chocolate bomber
Footballguy
Did Bennett's value just skyrocket, or will the Vince show begin earlier than I'd like? Praying for '04-like production from Drew.
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Drew Bennett + Volek (1 Viewer)
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
The phone may already be ringing to Kerry Collins, so this may be a bit premature. I am a Volek owner, and I have my doubts as to how likely he will be the starter this year. He may get the nod but probably will give way to Young later in the season even if they don't sign Collins.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
Bennett + Volek + Mason drawing attention = FF pts but I'm not sure if the current situation would result in the same production.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Personally I think Derrick Mason & Todd Heap values are the one's moving up.
In Tennesse there has been Kerry Collins, Billy Volek & Vince Young talk to start.
In Tennesse there has been Kerry Collins, Billy Volek & Vince Young talk to start.
diesel7982
Footballguy
If you would search, youd find at least 10+ topics on this.
The answer Ive repeatedly given, is that Volek starting this year will be WORSE for Bennett than McNair coming back.
The answer Ive repeatedly given, is that Volek starting this year will be WORSE for Bennett than McNair coming back.
Basically all the receiving threats in Baltimore.
If I owned Volek I would be shopping him, stat. This is as high as his value will ever get. Even if he begins the season as the starter, signs point to Young taking over later in the year.
I can't see the Titans signing Collins. Why would they? Do they thing that they will be contenders this year, and that Collins will give them a better chance to get there? IMO Oakland had a better set of receivers than Tennessee, and Collins couldn't do much there. Will he give Ten a significant impact over Volek? And if the plan is to throw Young in the fire this year further reduces the incentive to add another QB.
I just don't get it (and have Collins on my dynasty roster).
I just don't get it (and have Collins on my dynasty roster).
David Yudkin
Footballguy
They need a veteran to help bring along Young. From their actions, the Titans do not appear to have confidence in Volek starting for very long (if at all). IMO, they see him as a career backup. Collins would keep them in games and could draw upon his years of experience to mentor Vince. What could Volek share with Young that Volek isn't experiencing for mostly the first time?
diesel7982
Footballguy
houndirish
Footballguy
Agreed. Out of curiosity, what do you guys feel Volek's trade value is in an IDP Dynasty format?
Oh I would put him around 200 or so overall. Roughly the value of a 2007 3rd (maybe a 2nd for a team desperate for a starting QB), an equivalent offensive prospect, or a solid (top 25-40) LB, (top 15-30) DB or DL.
on the good posting smilie.I agree about trading him stat, but the time to trade Volek was BEFORE the Titans drafted Vince Young, not since. His value (if any) has gone straight down the crapper.
Couple of variables to consider here:1) Possible signing of Collins
2) The possibility of Young taking over in 06 becoming clearer.
If either of those things happen, it'll be a lot harder to find a buyer for Volek than it is right now.
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Bud Adams was quoted on ESPN that he wants Young to be ready to start the Dec. 10 game (week 14) in Houston.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
Let's not forget that this discussion is about Drew Bennett. Volek loves this guy.
Granted, there was a game matched up against Champ Bailey, but what receiver wins that matchup right?
Everyone remembers this run. Bennett gets a HUGE jump for the time BV throws him the ball.
Granted, there was a game matched up against Champ Bailey, but what receiver wins that matchup right?
Everyone remembers this run. Bennett gets a HUGE jump for the time BV throws him the ball.
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2004 Targets Recepts Yards TDs Fantasy PointsWk 10 11 6 148 1 26.8Wk 13 6 3 124 3 33.4Wk 14 17 12 233 3 53.3Wk 15 17 13 160 2 41.0Wk 16 6 2 26 0 4.6Wk 17 5 2 50 1 13.0diesel7982
Footballguy
Everyone should also remember TEN was playing a vastly different style of offense then than they will this year.Im assuming of course, that the Titans won't be missing all 3 of their starting RBs and 8 of their 11 starters on defense of course.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
Good point on the offensive side of things, but for this time span listed, Chris Brown and Derrick Mason were healthy. They had their fair share of balls too. Volek just likes this guy.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Brown wasnt healthy over that time period.Bennett was the primary WR because he was the only WR who could catch the one pass Volek can throw, which is the deep bomb.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
Not to disagree, but for 3 of the 4 big weeks listed (Weeks 10, 13 and 14) Brown had 20, 19 and 15 carries respectively.
Great, he catches the deep ball. I'm sure he'll play the same role with Givens as the possession guy moving the chains.
