I know it's Dan Pompei and all but he's actually reporting news not speculating that Henson is working out. If the Texans aren't able to trade Henson to a team he wants to play for and he enters the NFL draft would he be a first round pick? I believe he would be a first rounder. He as all the skills and sent this years best QB to the bench when he was only a freshman at UofM. He's gonna be a stud in the NFL. If he drops to Parcells, he'll scoop him up in a heartbeat. Dan Pompei / Sporting NewsPosted: 1 hour ago Interest in Drew Henson is picking up, as the word out of Bradenton, Fla., is that Henson looks like a highly skilled quarterback and a tremendous athlete.Henson is working out at the IMG complex with former quarterbacks coach Larry Kennan in an attempt to get back in football shape and show interested NFL teams what kind of ability he has. The Texans own his rights after selecting Henson in the sixth round of the 2003 draft and are interested in trading him. The asking price is believed to be a future second-round pick. If Houston doesn't trade or sign Henson, he will be available in the April draft, and it is expected he would be a late first-round selection. Henson, who last played football at Michigan in 2000, has been playing third base in the Yankees' farm system. ...
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I'm not sure Parcells would pick him up and I'll tell you a few reasons:- The Cowboys are ready to win now. If they arn't going with QC then they'll bring in a crafty vet. - The Cowboys need to address RB first and foremost. Whether they do this through fa/trade/draft is yet to be known but if they don't take a RB in free agency I bet they take one early in the draft. Maybe even trade up if JJ or Parcells sees something they like. - The team already has 3 young QB's. I'm not sure they can afford to burn a first on another one.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I think he could well be a first rounder. However, I don't see Parcells scooping him up.Why?Henson is going to have some rust. Even if he does very very well, It will be difficult for him to start before mid 2004 (and that would require that the cowboys are losing and out of the playoff hunt). 2005 is more likely. Then, Parcells is faced with the situation where he has a first year started in the playoffs.I see Parcells strictly as a short timer in Dallas. I don't see him going there. On the other hand, I could see him going to Miami, St. Louis or Green Bay. I could also see whoever of SD, Oakland and Arizona that doesn't go QB grabbing him at the top of rd. 2 if he slipped there.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
I don't think Henson's a first rounder, because any team that would use a first on him knows a 2nd (more likely a 3rd or even a 4th) would get him from the Texans.Why risk that (a) he won't be there when you pick and (b) it will cost you a 1st rounder - when you could have him signed seeled and delivered prior to draft day.HERD
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Great points as usual, Herd.The Pinstripes didn't work out, but I'd love to see him in Giant Blue!
The Houston Stallions
Footballguy
Another thing is teams won't get to see him work out unless the Texans let him work out for teams in private. So what team would spend a 1st on a guy that they can't interview or workout. They can't even give him a physical!!I think the Texans will end up either trading him before the draft or he'll sign with the Texans and be Carr's back-up. I'm sure Houston will do something to keep Ragone from EVER getting back on the field.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Well they'd damned well better get busy then, as he has to be SIGNED and then traded, or traded and then SIGNED prior to the NFL Draft....... and keep in mind that the NFL team trading for him would have to BUY HIM OUT of his Yankees contract.That's a tall order to happen in 12 weeks time.I thing the struggles of Chad Hutchinson don't help Henson's cause either.And I never knew that Peyton Manning or Steve McNair played at Michigan. To say Tom Brady is 'the best QB in the NFL' is stretching facts in a MAJOR way....Who ya cr@ppin' bts4bkfst????
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Nasty Nor'Easter
Footballguy
I've got a question... granted this totally hypothetical, but curious nonetheless. If Drew is not traded to another team prior to this upcoming draft, and then goes undrafted - does Houston still retain his rights or is he available as an Unrestricted FA?
Bluesbomber
Footballguy
Well I guess Trent Dilfer is also a certifiable stud then. Or is this just "kooky talk"
I remember a pretty good QB named Elway who didn't get his rings till the end of his career.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
This is a little oversimplification.Not any team gets Henson this way- only a team that Henson really wants to play for. Then as Grid mentioned, a deal must be done before the draft that both:A) Henson finds agreeableB)Works with the Texans salary cap.He is going to want considerably more than 6th round pick money.THe potential hold-up I see is that this contract will have to be very crative to accomodate all sides. The clock is ticking.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Elways was essentially seen as a mobile Jim Kelly until he won it all. All of the flowery reverence that is here today simply didn't exist in the mid nineties. He was the guy that couldn't win the big one.At that point, there was no Elway/Marino debate, no Elway/Farve debate even= he wasn't considered in their class.I remember a pretty good QB named Elway who didn't get his rings till the end of his career.
