR league. Any info on Tiki and Rudi J. will be helpful.I was thrilled to be drafting at the 4 spot in early August, but when CP went down it srewed me up. I think it is the worst position to be in now.One guy in my league was offering his 10th slot for my 4th slot straight up. I may take it if none of the big 3 fall to me. TIA
I don't get this trade either.Tiki is a solid #4 pick. Always underrated, always overdelivers. VALUE. :yes:
Doesn't anyone else think Jacobs will take some of Tiki's touches this year? I personally can see it happen, and that is nothing against Tiki, but he is getting older and I can see Jacobs taking some time to keep him fresh.
 
I am drafting 4th tonight. What is the latest word on how much of a work load Brandon Jacobs will steal from Tiki? I know he wants the ball more. My league is not a PPR league. Any info on Tiki and Rudi J. will be helpful.I was thrilled to be drafting at the 4 spot in early August, but when CP went down it srewed me up. I think it is the worst position to be in now.One guy in my league was offering his 10th slot for my 4th slot straight up. I may take it if none of the big 3 fall to me. TIA
I don't get this trade either.Tiki is a solid #4 pick. Always underrated, always overdelivers. VALUE. :yes:
Doesn't anyone else think Jacobs will take some of Tiki's touches this year? I personally can see it happen, and that is nothing against Tiki, but he is getting older and I can see Jacobs taking some time to keep him fresh.
Yes, as the Giants OC, I would really want to change my run game from last year. NOT!Tiki gets the carried from 10 to 10 Jacobs will steal goal line and garbage time.
 
As long as Tiki is healthy he is a great pick. Just make sure you handcuff Jacobs later in the draft. If Tiki goes down for a game or two this year Jacobs will get his chance to shine and it looks like he will do very well.

 
Tiki

1. another year older

2. ran alot last year

3. very tough schedule

4. tough defenses in the division

5. jacobs looked like a beast this pre season

 
Look at his last four years, and that's all you need to know. I know many are saying this is the year he starts to break down but I don't see it. While he's in his 10th year, he was hardly used his 1st 3 years. The Giants have a good offense so there is no way teams can key on Tiki.

Like I said, look at what he has done. If you do that you will see, unless you are going to say he will miss time with injuries, his floor is 275/1265 rushing and 50/450 receiving. (He averaged 315 carries and 61 receptions the last 4 years with 357 carries last year) That's 1715 total yards as a floor. Now there's all the talk about the TD's. NYG RB's have scored 16 & 17 rushing TD's the last 2 years. If they get 15 this year and Jacobs gets 8, that leaves 6 for Tiki and one for another RB. Add another 2 receiving as he has done the last 2 years and he ends up with 8 TD's.

I don't see the problem with the #4 spot. I see Tiki's floor as being 50/1715/ 8 and his ceiling as 60/2045/11. That's 219.5 - 270.5 pts for no PPR and 269.5 - 330.5 pts for PPR. If that's not good enough to warrant a 4th overall pick, I don't know what is. My final projections put him at the high end at 58/2000/9.

In a non PPR league people always want to factor in Rudi. Over the last 2 years he has had mirror seasons averaging 1543 total yards and 12 TD's, 226 points in non PPR. I see no reason for these numbers to go up a good deal. With that said I could not see taking a RB (Rudi) with a ceiling of maybe 235, when I can get another RB (Tiki) with a floor of 220.

I had the #4 spot in my PPR league and there was no real other option once Portis was injured.

 
snellman said:
nightshift said:
fanaticskinsfan said:
I am drafting 4th tonight. What is the latest word on how much of a work load Brandon Jacobs will steal from Tiki? I know he wants the ball more. My league is not a PPR league. Any info on Tiki and Rudi J. will be helpful.I was thrilled to be drafting at the 4 spot in early August, but when CP went down it srewed me up. I think it is the worst position to be in now.One guy in my league was offering his 10th slot for my 4th slot straight up. I may take it if none of the big 3 fall to me. TIA
I don't get this trade either.Tiki is a solid #4 pick. Always underrated, always overdelivers. VALUE. :yes:
Doesn't anyone else think Jacobs will take some of Tiki's touches this year? I personally can see it happen, and that is nothing against Tiki, but he is getting older and I can see Jacobs taking some time to keep him fresh.
For what it's worth, Tiki has been saying on his radio show(Barber Shopp on Sirius) that he will be giving carries to Jacobs this year. He wants to extend his career. I can also see Jacobs stealing the short td's.
 