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Buttmonkey
Footballguy
Bennett - 70 Catches, 8 TDs
videoguy505
Footballguy
D. Mason a bit higher now?
nygiants56
Footballguy
Drew Bennett just sprained a wrist putting butter on his toast...
seriously, isn't this guy WAY to risky to draft in FF? he's a walking cadaver, all he does is get injured..I can understand people drafting Robert Smith , the dude had blazing speed and tons of talent, so much talent that it eased the pain of knowing he could get hurt at any time..but Bennett is a nobody who's best friend is the Titans team doctor..he had a flash-in-the-pan career season in 2004..I'm not rolling the dice with a guy like that! Give me Derrick Mason now that McNair has signed in Baltimore..at least I can count on Mason for 80+ catches , year in and year out , with McNair around..heck, he could probably do that blindfolded..
seriously, isn't this guy WAY to risky to draft in FF? he's a walking cadaver, all he does is get injured..I can understand people drafting Robert Smith , the dude had blazing speed and tons of talent, so much talent that it eased the pain of knowing he could get hurt at any time..but Bennett is a nobody who's best friend is the Titans team doctor..he had a flash-in-the-pan career season in 2004..I'm not rolling the dice with a guy like that! Give me Derrick Mason now that McNair has signed in Baltimore..at least I can count on Mason for 80+ catches , year in and year out , with McNair around..heck, he could probably do that blindfolded..
diesel7982
Footballguy
Not many backup QBs, and not with the EXACT same arguments about whether Volek will be good/bad for Bennett.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Brown also got most of those carries in half of the game, because he was playing with a painful turf toe injury that kept him from being able to play more than 2 quarters. Volek won't be unleashing the bomb nearly as much this year. Its not really part of Chow's offense, and the Titans play conservatively under Fisher unless forced to do otherwise (as they were in 2004).
Bennett, if he plays 16 games, looks likely for 60/800/6 with Volek, should he hold off Young.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Jets defense is very good, it was their offense that was a disater last season.
Slinger
Footballguy
I know you're Member # 484 and that's a big deal and all, but, uh, take a chill pill. You can do a search on just about any player and you'll find the same sort of comments and view points on each of those threads. But again, don't take this as disrespect because you are Member # 484.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Man I miss the days when FFTODAY was still around.
bigreese82
Footballguy
Volek won't be unleashing the bomb nearly as much this year. Its not really part of Chow's offense, and the Titans play conservatively under Fisher unless forced to do otherwise (as they were in 2004).
Bennett, if he plays 16 games, looks likely for 60/800/6 with Volek, should he hold of Young.
That's the part I'm not sure about...It has been widely reported that they want the WRs more involved and will be leaving the TEs in more to block for the run game and protection...I think this is bad for Kinney. I haven't really decided whether Fisher Ball is back or will we see the True Norm Chow offense that gets the ball to the wrs and rbs and exploits mismatches. I do think the TEs were the strength of the team last year but this year with the addition of Givens, the added experience of the rookie wrs, and Volek's propensity to love the deap ball...You might see a love affair with Bennett and the bomb rekindled
I don't see Bennett with over 60 receptions but wouldn't be surprised to see his TD numbers around 8-10 and averaging about 16.5 per reception
Bennett, if he plays 16 games, looks likely for 60/800/6 with Volek, should he hold of Young.
That's the part I'm not sure about...It has been widely reported that they want the WRs more involved and will be leaving the TEs in more to block for the run game and protection...I think this is bad for Kinney. I haven't really decided whether Fisher Ball is back or will we see the True Norm Chow offense that gets the ball to the wrs and rbs and exploits mismatches. I do think the TEs were the strength of the team last year but this year with the addition of Givens, the added experience of the rookie wrs, and Volek's propensity to love the deap ball...You might see a love affair with Bennett and the bomb rekindled
I don't see Bennett with over 60 receptions but wouldn't be surprised to see his TD numbers around 8-10 and averaging about 16.5 per reception
diesel7982
Footballguy
Volek won't be unleashing the bomb nearly as much this year. Its not really part of Chow's offense, and the Titans play conservatively under Fisher unless forced to do otherwise (as they were in 2004).
Bennett, if he plays 16 games, looks likely for 60/800/6 with Volek, should he hold of Young.
That's the part I'm not sure about...It has been widely reported that they want the WRs more involved and will be leaving the TEs in more to block for the run game and protection...I think this is bad for Kinney. I haven't really decided whether Fisher Ball is back or will we see the True Norm Chow offense that gets the ball to the wrs and rbs and exploits mismatches. I do think the TEs were the strength of the team last year but this year with the addition of Givens, the added experience of the rookie wrs, and Volek's propensity to love the deap ball...You might see a love affair with Bennett and the bomb rekindled
I don't see Bennett with over 60 receptions but wouldn't be surprised to see his TD numbers around 8-10 and averaging about 16.5 per reception
It'll be interesting to see for sure.
I just don't look forward to watching Volek do the "1-step drop and gun it at the closest guy wearing blue" over and over this year.
Bennett, if he plays 16 games, looks likely for 60/800/6 with Volek, should he hold of Young.
