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I think we will see a good bit of that in CAR this season. Deshaun's injury history is yet another reason to employ RBBC.
I agree with this. I own DWill, and I want to see him take the job, but Foster has been a career 4 ypc guy, I don't see that going down. It'll be injury that knocks him out, not performance.
Wishful thinking. Foster is THE starter here, no questions. Dwill is backup, and KR.
I watched for this specifically last night...he did better at this than I expected - he bounced the first few outside, but I thought he ran straight ahead on quite a few of them and did it well; better than I expected.
Coachspeak?Foster also was pounding it in there with the starters. He's the man, and as for injury? How does anyone predict that?If the Panthers are so worried about a Foster injury, why would the have DWILL returning kicks??This is what coach Fox has been saying all along.
Same concerns here. Most of the games and highlights I saw of him in Memphis he often went straight to the outside. They were probably planned that way since it worked, but it's not going to be as easy anymore. I did see a couple of good inside runs last night, but I'd definitely like to see more. He has the talent, and I think he's showing good improvement week to week. Williams has a good line in front of him, with time I think he'll begin to trust them more and improve on his patience before instinctively running outside.FWIW I thought Foster was a little guilty of this last night as well. One particular 3rd down in the 1st series stuck out to me where on 3rd and short Foster tried to bounce it out to the right and got caught by 3 Dolphins for a loss. If he had ducked his head and plowed forward behind his blockers I think he would of had it.Both guys stuck out to me as speed demons and quickness freaks, lots of sliding through their blocks and some dancing, not as much powering thru. I'm worried Carolina is sorely going to miss Stephen Davis to pick up the tough yards this year.
Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216Payton: 5-10, 202LT: 5-10, 221Tiki: 5-10, 205Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200Priest: 5-9, 213you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
and I think you have to give Foster every opportunity. Carolina should be ahead in many games this year and I'm really liking the hard running, ground control game Foster looks to be capable of doing.
Foster has plenty of Power. You will see it this year. Trust me.
That is what I think as well. Especially w/ Fosters injury history why not share the load. I don't believe there is any way, barring injury, that Foster would ride the bench but a The Carolina running game could be real strong, not good for fantasy but great for the team.
The stats don't tell the whole story, even though I agree that DWill looked very good at times. Foster was consistently getting hit in the backfield and had a couple of 5-6 yd runs negated by penalties. Foster was fighting for extra yards after contact and looked tough. Unfortunately, since I just drafted him, that extra effort to get yards will probably lead to an injury before long.B. Nugget
He's practically a scrawny midget at 5'9, 217.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216Payton: 5-10, 202LT: 5-10, 221Tiki: 5-10, 205Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200Priest: 5-9, 213you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
It's a little early to be comparing him to six Hall of Fame type RBs isn't it?For every Emmitt there are a dozen Amp Lee's and Quentin Griffin's.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216Payton: 5-10, 202LT: 5-10, 221Tiki: 5-10, 205Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200Priest: 5-9, 213you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
What are you basing this statement on? I have watched DeShaun since his UCLA days and he has never demonstrated anything other than average power and limited durability to me.Forgive me for not trusting you on this but I would like to see something, anything, to justify that statement.
yeah, I'm comparing him to Payton. right.It's a little early to be comparing him to six Hall of Fame type RBs isn't it?For every Emmitt there are a dozen Amp Lee's and Quentin Griffin's.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216Payton: 5-10, 202LT: 5-10, 221Tiki: 5-10, 205Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200Priest: 5-9, 213you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
dude said he was simply too small to be an everydown back. Refuting that argument which makes no sense because DWill is about average for nfl rbs.
You are not reading what I am saying he runs small. He goes down easy.Those guy's ran hard and run hard. D Will is no barry, Emmit, LT, or Payton.What else you got.He's practically a scrawny midget at 5'9, 217.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216Payton: 5-10, 202LT: 5-10, 221Tiki: 5-10, 205Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200Priest: 5-9, 213you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
So he's not a hall of fame player? Good point.He's scrawny, a midget, and he can't even make it into the NFL HOF as a rookie with only a few pre-season games under his belt. You're right, he's NFL toast.You are not reading what I am saying he runs small. He goes down easy.Those guy's ran hard and run hard. D Will is no barry, Emmit, LT, or Payton.What else you got.He's practically a scrawny midget at 5'9, 217.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216Payton: 5-10, 202LT: 5-10, 221Tiki: 5-10, 205Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200Priest: 5-9, 213you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
I guess you forgot the 2 yard run for a TD against the Eagles in the NFC Championship game.That run was one of the best 2 yard power runs I have ever seen.Foster can run with good power.
