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DRAGGIN'S 2008 NFL MOCK DRAFT (1 Viewer)

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Another mock for your perusal.....my first effort of the year now that all underclassmen have declared....Hopefully, I've brought some other considerations to the party for discussion here. Feedback requested, feel free to critique

January 19, 2008

Draggin’s 2008 NFL Mock Draft (Pre-Combine)

1st ROUND

1. Miami Dolphins Chris Long DE 6’4” 280 Virginia

Chris Long is one of the surest things in this year’s draft. Bringing a non-stop motor and top pedigree (Howie Long’s son), he is an ideal fit in the new 3-4 scheme that will be implemented by the Dolphins which is the determining factor for why he gets the nod over Dorsey, who is more suited for a 4-3. But make no mistake, Long is a Parcells type of player and will be a fixture on the defense for the next decade Compares favorably to his father, of course, but also more recent guys like A.Kampman, J.Anderson, and A.Carriker.

2. St. Louis Rams Jake Long OT 6’7” 315 Michigan

This is a tough decision for the Rams with needs in abundance throughout the team. With a bit more depth along the DL in this draft, they opt to address the OL here and select Long, an elite tackle prospect. With Pace breaking down over the past two seasons, the Rams offense has suffered big-time and Marc Bulger has been beaten like a rag doll. Long provides an immediate upgrade at RT and has the natural athleticism and technique to slide over to the left side whenever Pace decides to hang ‘em up or gets injured.

3. Atlanta Falcons Glenn Dorsey DT 6’2” 300 LSU

The Falcons can’t wait to make their way to the podium with perhaps the top player in the entire draft still available. Although there is still a need for a franchise QB, Dorsey is too good to pass here, as his tenacity, toughness, and technique will bring much needed playmaking ability along the front four. In playing through various injuries his Sr. year, Dorsey more than proved his worth and will immediately bring leadership and stability to this team as they embark on a new era.

4. Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB 6’2” 215 Arkansas

One of the Raiders most pressing needs is to add a dynamic playmaker to the offense. Although Justin Fargas proved that he is an NFL starting caliber RB, a talent like McFadden does not come along often. His combination of breakaway speed and toughness will serve him well at the next level. McFadden is a more physical runner than he’s given credit for, and the Raiders add a home-run threat to pair with franchise signal-caller JaMarcus Russell.

5. Kansas City Chiefs Ryan Clady OT 6’6” 320 Boise St.

Probably the least kept secret is how inept the Chiefs o-line is, and although Clady is probably not rated this high, this is very much a pick the Chiefs need, and thus they have to make this selection or look to trade down and select an OL like Baker, Otah, or Clady, a bit further down in the 1st. The athleticism of Clady may propel this guy into an elite NFL left tackle, so this choice in the long run may prove to be a wise one.

6. New York Jets Vernon Gholston DE/OLB 6’4” 265 Ohio St.

Still in the process of assembling the personnel for their 3-4 base defense, the Jets add a marvelous physical specimen to come off the edge and wreck havoc in opposing backfields. Gholston is a fast riser up draft boards and could develop into a Merriman/Ware type of impact player.

7. New England Patriots Derrick Harvey DE 6’4” 260 Miami (FL)

A very good athlete for his size, Harvey provides speed off the edge and may also be able to drop into a short zone in passing situations from the OLB position. Belichick is always looking for defensive playmakers, and with the offense pretty much solidified, he can address the defense here. Gholston would have been preferred, however, pass rushers like Harvery are always in high demand. CB could also be given consideration here, but the value at the position should be there in the subsequent rounds.

8. Baltimore Ravens Matt Ryan QB 6’5” 225 Boston Coll.

Taking over the Ravens job at this point in time, new HC John Harbaugh obviously must address the offense. There are needs on all offensive units other than RB, however, the most pressing need is to find a QB to lead this team. Ryan is a good fit. An experienced, poised, and accurate passer, Ryan should be able to start from Day 1 and pick up an NFL offense and defensive reads rather quickly. Not an elite athlete, but Ryan is a solid QB who could become a Pro Bowl caliber performer in the mold of a Matt Hasselbeck.

9. Cincinnati Bengals Sedrick Ellis DT 6’1” 290 USC

In their (seemingly) never-ending search for top-notch defensive talent, the Bengals tab a guy who arrives with a great work ethic and upstanding character to match his superb talent level. Ellis is stout vs the run and is able to penetrate into the backfield as a disruptive force in the middle. Getting a defensive talent like Ellis at this point in the draft is great value for the Bengals and addresses a major weakness for them.

10. New Orleans Saints Leodis McKelvin CB 5’11” 190 Troy

This selection is primarily a byproduct of two key factors: 1)teams must field multiple cover corners to keep up with today’s dynamic passing schemes, and 2)increased emphasis on the return game in the NFL nowadays. McKelvin is a smooth, natural cover guy who has all the tools to develop into a top-level cornerback with the proper coaching. Hailing from a small-school, the same school that produced DeMarcus Ware, McKelvin may start out as a nickel/dime corner but should pay immediate dividends in the return game.

11. Buffalo Bills Malcolm Kelly WR 6’4” 220 Oklahoma

Still a relatively raw talent but with a huge upside, Kelly provides a true 2nd receiving threat opposite the big-play capability of Lee Evans. A very smooth athlete with big-play potential as well, Kelly has the size to be a very nice red-zone target for 2nd year QB Trent Edwards. Look for the Bills to loosen the reigns on their young signal-caller in ’08, as they now have multiple, young, athletic weapons to deploy at the skill positions.

12. Denver Broncos Kenny Phillips S 6’2” 210 Miami (FL)

With John Lynch getting up in age, bringing in a smart, athletic, physical DB like Phillips makes a lot of sense. Although probably not as highly rated a prospect as the late Sean Taylor, Phillips is certainly capable of living up to the standard of previous safety prospects to come from ‘The U’. This guy just seems to always be around the ball making plays in both the run and passing game and he should step into a starting position to begin the season.

13. Carolina Panthers Andre Woodson QB 6’4” 230 Kentucky

With HC Fox on the hotseat, this selection could seal his fate and usher in the Bill Cowher era in Carolina if the Panthers fall flat again in ’08. Woodson is a development player, albeit with marvelous tools, who is not ready to lead a team at the NFL level into contention. If Fox has much input, this selection will most likely not be a young QB, unless Ryan somehow slips, but probably a defender or possibly a WR like Sweed.

