DYNASTY: 2011 Top 15 Prospects (1 Viewer)

[oukurt]

Solid list kremenull. Never too early, especially with some of the leagues we play in .

 

[EBF]

DeMarco Murray sucks. You would think that people would have finally learned to stop talking about him as an elite RB prospect, but the hype just won't die. I saw the guy with my own two eyeballs at the Sun Bowl, which was difficult because he was practically invisible in that game. Maybe the injuries have slowed him down, but the guy just isn't anything special at all.

DeAndre Brown didn't suffer a knee injury. He broke his leg in a game during the 2008 season. I think he's a bit overrated because of his height/speed combo, but he could be a first round prospect if he steps up and tests well. At best he's maybe a Plaxico Burress type. At worst he's maybe a Ramses Barden type.

Chris Owusu is a return man first and a WR second. He might be the best kickoff returner in college football. As a receiver, he's a work in progress. Good speed. Inconsistent hands. Decent size, but doesn't always use it to his advantage. He will definitely be drafted because he has legitimate wheels and he can help in the return game. As a WR, I'm not sure he's a better prospect than someone like Devery Henderson. His teammate Ryan Whalen is a better NCAA receiver, though he's not a day one prospect like Owusu because his game won't translate as well to the next level.

 

[oukurt]

Have to disagree on the DeMarco sucks but I do agree he is a bit overated. The OU line was horrible last year and he did have nagging injuries. He has shown flashes of brilliance though. We will learn a lot about him this season. I can see him being drafted anywhere from the 2nd - 4th round.

 

[kremenull]

DeMarco Murray sucks. You would think that people would have finally learned to stop talking about him as an elite RB prospect, but the hype just won't die. I saw the guy with my own two eyeballs at the Sun Bowl, which was difficult because he was practically invisible in that game. Maybe the injuries have slowed him down, but the guy just isn't anything special at all. DeAndre Brown didn't suffer a knee injury. He broke his leg in a game during the 2008 season. I think he's a bit overrated because of his height/speed combo, but he could be a first round prospect if he steps up and tests well. At best he's maybe a Plaxico Burress type. At worst he's maybe a Ramses Barden type.Chris Owusu is a return man first and a WR second. He might be the best kickoff returner in college football. As a receiver, he's a work in progress. Good speed. Inconsistent hands. Decent size, but doesn't always use it to his advantage. He will definitely be drafted because he has legitimate wheels and he can help in the return game. As a WR, I'm not sure he's a better prospect than someone like Devery Henderson. His teammate Ryan Whalen is a better NCAA receiver, though he's not a day one prospect like Owusu because his game won't translate as well to the next level.

Yeah, broken leg. Correction. Analysis for him stays the same, has to fully show he is all the way back but he will certainly garner attention from NFL scouts. I definitely don't agree with your Murray assessment. We'll see. If guys like Tate, Gerhart, and Hardesty are 2nd Rd picks, then this guy certainly could, and should be.And when did I state that he is elite?Owusu is a serious talent due to his open field running. Brandon Tate but only bigger, NFL will be all over this guy as I expect a very nice season from him with Luck pulling the trigger. I'm projecting close to 19-20 ypc and over 1,000 yds which will bump him into the 1st Rd mix. If you are comparing him to a player like Devery Henderson, these type of guys have tremendous value to NFL teams as they extend the defense and open up the field. It's not coincidence that the Saints have guys running open all over the field, a lot has to do with Devery stretching the defense. And with Owusu's return ability, if he delivers on a good season, he will be coveted.

 

[cheese]

Monster class for WRs IMO.

Probably 7 or 8 of the top 9 in Kremenull's list would all have been top 3 WR's in this year's class.

Qbs aren't great. I wouldn't be confident in anyone outside of Locker, Luck, and Mallett even as a backup. All 3 of these guys have limited upside, but are all polished enough to come in and be above average relatively quickly.

RBs probably a big dropoff after Williams and Ingram. I happen to prefer Williams as #1, but if you miss on both of these you're stretching for a RB or searching for someone landing a great situation.

 

[BeTheMatch]

DeMarco Murray sucks.

