[DYNASTY] 2009 Top 24 Rookies (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

Which of the RBs on the list are possible 3 down backs? And which are goaline backs?

All of them and all of them. It really depends 100% on how their team decides to use them. Wells, Moreno, Greene, Peerman, Jennings, and A. Brown all have conventional featured back size.

 

[Spike]

Is a non-PPR version of this a possibility?

 

[EBF]

Is a non-PPR version of this a possibility?

The positional rankings would look pretty similar with a slight downgrade to the smaller backs like McCoy and D. Brown.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

good job EBF

Javon Ringer?

 

[EBF]

good job EBFJavon Ringer?

Overachiever who doesn't have the tools to excel at the next level.I think he'll be a backup in the NFL.

 

[Kleck]

These are PPR rankings.

3. RB Shonn Greene - Earl Campbell without the second gear. Good feet and leg drive. Underappreciated player who should produce out of the gate if he gets opportunities. Think Rudi Johnson. If he lands on a team with an entrenched starter, knock him to the bottom of this tier.

4. RB Knowshon Moreno - Productive college player who lacks the top physical ability of a typical pro starter. Still has a chance to be productive, but not as good as his reputation would indicate.

Even if Moreno is part of a RBBC and loses out on all of the short yardage TDs, I'm still not sure I could pass on him for Greene.

 

[loose circuits]

good job EBFJavon Ringer?

Overachiever who doesn't have the tools to excel at the next level.I think he'll be a backup in the NFL.

scouts at his pro day seem disagree with you. I'm definitely not writing him off. Coming off knee surgery, his .2 40 yd dash improvement seems believable. They said he did well in all the drills too. All sorts of pro day love out there for this guy. I think he's creeping up on some people's boards. I have him ahead of McCoy for sureIs he one of those guys that you consider only good cause they got the ball a lot?

 

[loose circuits]

great effort. I'm amazed that McCoy even made your list after his pro day with the way you preach broad jump.

Broad jump and vertical jump. McCoy was dismal in both drills. One of the worst performances I've heard of in recent years.

could be the worst for a RB since weight rooms were invented. Definitely sends up flags. I guess that low you feel like he's a do not draft. He's off my boards regardless. No size or speed doesn't work in the NFL

Im getting the feeling that Mccoy may be the biggst steal in rookie drafts this year. I would love to grab him in the mid/late first round.

I hope so, at 1.11 hope I'm not the guy that's passing on him. I think I might though. Do you have any reason why is athletic numbers are so awful? What does he have that's gonna work at the pro level? I see a guy that might have been creative at the college level that could easily be overmatched physically

 

[EBF]

good job EBFJavon Ringer?

Overachiever who doesn't have the tools to excel at the next level.I think he'll be a backup in the NFL.

Is he one of those guys that you consider only good cause they got the ball a lot?

I could see myself taking him in the 20-25 range. I think he has a better chance of becoming a starter than Goodson, but he's probably not special enough to hold down a featured role long term. He's built well for his height and he has a decent burst of speed with good quickness. However, he's light for a bell cow back and his overall combine profile is unspectacular. He padded his stats against weak opponents, but was shut down by most of the bowl caliber teams on his schedule. I think he's worth a look if he lands on a team with a talent void at RB. Otherwise I don't see much to get excited about. He's probably not special enough to emerge as a starter without an injury. Dominic Rhodes might be a fair comparison for Ringer.

 

[Cookiemonster]

These are PPR rankings.

3. RB Shonn Greene - Earl Campbell without the second gear. Good feet and leg drive. Underappreciated player who should produce out of the gate if he gets opportunities. Think Rudi Johnson. If he lands on a team with an entrenched starter, knock him to the bottom of this tier.

4. RB Knowshon Moreno - Productive college player who lacks the top physical ability of a typical pro starter. Still has a chance to be productive, but not as good as his reputation would indicate.

Even if Moreno is part of a RBBC and loses out on all of the short yardage TDs, I'm still not sure I could pass on him for Greene.

Depending on situation, I could. In the Shark Pool Mock Draft - Rookie Draft poll, I voted Greene #1. Crab in Oakland knocks him down a notch or two, and even with Moreno going to Denver, I'd be more comfortable with Greene in Arizona. Wells is further down my list, but got serious consideration after landing in Seattle with the 1.04.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

good job EBF

Javon Ringer?

Overachiever who doesn't have the tools to excel at the next level.I think he'll be a backup in the NFL.

Is he one of those guys that you consider only good cause they got the ball a lot?

