Dungy ready to call it a career? (1 Viewer)

[jtnt1096]

I read his book a few months ago and after reading it was surprised he even came back this year. I would not surprised at all if he hangs it up. I think he has a calling to do greater things outside of football.

 

[Bankerguy]

A great coach and class act. Enjoy golfing Tony!

 

[fatness]

According to Jason LaCanfora's ongoing blog the Redskins have wanted to talk to both Caldwell and Meeks ever since Gibbs retired. Somewhere between yesterday morning and today Caldwell seemed to have lost interest in meeting with them. Perhaps this is why. This morning's entry, the first mention that Caldwell had dropped out:

Mora is scheduled to interview Wednesday and Meeks plans to speak with Snyder on Thursday.

Indianapolis recently granted permission for the Redskins to meet with Meeks as well as Colts assistant head coach Jim Caldwell, who oversees Indianapolis's offense and quarterbacks. But Caldwell, who league sources said would be a top candidate to lead the Colts if Coach Tony Dungy retires, apparently is not currently involved with the Redskins.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Dungy is saying he hasn't decided yet. There is a link over at espn.com about it.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I guess we'll know soon enough, but what does everyone think about Tony Dungy calling it a career in Indy? I'm sure you heard that his kids transferred schools to Tampa already and he met with ownership late last week, which some have speculated as been about Dungy saying he was leaving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

ESPN is running with a similar story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/c...&id=3195151

Just curious...you think he returns? I think he'll retire, but then it becomes who coaches the Colts? I just don't see Tom Moore taking over the HC reins, would they vault Caldwell above him and be the new figurehead?

I heard on the radio today, that Dungy is waiting for God to tell him what to do next, and that it might take God a week or two to decide..

I think he'll come back,that loss yesterday has to sting, the defending champs going one-n-done the following season? ouch.

I don't think he's such a great coach to begin with, imo, Manning makes that team 'go'.

It's largely irrelevant what inspirations he uses to make the decision, just what the decision ultimately turns out to be.

Jason, I disagree.I'm taking a huge risk by posting this, and I hope the SP is mature enough to go here. I'm going to make it brief, but please don't take this as a knock on religion. It's not.

But if my boss came to my office and said she was deciding whether or not to retire based on what God told her, I'd start looking for another job. God's extremely important, but He gave you logical thinking patterns and discernment for a reason. If you start making business/personal decisions on divine inspiration, that's when I go. You're transferring responsibility onto someone else, even if that is God. I don't want to work for someone like that.

 

[switz]

Does Caldwell have specific language in his contract giving him the stripes if Dungy leaves? I.E. like Gregg Williams with the Redskins or Mike Martz with the Rams?During the last fine levied (against the Lions for hiring Steve Mariucci), IIRC Taglibue said the next team to violate the rule would eat a 500K fine. To my knowledge, all NFL fines that are collected by the league are given to charity. If Caldwell can get his stripes without the Colts interviewing even one coach of another race and not be in violation of the Rooney Rule, how can you call that "seeking equality" when the reverse would never be true? I.E. if Caldwell was white. I'm sure Caldwell is a good coach, he is spoken of highly in the press by Colts players and has long tenure in the NFL as a coach. But how can anyone argue that simply being black, if he gets the top slot without any other coaching candidate being interviewed, was a clear and decided advantage in his favor, even above his tenure and service based on merit, that denies other coaching candidates, even other black coaches, true equality? I'm sure there are many worthwhile charities out there that could use a 500K boost. I wish Tony Dungy luck, he's a class act and given the loss of his son a few season back, maybe it's time for him to hang up his clipboard for good. I wish Jim Caldwell luck, he's apparently been a good soldier for the Colts and hopefully he can sustain the success of that franchise for years to come. It's not Jim Caldwell's fault he was born black and that's apparently a tactical advantage to his opportunities to be a head coach in the NFL. But apparently it is the fault of every Caucasian, Asian and Latino head coaching candidate that they were not born black, because they are not given the same opportunities based on the threat of heavy fines, loss of draft picks and PR backlash. Good for Tony Dungy, it was a great run for him, and now he leaves a league that has even less equality now than when he started. I don't blame him for leaving a high stress, time consuming, always under public scrutiny, no real job security type of gig where apparently being a black coach means more than being a good coach. That's what we call progress gentlemen.

