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Duke Johnson RB Dolphins (1 Viewer)
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TripItUp
Footballguy
I wasn't overly impressed last year.
If you want to see an impressive rookie look at Henry's game last week or Washington's...haven't seen anything of the sort from Duke.
Duke is overrated IMHO.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I liked him coming into the season but am cooling big time now. With Pryor, Coleman, Gordon, and Barnbridge I am not sure where he will fit in this passing game. Originally I thought he would spend a lot of time in the slot but their pass catchers seem adequate from the WR position. I think Crowell gets the bulk of carries so it may take an injury to become more FF relevant. He may still take on the bulk of third down work however I do not see him surpassing last years numbers without an injury to Crowell.
You might be missing game script. Browns Defense is bad, like really bad, and they will be playing catchup a lot, that doesn't add up to a lot of Crowell. It does add up to a lot of throwing and Crowell is not a part of that game script. Duke is dropping now and I'm eating that up, he will be plenty relevant without anybody getting injured.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Did he look awful as usual? He's such an insane value in standard but I just can't get over how sexual he might be.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You don't find Crowell too sexual for the NFL?
Not sure if I got auto-corrected, if it is the fact I drank way too many beers last night or both but I meant to just say that Crow's ADP combined with being the potential grinder with a running QB is getting me excited, but Crow is probably just trash so maybe I need to avoid.
Moonshine
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Fascinating insight as always flap.
Keep it up...no, wait! I meant don't stop...NO! What I am trying to say is keep it coming...DAMN!!!
flapgreen
Footballguy
Isaiah is the guy right now for inside runs, but his YPC overall last season was only JUST higher than Duke's, and with his age and ability to break big plays, I wouldn't be surprised to see Duke not just used slightly more in the run game, but a lot more. I also trust Hue more than Pettine to "create" plays for Duke. Giovanni Bernard in Hue's schemes have gotten around 160 carries in his first three seasons and that's with Hue having to go to a higher authority... but I think that 160 ATT is a VERY reasonable projection. So take 160 Carries, an ever so slight uptick in catches to 65, and you're looking at ~1150-1200 total yards with last years averages. I think that's being conservative. If he improves as a runner AT ALL, we could witness a legitimate breakout. I still think his size will limit carries, but with the Browns and Hue, I don't see too many projections for Duke touches being too high... just some may be more bold than others. Buy now!
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Ghoti
Footballguy
I hope you're right. The coaches have definitely been making a big deal out of Crowell this offseason, but I think both RBs can coexist. A lot of the FBG experts are pretty high on him but he still seems to be flying under the radar. In the drafts I've had, nobody was in a rush to grab him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not JUST Duke, though. There were a slew of great PPR backs FBGs / DD had rated way higher than anywhere else. Gio, Woodhead, AA/Theo, Sproles. Meanwhile everyone else in your league is scarfing up the Stewarts and Ivorys.
What were Hue Jackson's gamescripts like for Hill / Gio splits when Andy Dalton was injured?
Wondering if we should have expectation changes with the young QB coming in for Cleveland as far tilting things more or less to the pass-catching in Duke back vs the heavier dose of Crowell we have seen weeks 1 & 2..
Wondering if we should have expectation changes with the young QB coming in for Cleveland as far tilting things more or less to the pass-catching in Duke back vs the heavier dose of Crowell we have seen weeks 1 & 2..
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Is this guy worth holding onto in redraft? Considering dropping him.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Depends on your roster makeup ... But I would consider holding. Browns loosing Coleman, and Kessler starting. I doubt Crow will have much running room against Miami. Could be lots of dump off passes to Duke this week.SproutDaddy said:
Hes pretty much the best pass Catcher they have right now. I expect Hugh to get creative - using his RB's to take pressure off of the rookie QB.
i would hold this week and see how he gets worked in to the passing game.
bb7278
Footballguy
I watched some of Kessler's highlights and feel he is prefectly capable of short/intermediate throws but is hurting on the deep ball.