 

[doowain]

Lately, I'm finding myself spending more time scouting the 2011 class as opposed to working on my 2010 fantasy rankings. Before I change gears to get back into redraft mode, I'll list my preliminary 2011 rookie rankings at each position for guys who are draft eligible (Note that all of these players may not necessarily enter the NFL draft). One thing that I'm projecting is that the 2011 WR class has the potential to be one of the best ever, at least in terms of fantasy stars and sterling contributors. The 2011 WRs will at least be as good as the 2009 class, but I believe even better overall in terms of elite talent and quality depth. Beloved guys like Crabtree, Nicks, Harvin, Britt, and Maclin would not stand out amongst this group. Also, the QB class could also be pretty special if a couple of guys with immense potential develop. Not really much to mention about the TE position. With that said, here it goes......

QBs

1. Andrew Luck - QB Stanford.....Great combo of prototypical size, arm strength, anticipation, and accuracy. Receiving masterful tutelage under Jim Harbaugh

2. Ryan Mallett - QB Arkansas.....Joe Flacco clone. The NFL should get it right and some team should select this kid ahead of Locker

3. Jake Locker - QB Washington....The Pac-10 gets beaten down on a national level (media bias), but they have some serious QB talent currently on display throughout the conference

4. Terrell Pryor - QB Ohio St.....Still waiting for him to make the quantum leap that his physical tools indicate. If it happens this year, he moves ahead of Locker, at minimum.

5. Christian Ponder - QB Florida St......Nice athleticism and accuracy. If he can stay healthy, could develop into an NFL franchise QB

6. Pat Devlin - QB Deleware.....Former Penn St. player making the most out of his transfer to D-1AA ala Joe Flacco

7. Jerrod Johnson - QB Texas A&M.....Another raw, but exciting specimen who may need some seasoning holding a clipboard for a couple of years, but the finished product could be Randall Cunningham....that would not be a bad career, I'd say

RBs

1. Mark Ingram - RB Alabama......Franchise, workhorse RB. Too many people getting caught up in Trent Richardson and somewhat ignoring this kid. Ingram is 2011 $$$$ and if any young prospect ever deserved a legendary comparison, IMO, it's this kid as he is eerily similar to Emmitt Smith.

2. Ryan Williams - RB Virginia Tech......If you didn't know better you might think that DeAngelo Williams was moonlighting as a college player once again. Kid could be that good.

3. Demarco Murray - RB Oklahoma.....While many have written him off due to injuries and not meeting expectations, I see an underrated and motivated player about to re-emerge in his final college season. No longer a thin, young kid, Murray is now a solid 215 lbs with great feet, nice burst, and underrated power.

4. Allen Bradford - RB USC......Lots to like here: Big frame, runs tough, above-average athleticism, and low-mileage due to RBBC his entire college career. I believe this kid will ascend up NFL draft boards, and the fantasy community will have to take notice.

5. Jamie Harper – RB Clemson……Former 5-Star recruit who may stick around for another year, but if he produces a big season I’d expect him to enter the 2011 draft. Nice combo of size, power, and speed.

6. Evan Royster - RB Penn St......Matt Forte-like, which in my estimation, is not a negative. Not everyone can be Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson, and guys like this can still produce in the NFL.

7. Daniel Thomas – RB Kansas St……A bit on the taller side (6’2”), but has tremendous, natural running instincts.

8. Jacquizz Rodgers – RB Oregon St……Many compare him to MJD. I don’t fall in that camp. Runs a bit too physical for his size, not quite as shifty as he needs to be. Also has quite a bit of mileage for a small RB.

9. John Clay – RB Wisconsin……Big, powerful runner with good enough feet to make an impact as a 2-down RB at the next level. Must keep his pad-level down as he is a taller RB (listed at 6’2”), but doesn’t look quite that tall to me and Wisconsin has a history of listing guys bigger than they actually are.

10. Noel Devine – RB W.Virginia….Simply had to receive a mention as this guy is the most talented RB in next year’s draft…..if only he were 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier.

WRs

1. A.J. Green – WR Georgia…..Very fluid, natural hands catching WR. One of the Top 3-4 WR prospects over the last decade. Polished enough to make an immediate impact as a rookie, I’m talking 1,000 yd season.

2. Jonathan Baldwin – WR Pittsburgh….Huge WR, as in Calvin-esque, with tremendous athleticism and hands combo. If he can stay out of the police blotter, will be an NFL superstar.

3. Michael Floyd – WR Notre Dame…..Maybe the most talented of the crop, must stay focused and healthy.

4. Ronald Johnson – WR USC…….The best NFL WR prospect out of USC since, maybe Lynn Swann. Yeah, better than Keyshawn, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Damian Williams as I believe his game translates better to the next level.