Tiki 1. another year older2. ran alot last year3. very tough schedule4. tough defenses in the division5. jacobs looked like a beast this pre season
that's pretty much it. i passed on tiki for ronnie brown believe it or not (at the 5 spot) in a league. he's got no competition for touches. tiki's got nowhere to go but down.honestly i can see any of 3 or 4 guys at the 4 hole this year.
 
Tiki 1. another year older2. ran alot last year3. very tough schedule4. tough defenses in the division5. jacobs looked like a beast this pre season
that's pretty much it. i passed on tiki for ronnie brown believe it or not (at the 5 spot) in a league. he's got no competition for touches. tiki's got nowhere to go but down.honestly i can see any of 3 or 4 guys at the 4 hole this year.
:goodposting: To answer the question, keep the #4 pick and take Brown or Rudi.
 
Tiki 1. another year older2. ran alot last year3. very tough schedule4. tough defenses in the division5. jacobs looked like a beast this pre season
that's pretty much it. i passed on tiki for ronnie brown believe it or not (at the 5 spot) in a league. he's got no competition for touches. tiki's got nowhere to go but down.honestly i can see any of 3 or 4 guys at the 4 hole this year.
Sure he has nowwhere to go but down, but down to what?He's coming of a year of 2390 yards and 11 TD's = 305 pts, and 2096 yards and 15 TD's = 299.6 pts, in 2004. He still gets you 225 pts if he produces 75% of those totals. How far do you think he's going to drop.Ronnie Brown has shown he can carry the load when?I now they all have to start to do so some time, but that alone is a far bigger ? in my opinion then all of Tiki's added up.
 
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Rudi is the safe pick.

Ronnie Brown could have unlimited upside and has a weak schedule.

Brandon Jacobs just scares me a bit too much to take Tiki at 4.

 
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Take Tiki at #4. To take Ronnie Brown over Tiki is ridiculous. He hasn't proven he can carry the load.

Let's say Tiki's #'s do go down this year. So freaking what. Last year he had 2400 total yards & 11 Td's. I f he only gets 2000 yds and 10 Td's he's still a Top 5 back. I can't believe there's even a debate at the #4 hole.

 
For all that are predicting the end for Tiki, and saying he is too risky, can we please see some projections for him. This arguement holds no water. Look at the past #'s and take away what you want. The numbers are still there.

 
Take Tiki at #4. To take Ronnie Brown over Tiki is ridiculous. He hasn't proven he can carry the load.Let's say Tiki's #'s do go down this year. So freaking what. Last year he had 2400 total yards & 11 Td's. I f he only gets 2000 yds and 10 Td's he's still a Top 5 back. I can't believe there's even a debate at the #4 hole.
Last year Tiki still got quite a bit of the goal line work, this year he has already passed the goal line torch to the big guy.Brown has never been given a chance to carry the load. This year it is his job alone. I just can`t stand to see it get down to the 1 and have a Duckett or Jacobs come trotting on the field.
 
Don't panic if some goalline work does go to Jacobs. Tiki's 2005 was down 4 rushing TDs from 2006. His 2006 scores are as follows:

21yd Rush

6 yd Pass

12yd Rush

16yd Rush

4yd Rush

4yd Rush

3yd Rush

4yd Pass

41yd Rush

20yd Rush

95yd Rush

Giving away 3-4 TDs to Jacobs lets Tiki stay fresh and perhaps he can break off more of those 20+ yard scores. 3 fewer TDs still doesn't move him out of the #4 spot.

