DYNASTY: 2011 Top 15 Prospects (1 Viewer)

[J-Dawg]

I'm not sold on Spiller at all. I do like Best quite a bit and Mathews still offers plenty of upside. But I think this year's top 3 has the chance to be better. So, I would go with Ingram + LeShoure + Williams.

For a mini-mock mine would go something like this:

1. A.J. Green

2. Mark Ingram

3. Mikel LeShoure

4. Justin Blackmon (if he declares)

5. Julio Jones

6. Michael Floyd

7. Ryan Williams

8. Daniel Thomas

9. Jon Baldwin

10. Dion Lewis

11. DeMarco Murray

12. Torrey Smith

 

[JPeso]

Knowing what you know now. What would you takeIngram + Leshoure + R Williams or Mathews + Spiller + Best?If there would be a difference in PPR vs NonPPR please call it out.I would take Ingram + Leshoure + R Williams

Last year's rookies in either PPR or non-PPR.

 

[DansRams]

Knowing what you know now. What would you takeIngram + Leshoure + R Williams or Mathews + Spiller + Best?If there would be a difference in PPR vs NonPPR please call it out.I would take Ingram + Leshoure + R Williams

Well I think in PPR it comes down to the #2 and #3 guys. Spiller and Best can catch better than anyone in either class. The question is can they ever amount to anything more than Reggie Bush.

Ingram can be a PPR stud in the same what that an Arian Foster can be. He did a lot of damage out of the backfield at Bama, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen in the NFL. I would take Ingram, Williams, and LeShoure. I am not sold on Best or Spiller.

The way I see it, is this.I think most if not all would identify Mathews as the #1 of last years class. I think Ingram, Leshoure and Williams are all just as good if not better. That makes the choice easy. The layer on a better/deeper WR class and it is easy to get excited about the potential of this years class.

 

[EBF]

Knowing what you know now. What would you takeIngram + Leshoure + R Williams or Mathews + Spiller + Best?If there would be a difference in PPR vs NonPPR please call it out.I would take Ingram + Leshoure + R Williams

Last year's rookies in either PPR or non-PPR.

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

 

[Concept Coop]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

 

[EBF]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

I think I would rather have an elite COOP back than a second rate bell cow who will lose his job in 2-3 years. Anyhow, I don't know that we can pigeonhole Best and Spiller into part time roles yet seeing as we've yet to see them play a completely healthy season. I wouldn't trade Best for any rookie in this class not named Ingram and we haven't even seen what Spiller is capable of yet because he barely played this season.

 

[DansRams]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

That is the key point. They may not end up being good, but if they are, the upside is greater due to 3 down potential.

 

[Concept Coop]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

I think I would rather have an elite COOP back than a second rate bell cow who will lose his job in 2-3 years. Anyhow, I don't know that we can pigeonhole Best and Spiller into part time roles yet seeing as we've yet to see them play a completely healthy season. I wouldn't trade Best for any rookie in this class not named Ingram and we haven't even seen what Spiller is capable of yet because he barely played this season.

I see where you are coming from. I don't mean to pigeonhole Best or Spiller, just think there is more potential for them to only be COOP/RBBC guys. All 6 of these guys are risks, but I feel safer taking a risk on guys I feel can and will be 3 down backs, if they work out, especially in standard scoring formats. I would rank them:IngramMatthewsWilliamsLeShoreBestSpiller

 

[lynx4ben]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

I think I would rather have an elite COOP back than a second rate bell cow who will lose his job in 2-3 years. Anyhow, I don't know that we can pigeonhole Best and Spiller into part time roles yet seeing as we've yet to see them play a completely healthy season. I wouldn't trade Best for any rookie in this class not named Ingram and we haven't even seen what Spiller is capable of yet because he barely played this season.

I see where you are coming from. I don't mean to pigeonhole Best or Spiller, just think there is more potential for them to only be COOP/RBBC guys. All 6 of these guys are risks, but I feel safer taking a risk on guys I feel can and will be 3 down backs, if they work out, especially in standard scoring formats. I would rank them:IngramMatthewsWilliamsLeShoreBestSpiller

It would be intersting to see what we would think of Mathews if he didn't end the season on a 3 td performance.

 

[Concept Coop]

It would be intersting to see what we would think of Mathews if he didn't end the season on a 3 td performance.

I was pretty high on him before. He looked strong on the first game of the season, before dealing with injuries. The Chargers--a solid drafting team--REALLY liked him which does more for me than my own impression of him. I don't apply that same logic to Spiller and Best, as COP/RBBC backs can have 1st round value, like Reggie Bush.I think it would be much more interesting to see what people thought of Best without his explosion against Philly.