Time will tell.It is just an opinion, we obviously disagree. But when I watch pre-season it is only to watch rookies and guy's fighting for their roster lives. Williams has shown no real ability to run with any power. It will hurt him in the long run. But your right, it has only been pre-season. But that is the first impression I am getting. I don't doubt his talent. But he will need more than that. He will need to run with power and stick his nose inside and he will need to add more muscle to last and be able to run that way and be an all purpse every down player in the NFL. It may take a few years for him to develop into that. Like Tiki and Dunn did. That is all I am trying to point out.So he's not a hall of fame player? Good point.He's scrawny, a midget, and he can't even make it into the NFL HOF as a rookie with only a few pre-season games under his belt. You're right, he's NFL toast.You are not reading what I am saying he runs small. He goes down easy.Those guy's ran hard and run hard. D Will is no barry, Emmit, LT, or Payton.What else you got.He's practically a scrawny midget at 5'9, 217.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216Payton: 5-10, 202LT: 5-10, 221Tiki: 5-10, 205Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200Priest: 5-9, 213you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
I got that "runs small" is about as meaningless buzzspeak as "explosive" and means absolutely nothing. Also you said "Unless he really adds more muscle next year he looks like a career change of pace/3rd down back KR. I really mean that." All I get is that you have never seen the kid run in college, didn't watch last night's game, and know nothing about him. You're now trying to change your story to this "runs small" BS and ignore that you made a statement saying that he need to add muscle ie get BIGGER to be a true nfl back. IF you don't like something about his running style say what it is and back it up some stats or specific game experiences.You are not reading what I am saying he runs small. He goes down easy.Those guy's ran hard and run hard.He's practically a scrawny midget at 5'9, 217.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216
Payton: 5-10, 202
LT: 5-10, 221
Tiki: 5-10, 205
Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200
Priest: 5-9, 213
you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
D Will is no barry, Emmit, LT, or Payton.
What else you got.
where are you getting this stuff??
C'mon bro, one run? You are saying he is a good power runner because of one run?I think if he was a more consistent short-yardage runner Stephen Davis would not have racked up 12 TDs last season. Dumping Davis this offseason could be a reflection of growing confidence in DeShaun to pick up the tough yards or just a demonstration of Stephen Davis' diminishing skills and lack of knee cartilage.Everything I have seen, more than one play, tells me that DeShaun is an average short yardage runner.
No, he's just terrible. Runs too upright and hasn't been able to pick up the offense. He's a leading candidate to get cut. Even if he isn't cut, he will see almost no playing time this year.
There was also the run to the left side where he was tracked down by a rookie DE, while trying to stretch it outside, and stopped for a two yard loss. Equally special.
I'm guessing you haven't seen much then.
Williams is returning kicks because apparently he can return them for TD's.Last season Steve Smith was returning punts. Field position is a huge part of what John Fox believes in, and I'll let his track record show how wise this emphasis works for him.Williams had his coming out performance last night. It was the first time he has shined brightly in the pre-season. The most important part of the evening was how well he handled himself in pass protection though, and he was OK, but had a few mistakes.As a Foster owner, I am now officially concerned that Fox may employ an RBBC approach. Before last night, Williams had not been impressive.
FWIW, a local beat writer said Foster was the best short yardage back on the roster during a radio sports show. Not that he was anything special, just the best out of what they have currently.
Like Emmitt?
OK,Forget what he did in College against mostly subpar talent. I am only telling you what I have observed this entire pre-season. I have watched every pre-season game of every team thus far. I am going on an NFL sample not a college sample. I watch the pre-season to get an opinion of how they( rookies) will play in the pro game. Last night he did play well. But I also saw him look to turn everything outside for the most part against the Fins first teamers. I also watched him the previous 2 weeks go down on first contact easily. He does not appear to be a very strong RB It is just my opinion. Stats to back up what??? He has not played in the regular season, and I am basing it on first impressions. Of course he could develop into a very good pro, and I stated that. But I think he does have to add more muscle to do it because he looks like he can get trounced. As far as where am I getting this stuff I can tell you that Tiki Barber added a ton of strength to his frame to endure the pounding of being a feature back. Willie Parker appears stronger this year as well to endure the pounding of becoming a featute back and running inside. Williams will have to devlop a great off-season program to endure an NFL season. It is an adjustment a lot of great pro backs have made. De-Angelo is not ready to be a feature guy in eyes right now. And there is a decent chance he will never be.I got that "runs small" is about as meaningless buzzspeak as "explosive" and means absolutely nothing. Also you said "Unless he really adds more muscle next year he looks like a career change of pace/3rd down back KR. I really mean that." All I get is that you have never seen the kid run in college, didn't watch last night's game, and know nothing about him. You're now trying to change your story to this "runs small" BS and ignore that you made a statement saying that he need to add muscle ie get BIGGER to be a true nfl back. IF you don't like something about his running style say what it is and back it up some stats or specific game experiences.You are not reading what I am saying he runs small. He goes down easy.Those guy's ran hard and run hard.He's practically a scrawny midget at 5'9, 217.Dwill: 5-9, 217Emmit: 5-10, 216
Payton: 5-10, 202
LT: 5-10, 221
Tiki: 5-10, 205
Barry Sanders: 5-8, 200
Priest: 5-9, 213
you're right, he'll never make it at that size...
D Will is no barry, Emmit, LT, or Payton.
What else you got.where are you getting this stuff??
It worries Fox too.....he likes RBs who pound the ball between tackles. Not taking anything away from DW, but he still needs to learn how to do this to become a complete back. He benched Foster until he showed signs of progress on this front. I am guessing he'll do the same with DW
There was also a play when Williams was going through the line to get into a pass pattern, bumped an Olineman, causing him lose his man and give up the sack.Although I will say Williams showed willingness to knock heads with blitzers, so that's encouraging.
Why do people always come back with comments like this? It is more odd that it comes from you switz.But if it helps to clarify the situation I was at UCLA in 1999, 2000, 2001 & 2002 saw the whole DeShaun era actually. Been watching him for his whole NFL career too, at least the games he was not on IR.I think I have seen him enough to have formulated an informed opinion. He is not Bus, he is not even Zack Crockett DeShaun is an average short yardage guy.It isn't an insult.