I could see myself taking him in the 20-25 range. I think he has a better chance of becoming a starter than Goodson, but he's probably not special enough to hold down a featured role long term. He's built well for his height and he has a decent burst of speed with good quickness. However, he's light for a bell cow back and his overall combine profile is unspectacular. He padded his stats against weak opponents, but was shut down by most of the bowl caliber teams on his schedule. I think he's worth a look if he lands on a team with a talent void at RB. Otherwise I don't see much to get excited about. He's probably not special enough to emerge as a starter without an injury.

Dominic Rhodes might be a fair comparison for Ringer.

I think he's ideal for the Houston/Denver one cut system.and LOL at the bolded. Ringer had a huge load in college.

To me he bleongs in the top 24 just on the pure fact that he's a RB and will be a 3rd/4th round pick. His pro day was excellent

 

[Kleck]

These are PPR rankings.

3. RB Shonn Greene - Earl Campbell without the second gear. Good feet and leg drive. Underappreciated player who should produce out of the gate if he gets opportunities. Think Rudi Johnson. If he lands on a team with an entrenched starter, knock him to the bottom of this tier.

4. RB Knowshon Moreno - Productive college player who lacks the top physical ability of a typical pro starter. Still has a chance to be productive, but not as good as his reputation would indicate.

Even if Moreno is part of a RBBC and loses out on all of the short yardage TDs, I'm still not sure I could pass on him for Greene.

Depending on situation, I could. In the Shark Pool Mock Draft - Rookie Draft poll, I voted Greene #1. Crab in Oakland knocks him down a notch or two, and even with Moreno going to Denver, I'd be more comfortable with Greene in Arizona. Wells is further down my list, but got serious consideration after landing in Seattle with the 1.04.

It's not that I don't like Greene. In a non-PPR and with the right team he could end up in my top 3-4. I just wouldn't feel comfortable taking Greene ahead of Moreno right now if my PPR rookie draft was prior to the NFL Draft.

 

[muddym]

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[makwaloon]

Nice work EBF. Always have respected your opinions. You had mentioned that you considered including a few tight ends. Which ones did you consider? Who are your favorites in this draft class for fantasy purposes?

 

[EBF]

Nice work EBF. Always have respected your opinions. You had mentioned that you considered including a few tight ends. Which ones did you consider? Who are your favorites in this draft class for fantasy purposes?

I'm probably most intrigued by Pettigrew, Cook, and Casey. Casey fits the Cooley/Winslow/Keller mold, but he isn't as athletically gifted as the latter two. Cook is a great athlete on paper, but I don't know if his skills will translate to the NFL. He reminds me a little bit of Oklahoma TE Jermaine Gresham. Both of them have elite size and good straight line speed, but questionable quickness and separation skills. That can be the kiss of death in the NFL against superior competition. Pettigrew will probably be the first TE drafted and I think he has a chance to be a solid contributor in FF leagues despite his reputation as a mediocre receiver. He does everything pretty well and I think he moves better than he's given credit for. It's hard to say what you're getting with him though. He could be Jason Witten or he could be Daniel Graham. Shawn Nelson and Chase Coffman are also worth a look. I haven't seen much of Nelson and I'm not very high on Coffman.

 

[Football Jones]

I'm kinda surprised by the lack of respect given to Pettigrew's receiving ability in the FF community. People don't really knock his receiving capabilities, but I think he's being underrated by a lot of FFers. If Pettigrew goes in the 1st round, like expected, I can assure you it's not mostly because of his great blocking ability. Sure, that's a big part of it, but you can get good blocking TEs much later in the draft.

I understand EBF's Witten/Graham comparison, but Pettigrew is much more Witten than Graham, IMO. If he ran a 4.7 flat, he'd be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Point being, he's an outstanding athlete & his speed will not be a detriment. I'm not necessarily going to say where I have Pettigrew ranked because of my upcoming dynasty drafts, but I believe he could be an outstanding FF TE. This kid is going to be a reliable receiver with his excellent hands, strength, & big body, who can get some RAC & will be a nice redzone target.

BTW, this TE class is the best I can remember. What seperates it is the quality depth. As many as 7 TEs could go in the first few rounds (& all are capable of being good receivers at the next level).

 

[EBF]

One small note:

My first tier remains mostly unchanged, but I'm moving Andre Brown up to the front of the second tier. I think the top three RBs should be Wells, Moreno, and Greene in some order. Once those guys are gone, I think you can justify grabbing Brown as the next RB off the board since he has a size/speed combo that could allow him to become a starter in the NFL.