That's the part I'm not sure about...It has been widely reported that they want the WRs more involved and will be leaving the TEs in more to block for the run game and protection...I think this is bad for Kinney. I haven't really decided whether Fisher Ball is back or will we see the True Norm Chow offense that gets the ball to the wrs and rbs and exploits mismatches. I do think the TEs were the strength of the team last year but this year with the addition of Givens, the added experience of the rookie wrs, and Volek's propensity to love the deap ball...You might see a love affair with Bennett and the bomb rekindled
I don't see Bennett with over 60 receptions but wouldn't be surprised to see his TD numbers around 8-10 and averaging about 16.5 per reception
It'll be interesting to see for sure.
I just don't look forward to watching Volek do the "1-step drop and gun it at the closest guy wearing blue" over and over this year.
Secret Agent Money Moves
Footballguy
thanks for the chuckle slinger. sometimes these old guys think they are the message board police. i guess they still miss being the hall monitor in grade school, or the TA for the english teacher. ....my bad, new catch phrase of the week......disregard the post gentlemen......its just FLUFF
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bigreese82
Footballguy
That's the part I'm not sure about...It has been widely reported that they want the WRs more involved and will be leaving the TEs in more to block for the run game and protection...I think this is bad for Kinney. I haven't really decided whether Fisher Ball is back or will we see the True Norm Chow offense that gets the ball to the wrs and rbs and exploits mismatches. I do think the TEs were the strength of the team last year but this year with the addition of Givens, the added experience of the rookie wrs, and Volek's propensity to love the deap ball...You might see a love affair with Bennett and the bomb rekindled
I don't see Bennett with over 60 receptions but wouldn't be surprised to see his TD numbers around 8-10 and averaging about 16.5 per reception
It'll be interesting to see for sure.
I just don't look forward to watching Volek do the "1-step drop and gun it at the closest guy wearing blue" over and over this year.
I don't think Volek has it in him...going back to his college days...he's a gunslinger...always has been... always will be. He is also auditioning for a job next year...he will definitely take his shots. He might get benched taking his shots...but he will take them
diesel7982
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see for sure.
I just don't look forward to watching Volek do the "1-step drop and gun it at the closest guy wearing blue" over and over this year.
I don't think Volek has it in him...going back to his college days...he's a gunslinger...always has been... always will be. He is also auditioning for a job next year...he will definitely take his shots. He might get benched taking his shots...but he will take them
Did you see him play in 2004? The SD game? Chicago? Denver? Detroit? Minnesota? Indy?
Volek throws two passes. 40 yard bombs and 1 yard outs. And once he gets hit, its almost all of the latter.
houndirish
Footballguy
OK ... let's keep playing this game. What do you guys feel McNair's trade value is now?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
here is the problem with Bennett & Volek.
Most people remember getting smashed by them in '04 fantasy playoffs.
that's how threads like this get started.
I think that was more of a 3 week abberation than anything.
Most people remember getting smashed by them in '04 fantasy playoffs.
that's how threads like this get started.
I think that was more of a 3 week abberation than anything.
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diesel7982
Footballguy
But no one is going to listen. Believe me.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
in weeks 13,14,15 of the 04 season drew had 8 TD's and 500 yards.40% of his yardage production and 70% of his TD production for the whole season
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He's got value, but it's not skyrocketing like the thread said. IMO. I was just showing how an awesome 3 week performance at a time when everyone is paying big attention, the ffl playoffs, can skew people's opinons.No one's moving him to top 20, but I think he represents good value and I think history suggests that he has a good rapport with Volek. No reason to be a pillowbiter about it. My dynastry PPR league starts three WRs and if a guy like this breaks the top 25 he could be a real difference maker. Especially if everyone else is "too smart" to touch him.in weeks 13,14,15 of the 04 season drew had 8 TD's and 500 yards.40% of his yardage production and 70% of his TD production for the whole season
Take it easy.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Heres hoping Chocolate Bomber got banned after that last remark.
chocolate bomber
Footballguy
I thought it would be obvious that I was being a wiseguy. I apologize to all in this thread. I agree that that three-week run was a wild ride. I think he's good for 80/1000/6 for a few reasons:1. I think he is THAT GOOD and I don't think he's going to have a lot of WR competition for catches this season. In PPR, catchable targets are gold and Volek has already shown a willingness to get it to him.He's got value, but it's not skyrocketing like the thread said. IMO. I was just showing how an awesome 3 week performance at a time when everyone is paying big attention, the ffl playoffs, can skew people's opinons.No one's moving him to top 20, but I think he represents good value and I think history suggests that he has a good rapport with Volek. My dynastry PPR league starts three WRs and if a guy like this breaks the top 25 he could be a real difference maker. Especially if everyone else is "too smart" to touch him.in weeks 13,14,15 of the 04 season drew had 8 TD's and 500 yards.40% of his yardage production and 70% of his TD production for the whole season
Take it easy.
2. In 2005, he played in 13 games and started 10. I don't project injuries, so if you grade that out to 16 games this season, you get: 71/907/5. I'm only using this method of projection, as I think we can all agree that last season could hardly be considered best-case scenario for drew. I believe that working with Volek from the get-go could move him to my projected numbers. Is it really that much of a stretch?
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David Yudkin
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