Duke hasn't had the proper numbers of opportunities yet this year, CLE is sort of up in the air but Duke is currently averaging 5.7/rush and 10.3/reception, I don't see any issue with him, just his usage so far.
Im puzzled on why so many people are thinking it's safe to dismiss/cut bait on him after only 2 weeks especially when it makes sense they would want to use him more to ease Kessler's transition, they will be playing from behind a lot obviously which to me lends itself more to Duke than Crow. Duke's a good player with elite receiving skills.
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Lack of usage so far + offense situation just sucks right now.bb7278 said:
Maybe it isn't 100% safe to drop him right now, but he's on the borderline for me. He seems locked in as a bye week filler type guy, and I'd rather have a lottery ticket, someone like Kenneth Dixon if available.
I think on most rosters that Duke will be a low end flex option or bye week fill in. On my roster that is wasted space for most of the season. My take is that he's going to be consistently below what I need in points for a starter. I would rather work the waiver wire to find a player with the potential for a higher ceiling. Duke is high floor, low ceiling and in my experience that doesn't help win championships. A better bye week strategy for me is to play a strength of schedule matchup on weeks where I have bye issues or am depleted at RB due to injury. Just my take. I put Hill and Duke in the same category.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
I definitely would not drop him yet. See how he is used after the change. This qb may need to depend on dump offs so maybe they simplify things and use duke more. Worth a hold in PPRs imo.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I would say that's accurate Faust, he is still a desperation play as one week he looks better than Crowell but another week Crowell looks better. It's obviously Rbbc in Cleveland on a bad running team, partly due to them always being behind. I could see them relying on Duke more as the season goes to see what he's truely made out of but for now getting 10 points out of him seems to be about right depending n scoring system.
thehoch
Footballguy
I don't have a real choice....I'm starting him. But I like your thinking. I see Crowell having a hard time running the ball. I see this game being close and hopefully turning into a short passing game contest. Duke is due for a TD....hopefully this is the week he makes pay dirt. You gotta think they want to keep him involved, he's a real good player, just not getting the opportunities.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
grateful zed
Footballguy
what does his future in dynasty look like at this point?
I'm going to tap the brakes on that. Something about this just didn't smell right to me , so I checked...
Duke had 74 targets at the RB position last year on 457 total snaps played.
Hawkins had 52 targets at the slot last year on 647 total snaps played.
az_prof
Footballguy
What do others think about Duke's situation this year? It seems like if he can get the targets he saw as a backup RB PLUS the targets Hawkins saw as slot WR, he could be in a for a very good year. But not sure how many times a RB has been used in this way--sounds sort of unusual so hard to gauge.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/browns-duke-johnson-expected-to-serve-as-slot-receiver/
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/browns-duke-johnson-expected-to-serve-as-slot-receiver/
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
If the reports are true on Browns' plan to utilize Duke Johnson as their slot WR, this would make sense since he is one of few experienced receivers. If anything, he would be an ideal candidate for zero RB strategy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It doesn't make sense because without Duke at RB, they basically have nothing behind Crowell. They can rotate TEs and WRs through the slot position depending on the play.
Chaka
Footballguy
I have read analysis suggesting if anything were to happen to Crowell, George Atkinson III would get first crack at replacing him leaving Duke to his existing role.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You think the Browns are deeper at RB than WR? It just seems like a really weird move. RBs don't really do much from the slot. Is he really good enough to transition?
Chaka
Footballguy
I have no idea about the quality of their depth at either position or about Duke's ability to switch positions, just throwing out something I read in Fantasy Football Index (a magazine and website that I respect).
beerbuff
Footballguy
This could be a great move for zero RB strategy in PPR. I could easily see RB2 value if they use him this way. It's not like whomever ends up at QB is going to be throwing the ball deep down the field to the outside WR's a lot so the TE and Slot could see some additional work.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure, it just seems weird. It's hard to imagine Duke having never played WR is a better option than all the WRs they have or the insane freak TE they just drafted.