 

[Tau837]

One small note:My first tier remains mostly unchanged, but I'm moving Andre Brown up to the front of the second tier. I think the top three RBs should be Wells, Moreno, and Greene in some order. Once those guys are gone, I think you can justify grabbing Brown as the next RB off the board since he has a size/speed combo that could allow him to become a starter in the NFL.

This is half of what I suggested:

I'm a N.C. State homer, but I think you have Andre Brown too low. And I think you have Peerman too high. If you switched them in your rankings, I think you'd have both just about right...

 

[EBF]

I couldn't resist one final update. I know I've been flip-flopping like a politician this season, but it can be hard to sort through all the info. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on things now. Here's 27 players ranked by position.

QB

1. Matt Stafford - Has the physical tools and will get a chance to start. Might not have the "it" factor.

2. Mark Sanchez - Not the specimen that Stafford is, but might have better intangibles. Needs a lot of seasoning.

3. Josh Freeman - Project whose draft profile reminds me of Jason Campbell. Upside.

RB

1. Knowshon Moreno - Lacks elite tools, but should be decent. Not as gifted as hype would indicate. Good player though.

2. Shonn Greene - Has everything he needs to be an effective Rudi Johnson/Stephen Davis type.

3. Chris Wells - Will show flashes of brilliance, but will probably be a long term bust due to build/durability/toughness.

4. Cedric Peerman - Not a sure thing, but has enough talent, size, and versatility to potentially emerge as a starter.

5. Andre Brown - Underachiever who will probably bust, but his size/speed combo is intriguing.

6. Donald Brown - Productive with silly combine numbers. Maxed out frame and limited power. JJ Arrington?

7. LeSean McCoy - Electric in the open field. Small and weak. Bombed his combine. Sleeper potential in PPR. Don't reach.

8. Rashad Jennings - Probably doesn't have the goods long term, but has starter size and could be decent if he gets immediate touches.

9. Javon Ringer - Little guy with mediocre speed. Low center of gravity, strong base, and good shiftiness. Another player to watch if he lands in a favorable situation.

10. Kory Sheets - Good athlete and football player who could be a Mewelde Moore or Ahmad Bradshaw type.

11. Mike Goodson - Dynamic athlete. WR/RB tweener. Probably just a committee guy in the NFL. Character concerns.

WR

1. Michael Crabtree - Should develop into a quality possession WR if he stays motivated.

2. Percy Harvin - A football player with top notch physical skills. Forget the naysayers. He'll be good if he stays out of trouble.

3. Hakeem Nicks - Low ceiling/high floor. Not a special athlete. Slow off the snap. Good WR skills, strength, and quickness.

4. Darrius Heyward-Bey - Combine freak who hasn't played up to his potential. If he puts it together, look out...

5. Jeremy Maclin - Explosive deep speed and good hands. Athlete, but can he run routes and separate? Closer to Ginn/Williamson than Harvin is.

6. Kenny Britt - Big guy who moves okay. Inconsistent hands. Separation might be an issue. Could be another Muhammad if he hits.

7. Jarett Dillard - Not big and doesn't run real well. Everything else is there. Hard to project, but don't underestimate him.

8. Brandon Tate - Good build and moves well. Could be Derrick Mason if he can get back to 100%.

9. Mike Thomas - Explosive and strong. Similar to Steve Smith, but can a 5'7.7" WR start in the NFL?

10. Brian Robiskie - Maxed out talent with no special physical qualities. Low ceiling. Only worth a look if he lands in a great spot.

11. Mohamed Massaquoi - Will be a high pick because he's an athlete. Starter potential if he improves his focus.

12. Kenny McKinley - Good sleeper because of his speed and production. Reminds me of Chansi Stuckey.

TE

1. Brandon Pettigrew - Not the most explosive guy, but good frame and athleticism. Should be a Heath Miller type at worst.

2. Jared Cook - Workout warrior with enough size and skill to potentially be a Todd Heap type.

3. Shawn Nelson - Really just a king-sized WR. Could be a nice pass catcher in the NFL. Limited blocking potential may relegate him to co-starter status.

 

[soothsayer]

I just want to say thanks to EBF for the effort in putting these opinions out there for us to consume. Kudos.

 

[Rodeojones]

I just want to say thanks to EBF for the effort in putting these opinions out there for us to consume. Kudos.

 

[anakin]

EBF you da man!