 

[VerticalVike]

Does Caldwell have specific language in his contract giving him the stripes if Dungy leaves? I.E. like Gregg Williams with the Redskins or Mike Martz with the Rams?During the last fine levied (against the Lions for hiring Steve Mariucci), IIRC Taglibue said the next team to violate the rule would eat a 500K fine. To my knowledge, all NFL fines that are collected by the league are given to charity. If Caldwell can get his stripes without the Colts interviewing even one coach of another race and not be in violation of the Rooney Rule, how can you call that "seeking equality" when the reverse would never be true? I.E. if Caldwell was white. I'm sure Caldwell is a good coach, he is spoken of highly in the press by Colts players and has long tenure in the NFL as a coach. But how can anyone argue that simply being black, if he gets the top slot without any other coaching candidate being interviewed, was a clear and decided advantage in his favor, even above his tenure and service based on merit, that denies other coaching candidates, even other black coaches, true equality? I'm sure there are many worthwhile charities out there that could use a 500K boost. I wish Tony Dungy luck, he's a class act and given the loss of his son a few season back, maybe it's time for him to hang up his clipboard for good. I wish Jim Caldwell luck, he's apparently been a good soldier for the Colts and hopefully he can sustain the success of that franchise for years to come. It's not Jim Caldwell's fault he was born black and that's apparently a tactical advantage to his opportunities to be a head coach in the NFL. But apparently it is the fault of every Caucasian, Asian and Latino head coaching candidate that they were not born black, because they are not given the same opportunities based on the threat of heavy fines, loss of draft picks and PR backlash. Good for Tony Dungy, it was a great run for him, and now he leaves a league that has even less equality now than when he started. I don't blame him for leaving a high stress, time consuming, always under public scrutiny, no real job security type of gig where apparently being a black coach means more than being a good coach. That's what we call progress gentlemen.

I was going to post my opinions on your commentary but that is for another thread.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Does Caldwell have specific language in his contract giving him the stripes if Dungy leaves? I.E. like Gregg Williams with the Redskins or Mike Martz with the Rams?During the last fine levied (against the Lions for hiring Steve Mariucci), IIRC Taglibue said the next team to violate the rule would eat a 500K fine. To my knowledge, all NFL fines that are collected by the league are given to charity. If Caldwell can get his stripes without the Colts interviewing even one coach of another race and not be in violation of the Rooney Rule, how can you call that "seeking equality" when the reverse would never be true? I.E. if Caldwell was white. I'm sure Caldwell is a good coach, he is spoken of highly in the press by Colts players and has long tenure in the NFL as a coach. But how can anyone argue that simply being black, if he gets the top slot without any other coaching candidate being interviewed, was a clear and decided advantage in his favor, even above his tenure and service based on merit, that denies other coaching candidates, even other black coaches, true equality? I'm sure there are many worthwhile charities out there that could use a 500K boost. I wish Tony Dungy luck, he's a class act and given the loss of his son a few season back, maybe it's time for him to hang up his clipboard for good. I wish Jim Caldwell luck, he's apparently been a good soldier for the Colts and hopefully he can sustain the success of that franchise for years to come. It's not Jim Caldwell's fault he was born black and that's apparently a tactical advantage to his opportunities to be a head coach in the NFL. But apparently it is the fault of every Caucasian, Asian and Latino head coaching candidate that they were not born black, because they are not given the same opportunities based on the threat of heavy fines, loss of draft picks and PR backlash. Good for Tony Dungy, it was a great run for him, and now he leaves a league that has even less equality now than when he started. I don't blame him for leaving a high stress, time consuming, always under public scrutiny, no real job security type of gig where apparently being a black coach means more than being a good coach. That's what we call progress gentlemen.

I was going to post my opinions on your commentary but that is for another thread.