14. Chicago Bears Rashard Mendenhall RB 5’11” 225 Illinois

The Bears, who operate deep in the heart of Big Ten country, have to look no further than their own backyard to find a much-needed offensive playmaker. Cedric Benson is a bust, and it’s about time to move on, especially with guys like Stewart and Mendenhall available. I believe Stewart is a slightly better prospect, but the Bears will take Mendenhall due to the local connection and familiarity. Either player would be an instant upgrade over what they currently have and a welcomed addition to an offense that is starving for a legitimate threat, other than the occasional long-bomb to free-agent to be Berrian and/or Hester.

15. Detroit Lions Calais Campbell DE 6’8” 280 Miami (FL)

The Lions have not added a top-flight young pass rusher in ages, and they hope Campbell fits the bill. With one of the most nondescript front fours in the league, Campbell will at least strike an imposing shadow (at 6’8” 280) over the opposing offenses. If he can develop his pass rush technique, including better utilization of his hands, the sky is the limit for him.

16. Arizona Cardinals Jonathan Stewart RB 5’11” 230 Oregon

No way Stewart drops out of the Top 20, and the Cards tab their successor to Edgerrin James, which may happen sooner rather than later. A physical marvel, Stewart showed that he is finally healthy as his talent was on display all season. I expect him to wow the scouts at the combine and/or in his personal workout to warrant an even higher selection. Look for several teams to attempt to trade up ahead of the Cardinals (or even the Bears) to possibly select Stewart.

17. Minnesota Vikings DeSean Jackson WR 6’0” 175 California

See Leodis McKelvin……The Vikings could certainly use a deep-threat WR to stretch the field and also a game-changing return man. This pick is one of the no-brainers of the 1st Rd, where team need meets player who is a perfect fit. Jackson is eerily similar to another slender, smooth, big-play WR who donned the Purple/Gold. Viking fans will remember……. Anthony Carter

18. Houston Texans Mike Jenkins CB 6’0” 200 S.Florida

The Texans add another piece to the (Contain Manning) puzzle with the selection of Jenkins. With Stewart and Mendenhall both off the board, this selection became a lot easier and fills a major hole in the defensive backfield - a top-level corner opposite Dunta Robinson, who will be coming off of a major knee injury next season.

19. Philadelphia Eagles Reggie Smith DB 6’0” 195 Oklahoma

Smith is a superb athlete who can play either corner or safety, but will likely be groomed as the successor to Brian Dawkins, which could also happen sooner rather than later due to cap considerations. An elite playmaker, Smith will instantly upgrade the deep middle of the Eagles secondary and can also cover in the slot as well as perform on special team coverage units.

20. Tampa Bay Bucs Sam Baker OT 6’5” 305 USC

More of a need pick rather than a value selection, the Bucs address one of their primary weaknesses for the past couple of seasons, their o-line. Baker is a LT prospect, but must get quite a bit stronger to deal with NFL-style bull rushes. Blessed with very good feet, if he puts in the proper amount of time to develop physically, he could be a very good selection at this point in the draft.

21. Washington Redskins James Hardy WR 6’7” 220 Indiana

Some team will fall in love with Hardy’s size and quickly envision him making a ton of big plays in the red zone. Hopefully, this is not a dream scenario for the Redskins and Hardy actually does make some of those plays. Currently, the only red-zone threat the Redskins employ in the passing game is Chris Cooley, a hard-working, but not an overly athletic, TE.

22. Dallas Cowboys Aqib Talib CB 6’1” 205 Kansas

Talib has the size that Dallas prefers at CB and is a wonderful athlete who plays aggressively out on the perimeter. He will need to refine his technique, but in a position that is always in high demand throughout the league, guys with his talent level are scooped up rather quickly and coaches then must do their job…..Coach ‘em up!

23. Pittsburgh Steelers Jeff Otah OL 6’6” 340 Pittsburgh

See Aqib Talib…Pittsburgh has to do a better job of protecting Roethlisberger.

24. Tennessee Titans Limas Sweed WR 6’5” 220 Texas

This is where the projection kind of went towards a wish scenario. Doesn’t Vince deserve some legit weapons? If Sweed does not come off the board earlier, which is very possible, then VY will most likely have some input on this selection. And is there any better way to make your QB feel comfortable while learning a new offense than to pair him up with his favorite target from college (where they developed quite an on-field rapport)?

25. Seattle Seahawks Pat Sims DT 6’4” 315 Auburn

Listen up Seahawks, standing pat will not land you a marquee feature-back in this draft. However, they do alright in Rd 2 below…..wink-wink…..The addition of a large body in the middle of the defense will provide depth and look for Sims to immediately get into the rotation and help stop opposing teams’ run game. Giving up over 200 yards on the ground in a playoff game is cause for some needed size to be brought in up front.

26. New York Giants Keith Rivers LB 6’3” 220 USC

A sideline-to-sideline force, Rivers projects as a Pro-Bowl caliber Weakside Linebacker that the Giants desperately need to upgrade. Rivers is a guy who could become an immediate starter, or at least start out as a situational player and special teams ace before starting by midseason.

27. Jacksonville Jaguars Phillip Merling DE 6’5” 280 Clemson

A prototypical Jaguars selection, a guy with a nonstop motor who fits their scheme on defense in that he is able to play both run and pass. Not a great pass rusher, but Merling will give maximum hustle and add further depth to an already deep d-line rotation. He would also provide insurance in the event that either Hayward or Spicer leave via FA or is released.

28. San Diego Chargers Shawn Crable OLB 6’5” 240 Michigan

The Chargers are another team that usually drafts based on fit rather than value. Crable has the length and athleticism to project as an outside rush end in their 3-4 scheme, in the mold of Shaun Phillips. In the 3-4 scheme, a team cannot have enough of these ‘tweeners to apply pressure on the QB and rotate in and out to keep guys fresh.

29. Dallas Cowboys Felix Jones RB 6’0” 205 Arkansas

Jerry Jones’ consolation prize to not landing McFadden, which will not happen, is Jones. An electric runner with premier return skills to boot, the Cowboys simply replace one (departing Julius) Jones with another (arriving Felix) Jones. Jones provides even more Lightning to Barber’s Thunder.