5. Julio Jones – WR Alabama…..Very physical, talented WR who is a bit of an enigma. Maybe the system simply hasn’t allowed for him to truly blossom and match the hype of his H.S. legend

6. Chris Owusu – WR Stanford…..Remember the name as he could work his way up into the first round of the 2011 NFL draft. Very explosive player with the size to boot.

7. DeAndre Brown – WR Southern Miss….Working his way back off of a major injury (broken leg), but the size and athleticism are intriguing if he fully recovers to his Frosh level

8. DeVier Posey – WR Ohio St…..a bit inconsistent with his hands and sloppy route-running, but he possesses loads of talent

9. Greg Little – WR N.Carolina….In the mold of former Tar Heels Hakeem Nicks and Brooks Foster – strong, physical WRs with good hands who run well after the catch. Could rise up draft boards with a big season and offseason workouts

10. Terrance Toliver – WR LSU……an illustration of the depth of this WR class as Toliver probably would have been a 2nd Rd selection in the 2010 NFL draft, certainly ahead of all of the 3rd Rd selections like Shipley and former LSU Tiger LaFell

11. Jarrett Boykin – WR Virginia Tech…..A big-play guy with a very good size/athleticism combo. Should finally start to get some recognition during his Sr. season

12a. Austin Pettis – WR Boise St……fluid, rangy WR with some of the best hands around. Not overly athletic, but plays eerily similar to T.J. Houshmandzadeh

12b. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – WR Iowa…..Unspectacular yet very steady performer who could become a Steve Smith (NYG) type of player as he has similar size, speed, and awareness

12c. Niles Paul – WR Nebraska……Intriguing physical specimen who appears to be a boom/bust type of proposition. Very good potential as a deep threat, Alvin Harper type playmaker. Pretty high ceiling.

Thanks for the rankings....definitely going out on a limb here with a few.I'm really surprised to not see Binns even in your Top "14" at WR. Admittedly, I'm a bit of a homer, but that also means I get to see a lot of him. Lots of people are sleeping on him (or maybe just on UC?). He's going to have a huge season.

That being said, next year's WR class is going to be SICK.

 

[Steed]

Evan Royster has the look of a #3 RB on a depth chart, maybe #2 if he works hard at the next level.

 

[moderated]

DeMarco Murray sucks.

agree, if he was any good he wouldn't be going back for his 5th year.How many big time high school recruits ended up staying 5 years in college and then becoming something in the NFL?A no name prospect can sometimes take a while to start producing in college since they aren't given opportunity there first couple years, but a blue chip like Murray has been given opportunity since his freshman year and is now returning for a 5th.He's dead as far as ever becoming a legitimate NFL RB.

 

[thatguy]

 

[Don Quixote]

I like the rankings too. Agree with above that Armon Binns should be on the list. I think Ryan Broyles and Vincent Brown could be added as well. It will be a great draft for WRs depending on how many come out.

 

[ptsteelers]

Good stuff here, guys.

 

[Faust]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

Aside from Locker, top talent for 2011 draft could come on defense

By Bucky Brooks | NFL.com

Analyst

The draft is barely in the books, but scouts have already turned their focus to next year's prospects.

In looking at the senior class, next year could be heavily influenced by the defensive side of the ball. While pass rushers always rank at a premium, 2011 is similar to 2010 in that it is loaded with quality defensive tackles that have the potential to provide an instant impact.

Still, when all is said and done, a quarterback could end up being the No. 1 overall pick.

While it's important to remember that these are tentative projections that are bound to change due to a number of factors (production, injuries and/or character concerns), let's take a look at some of the top prospects in the 2011 senior class:

I'm fairly certain this thread was meant to be about the top offensive prospects.

Thanks for the helpful feedback. Some people here play in leagues with IDPs, so they may have appreciated the information. I also found it surprising that this article basically only highlighted one player from the offensive skill positions, as almost everyone else regards this draft to be very deep at WR and some other talented players at QB and RB - so this view of the top 12 is contrary to almost all other top 12 lists.

 

[offdee]

For poops and giggles to those who have posted rankings....where would Trent Richardson fall IF (hypothetically) he was available to be drafted amongst this 2011 crop?

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

For poops and giggles to those who have posted rankings....where would Trent Richardson fall IF (hypothetically) he was available to be drafted amongst this 2011 crop?

