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Drew Bledsoe a HOFer? (1 Viewer)
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Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I doubt it, and I don't think he should. Either way the hall is irrelevant.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=278397
There's a five page topic discussing this very issue. Not much has changed since then.
There's a five page topic discussing this very issue. Not much has changed since then.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
LOL.... Tom Brady took over for Bledsuck, and won the Super Bowl.
Romo took over for him and led the Cowboys to the playoffs.
Bledsoe was simply the tallest midget in the NFL at QB for a number of years.
If he makes it, how can Ben Coates not make it?
Romo took over for him and led the Cowboys to the playoffs.
Bledsoe was simply the tallest midget in the NFL at QB for a number of years.
If he makes it, how can Ben Coates not make it?
Coates should be in IMO but I don't expect you to understand when's the last time your team had a good TE? 30 years ago?If he makes it, how can Ben Coates not make it?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I don't think he was elite for 9 years, a couple sure, but nine?. one sechttp://www.profootballreference.com/players/WattRi00.htm
95 and 96 stand out a little more for me, otherwise pretty much 7th thru 10th
http://www.profootballreference.com/players/BledDr00.htm
Drew seems to (general guess without counting)have a similar amount of 7 thru 10s with some high ones mixed in.
Didn't do much analyzation here, would Rob Moore be better for ya here Chase?
KoolKat
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
No.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Watters was a very good RB each of those 9 years. Perhaps "elite" is a bit confusing; I'm using it to mean very good and a big help to your team. Watters made all of his teams a lot better. I don't feel the same way about Bledsoe.Bledsoe threw a ton of passes. That's it. He's 5th all time in pass attempts. That makes his total yards and TD numbers look very good. Nothing else about him was that good, though.
Tau837
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
prymetyme25
Footballguy
I dont know about the Hall of Famous. But I will say this I always thought he was one of the smarter Qb in the league and should be on someones coaching staff before the season is out. I wouldnt have minded if he came to Houston to hold a clipboard for a year before he retired. Think he could be a great teacher.
JMO
JMO
nerangers
Footballguy
Drew had a good career...and I think he was above average for most of it. His name might get thrown around, but not make it in. He did QB a Super Bowl, and won the AFC Championship game that allowed the Patriots to advance to their first Winning Super Bowl.
Seasons among the league's top 10
Pass attempts: 1994-1, 1995-1, 1996-1, 1997-3, 1998-8, 1999-3, 2000-8, 2002-2, 2005-8
Completions: 1994-1, 1995-7, 1996-1, 1997-2, 1998-8, 1999-6, 2000-8, 2002-3, 2005-8
Passing yards: 1994-1, 1996-3, 1997-4, 1998-6, 1999-6, 2002-2, 2005-8
Passing TDs: 1993-10t, 1994-4, 1996-3, 1997-3, 1999-10t, 2002-7, 2005-8t
Adjusted yards per pass: 1997-8, 1998-10, 2002-9
Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 5
Completions: 5
Passing yards: 7
Passing TDs: 13
4-time Pro Bowler: 1994, 1996, 1997, 2002
Seasons among the league's top 10
Pass attempts: 1994-1, 1995-1, 1996-1, 1997-3, 1998-8, 1999-3, 2000-8, 2002-2, 2005-8
Completions: 1994-1, 1995-7, 1996-1, 1997-2, 1998-8, 1999-6, 2000-8, 2002-3, 2005-8
Passing yards: 1994-1, 1996-3, 1997-4, 1998-6, 1999-6, 2002-2, 2005-8
Passing TDs: 1993-10t, 1994-4, 1996-3, 1997-3, 1999-10t, 2002-7, 2005-8t
Adjusted yards per pass: 1997-8, 1998-10, 2002-9
Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 5
Completions: 5
Passing yards: 7
Passing TDs: 13
4-time Pro Bowler: 1994, 1996, 1997, 2002
I'm not following ya here. That's his job as a QB, how is that a negative?
Tau837
Footballguy
His point is that he simply compiled high totals without excelling in doing so. Come on, you understand. Look at QB rating, ypa, TD to interception ratio, etc. Look at All Pro selections, Pro Bowls, other awards. He fares very poorly (in terms of HOF worthiness) in any measure that eliminates the advantage of having thrown more passes than almost anyone.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Put him in the "Hall of At Least He was Better than Rick Mirer". That should be enough for him.
see nerangers post above(from PFR)I really don't get it. Understand I said no to the HOF at first and compared him to Ricky in saying he had alot of stats and asked if Rob Moore would be a better comparison for him and this is the reply Chase gave. We're not debating whether he's HOF worthy.I still don't see 9 elite years for Ricky. He mentioned very good after but see nerangers post, Bledsoe and he probably have a similar number of 7s thru 10s in Doug's top ten season list.Jets homerism? I'm lost here
Tau837
Footballguy
You lost me.