 

[JPeso]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

I think I would rather have an elite COOP back than a second rate bell cow who will lose his job in 2-3 years. Anyhow, I don't know that we can pigeonhole Best and Spiller into part time roles yet seeing as we've yet to see them play a completely healthy season. I wouldn't trade Best for any rookie in this class not named Ingram and we haven't even seen what Spiller is capable of yet because he barely played this season.

I see where you are coming from. I don't mean to pigeonhole Best or Spiller, just think there is more potential for them to only be COOP/RBBC guys. All 6 of these guys are risks, but I feel safer taking a risk on guys I feel can and will be 3 down backs, if they work out, especially in standard scoring formats. I would rank them:IngramMatthewsWilliamsLeShoreBestSpiller

It would be intersting to see what we would think of Mathews if he didn't end the season on a 3 td performance.

Mathews is my third favorite of the three in PPR, 2nd in non-PPR, so it really didn't factor in too heavily into my decision. Give me Mathews over LeShoure by a decent margin though, and I don't think Williams can hold these guys jocks, he's more on the level with Hardesty in my eyes.ETA: Third favorite of the second year backs

 

[BallparkFrank]

Michael Floyd will announce his intentions tomorrow afternoon:

By Brian HamiltonThose wondering whether Michael Floyd will return to Notre Dame have another 24 hours to sweat out.After meeting with Irish coach Brian Kelly on Tuesday, Floyd will wait until Wednesday afternoon to announce his decision on whether to return to Notre Dame for his senior season or head to the NFL, a source close to the situation told the Tribune.This apparently underscores one fact: What most speculated to be a no-doubt call by Floyd to head to the pros is anything but.That may have to do with the third-round grade that Floyd received from the NFL Advisory committee, according to a source familiar with those results, the potential for labor unrest or Floyd's affinity for Notre Dame -- or all of the above.The 6-foot-3 wideout has 171 catches for 2,539 yards and a school-record 28 touchdown grabs in three seasons.Junior tight end Kyle Rudolph already declared his intent to skip his senior season at Notre Dame and enter the draft last week.

Source: ChicagoBreakingSports.com

 

[lynx4ben]

Knowing what you know now. What would you takeIngram + Leshoure + R Williams or Mathews + Spiller + Best?If there would be a difference in PPR vs NonPPR please call it out.I would take Ingram + Leshoure + R Williams

Well I think in PPR it comes down to the #2 and #3 guys. Spiller and Best can catch better than anyone in either class. The question is can they ever amount to anything more than Reggie Bush.

Ingram can be a PPR stud in the same what that an Arian Foster can be. He did a lot of damage out of the backfield at Bama, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen in the NFL. I would take Ingram, Williams, and LeShoure. I am not sold on Best or Spiller.

I definitely agree with you on the first point. I think Ingram is the clear cut #1 in both PPR and Non. He's a stud and a better talent than Foster, I like the comparison on how he could excel in PPR.However, I would still prefer Best and maybe Spiller over the rest of the 2011 class. The only reason Spiller is a maybe is because of his situation. I prefer his talent to the incoming 2011 class outside of Ingram.

 

[BallparkFrank]

12:30 press conference for Blackmon today and all OK State fans seem giddy that he's likely to return.

I was really pumped about this draft a month ago, but without Luck, Blackmon and Floyd, I'm already disappointed.

 

[Eastwood]

12:30 press conference for Blackmon today and all OK State fans seem giddy that he's likely to return. I was really pumped about this draft a month ago, but without Luck, Blackmon and Floyd, I'm already disappointed.

I pray OK State fans are wrong about him returning.

 

[steelcityman]

you can take Mike Floyd off any lists for 2011, heeeeeee's back at ND!!!

 

[J-Dawg]

12:30 press conference for Blackmon today and all OK State fans seem giddy that he's likely to return. I was really pumped about this draft a month ago, but without Luck, Blackmon and Floyd, I'm already disappointed.

Same here. Those were 3 guys that I was targeting in every one of my rookie drafts this summer. Now I'm considering trading out of the 1st this year completely and gathering up 2012 picks instead. I don't want to make picks just to make them, I'd rather wait a year and draft the guys I wanted. Besides, 2012 is looking like the better draft more and more everyday anyways with Alshon Jeffery and Trent Richardson in the mix as well. So much for 2011 being one of the most loaded rookie drafts in years.