Thats a difficult one for me to say. I think he is more naturally talented than Ingram, but Ingram has proven it over a whole season of tough competition. If I was drafting today, he would probably be my #4, after Ingram, Green and Floyd. I just think those 3 are pretty solid bets to be very good pro's. There is more risk with Richardson. Is he the next Adrian Peterson or the next Kenny Irons? Also one thing I can say for sure after watching a lot more of some of these players is that my rankings will change a lot. After watching Ryan Williams more, I think I underrated him a bit too much.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Lately, I'm finding myself spending more time scouting the 2011 class as opposed to working on my 2010 fantasy rankings. Before I change gears to get back into redraft mode, I'll list my preliminary 2011 rookie rankings at each position for guys who are draft eligible (Note that all of these players may not necessarily enter the NFL draft). One thing that I'm projecting is that the 2011 WR class has the potential to be one of the best ever, at least in terms of fantasy stars and sterling contributors. The 2011 WRs will at least be as good as the 2009 class, but I believe even better overall in terms of elite talent and quality depth. Beloved guys like Crabtree, Nicks, Harvin, Britt, and Maclin would not stand out amongst this group. Also, the QB class could also be pretty special if a couple of guys with immense potential develop. Not really much to mention about the TE position. With that said, here it goes......

QBs

1. Andrew Luck - QB Stanford.....Great combo of prototypical size, arm strength, anticipation, and accuracy. Receiving masterful tutelage under Jim Harbaugh

2. Ryan Mallett - QB Arkansas.....Joe Flacco clone. The NFL should get it right and some team should select this kid ahead of Locker

I don't see the Flacco comparison at all. At this point Ryan Leaf is a more apt comparison. Million dollar arm, 10 cent head. Of course he is young so that has a chance to change, but honestly I don't see the maturity level needed to be a top NFL QB.

3. Jake Locker - QB Washington....The Pac-10 gets beaten down on a national level (media bias), but they have some serious QB talent currently on display throughout the conference

4. Terrell Pryor - QB Ohio St.....Still waiting for him to make the quantum leap that his physical tools indicate. If it happens this year, he moves ahead of Locker, at minimum.

I would really hope NFL GM's have learned their lesson, but I am sure they have not. This kid will not make it at QB in the NFL. He doesn't have the passing ability, and like Mallett his personality leaves a lot to be desired.

5. Christian Ponder - QB Florida St......Nice athleticism and accuracy. If he can stay healthy, could develop into an NFL franchise QB

6. Pat Devlin - QB Deleware.....Former Penn St. player making the most out of his transfer to D-1AA ala Joe Flacco

7. Jerrod Johnson - QB Texas A&M.....Another raw, but exciting specimen who may need some seasoning holding a clipboard for a couple of years, but the finished product could be Randall Cunningham....that would not be a bad career, I'd say

RBs

1. Mark Ingram - RB Alabama......Franchise, workhorse RB. Too many people getting caught up in Trent Richardson and somewhat ignoring this kid. Ingram is 2011 $$$$ and if any young prospect ever deserved a legendary comparison, IMO, it's this kid as he is eerily similar to Emmitt Smith.

2. Ryan Williams - RB Virginia Tech......If you didn't know better you might think that DeAngelo Williams was moonlighting as a college player once again. Kid could be that good.

3. Demarco Murray - RB Oklahoma.....While many have written him off due to injuries and not meeting expectations, I see an underrated and motivated player about to re-emerge in his final college season. No longer a thin, young kid, Murray is now a solid 215 lbs with great feet, nice burst, and underrated power.

I agree with EBF on this one, kid is damaged goods. He may make his way on to an NFL roster and have a role, but he is nothing special in my eyes.

4. Allen Bradford - RB USC......Lots to like here: Big frame, runs tough, above-average athleticism, and low-mileage due to RBBC his entire college career. I believe this kid will ascend up NFL draft boards, and the fantasy community will have to take notice.

5. Jamie Harper – RB Clemson……Former 5-Star recruit who may stick around for another year, but if he produces a big season I’d expect him to enter the 2011 draft. Nice combo of size, power, and speed.

6. Evan Royster - RB Penn St......Matt Forte-like, which in my estimation, is not a negative. Not everyone can be Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson, and guys like this can still produce in the NFL.

7. Daniel Thomas – RB Kansas St……A bit on the taller side (6’2”), but has tremendous, natural running instincts.

8. Jacquizz Rodgers – RB Oregon St……Many compare him to MJD. I don’t fall in that camp. Runs a bit too physical for his size, not quite as shifty as he needs to be. Also has quite a bit of mileage for a small RB.