 
Don't panic if some goalline work does go to Jacobs. Tiki's 2005 was down 4 rushing TDs from 2006. His 2006 scores are as follows:21yd Rush6 yd Pass12yd Rush16yd Rush4yd Rush4yd Rush3yd Rush4yd Pass41yd Rush20yd Rush95yd RushGiving away 3-4 TDs to Jacobs lets Tiki stay fresh and perhaps he can break off more of those 20+ yard scores. 3 fewer TDs still doesn't move him out of the #4 spot.
3-4 won't matter much but 10 will. Jacobs will take that many TDs. He took 7 last year and I cannot think he'll take less this year.Projections for Tiki - assuming he's healthy all year, 1250 rush, 400 rec, 6 TDs. That's 12ish ranked RB in my book. That's also right around his 2003 year.Downside risks:-Age-Jacobs-Workload previous years (4 straight years of 350+ touches, with 400+ last year).-Absoutely BRUTAL schedule to open the year (Indy, Phi, Sea, BYE, Wash, Atl, Dal, TB).-see also Dillon, Corey; Taylor, Fred; Davis, Stephen; Faulk, Marshall.Upside:-Eli gets better, opening up running lanes.-What else??? That's it IMO.If you draft Tiki at 4 you will not be happy through week 8.
 
Giving away 3-4 TDs to Jacobs lets Tiki stay fresh and perhaps he can break off more of those 20+ yard scores. 3 fewer TDs still doesn't move him out of the #4 spot.
3-4 won't matter much but 10 will. Jacobs will take that many TDs. He took 7 last year and I cannot think he'll take less this year.Projections for Tiki - assuming he's healthy all year, 1250 rush, 400 rec, 6 TDs. That's 12ish ranked RB in my book. That's also right around his 2003 year.
I should say "Jacobs takes 3-4 additional TDs this year".I certainly don't see 1600 total yards for Tiki. Yes that's close to his 2003 production, but way off from 2002, 2004, and 2005 (~2000yds+ in each).

 
Don't panic if some goalline work does go to Jacobs. Tiki's 2005 was down 4 rushing TDs from 2006. His 2006 scores are as follows:

21yd Rush

6 yd Pass

12yd Rush

16yd Rush

4yd Rush

4yd Rush

3yd Rush

4yd Pass

41yd Rush

20yd Rush

95yd Rush

Giving away 3-4 TDs to Jacobs lets Tiki stay fresh and perhaps he can break off more of those 20+ yard scores. 3 fewer TDs still doesn't move him out of the #4 spot.
3-4 won't matter much but 10 will. Jacobs will take that many TDs. He took 7 last year and I cannot think he'll take less this year.Projections for Tiki - assuming he's healthy all year, 1250 rush, 400 rec, 6 TDs. That's 12ish ranked RB in my book. That's also right around his 2003 year.

Downside risks:

-Age

-Jacobs

-Workload previous years (4 straight years of 350+ touches, with 400+ last year).

-Absoutely BRUTAL schedule to open the year (Indy, Phi, Sea, BYE, Wash, Atl, Dal, TB).

-see also Dillon, Corey; Taylor, Fred; Davis, Stephen; Faulk, Marshall.

Upside:

-Eli gets better, opening up running lanes.

-What else??? That's it IMO.

If you draft Tiki at 4 you will not be happy through week 8.
Everyone keeps bringing up the tough run schedule. That would be great for a guy like Rudi who gets about 95% of his yards on the ground, but Tiki has averaged about 540 yards receiving the last 4 years. Because of that, you can't put as much weight on his rushing total.Also he went for 340 total yards and a TD against WASH last year in 2 games, and 178 total yards against SEA, and 329 total yards and a TD against PHIL in 2 games. You say a game against IND will be tough, I see a shoot out were Tiki racks up many yards on draws and receptions. In that same type of game Rudi would be on the bench for a 3rd down RB.

With your projects I guess he's going to go from 5.2 yd/carry to about 4.5 yd/carry while also going from 357 carries to about 275. He'll also either drop down to about 44 catches or drop his career yard/catch of 8.9 down to about 7.5 on his usual 53 receptions. By the way, he started 2005 with only 7 rec's in his first 5 games, then went off with 47 rec's in the last 11 games. To me that says it took young Eli a little while to realize what he had, then took advantage of it. I see his receptions on the rise.