I knew as soon as I hit the "add reply" button that some yahoo would bring up Trent Dilfer. Tom Brady has been to 2 Sub Par Bowls in the last 3 seasons. Has any other QB done that?? NO! He's the guy who is doing his job better than anybody else right now. Namely, QB'ing and LEADING his team to Sub Par bowls. Am I wrong? Isn't that what you get QB's for? Don't most teams when they draft or acquire a QB say; "We believe he can get us to the super bowl." ??Well I guess Trent Dilfer is also a certifiable stud then. Or is this just "kooky talk"
I remember a pretty good QB named Elway who didn't get his rings till the end of his career.
I think running back is a really important position in football. Using the same logic, Antowain Smith must be the top rb in the NFL. Won one Super Bowl and in another 2 years later.I knew as soon as I hit the "add reply" button that some yahoo would bring up Trent Dilfer. Tom Brady has been to 2 Sub Par Bowls in the last 3 seasons. Has any other QB done that?? NO! He's the guy who is doing his job better than anybody else right now. Namely, QB'ing and LEADING his team to Sub Par bowls. Am I wrong? Isn't that what you get QB's for? Don't most teams when they draft or acquire a QB say; "We believe he can get us to the super bowl." ??Well I guess Trent Dilfer is also a certifiable stud then. Or is this just "kooky talk"
I remember a pretty good QB named Elway who didn't get his rings till the end of his career.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
You might think this- but they aren't paid like quarterbacks...or cornerbacks...or defensive ends...How many rbs have been top 5 picks over the last 10 years?How many QB's?
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pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
WOW. I always thought football was a team sport. Lo and behold, the whole game rests on the shoulders of only one player! This explains why Delhomme is in the Big Show! I wonder how many Super Bowls Marino would have won with NE's defense behind him? FRIGHTENING!I knew as soon as I hit the "add reply" button that some yahoo would bring up Trent Dilfer. Tom Brady has been to 2 Sub Par Bowls in the last 3 seasons. Has any other QB done that?? NO! He's the guy who is doing his job better than anybody else right now. Namely, QB'ing and LEADING his team to Sub Par bowls. Am I wrong? Isn't that what you get QB's for? Don't most teams when they draft or acquire a QB say; "We believe he can get us to the super bowl." ??Well I guess Trent Dilfer is also a certifiable stud then. Or is this just "kooky talk"
I remember a pretty good QB named Elway who didn't get his rings till the end of his career.
what does any of this have to do with Drew Henson? 
He's a much better prospect than Chad Hutchinson ever was so I don't buy that comparison.Every year for the past few years reports have been that Henson would have been the #1 pick overall or at least the #1 QB. That means scouts have had him rated higher than Carr, Harrington, Palmer, Leftwich, E.Manning, or Roethlisberger.IF he has that kind of talent, he's most certainly worth a future 2nd round pick to a team with an aging and/or declining veteran QB in place (i.e., Bills, Steelers, Giants, Packers, Dolphins, Raiders, Browns). I'm surprised there hasn't been more movement on him yet given all the teams that could use him.As a Bills fan, I think I'd rather take a chance on Henson than draft a JP Losman or Phillip Rivers in round 2.
He's a much better prospect than Chad Hutchinson ever was so I don't buy that comparison.Every year for the past few years reports have been that Henson would have been the #1 pick overall or at least the #1 QB. That means scouts have had him rated higher than Carr, Harrington, Palmer, Leftwich, E.Manning, or Roethlisberger.IF he has that kind of talent, he's most certainly worth a future 2nd round pick to a team with an aging and/or declining veteran QB in place (i.e., Bills, Steelers, Giants, Packers, Dolphins, Raiders, Browns). I'm surprised there hasn't been more movement on him yet given all the teams that could use him.As a Bills fan, I think I'd rather take a chance on Henson than draft a JP Losman or Phillip Rivers in round 2.