Obviously we disagree on this one. While I am not saying Rodgers is MJD, I think he has the body type and playing style to be an effective NFL starter at his height.

9. John Clay – RB Wisconsin……Big, powerful runner with good enough feet to make an impact as a 2-down RB at the next level. Must keep his pad-level down as he is a taller RB (listed at 6’2”), but doesn’t look quite that tall to me and Wisconsin has a history of listing guys bigger than they actually are.

10. Noel Devine – RB W.Virginia….Simply had to receive a mention as this guy is the most talented RB in next year’s draft…..if only he were 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier.

WRs

1. A.J. Green – WR Georgia…..Very fluid, natural hands catching WR. One of the Top 3-4 WR prospects over the last decade. Polished enough to make an immediate impact as a rookie, I’m talking 1,000 yd season.

2. Jonathan Baldwin – WR Pittsburgh….Huge WR, as in Calvin-esque, with tremendous athleticism and hands combo. If he can stay out of the police blotter, will be an NFL superstar.

3. Michael Floyd – WR Notre Dame…..Maybe the most talented of the crop, must stay focused and healthy.

4. Ronald Johnson – WR USC…….The best NFL WR prospect out of USC since, maybe Lynn Swann. Yeah, better than Keyshawn, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Damian Williams as I believe his game translates better to the next level.

I am very high on RoJo's potential, but this is a bit too high for my tastes. I want to see his potential translate to the field first.

5. Julio Jones – WR Alabama…..Very physical, talented WR who is a bit of an enigma. Maybe the system simply hasn’t allowed for him to truly blossom and match the hype of his H.S. legend

6. Chris Owusu – WR Stanford…..Remember the name as he could work his way up into the first round of the 2011 NFL draft. Very explosive player with the size to boot.

7. DeAndre Brown – WR Southern Miss….Working his way back off of a major injury (broken leg), but the size and athleticism are intriguing if he fully recovers to his Frosh level

8. DeVier Posey – WR Ohio St…..a bit inconsistent with his hands and sloppy route-running, but he possesses loads of talent

9. Greg Little – WR N.Carolina….In the mold of former Tar Heels Hakeem Nicks and Brooks Foster – strong, physical WRs with good hands who run well after the catch. Could rise up draft boards with a big season and offseason workouts

10. Terrance Toliver – WR LSU……an illustration of the depth of this WR class as Toliver probably would have been a 2nd Rd selection in the 2010 NFL draft, certainly ahead of all of the 3rd Rd selections like Shipley and former LSU Tiger LaFell

11. Jarrett Boykin – WR Virginia Tech…..A big-play guy with a very good size/athleticism combo. Should finally start to get some recognition during his Sr. season

12a. Austin Pettis – WR Boise St……fluid, rangy WR with some of the best hands around. Not overly athletic, but plays eerily similar to T.J. Houshmandzadeh

12b. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – WR Iowa…..Unspectacular yet very steady performer who could become a Steve Smith (NYG) type of player as he has similar size, speed, and awareness

12c. Niles Paul – WR Nebraska……Intriguing physical specimen who appears to be a boom/bust type of proposition. Very good potential as a deep threat, Alvin Harper type playmaker. Pretty high ceiling.

Overall I like your list. Should be an interesting college season tracking these guys and seeing if the elite draft that many of us are projecting becomes a reality.

 

[kremenull]

DeMarco Murray-RB-Sooners May. 26 - 2:15 pm et

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops has high expectations for running back DeMarco Murray this fall. "I'd sure like to see him at 1,900 (yards rushing)," Stoops said.

There is no question that Murray has the talent to do it. Injuries and split carries have held him back in the past. This could be his year to explode.

Source: The Oklahoman

 

[Balco]

DeMarco Murray-RB-Sooners May. 26 - 2:15 pm et Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops has high expectations for running back DeMarco Murray this fall. "I'd sure like to see him at 1,900 (yards rushing)," Stoops said.There is no question that Murray has the talent to do it. Injuries and split carries have held him back in the past. This could be his year to explode.Source: The Oklahoman

Murray looked great as a freshman. And then the injuries hit. He did not even look draftable last year.

 

[Balco]

WRs

1. A.J. Green – WR Georgia…..Very fluid, natural hands catching WR. One of the Top 3-4 WR prospects over the last decade. Polished enough to make an immediate impact as a rookie, I’m talking 1,000 yd season.