 

[BallparkFrank]

12:30 press conference for Blackmon today and all OK State fans seem giddy that he's likely to return. I was really pumped about this draft a month ago, but without Luck, Blackmon and Floyd, I'm already disappointed.

Same here. Those were 3 guys that I was targeting in every one of my rookie drafts this summer. Now I'm considering trading out of the 1st this year completely and gathering up 2012 picks instead. I don't want to make picks just to make them, I'd rather wait a year and draft the guys I wanted. Besides, 2012 is looking like the better draft more and more everyday anyways with Alshon Jeffery and Trent Richardson in the mix as well. So much for 2011 being one of the most loaded rookie drafts in years.

Some lesser known picks will undoubtedly surface come dynasty draft time, but I think there are really only 6 highly intriguing players left in the draft imo.IngramGreenLeshoureJulio JonesR. WilliamsBaldwinthe rest....

 

[lynx4ben]

you can take Mike Floyd off any lists for 2011, heeeeeee's back at ND!!!

Link?

ETA: Here I helped you out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/news...e=ESPNHeadlines

 

[BallparkFrank]

you can take Mike Floyd off any lists for 2011, heeeeeee's back at ND!!!

Link?

C'mon man, a little effort! Links galore

 

[Steel Dillo]

Listening to Sirius NFL Network this morning & Mike Maycock was on. He said that the seniors in this draft class were a very weak group overall. Pouncey from Florida was one of the few seniors he thought deserved a 1st round grade.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Yes, and I tried to not even bring that into the discussion, but you're right. He's a diva wannabee and has maturity issues.

Those things are the reason dez bryant sucks also Baldwin will be a stud

Not sure I can put baldwin in the same sentence with Bryant.I think Bryant is a much more explosive athlete.

My point is ppl used those same criticisms to knock bryant and ignored the talent he had. Some ppl are doing that with baldwin, maybe he's a wannabe diva(and many wrs are) but that doesn't change the fact that he is 6'4, 230 lbs and runs a 4.4/40

 

[fruity pebbles]

Blackmon officially staying in school

 

[Concept Coop]

My point is ppl used those same criticisms to knock bryant and ignored the talent he had. Some ppl are doing that with baldwin, maybe he's a wannabe diva(and many wrs are) but that doesn't change the fact that he is 6'4, 230 lbs and runs a 4.4/40

I never saw Bryant quit during a game. The first time I ever watched Baldwin play - not watched a game he was in, but watched him play - was this year against Utah. Brandon Burton had his number and Baldwin gave up. Not for the whole game, but for plays. He looked lazy and uninspired. That is the concern I have against Baldwin.Granted, Burton is a hell of a corner and a 1st or 2nd round pick himself, but Baldwin will be going up against those every week. I question his mental toughness, which is a bigger concern than saying silly things to the press.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Blackmon officially staying in school

oof.......time to start buying 2012 lottery tickets

 

[JohnnyU]

Blackmon officially staying in school

oof.......time to start buying 2012 lottery tickets

Well, in HyperActive I I have the first 3 picks. They're looking pretty good now that #4, #5, and #6 decided to stay in school. This is true for PPR leagues. In non-ppr someone like Lewis, Leshoure and Williams takes some of the sting away from Floyd, Blackmon, and Luck staying in school.

 

[EBF]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

 

[Concept Coop]

Blackmon officially staying in school

oof.......time to start buying 2012 lottery tickets

Well, in HyperActive I I have the first 3 picks. They're looking pretty good now that #4, #5, and #6 decided to stay in school. This is true for PPR leagues. In non-ppr someone like Leshoure or Williams takes some of the sting away from Floyd, Blackmon, and Luck staying in school.

I traded for 1.06 in HA2, recently, thinking Blackmon and Floyd would be in the draft...my stomach hurts.

 

[todisco1]

Blackmon officially staying in school

oof.......time to start buying 2012 lottery tickets

Well, in HyperActive I I have the first 3 picks. They're looking pretty good now that #4, #5, and #6 decided to stay in school. This is true for PPR leagues. In non-ppr someone like Leshoure or Williams takes some of the sting away from Floyd, Blackmon, and Luck staying in school.

I traded for 1.06 in HA2, recently, thinking Blackmon and Floyd would be in the draft...my stomach hurts.

You might be forced to take Baldwin lol.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

As a VT and Williams fan, I unfortunately think you are right on Williams. His blocking is horrid though, and 3rd down backs better at least know who to block.I know mocks have Williams as high as the #2 RB taken, but it wouldn't surprise me if Evans is actually the first VT back drafted. Much more powerful and an every down back. Evans would make a nice fit for the Patriots (of course who wouldn't).