Parcells took that team to the playoffs with Carter. I don't think grabbing another QB to develop who has been out of the game will interest Parcells at this point. He already appears to have given up on Hutchinson, who has a pretty big contract from what I recall. I just don't think Dallas and Parcells will be patient enough to start all over with a rookie QB right now.I imagine the Cowboys and Dolphins will fight over Brunell. If the Cowboys miss out on him, then I'd expect them to go after another vet rather than an unproven and rusty rookie like Henson.
Let me see if I understand this logic correctly. The only criteria on how good a player is is based on whether they made it to the Super Bowl or not, regardless of how well they have performed.Let's look at the top 10 picks of some drafts:19991 Tim Couch Browns QB Kentucky - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick2 Donovan McNabb Eagles QB Syracuse - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick3 Akili Smith Bengals QB Oregon - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick4 Edgerrin James Colts RB Miami (FL) - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick5 Ricky Williams Saints RB Texas - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick6 Torry Holt Rams WR North Carolina State - 2 Super Bowls - good pick7 Champ Bailey Redskins DB Georgia - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick8 David Boston Cardinals WR Ohio State - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick9 Chris Claiborne Lions LB USC - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick10 Chris McAlister Ravens DB Arizona - 1 Super Bowl - good pick19981 Peyton Manning Colts QB Tennessee - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick2 Ryan Leaf Chargers QB Washington State - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick3 Andre Wadsworth Cardinals DE Florida State - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick4 Charles Woodson Raiders DB Michigan - 1 Super Bowl - good pick5 Curtis Enis Bears RB Penn State - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick6 Grant Wistrom Rams DE Nebraska - 2 Super Bowls - good pick7 Kyle Turley Saints OT San Diego State - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick8 Greg Ellis Cowboys DE North Carolina - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick9 Fred Taylor Jaguars RB Florida - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick10 Duane Starks Ravens DB Miami (FL) - 1 Super Bowl - good pick19971 Orlando Pace Rams OT Ohio State - 2 Super Bowls - good pick2 Darrell Russell Raiders DT USC - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick3 Shawn Springs Seahawks DB Ohio State - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick4 Peter Boulware Ravens DE Florida State - 1 Super Bowl - good pick5 Bryant Westbrook Lions DB Texas - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick6 Walter Jones Seahawks OT Florida State - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick7 Ike Hilliard Giants WR Florida - 1 Super Bowl - good pick8 James Farrior Jets LB Virginia - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick9 Tom Knight Cardinals DB Iowa - 0 Super Bowls - bad pick10 Chris Naeole Saints OG Colorado - 0 Super Bowls - bad pickIn these 30 picks, the only good ones are:WR Tory HoltCB Chris McAlisterCB Charles WoodsonCB Duane StarksDE Grant WinstromOT Orlando PaceLB Peter BoulwareWR Ike HillardSo the obvious concusions are: 1. In top 10 picks, CBs are most likely to lead you to the Super Bowl, followed by WR.2. Peyton Manning and Donvan McNabb rate out the same as Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith.I still think there is something wrong with this logic.
but he had a QB that he was very comfortable with at the time in Vinny Testaverde. He wasn't drafting Pennington to take over as a rookie.He took Bledsoe while with the Pats I believe, so yes he has not been afraid to go with a young QB. It would not be a complete shocker for me if they grabbed a QB in the draft, I just don't think one that has been playing baseball for the past couple years is going to be a great fit in Dallas.Then again, I never expected Quincy Carter to be a 2nd round pick or to take an NFL team to the playoffs so I could most definitely be wrong here.History generally shows that it takes a young QB at least a full year or two before he becomes a consistent starting QB. Parcells usually only lasts about 4 years with each team, so I think it would be unlikely for him to display the patience required to groom another young QB after just going through that experience with Carter and achieving some rather unexpected success. I think if the Cowboys add a stud RB and bring in Mark Brunell, they'll be in much better condition than if they were to bring in a rookie QB AND a rookie RB (or Duce Staley).
do you disagree with the contention that QB is the most important individual position in football?I can't understand anyone wanting to take away from what Tom Brady has done this year? 14 wins in a row with 0 INTs at home, a non-existent running game, an average offensive line, and a mediocre group of WRs is very impressive.While other QBs may play better and put up better stats, they also sometimes end up hurting their team and putting them in a position to lose. Other than the Bills game in week 1, Tom Brady has been consistent and clutch pretty much all year long. You don't finish #3 in MVP balloting if you're not one of the best in the league at your position.What is the problem here anyway?