30. San Francisco 49’ers Devin Thomas WR 6’2” 215 Michigan St.

It’s no surprise that the team with probably the worst WR unit in the league selects a WR. What may come as a surprise is which WR they select. Thomas is a late-blossoming, but extremely talented, WR who is rising fast up draft boards. Thomas displays strong, sure hands and is also sneaky fast. If paired with a true #1, he can step in and produce rather well as a #2 and eventually could develop into a #1 WR in the NFL.

31. Green Bay Packers Antoine Cason CB 6’0” 185 Arizona

The Packers add another DB who likes to play aggressively, which fits into their current DBs’ mentality. Both Woodson and Harris are getting long in the tooth and although they are still both very effective and on top of their game, it would be wise to bring in some support and an eventual successor to one of them. Cason, who some say his stock is falling, remains one of the top CBs on most boards based on his experience level and mentality.

32. Forfeited (Patriots)

2nd ROUND

33. Miami Dolphins John Carlson TE 6’6” 260 Notre Dame

34. St. Louis Rams Frank Okam DT 6’5” 320 Texas

35. Oakland Raiders Kentwan Balmer DT 6’5” 295 N.Carolina

36. Kansas City Chiefs Dan Connor LB 6’3” 235 Penn St.

37. Atlanta Falcons Brian Brohm QB 6’4” 225 Louisville

38. New York Jets Jack Ikegwuonu CB 6’1” 195 Wisconsin

39. Baltimore Ravens Brandon Flowers CB 5’10” 200 Virginia Tech

40. San Francisco 49’ers Lawrence Jackson DE 6’5” 270 USC

41. New Orleans Saints Jerod Mayo LB 6’2” 230 Tennessee

42. Buffalo Bills Fred Davis TE 6’4” 245 USC

43. Denver Broncos Earl Bennett WR 6’1” 200 Vanderbilt

44. Carolina Panthers Early Doucet WR 6’0” 205 LSU

45. Chicago Bears Gosder Cherilus OT 6’7” 320 Boston Coll.

46. Detroit Lions Justin King CB 5’11” 185 Penn St.

47. Cincinnati Bengals Jamaal Charles RB 6’1” 205 Texas

48. Minnesota Vikings Quentin Groves DE 6’3” 255 Auburn

49. Atlanta Falcons Anthony Collins OT 6’5” 310 Kansas

50. Philadelphia Eagles Adarius Bowman WR 6’4” 220 Oklahoma St.

51. Arizona Cardinals Terrell Thomas CB 6’1” 195 USC

52. Washington Redskins DaJuan Morgan S 6’1” 200 N.Carolina St.

53. Tampa Bay Bucs Mario Manningham WR 6’0” 180 Michigan

54. Seattle Seahawks Ray Rice RB 5’9” 205 Rutgers

55. Cleveland Browns Red Bryant NT 6’5” 325 Texas A&M

56. Pittsburgh Steelers Thomas DeCoud S 6’2” 205 California

57. Tennessee Titans Curtis Lofton LB 6’0” 240 Oklahoma

58. New York Giants Patrick Lee CB 6’0” 200 Auburn

59. Jacksonville Jaguars Lavelle Hawkins WR 5’11” 185 California

60. Chicago Bears Charles Godfrey DB 6’1” 210 Iowa

61. Indianapolis Colts Keenan Burton WR 6’2” 195 Kentucky

62. Dallas Cowboys Andre Caldwell WR 6’0” 200 Florida

63. Green Bay Packers Roy Schuening G 6’4” 315 Oregon St.

64. New England Patriots Tavares Gooden LB 6’2” 240 Miami (FL)

 
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If the Falcons come out of the draft with Dorsey and Brohm and not have to trade any other picks to get them I assume they'll be pretty happy.

 
38. New York Jets Jack Ikegwuonu CB 6’1” 195 Wisconsin

45. Chicago Bears Gosder Cherilus OT 6’7” 320 Boston Coll.

Can I swap these two... The Jets better be hell bent to get OL help somewhere and I don't see this guy falling that far - I hope he lasts to 38.

 
I don't like this one

33. Miami Dolphins John Carlson TE 6’6” 260 Notre Dame

But overall it's a good read. Miami also has another 2nd from SD.

 
Just a comment from a Panthers fan - Carolina WILL NOT draft a QB in the first round. They just won't. Jake Delhomme and Matt Moore are more than capable of moving the offense. Why waste a high pick on a QB that will be the #3 QB on the depth chart? If insurance at the QB position is truly needed - fine, grab one later in the draft, where a lot of surprisingly good QBs are taken. :goodposting:

 
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First, good work overall. A few things...

5. Kansas City Chiefs Ryan Clady OT 6’6” 320 Boise St.Probably the least kept secret is how inept the Chiefs o-line is, and although Clady is probably not rated this high, this is very much a pick the Chiefs need, and thus they have to make this selection or look to trade down and select an OL like Baker, Otah, or Clady, a bit further down in the 1st. The athleticism of Clady may propel this guy into an elite NFL left tackle, so this choice in the long run may prove to be a wise one.
You're right, they need to work the OL, but I suspect we'll see a trade-down or perhaps up for either Jake Long or Dorsey. Their DL could be incredible if they landed Dorsey.
13. Carolina Panthers Andre Woodson QB 6’4” 230 KentuckyWith HC Fox on the hotseat, this selection could seal his fate and usher in the Bill Cowher era in Carolina if the Panthers fall flat again in ’08. Woodson is a development player, albeit with marvelous tools, who is not ready to lead a team at the NFL level into contention. If Fox has much input, this selection will most likely not be a young QB, unless Ryan somehow slips, but probably a defender or possibly a WR like Sweed.
Carolina should be hoping Kenny Phillips drops one more spot, or perhaps a move up if the cost is reasonable, could swap places with Buffalo if they feel Denver will take him.
15. Detroit Lions Calais Campbell DE 6’8” 280 Miami (FL)The Lions have not added a top-flight young pass rusher in ages, and they hope Campbell fits the bill. With one of the most nondescript front fours in the league, Campbell will at least strike an imposing shadow (at 6’8” 280) over the opposing offenses. If he can develop his pass rush technique, including better utilization of his hands, the sky is the limit for him.
Stranger things have happened, but with White, Edwards, IAF, and Devries, this isn't their weakest spot. Campbell might be BPA that fits, but I just don't see it. Mike Jenkins makes more sense IMO. Texans may grab Campbell, opposite Mario.
22. Dallas Cowboys Aqib Talib CB 6’1” 205 KansasTalib has the size that Dallas prefers at CB and is a wonderful athlete who plays aggressively out on the perimeter. He will need to refine his technique, but in a position that is always in high demand throughout the league, guys with his talent level are scooped up rather quickly and coaches then must do their job…..Coach ‘em up!
Talib's issue isn't coaching, it's speed. He would pair well with Newman, but Henry's no slouch. Talib would be a great nickelback, but not this high. I'd rather see Sweed or Crable here. Grab TO/Glenn's replacement or Ellis's. Crable opposite Ware would be huge.
 