 

[J-Dawg]

Well, now it's officially time to cash in my three 1sts this year and hope to turn them into three 2012 1sts instead. Unless you have one of the top two picks and had a chance for Green or Ingram there's just too many wild-cards and unknowns for my liking the rest of the way now that so many of the top rated underclassmen are going back to school. I'd rather wait a year than burn a high pick on a player I'm not totally sold on. LeShoure would be the only guy I'd be tempted to take but not over the likes of Blackmon or Luck next year for example.

 

[steelcityman]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

If you had Floyd in a top 10, your rankings are way off. He was given a 3rd round draft grade by some idiots. He's not top 10, but not 3rd round now.Next year he could be top 10 overall. With Bladwin, Green and Jones, he might not have been the 4th WR taken.Now he comes back, and could go down as the all time greatest ND WR....and make millions in the NFL....and have a degree from a good school.He needs to work on quickness off the LOS.

 

[SayWhat?]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

If you had Floyd in a top 10, your rankings are way off. He was given a 3rd round draft grade by some idiots. He's not top 10, but not 3rd round now.Next year he could be top 10 overall. With Bladwin, Green and Jones, he might not have been the 4th WR taken.Now he comes back, and could go down as the all time greatest ND WR....and make millions in the NFL....and have a degree from a good school.He needs to work on quickness off the LOS.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to top 10 in his rookie rankings, not in the NFL draft.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

If you had Floyd in a top 10, your rankings are way off. He was given a 3rd round draft grade by some idiots. He's not top 10, but not 3rd round now.Next year he could be top 10 overall. With Bladwin, Green and Jones, he might not have been the 4th WR taken.Now he comes back, and could go down as the all time greatest ND WR....and make millions in the NFL....and have a degree from a good school.He needs to work on quickness off the LOS.

Quickness isn't something you can change easily or drastically, especially in college ball getting college training. I don't think his quickness is ever going to change much. Plus, he already dominates corners who bump him on the line using his superior strength.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

If you had Floyd in a top 10, your rankings are way off. He was given a 3rd round draft grade by some idiots. He's not top 10, but not 3rd round now.Next year he could be top 10 overall. With Bladwin, Green and Jones, he might not have been the 4th WR taken.Now he comes back, and could go down as the all time greatest ND WR....and make millions in the NFL....and have a degree from a good school.He needs to work on quickness off the LOS.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to top 10 in his rookie rankings, not in the NFL draft.

Yeah. But even still if that 3rd round grade held up or even if he went in the second half of the 2nd round, chances are he wasnt going to go in the top 10 of rookie drafts anyway.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

If you had Floyd in a top 10, your rankings are way off. He was given a 3rd round draft grade by some idiots. He's not top 10, but not 3rd round now.

Next year he could be top 10 overall. With Bladwin, Green and Jones, he might not have been the 4th WR taken.

Now he comes back, and could go down as the all time greatest ND WR....and make millions in the NFL....and have a degree from a good school.

He needs to work on quickness off the LOS.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to top 10 in his rookie rankings, not in the NFL draft.

Yeah. But even still if that 3rd round grade held up or even if he went in the second half of the 2nd round, chances are he wasnt going to go in the top 10 of rookie drafts anyway.

After Mike Williams blew up for Tampa, I wouldn't be too sure about discounting Floyd's draft position had he gone to a team with a stud QB or a team where the path to the starting lineup was easy.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

If you had Floyd in a top 10, your rankings are way off. He was given a 3rd round draft grade by some idiots. He's not top 10, but not 3rd round now.Next year he could be top 10 overall. With Bladwin, Green and Jones, he might not have been the 4th WR taken.Now he comes back, and could go down as the all time greatest ND WR....and make millions in the NFL....and have a degree from a good school.He needs to work on quickness off the LOS.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to top 10 in his rookie rankings, not in the NFL draft.

Yeah. But even still if that 3rd round grade held up or even if he went in the second half of the 2nd round, chances are he wasnt going to go in the top 10 of rookie drafts anyway.

I'd guess that well over half of the board had Floyd in their top 10.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Draft has taken a massive hit with the losses of Blackmon, Luck, Floyd, and James. Those are all guys who would've been in my top 10.

If you had Floyd in a top 10, your rankings are way off. He was given a 3rd round draft grade by some idiots. He's not top 10, but not 3rd round now.Next year he could be top 10 overall. With Bladwin, Green and Jones, he might not have been the 4th WR taken.Now he comes back, and could go down as the all time greatest ND WR....and make millions in the NFL....and have a degree from a good school.He needs to work on quickness off the LOS.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to top 10 in his rookie rankings, not in the NFL draft.