I don't disagree that qb is a very important position. I also do not disagree that Brady is a very good qb, although not that flashy.What I do disagree with is that winning Super Bowls is the main or only criteria for grading a qb or any other player. Football is a team sport, probably more so than other big sports. So to argue that Brady (and then logically Brad Johnson) are the best qb in the NFL soley because they have recently won Super Bowls is ludricrous. Manning, McNabb, and McNair are also very good qbs and would certainly be considered by most to be near or at the top of the league.
New England was 0-2 with 2 very bad losses when Brady took over......Brady is that damn good.WOW. I always thought football was a team sport. Lo and behold, the whole game rests on the shoulders of only one player! This explains why Delhomme is in the Big Show! I wonder how many Super Bowls Marino would have won with NE's defense behind him? FRIGHTENING!I knew as soon as I hit the "add reply" button that some yahoo would bring up Trent Dilfer. Tom Brady has been to 2 Sub Par Bowls in the last 3 seasons. Has any other QB done that?? NO! He's the guy who is doing his job better than anybody else right now. Namely, QB'ing and LEADING his team to Sub Par bowls. Am I wrong? Isn't that what you get QB's for? Don't most teams when they draft or acquire a QB say; "We believe he can get us to the super bowl." ??Well I guess Trent Dilfer is also a certifiable stud then. Or is this just "kooky talk"
I remember a pretty good QB named Elway who didn't get his rings till the end of his career.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
The fact that Indianapolis's offense was TOTALLY dominated by the Patriots defense, and they STILL had a chance to tie that game in the 4th quarter is a clear indication to me that Tom Brady isn't a 'great quarterback'. Saying Brady is better than Manning is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The guy literally had TWO PERFECT performances in the playoffs, and he's the only QB in the history of the NFL to do MANY things, including having two perfect QB ratings in one season.bts4bkfst, you'd better check with your proctologist, you're having fecal backup, and it's getting close to your brain.I guess Jeff Hostetler is better than Dan Marino too then.... not to mention Trent Dilfer being better than Fran Tarkenton.
CP/AT YDS TD INT P. Manning 23/47 237 1 4
T. Brady 22/37 237 1 1
INDIANAPOLIS 0 0 7 7 14
NEW ENGLAND 7 8 6 3 24
Grid What part of this aren't you getting?? Perhaps you need to take some remedial reading comprehension classes . You use the quotations around 'great Quarterback' . Could you please point out the post that I used that in??
Fran Tarkenton and Dan Marino have won conference championships and at least have been able to lead their teams to the Super Bowl. What big game has Peyton Manning EVER won?? Tom Brady has done it twice the last 3 years.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Back on point .. I wonder if Green Bay will try to get Henson? They always take a QB in the draft, and they could give Henson a year or two to develop.
RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
I submit that if he went to Pittsburgh, he would start over Maddox this year... especially given the fact that they would both be starting from ground zero in what figures to be a different offense from what Mularkey favored.
Irish
Footballguy
The Steelers promoted from within to replace Mularkey as OC so I think the Steelers will run basically the same offense with a few tweaks and hopefully some different play calling than last yr. I am not ruling out Henson starting for the Steelers if they get him cause Maddox has regressed since he took that big hit against Tenn a couple of seasons ago, but Cowher thinks with a few changes the Steelers are right back into the playoffs and he might sit Henson for a year to learn. I know I know this is all wishful thinking.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
No you didn't. You little move of "I am going to beat you senseless with a great amount of partial information (because info from the past three drafts wouldn't suit me very well) but not insight." is cute though. Nice try.The logic was simply this:QB is vastly more important position than rb. You can use rbbc, and teams do all the time. Teams substitute different players in different situations all the time. However, the QB is a constant. The QB is the team's focal point on offense. That is why they are drafted first if a team thinks they have a chance at success: Palmer, Carr, Vick, Couch, Manning. 6 years, 6 QB's taken first- see the trend?
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Brady will never suck as much as Bradshaw did at the beginning of his career.Who on the NE offense will join Stallworth, Swann, and Harris in the HOF? Brown, Givens and Smith?