I like it. One of the best ones I've seen. Couple of smaller things.

As Haseley said, I doubt Carolina goes QB.

I could see Dallas going Talib and Felix in the first. They'll almost certainly go CB with at least 1 of their first rounders. Regarding Jones, though, I would not be surprised if Dallas went another direction given the deep RB class and that he'll be a backup for the forseeable future. Kinda hard to justify a 1st rounder that you know won't likely be a starter for awhile. And as for a WR in the second, definitely possible. When you get around 60, who knows what will happen? But Dallas does have 3 young WRs in Hurd, Austin, and Stanback. Don't need another developmental project. The strong speculation among Dallas followers is that the WR spot will be addressed by either trade or FA. So I'm leery of projecting a first day pick on a WR for Dallas. Not saying it isnt a need. Just saying it will most likely be filled through other means.

Overall, great job. A lot of fun. :bag:

 
it has the Jets not taking Mcfadden. That alone has me smiling. A lot of picks that are a little off the beaten path. Nice work.

 
38. New York Jets Jack Ikegwuonu CB 6’1” 195 Wisconsin45. Chicago Bears Gosder Cherilus OT 6’7” 320 Boston Coll. Can I swap these two... The Jets better be hell bent to get OL help somewhere and I don't see this guy falling that far - I hope he lasts to 38.
Yeah, good call......The OL will probably go first under this scenario and the Jets sure could really use a RT.
 
I don't like this one33. Miami Dolphins John Carlson TE 6’6” 260 Notre DameBut overall it's a good read. Miami also has another 2nd from SD.
Not a sexy pick, I agree. But I had to consider the Parcells factor. Parcells has a certain prototype of player that he prefers, and he places an emphasis on the TE position, the Bavarro types ala J.Witten who have good size and can block as well as get down the field at least pretty good. And IMHO, Carlson projects as a Parcells type of player. Look for this first draft under Parcells to be about bringing in his type of personnel, in both the draft and FA. No prima donnas like T.O. allowed....... :wub:
 
Miami Dolphins Chris Long DE 6’4” 280 Virginia
Any mock with the Dolphins taking someone other than Dorsey is good to me! Dorsey doesnt fit the system in Miami, he has injury concerns and would be a wasted pick. I still think Miami finds a way to trade out of this pick.
13. Carolina Panthers Andre Woodson QB 6’4” 230 KentuckyWith HC Fox on the hotseat, this selection could seal his fate and usher in the Bill Cowher era in Carolina if the Panthers fall flat again in ’08. Woodson is a development player, albeit with marvelous tools, who is not ready to lead a team at the NFL level into contention. If Fox has much input, this selection will most likely not be a young QB, unless Ryan somehow slips, but probably a defender or possibly a WR like Sweed.
Woodsen over Brohm? I dont see them taking a risk with Woodsen with more of a "sure thing" in Brohm on the board.
22. Dallas Cowboys Aqib Talib CB 6’1” 205 KansasTalib has the size that Dallas prefers at CB and is a wonderful athlete who plays aggressively out on the perimeter. He will need to refine his technique, but in a position that is always in high demand throughout the league, guys with his talent level are scooped up rather quickly and coaches then must do their job…..Coach ‘em up!
This is the pick I want. I dont want a WR here. I would rather have the kid from Oklahoma and if he slips to Dallas, I think they will take him for sure.
29. Dallas Cowboys Felix Jones RB 6’0” 205 ArkansasJerry Jones’ consolation prize to not landing McFadden, which will not happen, is Jones. An electric runner with premier return skills to boot, the Cowboys simply replace one (departing Julius) Jones with another (arriving Felix) Jones. Jones provides even more Lightning to Barber’s Thunder.
I would love to see this happen. I like Felix Jones a lot but I also like Jamal Charles maybe in the second round. I dont think the Cowboys have to address the RB position in the first round. I also think the Cowboys are going to go after Micheal Turner really hard and heavy. The Cowboys will probably take a RB first or second round but I have a feeling they will be taking a WR here and a RB in the second round. This draft is too deep to waste a first rounder.
32. Forfeited (Patriots)
The Pats will figure out a way to turn not picking into something.One of the better mocks I have read so far. Good work!
 
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I like it. One of the best ones I've seen. Couple of smaller things.As Haseley said, I doubt Carolina goes QB. I could see Dallas going Talib and Felix in the first. They'll almost certainly go CB with at least 1 of their first rounders. Regarding Jones, though, I would not be surprised if Dallas went another direction given the deep RB class and that he'll be a backup for the forseeable future. Kinda hard to justify a 1st rounder that you know won't likely be a starter for awhile. And as for a WR in the second, definitely possible. When you get around 60, who knows what will happen? But Dallas does have 3 young WRs in Hurd, Austin, and Stanback. Don't need another developmental project. The strong speculation among Dallas followers is that the WR spot will be addressed by either trade or FA. So I'm leery of projecting a first day pick on a WR for Dallas. Not saying it isnt a need. Just saying it will most likely be filled through other means.Overall, great job. A lot of fun. :thumbup:
I am on board with your Cowboys comments. Similar to what I said. I have read/heard the Cowboys management say how happy they are with the progress of Hurd, Austin and the possibilities of Stanbeck. I honestly think the Cowboys bring in a low price, speed guy to play the spot Glenn plays, because I dont think Glenn will be back. Crayton has been catching a lot of heat but I think he is going to be fine. The idea that the Cowboys will draft a RB in the first round is no given to me. I really think they are going to be in the market to get Turner. Turner runs between the 20's better than most and he would be perfect in that area to spell MBIII. I wouldnt be upset if they took Felix Jones though. If he is on the board at their second first rounder, I would be surprised to see them pass him up. The Cowboys have to focus on getting some talent at ILB, CB and SS. The nickel CB and SS positions killed us this year.
 