I can see an arguement for other RB's in a non PPR leagues, but to say Tiki is outside the top 10 is a joke. Every other RB, outside of the top 3 have just as many worries as Tiki, and none of them outside of maybe Edge and an injured Portis have came close to his production. Take Rudi, with his very limited upside, and he too will be steady, or take a RB your hoping will have his 1st great year ever and it could cost you your draft.

 
Don't panic if some goalline work does go to Jacobs. Tiki's 2005 was down 4 rushing TDs from 2006. His 2006 scores are as follows:

21yd Rush

6 yd Pass

12yd Rush

16yd Rush

4yd Rush

4yd Rush

3yd Rush

4yd Pass

41yd Rush

20yd Rush

95yd Rush

Giving away 3-4 TDs to Jacobs lets Tiki stay fresh and perhaps he can break off more of those 20+ yard scores. 3 fewer TDs still doesn't move him out of the #4 spot.
3-4 won't matter much but 10 will. Jacobs will take that many TDs. He took 7 last year and I cannot think he'll take less this year.Projections for Tiki - assuming he's healthy all year, 1250 rush, 400 rec, 6 TDs. That's 12ish ranked RB in my book. That's also right around his 2003 year.

Downside risks:

-Age

-Jacobs

-Workload previous years (4 straight years of 350+ touches, with 400+ last year).

-Absoutely BRUTAL schedule to open the year (Indy, Phi, Sea, BYE, Wash, Atl, Dal, TB).

-see also Dillon, Corey; Taylor, Fred; Davis, Stephen; Faulk, Marshall.

Upside:

-Eli gets better, opening up running lanes.

-What else??? That's it IMO.

If you draft Tiki at 4 you will not be happy through week 8.
Everyone keeps bringing up the tough run schedule. That would be great for a guy like Rudi who gets about 95% of his yards on the ground, but Tiki has averaged about 540 yards receiving the last 4 years. Because of that, you can't put as much weight on his rushing total.Also he went for 340 total yards and a TD against WASH last year in 2 games, and 178 total yards against SEA, and 329 total yards and a TD against PHIL in 2 games. You say a game against IND will be tough, I see a shoot out were Tiki racks up many yards on draws and receptions. In that same type of game Rudi would be on the bench for a 3rd down RB.

With your projects I guess he's going to go from 5.2 yd/carry to about 4.5 yd/carry while also going from 357 carries to about 275. He'll also either drop down to about 44 catches or drop his career yard/catch of 8.9 down to about 7.5 on his usual 53 receptions. By the way, he started 2005 with only 7 rec's in his first 5 games, then went off with 47 rec's in the last 11 games. To me that says it took young Eli a little while to realize what he had, then took advantage of it. I see his receptions on the rise.

I can see an arguement for other RB's in a non PPR leagues, but to say Tiki is outside the top 10 is a joke. Every other RB, outside of the top 3 have just as many worries as Tiki, and none of them outside of maybe Edge and an injured Portis have came close to his production. Take Rudi, with his very limited upside, and he too will be steady, or take a RB your hoping will have his 1st great year ever and it could cost you your draft.
- Perry is on the PUP so Rudi doesn't get pulled on 3rd down for at least the 1st half of the year.- Maturing QBs tend to stop dumping off to RBs and go to WRs and TEs more.

- Tough Ds tend to shut down offenses in total, not just rushing. Not sure where your implication that lower rush yds will be made up via the air comes from. Yards are yards.