HellToupee
Footballguy
I certainly hope so! I'd rather he be the Terry Bradshaw of our time than the Roger Staubach or Fran Tarkenton.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
ROTFLMAO!!!You would never make it on the Debate Team champ.
Did Brady face the best defense in the NFL or the Colts defense.
Your logic is a friggin joke.
glumpy
breeze
Tough call in this case--it was the 'hidden' contention regarding Brady in bts' first post that set the hijack in motion.Why don't people have respect for the person who starts a thread and not HIJACK IT?if you're going to hijack a Henson thread by comparing him to Tom Brady, at least include John Navarre and Brian Griese in the discussion as well.thanks.
Back to the Drew Henson discussion...As I see it, the teams who could be looking for a QB to either start or as a guy to groom for the future include
ittsburghNY GiantsMiamiBuffaloDallasGreen BaySan Diego?Arizona?Oakland?Tampa Bay?I put Dallas pretty low down the list, as I'm not sure that they would be willing to take another chance on a young QB, after going through Carter, Hutchinson and Anthony Wright in the past 3 years. I included San Diego, Arizona and Oakland as they will be in prime position to take one of the top QB's in the draft, but it could be more beneficial for them to get Henson for a third (or whatever the current asking price is), and then trade their top pick for another first, + what they paid for Henson + probably something else as well. I'm not sure how likely that is, but its a possibility.I included Buffalo and Miami as they are both likely to take a QB in the first 3 rounds of the draft anyway, and Henson could be a better option at his price than the likes of Losman, or Rivers who would be avaliable when they are looking to make that pick.Of that list, I think Pittsburgh obviously makes the most sense, as they have a fairly immediate need at QB, but seeing as how Henson will likely need a little while to get back in to football shape, both physically and mentally, one of the other teams looking for a QB to groom would be a possibility.
ittsburghNY GiantsMiamiBuffaloDallasGreen BaySan Diego?Arizona?Oakland?Tampa Bay?I put Dallas pretty low down the list, as I'm not sure that they would be willing to take another chance on a young QB, after going through Carter, Hutchinson and Anthony Wright in the past 3 years. I included San Diego, Arizona and Oakland as they will be in prime position to take one of the top QB's in the draft, but it could be more beneficial for them to get Henson for a third (or whatever the current asking price is), and then trade their top pick for another first, + what they paid for Henson + probably something else as well. I'm not sure how likely that is, but its a possibility.I included Buffalo and Miami as they are both likely to take a QB in the first 3 rounds of the draft anyway, and Henson could be a better option at his price than the likes of Losman, or Rivers who would be avaliable when they are looking to make that pick.Of that list, I think Pittsburgh obviously makes the most sense, as they have a fairly immediate need at QB, but seeing as how Henson will likely need a little while to get back in to football shape, both physically and mentally, one of the other teams looking for a QB to groom would be a possibility.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
I agree in principle, but logistically, I don't know if it would work out. Lets just assume that Andrews and Gallery are gone when the Steelers pick in the 1st. They'd take the best player at their other need position, DB. (Gamble, Strait or maybe Hall). I don't think there is ANY WAY the Steelers trade their 2nd rounder as they can find a RB here, at least they'd like to. (G. Jones, Perry, or Turner). Here comes the problem. The Steelers CAN NOT wait until the 4th round to get O-line help. Its just not a good idea. So, they'd logically need to use their 3rd rounder on an O-linemen, meaning they need every other team interested in Henson to offer nothing better then a 4th rounder OR they have to trade some picks to get additional choices. They can get all of this done (dealing with the Texans, dealing picks), but they need to get started. I just think the Henson to Pittsburgh scenario is more complicated then we're imagining.HERD
I'm not sure that Pittsburgh will be able to fill every major need they have in one draft/FA class. With them needing help at QB, RB, OL, DB... they'd need to pull a starting quality player somewhere from the second day of the draft regardless of what order those players are selected in.One of those needs will go unfilled, and they'll have to "make do" somewhere. Whether that's QB remains to be seen.I still think Henson to Pit makes a lot of sense.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
It certainly makes sense. That's not what I'm saying. What I AM saying is that I think Pittsburgh has a lot more moving to do then a number of other teams that could be interested in Henson. HERD