Brohm dropping to the 2nd round? Did I miss something?
One thing I really didnt agree with. I seriously doubt Chicago would pass on Brohm for another first round RB. There are too many teams that could use a prototypical QB like Brohm for him to fall to the second, especially with such a deep draft class of RB. I just dont see it happening.
 
There is a good chance that Brohm falls to the 2nd if he gets past about pick 14 and nobody trades up into the 1st like the Browns did with Quinn.

 
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19. Philadelphia Eagles Reggie Smith DB 6’0” 195 OklahomaSmith is a superb athlete who can play either corner or safety, but will likely be groomed as the successor to Brian Dawkins, which could also happen sooner rather than later due to cap considerations. An elite playmaker, Smith will instantly upgrade the deep middle of the Eagles secondary and can also cover in the slot as well as perform on special team coverage units.
I like it. DB is our biggest need. McKelvin would be good if he falls, too, because we also need a return guy.
50. Philadelphia Eagles Adarius Bowman WR 6’4” 220 Oklahoma St.
Is he as physical as his size implies? We need guys who won't get bumped off at the line.
 
Even better than the Mendenhall pick by the Bears will be the sure to be great quotes from Benson.

"This is my job. They picked me #4 for a reason".

I'd rather the Bears take a RB than QB. I'd take a OL (if best available) at that spot first and foremost. I don't believe any of the QB's are worth taking in the top half of the draft. I wouldn't take any of them before the late 1st. As we know, 1 or 2 will be taken much earlier. I just don't think the Bears (who made the SB with Grossman just last year), need to go that route with their pick that early in Round 1j. If they go QB, I'd definitely trade down first.

 
Rudi Johnson

Kenny Watson

DeDe Dorsey

Kenny Irons

Chris Perry

and the Bengals are going to take another RB in the 2nd? They'd better not.

Good reading, though.

 
Rudi Johnson - Slowing down and becoming injury prone

Kenny Watson - Decent

DeDe Dorsey - Just a body

Kenny Irons - Coming off ACL tear

Chris Perry - ALWAYS hurt

and the Bengals are going to take another RB in the 2nd? They'd better not.

Good reading, though.
All teams go four to five deep at the RB position. That doesn't mean those four or five are any good.I see no reason to think that the Bengals couldn't upgrade the position or at the very least add depth.

 
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I honestly think the Cowboys bring in a low price, speed guy to play the spot Glenn plays, because I dont think Glenn will be back. Crayton has been catching a lot of heat but I think he is going to be fine. The idea that the Cowboys will draft a RB in the first round is no given to me. I really think they are going to be in the market to get Turner. Turner runs between the 20's better than most and he would be perfect in that area to spell MBIII. I wouldnt be upset if they took Felix Jones though. If he is on the board at their second first rounder, I would be surprised to see them pass him up. The Cowboys have to focus on getting some talent at ILB, CB and SS. The nickel CB and SS positions killed us this year.
Benard Berrian to Dallas makes a WHOLE lot of sense. Potentially Stallworth after NE refuses to pay his huge roster bonus this spring. Also, there's a fair amount of speculation that Roy Williams wants out of Detroit and the Lions want to get something of value for him while they can. Think a lineup of TO, Witten, Roy Williams, and Barber would cause some headaches for defenses?Yes, the Arkansas connection for Felix Jones makes him attractive in some regards. But my understanding of the Dallas process of setting the draft board (multiple people grading each prospect then taking an average) should minimize the Jerry Jones bias. That said, I could see them going for an explosive return guy, something they could really use. That he'd also make a good COP for Barber, well, I would not rule that out.I'm actually in disagreement with many on the ILB issue. Brady James is above average there. Ayodele is an adequate vet. Not spectacular by any means. But a solid guy. Their backups are are Burnett and Carpenter, former 2nd and 1st round picks. Kinda hard to invest more in that area. The nickle DBs absolutely were the weakest part of the team this past year. Jacque Reeves was thrown on more than any other DB in the NFL this year. Thats why I think we'll see 1, and probably 2 of the first 3 picks in this area.
 
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Ridgelake said:
I like it. One of the best ones I've seen. Couple of smaller things.As Haseley said, I doubt Carolina goes QB. I could see Dallas going Talib and Felix in the first. They'll almost certainly go CB with at least 1 of their first rounders. Regarding Jones, though, I would not be surprised if Dallas went another direction given the deep RB class and that he'll be a backup for the forseeable future. Kinda hard to justify a 1st rounder that you know won't likely be a starter for awhile. And as for a WR in the second, definitely possible. When you get around 60, who knows what will happen? But Dallas does have 3 young WRs in Hurd, Austin, and Stanback. Don't need another developmental project. The strong speculation among Dallas followers is that the WR spot will be addressed by either trade or FA. So I'm leery of projecting a first day pick on a WR for Dallas. Not saying it isnt a need. Just saying it will most likely be filled through other means.Overall, great job. A lot of fun. :kicksrock:
I am on board with your Cowboys comments. Similar to what I said. I have read/heard the Cowboys management say how happy they are with the progress of Hurd, Austin and the possibilities of Stanbeck. I honestly think the Cowboys bring in a low price, speed guy to play the spot Glenn plays, because I dont think Glenn will be back. Crayton has been catching a lot of heat but I think he is going to be fine. The idea that the Cowboys will draft a RB in the first round is no given to me. I really think they are going to be in the market to get Turner. Turner runs between the 20's better than most and he would be perfect in that area to spell MBIII. I wouldnt be upset if they took Felix Jones though. If he is on the board at their second first rounder, I would be surprised to see them pass him up. The Cowboys have to focus on getting some talent at ILB, CB and SS. The nickel CB and SS positions killed us this year.
A few things I don't quite understand here. In Marion Barber, the Cowboys have a young, Pro Bowl back with upside. Now I know they'll need another tailback to share the load after Julius Jones leaves, but why spend a high pick or big time free agent dollars to do so. In short, why would they want to displace Barber? Second, Turner has spent his entire rookie contract on the pines. He's gonna get paid wherever he goes, so why would he want to go someplace where he's not the man?
 