Lets keep this thread focused on Dungy, Caldwell, and the implications for the Colts' franchise/their coaching staff please. The racial issue is a hotbutton for a lot of folks and those sorts of diatribes belong in the Free For All. Thanks in advance. Mark Wimer

 

[Marvelous]

Does Caldwell have specific language in his contract giving him the stripes if Dungy leaves? I.E. like Gregg Williams with the Redskins or Mike Martz with the Rams?During the last fine levied (against the Lions for hiring Steve Mariucci), IIRC Taglibue said the next team to violate the rule would eat a 500K fine. To my knowledge, all NFL fines that are collected by the league are given to charity. If Caldwell can get his stripes without the Colts interviewing even one coach of another race and not be in violation of the Rooney Rule, how can you call that "seeking equality" when the reverse would never be true? I.E. if Caldwell was white. I'm sure Caldwell is a good coach, he is spoken of highly in the press by Colts players and has long tenure in the NFL as a coach. But how can anyone argue that simply being black, if he gets the top slot without any other coaching candidate being interviewed, was a clear and decided advantage in his favor, even above his tenure and service based on merit, that denies other coaching candidates, even other black coaches, true equality? I'm sure there are many worthwhile charities out there that could use a 500K boost. I wish Tony Dungy luck, he's a class act and given the loss of his son a few season back, maybe it's time for him to hang up his clipboard for good. I wish Jim Caldwell luck, he's apparently been a good soldier for the Colts and hopefully he can sustain the success of that franchise for years to come. It's not Jim Caldwell's fault he was born black and that's apparently a tactical advantage to his opportunities to be a head coach in the NFL. But apparently it is the fault of every Caucasian, Asian and Latino head coaching candidate that they were not born black, because they are not given the same opportunities based on the threat of heavy fines, loss of draft picks and PR backlash. Good for Tony Dungy, it was a great run for him, and now he leaves a league that has even less equality now than when he started. I don't blame him for leaving a high stress, time consuming, always under public scrutiny, no real job security type of gig where apparently being a black coach means more than being a good coach. That's what we call progress gentlemen.

I was going to post my opinions on your commentary but that is for another thread.

Caldwell is a minority. He satisfies the Rooney rule.If you are trying to argue for a reverse Rooney rule, it's just not the same. Don't pretend you know what it like to be black.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Does Caldwell have specific language in his contract giving him the stripes if Dungy leaves? I.E. like Gregg Williams with the Redskins or Mike Martz with the Rams?During the last fine levied (against the Lions for hiring Steve Mariucci), IIRC Taglibue said the next team to violate the rule would eat a 500K fine. To my knowledge, all NFL fines that are collected by the league are given to charity. If Caldwell can get his stripes without the Colts interviewing even one coach of another race and not be in violation of the Rooney Rule, how can you call that "seeking equality" when the reverse would never be true? I.E. if Caldwell was white. I'm sure Caldwell is a good coach, he is spoken of highly in the press by Colts players and has long tenure in the NFL as a coach. But how can anyone argue that simply being black, if he gets the top slot without any other coaching candidate being interviewed, was a clear and decided advantage in his favor, even above his tenure and service based on merit, that denies other coaching candidates, even other black coaches, true equality? I'm sure there are many worthwhile charities out there that could use a 500K boost. I wish Tony Dungy luck, he's a class act and given the loss of his son a few season back, maybe it's time for him to hang up his clipboard for good. I wish Jim Caldwell luck, he's apparently been a good soldier for the Colts and hopefully he can sustain the success of that franchise for years to come. It's not Jim Caldwell's fault he was born black and that's apparently a tactical advantage to his opportunities to be a head coach in the NFL. But apparently it is the fault of every Caucasian, Asian and Latino head coaching candidate that they were not born black, because they are not given the same opportunities based on the threat of heavy fines, loss of draft picks and PR backlash. Good for Tony Dungy, it was a great run for him, and now he leaves a league that has even less equality now than when he started. I don't blame him for leaving a high stress, time consuming, always under public scrutiny, no real job security type of gig where apparently being a black coach means more than being a good coach. That's what we call progress gentlemen.

I was going to post my opinions on your commentary but that is for another thread.

