Drafting Deangelo / Foster...? (1 Viewer)

[((Morpheus))]

I'm curious to hear from anybody targeting Deangelo / Foster, specifically those drafting from the ends:

Obviously there is enormous upside, but is it better to simply eschew the pair in favor of a safer pick like Dillon in rounds 5/6?

Is it even worth it to grab just one of the two?

I'll hang up and listen...

 

[hooptd]

If I can go rb/wr in rounds 1-2, then try to get foster/Williams in 4-6, I'll be very happy

 

[a_f13nd]

I wonder if the value of having the stud Carolina back no matter what would lead to you bumping up the value of both. I mean, at the end of the round one could secure both with ease at 3-4. What if someone sniped Williams before your 5-6 pick? Does it invalidate the 4 pick? Or, do you lose too much in not taking another WR at 3-4.

My thought is that going RB-WR, you will get a good enough WR1 that you can focus on shoring up your RB corps. Then pick WR-WR in 5-6 knowing with certainty that you have an RB2 quality back (who you picked in late round 1) and an RB1 back and his backup. Can we guess that "CAROLINA RB" will be worth a top-10?

For even more daring, could go RB-WR, Bell/Foster, Dayne/Williams, WR-WR-WR-BPA

 

[MLBrandow]

My thought is that going RB-WR, you will get a good enough WR1 that you can focus on shoring up your RB corps. Then pick WR-WR in 5-6 knowing with certainty that you have an RB2 quality back (who you picked in late round 1) and an RB1 back and his backup. Can we guess that "CAROLINA RB" will be worth a top-10?

CAR Starting Rushers (GS) -

2003: (14)Davis - 318/1444/159/8, (2)Foster - 43/132/36/1 = 361/1576/195/9

2004: (7)Goings - 182/691/215/6, (2)Foster - 51/225/54/2, (1)Hoover - 24/99/6/0 (2)Davis - 24/92/32/0 = 375/1107/307/8* (scaled to 16 games, only had 12 usable)

2005: (7)Foster - 130/600/117/3, (9)Davis - 160/487/41/12 = 290/1087/158/15

3yr avg: 328/1257/220/11

In 2003, with no RBBC split, 16 games gets you a 1500/10 guy.  That makes RB9.

In 2004, with injuries out the wazoo, they still managed to pull off 1400 all purpose and 8 TDs.  That would have made RB10 last year.

In 2005, you had a partial RBBC split between Davis/Foster, and it was because of durability/health concerns by the coaching staff, who lost both to injury last year.  Even with that, the "leading" ball carrier each game managed 1200/15 split.  That would have made RB9.

CAR has put up RB9-10 numbers for the past 3 seasons, despite rampant injuries.  With Foster battling for his job, and an eager blue chip rookie in Williams looming, you can expect RB9-10 numbers as a floor from these two backs.

Foster's ADP: 4.04Williams's ADP: 7.07

I'd say it's a great investment.

 

[lord_helmet]

I'm in a keeper league (keep 5, 1 QB,1 RB, 1 WR, 1 IDP & 1 FLEX). As defending champ I had the last pick in this years draft, and I grabbed Foster/Williams with my first 2 picks which translates to 6.10 & 7.1

Great value I think, even for a 10 teamer

 

[Pots]

I'm in a keeper league (keep 5, 1 QB,1 RB, 1 WR, 1 IDP & 1 FLEX). As defending champ I had the last pick in this years draft, and I grabbed Foster/Williams with my first 2 picks which translates to 6.10 & 7.1

Great value I think, even for a 10 teamer

Defending champ in a 10 teamer, pft.

 

[cr8f]

I'm thinking about doing that this year.

 

[lebowski]

I think it will only work if you pick at the end. If you pick early you would have to use your 3rd pick on foster which is too early and you risk losing Williams on the swing.

 

[Big Score]

I'm a little gun shy of burning two picks to secure a RB and then have it blow up in my face when it turns into RBBC getting little value from either back, as they eat up each others opportunities.

 

[zanti8]

ive benn drafting deangelo in most of my re-drafts as my rb 4 . he be the man cone fantasy playoff time !

 

[Spike]

I'm curious to hear from anybody targeting Deangelo / Foster, specifically those drafting from the ends:

Obviously there is enormous upside, but is it better to simply eschew the pair in favor of a safer pick like Dillon in rounds 5/6?

Is it even worth it to grab just one of the two?

I'll hang up and listen...

Are you a first time caller?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Id go for the NE or CHI combos over the CAR combo because Eric Shelton could vulture TDs.

 

[BoomBoom]

Posted this in another thread, but in this experts draft (12 teamer), Foster was taken at 5.4 and Williams went at 7.4 to FootballMinds.com.

They went: Portis/Fitzgerald/JJones/TGonzalez/Foster/Galloway/DWilliams out of the #4 slot.

In this particular league where only 2 RB's/2 WR's are required to start, that looks to be a pretty good combo considering where they were drafted. Looks like TE's were going early (Gates went early 3, then Shockey, Heap, Gonzo all went in the 4th) because of the limited number of starters required.

 

[amnesiac]

Id go for the NE or CHI combos over the CAR combo because Eric Shelton could vulture TDs.

in a keeper format the NE combo is looking good. should be an easy choice at the end of the year.