Natty, you pretty much summed up my thoughts on using a high draft pick on a RB for Dallas. And why spend major FA bucks on a backup running back? Plenty of other areas of need with limited resources (picks and cap dollars).

The only way I think they do spend a high draft pick on one (assuming Barber is resigned) is because that person can contribute substantially in other areas. Most notably, returns. Getting a better return guy would be very helpful for Dallas. I won't call it a need because their returns have been adequate (kickoff moreso than punt). But it would be desireable to get an upgrade.

 
Natty, you pretty much summed up my thoughts on using a high draft pick on a RB for Dallas. And why spend major FA bucks on a backup running back? Plenty of other areas of need with limited resources (picks and cap dollars). The only way I think they do spend a high draft pick on one (assuming Barber is resigned) is because that person can contribute substantially in other areas. Most notably, returns. Getting a better return guy would be very helpful for Dallas. I won't call it a need because their returns have been adequate (kickoff moreso than punt). But it would be desireable to get an upgrade.
The Cowboys have said repeatedly that they dont want Barber to be the full time back. The way he runs would put quite the pounding on his body. He would be completely beaten down by week 4. They need a back that can come in and play about 40% of the time. 60% of the carries is plenty for Barber. JJ is leaving and they really have to have a guy with a similar running style to replace him. I dont see them drafting a guy. I think they will grab a FA to play that spot. They have too many other holes in my opinion.
 
Texasmouth said:
I honestly think the Cowboys bring in a low price, speed guy to play the spot Glenn plays, because I dont think Glenn will be back. Crayton has been catching a lot of heat but I think he is going to be fine. The idea that the Cowboys will draft a RB in the first round is no given to me. I really think they are going to be in the market to get Turner. Turner runs between the 20's better than most and he would be perfect in that area to spell MBIII. I wouldnt be upset if they took Felix Jones though. If he is on the board at their second first rounder, I would be surprised to see them pass him up. The Cowboys have to focus on getting some talent at ILB, CB and SS. The nickel CB and SS positions killed us this year.
Benard Berrian to Dallas makes a WHOLE lot of sense. Potentially Stallworth after NE refuses to pay his huge roster bonus this spring. Also, there's a fair amount of speculation that Roy Williams wants out of Detroit and the Lions want to get something of value for him while they can. Think a lineup of TO, Witten, Roy Williams, and Barber would cause some headaches for defenses?Yes, the Arkansas connection for Felix Jones makes him attractive in some regards. But my understanding of the Dallas process of setting the draft board (multiple people grading each prospect then taking an average) should minimize the Jerry Jones bias. That said, I could see them going for an explosive return guy, something they could really use. That he'd also make a good COP for Barber, well, I would not rule that out.I'm actually in disagreement with many on the ILB issue. Brady James is above average there. Ayodele is an adequate vet. Not spectacular by any means. But a solid guy. Their backups are are Burnett and Carpenter, former 2nd and 1st round picks. Kinda hard to invest more in that area. The nickle DBs absolutely were the weakest part of the team this past year. Jacque Reeves was thrown on more than any other DB in the NFL this year. Thats why I think we'll see 1, and probably 2 of the first 3 picks in this area.
You are probably right about the LB issue but Carpenter didnt really seem like a good fit. I wouldnt mind seeing them trade him to the Dolphins maybe. I love Brady James but Ayodele isnt that great and he misses a lot of tackles. I dont know how old he is either but I thought he was getting up there, I may be wrong though. Reeves was awful. I wish we would have kept Aaron Glenn. He was 10 times better than Reeves even last year. Bad move.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
WampusCat43 said:
Rudi Johnson - Slowing down and becoming injury prone

Kenny Watson - Decent

DeDe Dorsey - Just a body

Kenny Irons - Coming off ACL tear

Chris Perry - ALWAYS hurt

and the Bengals are going to take another RB in the 2nd? They'd better not.

Good reading, though.
All teams go four to five deep at the RB position. That doesn't mean those four or five are any good.I see no reason to think that the Bengals couldn't upgrade the position or at the very least add depth.
I'm with Wampus. They like what they see in Watson and Dorsey, and will go with them + Rudi until Perry and/or Irons are ready to take the mantle. They shouldn't take anything other than DT, DE, OT or LB in the first 4 rounds. Maybe a TE if they'd finally wake up and smell the coffee.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
WampusCat43 said:
Rudi Johnson - Slowing down and becoming injury prone

Kenny Watson - Decent

DeDe Dorsey - Just a body

Kenny Irons - Coming off ACL tear

Chris Perry - ALWAYS hurt

and the Bengals are going to take another RB in the 2nd? They'd better not.

Good reading, though.
All teams go four to five deep at the RB position. That doesn't mean those four or five are any good.I see no reason to think that the Bengals couldn't upgrade the position or at the very least add depth.
I'm with Wampus. They like what they see in Watson and Dorsey, and will go with them + Rudi until Perry and/or Irons are ready to take the mantle. They shouldn't take anything other than DT, DE, OT or LB in the first 4 rounds. Maybe a TE if they'd finally wake up and smell the coffee.
You do realize Watson is 30, right?
 
1. Miami Dolphins Chris Long DE 6’4” 280 VirginiaChris Long is one of the surest things in this year’s draft. Bringing a non-stop motor and top pedigree (Howie Long’s son), he is an ideal fit in the new 3-4 scheme that will be implemented by the Dolphins which is the determining factor for why he gets the nod over Dorsey, who is more suited for a 4-3. But make no mistake, Long is a Parcells type of player and will be a fixture on the defense for the next decade Compares favorably to his father, of course, but also more recent guys like A.Kampman, J.Anderson, and A.Carriker.
280 is a little light for a 3-4 DE. I think he can get the job done but Glenn Dorsey would be a beast at 3-4 DE.
 
First of all, nice job... as others have pointed out, it is good to see some projections that aren't the same as the rest. Now on to my local team:

56. Pittsburgh Steelers Thomas DeCoud S 6’2” 205 California
The Steelers will have many holes to fill via the draft this year. Too many to be taking a safety in the second round. I wouldn't be shocked if they go OL-OL or some combination of OL-DL-LB in the first 2 rounds. That being said, they have gone against the grain in the past, so who knows?
 