Caldwell is a minority. He satisfies the Rooney rule.If you are trying to argue for a reverse Rooney rule, it's just not the same. Don't pretend you know what it like to be black.

@ assuming that everyone here is white.

 

[Marvelous]

I guess we'll know soon enough, but what does everyone think about Tony Dungy calling it a career in Indy? I'm sure you heard that his kids transferred schools to Tampa already and he met with ownership late last week, which some have speculated as been about Dungy saying he was leaving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

ESPN is running with a similar story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/c...&id=3195151

Just curious...you think he returns? I think he'll retire, but then it becomes who coaches the Colts? I just don't see Tom Moore taking over the HC reins, would they vault Caldwell above him and be the new figurehead?

I heard on the radio today, that Dungy is waiting for God to tell him what to do next, and that it might take God a week or two to decide..

I think he'll come back,that loss yesterday has to sting, the defending champs going one-n-done the following season? ouch.

I don't think he's such a great coach to begin with, imo, Manning makes that team 'go'.

It's largely irrelevant what inspirations he uses to make the decision, just what the decision ultimately turns out to be.

Jason, I disagree.I'm taking a huge risk by posting this, and I hope the SP is mature enough to go here. I'm going to make it brief, but please don't take this as a knock on religion. It's not.

But if my boss came to my office and said she was deciding whether or not to retire based on what God told her, I'd start looking for another job. God's extremely important, but He gave you logical thinking patterns and discernment for a reason. If you start making business/personal decisions on divine inspiration, that's when I go. You're transferring responsibility onto someone else, even if that is God. I don't want to work for someone like that.

Born again Christians pray and seek God. And they hear God speak to them.If you listen to Joe Gibbs carefully, he essentially said the same thing, but he uses more generic term. He always described his time with the Redskins and now his retirement as "where he is supposed to be."

A little surprising, Gibbs in his retirement openly thanked God for taking a man with modest talents (referring to himself) and letting him be a part of so much.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I guess we'll know soon enough, but what does everyone think about Tony Dungy calling it a career in Indy? I'm sure you heard that his kids transferred schools to Tampa already and he met with ownership late last week, which some have speculated as been about Dungy saying he was leaving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

ESPN is running with a similar story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/c...&id=3195151

Just curious...you think he returns? I think he'll retire, but then it becomes who coaches the Colts? I just don't see Tom Moore taking over the HC reins, would they vault Caldwell above him and be the new figurehead?

I heard on the radio today, that Dungy is waiting for God to tell him what to do next, and that it might take God a week or two to decide..

I think he'll come back,that loss yesterday has to sting, the defending champs going one-n-done the following season? ouch.

I don't think he's such a great coach to begin with, imo, Manning makes that team 'go'.

It's largely irrelevant what inspirations he uses to make the decision, just what the decision ultimately turns out to be.

Jason, I disagree.I'm taking a huge risk by posting this, and I hope the SP is mature enough to go here. I'm going to make it brief, but please don't take this as a knock on religion. It's not.

But if my boss came to my office and said she was deciding whether or not to retire based on what God told her, I'd start looking for another job. God's extremely important, but He gave you logical thinking patterns and discernment for a reason. If you start making business/personal decisions on divine inspiration, that's when I go. You're transferring responsibility onto someone else, even if that is God. I don't want to work for someone like that.

Born again Christians pray and seek God. And they hear God speak to them.

I don't doubt they do. I wish I did.But specifically waiting for divine intervention to make a decision is a mistake. God gave us other tools to use as well.

 

[redman]

I guess we'll know soon enough, but what does everyone think about Tony Dungy calling it a career in Indy? I'm sure you heard that his kids transferred schools to Tampa already and he met with ownership late last week, which some have speculated as been about Dungy saying he was leaving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

ESPN is running with a similar story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/c...&id=3195151

Just curious...you think he returns? I think he'll retire, but then it becomes who coaches the Colts? I just don't see Tom Moore taking over the HC reins, would they vault Caldwell above him and be the new figurehead?

I heard on the radio today, that Dungy is waiting for God to tell him what to do next, and that it might take God a week or two to decide..