2. Jonathan Baldwin – WR Pittsburgh….Huge WR, as in Calvin-esque, with tremendous athleticism and hands combo. If he can stay out of the police blotter, will be an NFL superstar.

3. Michael Floyd – WR Notre Dame…..Maybe the most talented of the crop, must stay focused and healthy.

4. Ronald Johnson – WR USC…….The best NFL WR prospect out of USC since, maybe Lynn Swann. Yeah, better than Keyshawn, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Damian Williams as I believe his game translates better to the next level.

5. Julio Jones – WR Alabama…..Very physical, talented WR who is a bit of an enigma. Maybe the system simply hasn’t allowed for him to truly blossom and match the hype of his H.S. legend

6. Chris Owusu – WR Stanford…..Remember the name as he could work his way up into the first round of the 2011 NFL draft. Very explosive player with the size to boot.

7. DeAndre Brown – WR Southern Miss….Working his way back off of a major injury (broken leg), but the size and athleticism are intriguing if he fully recovers to his Frosh level

8. DeVier Posey – WR Ohio St…..a bit inconsistent with his hands and sloppy route-running, but he possesses loads of talent

9. Greg Little – WR N.Carolina….In the mold of former Tar Heels Hakeem Nicks and Brooks Foster – strong, physical WRs with good hands who run well after the catch. Could rise up draft boards with a big season and offseason workouts

10. Terrance Toliver – WR LSU……an illustration of the depth of this WR class as Toliver probably would have been a 2nd Rd selection in the 2010 NFL draft, certainly ahead of all of the 3rd Rd selections like Shipley and former LSU Tiger LaFell

11. Jarrett Boykin – WR Virginia Tech…..A big-play guy with a very good size/athleticism combo. Should finally start to get some recognition during his Sr. season

12a. Austin Pettis – WR Boise St……fluid, rangy WR with some of the best hands around. Not overly athletic, but plays eerily similar to T.J. Houshmandzadeh

12b. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – WR Iowa…..Unspectacular yet very steady performer who could become a Steve Smith (NYG) type of player as he has similar size, speed, and awareness

12c. Niles Paul – WR Nebraska……Intriguing physical specimen who appears to be a boom/bust type of proposition. Very good potential as a deep threat, Alvin Harper type playmaker. Pretty high ceiling.

Austin Pettis is way to low. Very good wide receiver. And I think Niles Paul should be off the list. Not impressed at all.

 

[kremenull]

WRs

1. A.J. Green – WR Georgia…..Very fluid, natural hands catching WR. One of the Top 3-4 WR prospects over the last decade. Polished enough to make an immediate impact as a rookie, I’m talking 1,000 yd season.

2. Jonathan Baldwin – WR Pittsburgh….Huge WR, as in Calvin-esque, with tremendous athleticism and hands combo. If he can stay out of the police blotter, will be an NFL superstar.

3. Michael Floyd – WR Notre Dame…..Maybe the most talented of the crop, must stay focused and healthy.

4. Ronald Johnson – WR USC…….The best NFL WR prospect out of USC since, maybe Lynn Swann. Yeah, better than Keyshawn, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Damian Williams as I believe his game translates better to the next level.

5. Julio Jones – WR Alabama…..Very physical, talented WR who is a bit of an enigma. Maybe the system simply hasn’t allowed for him to truly blossom and match the hype of his H.S. legend

6. Chris Owusu – WR Stanford…..Remember the name as he could work his way up into the first round of the 2011 NFL draft. Very explosive player with the size to boot.

7. DeAndre Brown – WR Southern Miss….Working his way back off of a major injury (broken leg), but the size and athleticism are intriguing if he fully recovers to his Frosh level

8. DeVier Posey – WR Ohio St…..a bit inconsistent with his hands and sloppy route-running, but he possesses loads of talent

9. Greg Little – WR N.Carolina….In the mold of former Tar Heels Hakeem Nicks and Brooks Foster – strong, physical WRs with good hands who run well after the catch. Could rise up draft boards with a big season and offseason workouts

10. Terrance Toliver – WR LSU……an illustration of the depth of this WR class as Toliver probably would have been a 2nd Rd selection in the 2010 NFL draft, certainly ahead of all of the 3rd Rd selections like Shipley and former LSU Tiger LaFell

11. Jarrett Boykin – WR Virginia Tech…..A big-play guy with a very good size/athleticism combo. Should finally start to get some recognition during his Sr. season

12a. Austin Pettis – WR Boise St……fluid, rangy WR with some of the best hands around. Not overly athletic, but plays eerily similar to T.J. Houshmandzadeh

12b. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – WR Iowa…..Unspectacular yet very steady performer who could become a Steve Smith (NYG) type of player as he has similar size, speed, and awareness

12c. Niles Paul – WR Nebraska……Intriguing physical specimen who appears to be a boom/bust type of proposition. Very good potential as a deep threat, Alvin Harper type playmaker. Pretty high ceiling.