It's not that hard. This is a thread about whether or not Bledsoe is a HOFer. The answer is no. The quoted post by Chase says why, and I attempted to elaborate on it.As for the Ricky Watters comparison, I agree with Chase. Watters is on the HOF bubble. I don't think he'll ever make it, but he is just below the threshold. I don't think Bledsoe is particularly close. I didn't follow your Rob Moore question... I guess if you're asking is Bledsoe closer to Moore than Watters, my answer would be yes. 
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I think the big difference here is that a RB's fantasy rank is a much better approximation of how good he is than a QB's fantasy rank. Six times Bledsoe ranked in the top 10, but in two of those years he had a bad yards per attempt ratio, a bad completion percentage, and more INTs than TDs. When a RB ranks in the top 10, chances are he had a very good year in real life too, unless he either got a ton of TDs and/or carries and had a bad YPC average. That just doesn't happen as often.
1996 is a good example of Bledsoe's raw numbers obscuring his real ability. He had over 4,000 passing yards and 27 TDs and only 15 INTs. That sounds like excellent numbers. But he ranked 1st in pass attempts, 3rd in passing yards and 3rd in TDs. That's your first red flag. He averaged 5.91 adjusted yards per attempt; the league average was 5.54. That's not a trivial difference, but it's not significant, either.
In actual yards per attempt, Bledsoe ranked below the league average. When a QB averages less yards per pass than the average of all QBs in the league, it's hard for him to have a great year, especially when he adds no value with his legs.
Was 1996 a "bad" year? Of course not. Was it a good year? Probably. But was he really the 4th best QB in 1996, like his fantasy ranking suggests? Almost certainly not. But it seems reasonable to suggest that the league average QB would have been as helpful to the 1996 Patriots as Bledsoe was.
The 1996 Patriots had a Pro Bowl RB, Pro Bowl TE, an excellent year out of Terry Glenn, Bill Parcells, Charlie Weis and Bill Belichick. The defense ranked 3rd in yards per carry allowed and averaged 5.35 adjusted yards per pass allowed (which of course was better than the average 5.54, but I don't know where it ranked). The 1996 Patriots went 11-5, and played an easier than average schedule.
Sure, it's easy to be blinded by the big numbers. Bledsoe "ranked top 3 in passing yards and passing TDs." And I'm not saying Bledsoe was bad that year, but just consider that he averaged only slightly more adjusted yards per pass than league average, playing on an incredibly well coached team that had an easy schedule, had a very good defense behind him and had three star playmakers on offense. And his team went 11-5. I think an average QB could have led that Patriots team to 10 or 11 wins.
1996 is a good example of Bledsoe's raw numbers obscuring his real ability. He had over 4,000 passing yards and 27 TDs and only 15 INTs. That sounds like excellent numbers. But he ranked 1st in pass attempts, 3rd in passing yards and 3rd in TDs. That's your first red flag. He averaged 5.91 adjusted yards per attempt; the league average was 5.54. That's not a trivial difference, but it's not significant, either.
In actual yards per attempt, Bledsoe ranked below the league average. When a QB averages less yards per pass than the average of all QBs in the league, it's hard for him to have a great year, especially when he adds no value with his legs.
Was 1996 a "bad" year? Of course not. Was it a good year? Probably. But was he really the 4th best QB in 1996, like his fantasy ranking suggests? Almost certainly not. But it seems reasonable to suggest that the league average QB would have been as helpful to the 1996 Patriots as Bledsoe was.
The 1996 Patriots had a Pro Bowl RB, Pro Bowl TE, an excellent year out of Terry Glenn, Bill Parcells, Charlie Weis and Bill Belichick. The defense ranked 3rd in yards per carry allowed and averaged 5.35 adjusted yards per pass allowed (which of course was better than the average 5.54, but I don't know where it ranked). The 1996 Patriots went 11-5, and played an easier than average schedule.
Sure, it's easy to be blinded by the big numbers. Bledsoe "ranked top 3 in passing yards and passing TDs." And I'm not saying Bledsoe was bad that year, but just consider that he averaged only slightly more adjusted yards per pass than league average, playing on an incredibly well coached team that had an easy schedule, had a very good defense behind him and had three star playmakers on offense. And his team went 11-5. I think an average QB could have led that Patriots team to 10 or 11 wins.
Guzalot
Footballguy
Thanks for the insight, I'll never take anything you post seriously again.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
For who? For what?