Yeah. But even still if that 3rd round grade held up or even if he went in the second half of the 2nd round, chances are he wasnt going to go in the top 10 of rookie drafts anyway.

I'd guess that well over half of the board had Floyd in their top 10.

Most of the board had him going in their first round mocks too. Someones wrong about him. Happens all the time. Most on the board had Dwyer in thei top 5 as well until the actual draft happened.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Agreed. I'm not so high on Leshoure and Williams. Those guys are decent backs with a chance to be successful, but neither is a first round talent like Spiller or Best.

Reggie Bush was and is a first round talent. I don't think that always translates to fantasy points. Williams and LeShoure are both more likely to be 3 down backs in the NFL. I think Best and Spiller have the most RBBC/COP potential.

As a VT and Williams fan, I unfortunately think you are right on Williams. His blocking is horrid though, and 3rd down backs better at least know who to block.I know mocks have Williams as high as the #2 RB taken, but it wouldn't surprise me if Evans is actually the first VT back drafted. Much more powerful and an every down back. Evans would make a nice fit for the Patriots (of course who wouldn't).

I'd say evans was the more consistent rb at virgina tech but no way he gets drafted before williams. Williams is a big play with his speed and that's something that evans isn't. Evans reminds me of former VT rb cedric humes and williams reminds me of another former VT rb, kevin jones. One was a first rounder and one was not.

 

[WisWolvrns]

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Anyone willing to start a 2011 prospect youtube highlight thread? I believe we had one here last year and it was pretty helpful.

 

[Don Quixote]

Another one stays in school.... Jeff Fuller, WR, Texas A&M, announced that he's staying for another year.

ETA: Oh, and Case Keenum, QB, Houston, was granted another year of eligibility (but that one was more expected).

 

[el centro]

I don't get to watch much College FBall, so could someone elighten me why R.Williams is rated so high? Is it based on his `09 stats, cuz 2.0 yd/carry against BSU w/ 20-carries isn't much to excite me.

 

[BigTex]

I don't get to watch much College FBall, so could someone elighten me why R.Williams is rated so high? Is it based on his `09 stats, cuz 2.0 yd/carry against BSU w/ 20-carries isn't much to excite me.

He's been battling injuries for most of the year, the ratings you see are not holding that against him. IMHO, after Ingram the only other two backs I really like are Lewis and Williams. After that it's a watch and wait approach, watch how they perform at the combine or pro day, wait to see when and where they are drafted.

 

[BigTex]

Anyone willing to start a 2011 prospect youtube highlight thread? I believe we had one here last year and it was pretty helpful.

We have one every year, give it time it'll show up, i promise.

 

[FTRWRTR]

I don't get to watch much College FBall, so could someone elighten me why R.Williams is rated so high? Is it based on his `09 stats, cuz 2.0 yd/carry against BSU w/ 20-carries isn't much to excite me.

He's been battling injuries for most of the year, the ratings you see are not holding that against him. IMHO, after Ingram the only other two backs I really like are Lewis and Williams. After that it's a watch and wait approach, watch how they perform at the combine or pro day, wait to see when and where they are drafted.

It may be because of injuries but IMO darren evans was the more consistent college rb. I remember last year telling ppl who were saying williams would be the #1 rb this year that that wasn't going to happen because evans was coming back. I admit ryan williams has some nice upside but I'd let others spend their draft pick on him and worry if he'll live up to expectations or not.

 

[JPeso]

Yes, and I tried to not even bring that into the discussion, but you're right. He's a diva wannabee and has maturity issues.

Those things are the reason dez bryant sucks also Baldwin will be a stud

Not sure I can put baldwin in the same sentence with Bryant.I think Bryant is a much more explosive athlete.

My point is ppl used those same criticisms to knock bryant and ignored the talent he had. Some ppl are doing that with baldwin, maybe he's a wannabe diva(and many wrs are) but that doesn't change the fact that he is 6'4, 230 lbs and runs a 4.4/40

Baldwin can't hold Bryant's jock.

 

[gump]

Julio is in Arizona already working on his combine skills...reportedly ran a 4.43 40 today.

 

[DansRams]

Julio is in Arizona already working on his combine skills...reportedly ran a 4.43 40 today.

Link?

 

[Concept Coop]

Julio is in Arizona already working on his combine skills...reportedly ran a 4.43 40 today.

If this is true...