I think the Falcons would be pleased if the draft worked out like this. They had a great draft last year, and if this year goes like your first 3 predictions (Dorsey, Brohm, Collins) they would be well on their way to turning it around.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
WampusCat43 said:
Rudi Johnson - Slowing down and becoming injury prone

Kenny Watson - Decent

DeDe Dorsey - Just a body

Kenny Irons - Coming off ACL tear

Chris Perry - ALWAYS hurt

and the Bengals are going to take another RB in the 2nd? They'd better not.

Good reading, though.
All teams go four to five deep at the RB position. That doesn't mean those four or five are any good.I see no reason to think that the Bengals couldn't upgrade the position or at the very least add depth.
I'm with Wampus. They like what they see in Watson and Dorsey, and will go with them + Rudi until Perry and/or Irons are ready to take the mantle. They shouldn't take anything other than DT, DE, OT or LB in the first 4 rounds. Maybe a TE if they'd finally wake up and smell the coffee.
You do realize Watson is 30, right?
Low miles. He's only had 345 carries in his career. They just have too many other needs on defense to use a day-one pick on a strength area. They took Dorsey off the scrap heap late last season and got good production out of him.
 
1. Miami Dolphins Chris Long DE 6’4” 280 VirginiaChris Long is one of the surest things in this year’s draft. Bringing a non-stop motor and top pedigree (Howie Long’s son), he is an ideal fit in the new 3-4 scheme that will be implemented by the Dolphins which is the determining factor for why he gets the nod over Dorsey, who is more suited for a 4-3. But make no mistake, Long is a Parcells type of player and will be a fixture on the defense for the next decade Compares favorably to his father, of course, but also more recent guys like A.Kampman, J.Anderson, and A.Carriker.
280 is a little light for a 3-4 DE. I think he can get the job done but Glenn Dorsey would be a beast at 3-4 DE.
Yes, 280 may not be ideal but it is good enough if you have the other intangibles. The overriding factor is that this guy just knows how to play football and will be able to outwork the 300+ lb o-linemen that go up against him. Howie Long did very well in both the 3-4 or 4-3, so to great football players, it doesn't matter what scheme you put them in. Not saying the newbie Long is already great, but he has the motor, instincts, and tenacity to become at least very good.
 
Natty, you pretty much summed up my thoughts on using a high draft pick on a RB for Dallas. And why spend major FA bucks on a backup running back? Plenty of other areas of need with limited resources (picks and cap dollars). The only way I think they do spend a high draft pick on one (assuming Barber is resigned) is because that person can contribute substantially in other areas. Most notably, returns. Getting a better return guy would be very helpful for Dallas. I won't call it a need because their returns have been adequate (kickoff moreso than punt). But it would be desireable to get an upgrade.
The Cowboys have said repeatedly that they dont want Barber to be the full time back. The way he runs would put quite the pounding on his body. He would be completely beaten down by week 4. They need a back that can come in and play about 40% of the time. 60% of the carries is plenty for Barber. JJ is leaving and they really have to have a guy with a similar running style to replace him. I dont see them drafting a guy. I think they will grab a FA to play that spot. They have too many other holes in my opinion.
You make a few good points here about Barber needing a sidekick due to his physical style. The Cowboys certainly have at least a couple of needs. And one of the biggest holes that I saw from watching that playoff game vs. the Giants is.......The SCOREBOARD.....in tallying only 17 pts.They lack an explosive playmaker who can turn some of those gaping holes that Barber and Julius Jones routinely get into 70 and 80 yard runs, which mean points......Explosion is one of the key ingredients that separate great teams from good ones. Without a doubt, the difference that makes the Patriots a ridiculously good 18-0 as opposed to 14-4 and just another very good team ala G.B., Colts, Chargers, Cowboys, is the Randy Moss factor. He is able to strike from any distance which puts extreme fear into defenses, making other guys' jobs much easier (See W.Welker, Gafney, and believe it or not, also T.Brady). The two most explosive offenses over the past 10 years are this year's Patriots and the Vikings of a few years ago......the common thread is Moss.The Cowboys would be foolish not to take Felix Jones if he were available. Sure they have other needs, but adding a guy who is a potential difference-maker is always a valued commodity, especially when you're adding him to an already good team....and it often costs to get these guys, even a high pick
 
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You make a few good points here about Barber needing a sidekick due to his physical style. The Cowboys certainly have at least a couple of needs. And one of the biggest holes that I saw from watching that playoff game vs. the Giants is.......The SCOREBOARD.....in tallying only 17 pts.They lack an explosive playmaker who can turn some of those gaping holes that Barber and Julius Jones routinely get into 70 and 80 yard runs, which mean points......Explosion is one of the key ingredients that separate great teams from good ones. Without a doubt, the difference that makes the Patriots a ridiculously good 18-0 as opposed to 14-4 and just another very good team ala G.B., Colts, Chargers, Cowboys, is the Randy Moss factor. He is able to strike from any distance which puts extreme fear into defenses, making other guys' jobs much easier (See W.Welker, Gafney, and believe it or not, also T.Brady). The two most explosive offenses over the past 10 years are this year's Patriots and the Vikings of a few years ago......the common thread is Moss.The Cowboys would be foolish not to take Felix Jones if he were available. Sure they have other needs, but adding a guy who is a potential difference-maker is always a valued commodity, especially when you're adding him to an already good team....and it often costs to get these guys, even a high pick
Fair enough, Krem. You make a strong argument with solid reasoning taking a fair consideration of the facts. I think what you've laid out is a definite possibility. I'm not sure its the highest probability regarding Dallas, but it is one of the more likely scenarios. I think it all comes down to just how explosive the Cowboys feel Felix truly is. Is he materially moreso than they feel they can get a couple rounds later? Well, we'll find out in April. :goodposting:
 
Carolina doesn't take a QB in the first round and probably not in the first 4 rounds. Too many holes to fill. Delhomme is coming along in his rehab and Matt Moore was efficient when given the reins. Carolina also has Brett Basanez who they like. Take into consideration as well that Fox will be on the hot seat after two 7-9 seasons. He can't afford to make a first round pick that will be sitting on the bench not making an impact. If Carolina doesn't trade down, they'll hope that Kenny Phillips falls to them or take an OT (both their RT and LT are free agents and most likely only one will be resigned). Carolina may look for another low round QB or possibly pick up a veteran free agent.