I think he'll come back,that loss yesterday has to sting, the defending champs going one-n-done the following season? ouch.

I don't think he's such a great coach to begin with, imo, Manning makes that team 'go'.

It's largely irrelevant what inspirations he uses to make the decision, just what the decision ultimately turns out to be.

Jason, I disagree.I'm taking a huge risk by posting this, and I hope the SP is mature enough to go here. I'm going to make it brief, but please don't take this as a knock on religion. It's not.

But if my boss came to my office and said she was deciding whether or not to retire based on what God told her, I'd start looking for another job. God's extremely important, but He gave you logical thinking patterns and discernment for a reason. If you start making business/personal decisions on divine inspiration, that's when I go. You're transferring responsibility onto someone else, even if that is God. I don't want to work for someone like that.

Born again Christians pray and seek God. And they hear God speak to them.If you listen to Joe Gibbs carefully, he essentially said the same thing, but he uses more generic term. He always described his time with the Redskins and now his retirement as "where he is supposed to be."

A little surprising, Gibbs in his retirement openly thanked God for taking a man with modest talents (referring to himself) and letting him be a part of so much.

Whether you attribute it to God or just meditation, the fact is that certain people get their answers this way. I don't see the need to be judgmental about it or threatened by it. Congrats to Dungy if he decides to retire for being a classy and universally respected guy throughout a very successful NFL coaching career.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I guess we'll know soon enough, but what does everyone think about Tony Dungy calling it a career in Indy? I'm sure you heard that his kids transferred schools to Tampa already and he met with ownership late last week, which some have speculated as been about Dungy saying he was leaving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

ESPN is running with a similar story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/c...&id=3195151

Just curious...you think he returns? I think he'll retire, but then it becomes who coaches the Colts? I just don't see Tom Moore taking over the HC reins, would they vault Caldwell above him and be the new figurehead?

I heard on the radio today, that Dungy is waiting for God to tell him what to do next, and that it might take God a week or two to decide..

I think he'll come back,that loss yesterday has to sting, the defending champs going one-n-done the following season? ouch.

I don't think he's such a great coach to begin with, imo, Manning makes that team 'go'.

It's largely irrelevant what inspirations he uses to make the decision, just what the decision ultimately turns out to be.

Jason, I disagree.I'm taking a huge risk by posting this, and I hope the SP is mature enough to go here. I'm going to make it brief, but please don't take this as a knock on religion. It's not.

But if my boss came to my office and said she was deciding whether or not to retire based on what God told her, I'd start looking for another job. God's extremely important, but He gave you logical thinking patterns and discernment for a reason. If you start making business/personal decisions on divine inspiration, that's when I go. You're transferring responsibility onto someone else, even if that is God. I don't want to work for someone like that.

Born again Christians pray and seek God. And they hear God speak to them.If you listen to Joe Gibbs carefully, he essentially said the same thing, but he uses more generic term. He always described his time with the Redskins and now his retirement as "where he is supposed to be."

A little surprising, Gibbs in his retirement openly thanked God for taking a man with modest talents (referring to himself) and letting him be a part of so much.

Whether you attribute it to God or just meditation, the fact is that certain people get their answers this way. I don't see the need to be judgmental about it or threatened by it.

I'm not threatened by it at all. If I could talk to God, I'd be thrilled. But, I'm Catholic, so I just get guilt instead.But why wouldn't God also want you to use the gifts that He gave you? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Marvelous]

I guess we'll know soon enough, but what does everyone think about Tony Dungy calling it a career in Indy? I'm sure you heard that his kids transferred schools to Tampa already and he met with ownership late last week, which some have speculated as been about Dungy saying he was leaving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

ESPN is running with a similar story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/c...&id=3195151

Just curious...you think he returns? I think he'll retire, but then it becomes who coaches the Colts? I just don't see Tom Moore taking over the HC reins, would they vault Caldwell above him and be the new figurehead?

I heard on the radio today, that Dungy is waiting for God to tell him what to do next, and that it might take God a week or two to decide..

I think he'll come back,that loss yesterday has to sting, the defending champs going one-n-done the following season? ouch.