Draft him if you like, but I'm passing for someone with zero competition for touches, is younger, had a lighter workload and an easier schedule. It's all about upside.

 
snellman said:
nightshift said:
fanaticskinsfan said:
I am drafting 4th tonight. What is the latest word on how much of a work load Brandon Jacobs will steal from Tiki? I know he wants the ball more. My league is not a PPR league. Any info on Tiki and Rudi J. will be helpful.I was thrilled to be drafting at the 4 spot in early August, but when CP went down it srewed me up. I think it is the worst position to be in now.One guy in my league was offering his 10th slot for my 4th slot straight up. I may take it if none of the big 3 fall to me. TIA
I don't get this trade either.Tiki is a solid #4 pick. Always underrated, always overdelivers. VALUE. :yes:
Doesn't anyone else think Jacobs will take some of Tiki's touches this year? I personally can see it happen, and that is nothing against Tiki, but he is getting older and I can see Jacobs taking some time to keep him fresh.
Definitely but only because I heard Tiki say that Jacobs would be taking carries away from him(actually, he said that he would be GIVING Jacobs more carries this year. Wants to extend his career). He also indicated that Jacobs would be in the game when they are near the goal line. He said this several times in the offseason on his Sirius radio show.
 
Don't panic if some goalline work does go to Jacobs. Tiki's 2005 was down 4 rushing TDs from 2006. His 2006 scores are as follows:

21yd Rush

6 yd Pass

12yd Rush

16yd Rush

4yd Rush

4yd Rush

3yd Rush

4yd Pass

41yd Rush

20yd Rush

95yd Rush

Giving away 3-4 TDs to Jacobs lets Tiki stay fresh and perhaps he can break off more of those 20+ yard scores. 3 fewer TDs still doesn't move him out of the #4 spot.
3-4 won't matter much but 10 will. Jacobs will take that many TDs. He took 7 last year and I cannot think he'll take less this year.Projections for Tiki - assuming he's healthy all year, 1250 rush, 400 rec, 6 TDs. That's 12ish ranked RB in my book. That's also right around his 2003 year.

Downside risks:

-Age

-Jacobs

-Workload previous years (4 straight years of 350+ touches, with 400+ last year).

-Absoutely BRUTAL schedule to open the year (Indy, Phi, Sea, BYE, Wash, Atl, Dal, TB).

-see also Dillon, Corey; Taylor, Fred; Davis, Stephen; Faulk, Marshall.

Upside:

-Eli gets better, opening up running lanes.

-What else??? That's it IMO.

If you draft Tiki at 4 you will not be happy through week 8.
Everyone keeps bringing up the tough run schedule. That would be great for a guy like Rudi who gets about 95% of his yards on the ground, but Tiki has averaged about 540 yards receiving the last 4 years. Because of that, you can't put as much weight on his rushing total.Also he went for 340 total yards and a TD against WASH last year in 2 games, and 178 total yards against SEA, and 329 total yards and a TD against PHIL in 2 games. You say a game against IND will be tough, I see a shoot out were Tiki racks up many yards on draws and receptions. In that same type of game Rudi would be on the bench for a 3rd down RB.

With your projects I guess he's going to go from 5.2 yd/carry to about 4.5 yd/carry while also going from 357 carries to about 275. He'll also either drop down to about 44 catches or drop his career yard/catch of 8.9 down to about 7.5 on his usual 53 receptions. By the way, he started 2005 with only 7 rec's in his first 5 games, then went off with 47 rec's in the last 11 games. To me that says it took young Eli a little while to realize what he had, then took advantage of it. I see his receptions on the rise.

I can see an arguement for other RB's in a non PPR leagues, but to say Tiki is outside the top 10 is a joke. Every other RB, outside of the top 3 have just as many worries as Tiki, and none of them outside of maybe Edge and an injured Portis have came close to his production. Take Rudi, with his very limited upside, and he too will be steady, or take a RB your hoping will have his 1st great year ever and it could cost you your draft.
- Perry is on the PUP so Rudi doesn't get pulled on 3rd down for at least the 1st half of the year.- Maturing QBs tend to stop dumping off to RBs and go to WRs and TEs more.- Tough Ds tend to shut down offenses in total, not just rushing. Not sure where your implication that lower rush yds will be made up via the air comes from. Yards are yards.

Draft him if you like, but I'm passing for someone with zero competition for touches, is younger, had a lighter workload and an easier schedule. It's all about upside.
Kenny Watson down?
 