Austin Pettis is way to low. Very good wide receiver. And I think Niles Paul should be off the list. Not impressed at all.

Pettis may be too low right now in your estimation because it's such a deep WR crop....Some guys on this list or not even on this list may creep up (or down) a bit as the evaluation process continues. Again, this is May and the next draft is roughly 11 months away, an eternity. I like Pettis too, but the guys ahead of him on this list aren't too shabby themselves. Binns, who many people are pretty high on, simply doesn't impress me. Those Bearcat players appear to be system players, IMO.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Going into next season, my plan is to try to TiVo as many games as I can of these guys so I can "study" more closely and see how they've progressed since last year:

Mark Ingram

Ryan Williams

Jacquizz Rodgers

Daniel Thomas

Michael Floyd

A.J. Green

Julio Jones

Jonathan Baldwin

DeAndre Brown

Kyle Rudolph

 

[gump]

Not sure how many WR make it, but Green and Jones were named Playboy All-Americans today.

 

[kremenull]

Not sure how many WR make it, but Green and Jones were named Playboy All-Americans today.

Thanks for the info. But historically, Playboy (Pre-season) All-American lists are usually 'name' lists. They simply select the players with the most visibility (i.e., hype) and call 'em All-Americans. Jones fits that description here. Great honor for those who are selected, but for fantasy purposes, All-American status means very little. I'm most concerned with who is likely to be the better pro. Same with the Heisman and most other college awards, great for the kid, but a lot of it is based on exposure and hype. Right now I have a guy like Baldwin rated well ahead of Julio Jones as NFL prospects. And don't see that changing barring some major unforseen turn of event(s).

 

[Steed]

Not sure why so many like Baldwin. He isn't particularly fast, only has build-up speed, and rounds off a lotta routes. He wins a lotta jump balls because of his size, but he's supposed to do that he's 6'5"!

 

[doowain]

WRs

1. A.J. Green – WR Georgia…..Very fluid, natural hands catching WR. One of the Top 3-4 WR prospects over the last decade. Polished enough to make an immediate impact as a rookie, I’m talking 1,000 yd season.

2. Jonathan Baldwin – WR Pittsburgh….Huge WR, as in Calvin-esque, with tremendous athleticism and hands combo. If he can stay out of the police blotter, will be an NFL superstar.

3. Michael Floyd – WR Notre Dame…..Maybe the most talented of the crop, must stay focused and healthy.

4. Ronald Johnson – WR USC…….The best NFL WR prospect out of USC since, maybe Lynn Swann. Yeah, better than Keyshawn, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Damian Williams as I believe his game translates better to the next level.

5. Julio Jones – WR Alabama…..Very physical, talented WR who is a bit of an enigma. Maybe the system simply hasn’t allowed for him to truly blossom and match the hype of his H.S. legend

6. Chris Owusu – WR Stanford…..Remember the name as he could work his way up into the first round of the 2011 NFL draft. Very explosive player with the size to boot.

7. DeAndre Brown – WR Southern Miss….Working his way back off of a major injury (broken leg), but the size and athleticism are intriguing if he fully recovers to his Frosh level

8. DeVier Posey – WR Ohio St…..a bit inconsistent with his hands and sloppy route-running, but he possesses loads of talent

9. Greg Little – WR N.Carolina….In the mold of former Tar Heels Hakeem Nicks and Brooks Foster – strong, physical WRs with good hands who run well after the catch. Could rise up draft boards with a big season and offseason workouts

10. Terrance Toliver – WR LSU……an illustration of the depth of this WR class as Toliver probably would have been a 2nd Rd selection in the 2010 NFL draft, certainly ahead of all of the 3rd Rd selections like Shipley and former LSU Tiger LaFell

11. Jarrett Boykin – WR Virginia Tech…..A big-play guy with a very good size/athleticism combo. Should finally start to get some recognition during his Sr. season

12a. Austin Pettis – WR Boise St……fluid, rangy WR with some of the best hands around. Not overly athletic, but plays eerily similar to T.J. Houshmandzadeh

12b. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – WR Iowa…..Unspectacular yet very steady performer who could become a Steve Smith (NYG) type of player as he has similar size, speed, and awareness

12c. Niles Paul – WR Nebraska……Intriguing physical specimen who appears to be a boom/bust type of proposition. Very good potential as a deep threat, Alvin Harper type playmaker. Pretty high ceiling.