 

[jerseyh8r]

I think it will only work if you pick at the end. If you pick early you would have to use your 3rd pick on foster which is too early and you risk losing Williams on the swing.

I think this is the right answer. Drafting early, I have been doing some mocks trying to get both, but have been unsuccessful in landing both without getting Williams earlier than his ADP. I have been able to get Foster in the early 5th round, Williams has not been coming back. There are enough people out there right now that think he is the best rookie RB and will be starting early on that they are scooping him up and preventing the handcuff.I personally think Foster keeps the job if healthy and puts up marginal top numbers, but there is a risk for RBBC and I don't like the idea of having my RB2 go down and have to rely on guessing which CAR RB to start on a given week. It is safer to just grab Dunn as RB3 if he comes to you.

 

[((Morpheus))]

After reading the replies, I'm starting to shy away from the Deangelo / Foster bandwagon. I am drafting from the 10th spot in a 10-man league, and thus feel I have a good shot at landing the two... but I'm beginning to think that I'll have to sacrifice too much value to do so. Perhaps a middle pick would be better suited for this combo, but not the ends.

I'll either have to reach for Foster on the 3/4 turn (and thus end up passing on RBs like Lewis, Taylor, and Dunn) and Deangelo on the 5/6 turn, or pray for both to fall to the 5/6 turn. And although I feel that the CAR RB1 will put up top-10 numbers this season, I'm not willing to gamble on a potential RBBC nightmare.

 

[lebowski]

or pray for both to fall to the 5/6 turn.

I think this is the way to go. Draft 2 RB's in your 1st 3 picks and then if they are availible at the 5/6 take them. That will give you GREAT RB depth. I draft at #1 this year and I am going to go RB, RB, WR with my 1st 3 picks and then hope for some pairing of RB's (chi, den, car, ind) on the swing to solidify my RB's

 

[BuckeyeArt]

My thought is that going RB-WR, you will get a good enough WR1 that you can focus on shoring up your RB corps. Then pick WR-WR in 5-6 knowing with certainty that you have an RB2 quality back (who you picked in late round 1) and an RB1 back and his backup. Can we guess that "CAROLINA RB" will be worth a top-10?

CAR Starting Rushers (GS) -

2003: (14)Davis - 318/1444/159/8, (2)Foster - 43/132/36/1 = 361/1576/195/9

2004: (7)Goings - 182/691/215/6, (2)Foster - 51/225/54/2, (1)Hoover - 24/99/6/0 (2)Davis - 24/92/32/0 = 375/1107/307/8* (scaled to 16 games, only had 12 usable)

2005: (7)Foster - 130/600/117/3, (9)Davis - 160/487/41/12 = 290/1087/158/15

3yr avg: 328/1257/220/11

In 2003, with no RBBC split, 16 games gets you a 1500/10 guy.  That makes RB9.

In 2004, with injuries out the wazoo, they still managed to pull off 1400 all purpose and 8 TDs.  That would have made RB10 last year.

In 2005, you had a partial RBBC split between Davis/Foster, and it was because of durability/health concerns by the coaching staff, who lost both to injury last year.  Even with that, the "leading" ball carrier each game managed 1200/15 split.  That would have made RB9.

CAR has put up RB9-10 numbers for the past 3 seasons, despite rampant injuries.  With Foster battling for his job, and an eager blue chip rookie in Williams looming, you can expect RB9-10 numbers as a floor from these two backs.

Foster's ADP: 4.04Williams's ADP: 7.07

I'd say it's a great investment.

That's a good theory but it's hard to put into practice. You don't get to pick your starter after the game is over. Even if you knew who Carolina was starting, and used that to make your decision who to start, the numbers come out a little different. Looking at 2005, the starters produced a combination of 1144 yards and 10 TD's. Still pretty good, but more in the 13-15 range. 2004 probably would have been tougher, evn just to predict the starter.

 

[MLBrandow]

It won't be hard IMO. Start Foster until a) he gets injured, b) Fox says "we're starting Williams"

 

[lord_helmet]

I'm in a keeper league (keep 5, 1 QB,1 RB, 1 WR, 1 IDP & 1 FLEX). As defending champ I had the last pick in this years draft, and I grabbed Foster/Williams with my first 2 picks which translates to 6.10 & 7.1

Great value I think, even for a 10 teamer

Defending champ in a 10 teamer, pft.

Whats your point ? I have won other leagues as well, and this one is actually one of my more competative leagues. And it just so happens that I won it in its 3rd year, and I enjoyed it too..

 

[a_f13nd]

It won't be hard IMO. Start Foster until a) he gets injured, b) Fox says "we're starting Williams"

It seems pretty logical to me. If someone gets Foster before 3.14/4.01 would you still target Williams at the 5.14/6.01 or 7.14/8.01? I think there's a good chance Foster could get banged around. I'd still like having him just in case he lasts five or six games, since his production will be solid.

 

[Buckychudd]

Id go for the NE or CHI combos over the CAR combo because Eric Shelton could vulture TDs.

I don't have much confidence in Shelton. He's big, but doesn't run like it.I'd take NE over CAR over CHI.