Don't panic if some goalline work does go to Jacobs. Tiki's 2005 was down 4 rushing TDs from 2006. His 2006 scores are as follows:

21yd Rush

6 yd Pass

12yd Rush

16yd Rush

4yd Rush

4yd Rush

3yd Rush

4yd Pass

41yd Rush

20yd Rush

95yd Rush

Giving away 3-4 TDs to Jacobs lets Tiki stay fresh and perhaps he can break off more of those 20+ yard scores. 3 fewer TDs still doesn't move him out of the #4 spot.
3-4 won't matter much but 10 will. Jacobs will take that many TDs. He took 7 last year and I cannot think he'll take less this year.Projections for Tiki - assuming he's healthy all year, 1250 rush, 400 rec, 6 TDs. That's 12ish ranked RB in my book. That's also right around his 2003 year.

Downside risks:

-Age

-Jacobs

-Workload previous years (4 straight years of 350+ touches, with 400+ last year).

-Absoutely BRUTAL schedule to open the year (Indy, Phi, Sea, BYE, Wash, Atl, Dal, TB).

-see also Dillon, Corey; Taylor, Fred; Davis, Stephen; Faulk, Marshall.

Upside:

-Eli gets better, opening up running lanes.

-What else??? That's it IMO.

If you draft Tiki at 4 you will not be happy through week 8.
Everyone keeps bringing up the tough run schedule. That would be great for a guy like Rudi who gets about 95% of his yards on the ground, but Tiki has averaged about 540 yards receiving the last 4 years. Because of that, you can't put as much weight on his rushing total.Also he went for 340 total yards and a TD against WASH last year in 2 games, and 178 total yards against SEA, and 329 total yards and a TD against PHIL in 2 games. You say a game against IND will be tough, I see a shoot out were Tiki racks up many yards on draws and receptions. In that same type of game Rudi would be on the bench for a 3rd down RB.

With your projects I guess he's going to go from 5.2 yd/carry to about 4.5 yd/carry while also going from 357 carries to about 275. He'll also either drop down to about 44 catches or drop his career yard/catch of 8.9 down to about 7.5 on his usual 53 receptions. By the way, he started 2005 with only 7 rec's in his first 5 games, then went off with 47 rec's in the last 11 games. To me that says it took young Eli a little while to realize what he had, then took advantage of it. I see his receptions on the rise.

I can see an arguement for other RB's in a non PPR leagues, but to say Tiki is outside the top 10 is a joke. Every other RB, outside of the top 3 have just as many worries as Tiki, and none of them outside of maybe Edge and an injured Portis have came close to his production. Take Rudi, with his very limited upside, and he too will be steady, or take a RB your hoping will have his 1st great year ever and it could cost you your draft.
- Perry is on the PUP so Rudi doesn't get pulled on 3rd down for at least the 1st half of the year.- Maturing QBs tend to stop dumping off to RBs and go to WRs and TEs more.- Tough Ds tend to shut down offenses in total, not just rushing. Not sure where your implication that lower rush yds will be made up via the air comes from. Yards are yards.

Draft him if you like, but I'm passing for someone with zero competition for touches, is younger, had a lighter workload and an easier schedule. It's all about upside.
Kenny Watson down?
Kenny "I didn't have a single yard in 2005" Watson?
 
Well I just finished my draft and I trade the #4 draft position to a Giants fan for the #7 draft positon and his 5th round pick. I picked up Ronnie Brown and then got Portis in the 2nd. Followed that up with Warrick Dunn in the 3rd as a little insurance.

The guy I traded with picked up Tiki as expected.

In the 5th round I took Javon Walker & Joe Horn with my extra pick.

Basically my draft went.

1.07 Ronnie Brown

2.06 Clinton Portis

3.07 Warrick Dunn

4.06 Donald Driver

5.04 Javon Walker (extra pick)

5.07 Joe Horn

6.06 Todd Heap

7.07 Andre Johnson

8.06 Michael Vick

9.07 Trent Green

10.06 Wali Lundy

11.07 LJ Smith

12.06 Bucs Def

13.07 Jay Feely

14.06 Traded Away

I thought it worked out ok for me. What do you think?

 

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