I don't think he's such a great coach to begin with, imo, Manning makes that team 'go'.

It's largely irrelevant what inspirations he uses to make the decision, just what the decision ultimately turns out to be.

Jason, I disagree.I'm taking a huge risk by posting this, and I hope the SP is mature enough to go here. I'm going to make it brief, but please don't take this as a knock on religion. It's not.

But if my boss came to my office and said she was deciding whether or not to retire based on what God told her, I'd start looking for another job. God's extremely important, but He gave you logical thinking patterns and discernment for a reason. If you start making business/personal decisions on divine inspiration, that's when I go. You're transferring responsibility onto someone else, even if that is God. I don't want to work for someone like that.

Born again Christians pray and seek God. And they hear God speak to them.If you listen to Joe Gibbs carefully, he essentially said the same thing, but he uses more generic term. He always described his time with the Redskins and now his retirement as "where he is supposed to be."

A little surprising, Gibbs in his retirement openly thanked God for taking a man with modest talents (referring to himself) and letting him be a part of so much.

Whether you attribute it to God or just meditation, the fact is that certain people get their answers this way. I don't see the need to be judgmental about it or threatened by it.

I'm not threatened by it at all. If I could talk to God, I'd be thrilled. But, I'm Catholic, so I just get guilt instead.But why wouldn't God also want you to use the gifts that He gave you? Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't want to get too far off topic. The short answer is that born again Christians will seek God, and God will speak to them in various ways. It may be audible, through signs, circumstances, peace about a situation or decision, opening/closing doors, etc. If you seek the Lord, he will speak to you too. If you don't believe, then probably not.

 

[coolnerd]

I believe (90% percent) that if a candidate is promoted from within the team, they are not required to abide by the Rooney rule not matter the ethnicity of the coach promoted.

 

[fatness]

The Washington Times is saying Dungy will decide by Monday whether he's retiring or not. Link

The Redskins have permission to interview Colts assistant head coach Jim Caldwell, but it's unclear whether he will do so given that he's in line to move up in Indianapolis if Tony Dungy retires Monday.

And from PFT:

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Colts assistant head coach Jim Caldwell has withdrawn his name for consideration for head-coaching vacancies in Baltimore and Atlanta.

Hmmmmm.

Schefter speculates that the move means either that Caldwell knows that head coach Tony Dungy is leaving (and that Caldwell is getting the job), or that Caldwell has been promised the job whenever Dungy goes.

We strongly believe that it's the former.

 

[switz]

Born again Christians pray and seek God. And they hear God speak to them.

Praying and seeking God is one thing, and I'll leave my opinion about if BACs even do that... Regardless, hearing God? No, not likely.

A little surprising, Gibbs in his retirement openly thanked God for taking a man with modest talents (referring to himself) and letting him be a part of so much.

Yep, because God has so much invested in the NFL. Gibbs might appreciate the gift of life from God, but God in no way put Gibbs in the NFL. If God had a purpose for Gibbs it would have been to follow the model God sent for us. I'm pretty sure that didn't involve the NFL, or seeking any office, prominence, or fame.But I digress, that's a discussion for another forum me thinks.

 

[Da Guru]

With all due respect.. I have had much turmoil within our family through early deaths and illness..I prayed very hard when my father died and I was moving out of state,trying to find an answer...that was years and years ago and I still have not have been told what to do.

The answer comes from within yourself..it always has.

 

[PatrickT]

Can we start a God thread somewhere else, please?

 

[Da Guru]

Can we start a God thread somewhere else, please?

Not in a Dungy thread...

 

[hauser42]

From what I have heard Pro Football Talk .com broke the news of Dungy not coming back in the last day. No one should every use their info since the just throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks.

Caldwell should get the job since he has been a key to part of this team for a long time. I could care less what color a coach is as long as he can do the job, we are nearing 2010 and still people are out there that see color. I teach my sons all the time that all this stuff doesn't matter, till I went to college I did not know one African American. I left with a couple of them as good friends.

 

[Chachi]

Dungy decision today

Per ESPN, Colts owner believes Dungy leaning towards coming back.