 
Carolina doesn't take a QB in the first round and probably not in the first 4 rounds. Too many holes to fill. Delhomme is coming along in his rehab and Matt Moore was efficient when given the reins. Carolina also has Brett Basanez who they like. Take into consideration as well that Fox will be on the hot seat after two 7-9 seasons. He can't afford to make a first round pick that will be sitting on the bench not making an impact. If Carolina doesn't trade down, they'll hope that Kenny Phillips falls to them or take an OT (both their RT and LT are free agents and most likely only one will be resigned). Carolina may look for another low round QB or possibly pick up a veteran free agent.
Well said and IMO, very accurate. :confused:
 
1. Miami Dolphins Chris Long DE 6’4” 280 VirginiaChris Long is one of the surest things in this year’s draft. Bringing a non-stop motor and top pedigree (Howie Long’s son), he is an ideal fit in the new 3-4 scheme that will be implemented by the Dolphins which is the determining factor for why he gets the nod over Dorsey, who is more suited for a 4-3. But make no mistake, Long is a Parcells type of player and will be a fixture on the defense for the next decade Compares favorably to his father, of course, but also more recent guys like A.Kampman, J.Anderson, and A.Carriker.
280 is a little light for a 3-4 DE. I think he can get the job done but Glenn Dorsey would be a beast at 3-4 DE.
Yes, 280 may not be ideal but it is good enough if you have the other intangibles. The overriding factor is that this guy just knows how to play football and will be able to outwork the 300+ lb o-linemen that go up against him. Howie Long did very well in both the 3-4 or 4-3, so to great football players, it doesn't matter what scheme you put them in. Not saying the newbie Long is already great, but he has the motor, instincts, and tenacity to become at least very good.
I agree, but I think it's way to risky to take an undersized 3-4 DE with the #1 overall pick. It's a position that 3-4 teams can afford to draft later and still get a good player. The only 1st round 3-4 DE picks I can think of are Ty Warren (mid 1st) and Luis Castillo (late 1st).
 
30. San Francisco 49’ers Devin Thomas WR 6’2” 215 Michigan St.

It’s no surprise that the team with probably the worst WR unit in the league selects a WR. What may come as a surprise is which WR they select. Thomas is a late-blossoming, but extremely talented, WR who is rising fast up draft boards. Thomas displays strong, sure hands and is also sneaky fast. If paired with a true #1, he can step in and produce rather well as a #2 and eventually could develop into a #1 WR in the NFL.
By sure hands, they must mean "Sure, the ball's going to bounce off of them."Thomas has good size and speed, gets open all the time and excels at running after the catch, but hands are a weakness at this point. Shocked to see him listed as a first-round pick.

 
1. Miami Dolphins Chris Long DE 6’4” 280 VirginiaChris Long is one of the surest things in this year’s draft. Bringing a non-stop motor and top pedigree (Howie Long’s son), he is an ideal fit in the new 3-4 scheme that will be implemented by the Dolphins which is the determining factor for why he gets the nod over Dorsey, who is more suited for a 4-3. But make no mistake, Long is a Parcells type of player and will be a fixture on the defense for the next decade Compares favorably to his father, of course, but also more recent guys like A.Kampman, J.Anderson, and A.Carriker.
280 is a little light for a 3-4 DE. I think he can get the job done but Glenn Dorsey would be a beast at 3-4 DE.
Yes, 280 may not be ideal but it is good enough if you have the other intangibles. The overriding factor is that this guy just knows how to play football and will be able to outwork the 300+ lb o-linemen that go up against him. Howie Long did very well in both the 3-4 or 4-3, so to great football players, it doesn't matter what scheme you put them in. Not saying the newbie Long is already great, but he has the motor, instincts, and tenacity to become at least very good.
I agree, but I think it's way to risky to take an undersized 3-4 DE with the #1 overall pick. It's a position that 3-4 teams can afford to draft later and still get a good player. The only 1st round 3-4 DE picks I can think of are Ty Warren (mid 1st) and Luis Castillo (late 1st).
You guys realize Chris Long will likely put on 15-20 lbs of muscle after going to the NFL right? Almost every college lineman on both sides of the ball does so.
 
Carolina doesn't take a QB in the first round and probably not in the first 4 rounds. Too many holes to fill. Delhomme is coming along in his rehab and Matt Moore was efficient when given the reins. Carolina also has Brett Basanez who they like. Take into consideration as well that Fox will be on the hot seat after two 7-9 seasons. He can't afford to make a first round pick that will be sitting on the bench not making an impact. If Carolina doesn't trade down, they'll hope that Kenny Phillips falls to them or take an OT (both their RT and LT are free agents and most likely only one will be resigned). Carolina may look for another low round QB or possibly pick up a veteran free agent.
I agree too, but could also look at DE with the loss of Rucker.
 
Carolina doesn't take a QB in the first round and probably not in the first 4 rounds. Too many holes to fill. Delhomme is coming along in his rehab and Matt Moore was efficient when given the reins. Carolina also has Brett Basanez who they like. Take into consideration as well that Fox will be on the hot seat after two 7-9 seasons. He can't afford to make a first round pick that will be sitting on the bench not making an impact. If Carolina doesn't trade down, they'll hope that Kenny Phillips falls to them or take an OT (both their RT and LT are free agents and most likely only one will be resigned). Carolina may look for another low round QB or possibly pick up a veteran free agent.
I agree too, but could also look at DE with the loss of Rucker.
Very possible, but I think they'll take a look at what Charles Johnson (3rd round pick) and Stanley McClover can do as Ruckers replacement. Still wouldn't stop them from drafting Campbell or Ghoulston if they are there as we still aren't sure if Peppers is going to return to form (Was it the mono that put him down last year or has the fire left?). There is talk that Pep wants 60M (warning - this is information from someone who claims to know a Panther, however his information has been good so far so take it with a grain of salt) to resign and I'm not sure Carolina wants to pay that if he can't perform as he did in the past. They may also take a look at DE in free agency (Justin Smith and Jared Allen).
 
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