Austin Pettis is way to low. Very good wide receiver. And I think Niles Paul should be off the list. Not impressed at all.

Pettis may be too low right now in your estimation because it's such a deep WR crop....Some guys on this list or not even on this list may creep up (or down) a bit as the evaluation process continues. Again, this is May and the next draft is roughly 11 months away, an eternity. I like Pettis too, but the guys ahead of him on this list aren't too shabby themselves. Binns, who many people are pretty high on, simply doesn't impress me. Those Bearcat players appear to be system players, IMO.

System players? Really? UC isn't Texas Tech, man. What players can you point to and make that accusation?You say Binns doesn't impress you. I'm assuming that's because you haven't seen much of him. There isn't a lot of tape (read: YouTube video :rofl out there of him.

 

[kremenull]

WRs

1. A.J. Green – WR Georgia…..Very fluid, natural hands catching WR. One of the Top 3-4 WR prospects over the last decade. Polished enough to make an immediate impact as a rookie, I’m talking 1,000 yd season.

2. Jonathan Baldwin – WR Pittsburgh….Huge WR, as in Calvin-esque, with tremendous athleticism and hands combo. If he can stay out of the police blotter, will be an NFL superstar.

3. Michael Floyd – WR Notre Dame…..Maybe the most talented of the crop, must stay focused and healthy.

4. Ronald Johnson – WR USC…….The best NFL WR prospect out of USC since, maybe Lynn Swann. Yeah, better than Keyshawn, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Damian Williams as I believe his game translates better to the next level.

5. Julio Jones – WR Alabama…..Very physical, talented WR who is a bit of an enigma. Maybe the system simply hasn’t allowed for him to truly blossom and match the hype of his H.S. legend

6. Chris Owusu – WR Stanford…..Remember the name as he could work his way up into the first round of the 2011 NFL draft. Very explosive player with the size to boot.

7. DeAndre Brown – WR Southern Miss….Working his way back off of a major injury (broken leg), but the size and athleticism are intriguing if he fully recovers to his Frosh level

8. DeVier Posey – WR Ohio St…..a bit inconsistent with his hands and sloppy route-running, but he possesses loads of talent

9. Greg Little – WR N.Carolina….In the mold of former Tar Heels Hakeem Nicks and Brooks Foster – strong, physical WRs with good hands who run well after the catch. Could rise up draft boards with a big season and offseason workouts

10. Terrance Toliver – WR LSU……an illustration of the depth of this WR class as Toliver probably would have been a 2nd Rd selection in the 2010 NFL draft, certainly ahead of all of the 3rd Rd selections like Shipley and former LSU Tiger LaFell

11. Jarrett Boykin – WR Virginia Tech…..A big-play guy with a very good size/athleticism combo. Should finally start to get some recognition during his Sr. season

12a. Austin Pettis – WR Boise St……fluid, rangy WR with some of the best hands around. Not overly athletic, but plays eerily similar to T.J. Houshmandzadeh

12b. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – WR Iowa…..Unspectacular yet very steady performer who could become a Steve Smith (NYG) type of player as he has similar size, speed, and awareness

12c. Niles Paul – WR Nebraska……Intriguing physical specimen who appears to be a boom/bust type of proposition. Very good potential as a deep threat, Alvin Harper type playmaker. Pretty high ceiling.

Austin Pettis is way to low. Very good wide receiver. And I think Niles Paul should be off the list. Not impressed at all.

Pettis may be too low right now in your estimation because it's such a deep WR crop....Some guys on this list or not even on this list may creep up (or down) a bit as the evaluation process continues. Again, this is May and the next draft is roughly 11 months away, an eternity. I like Pettis too, but the guys ahead of him on this list aren't too shabby themselves. Binns, who many people are pretty high on, simply doesn't impress me. Those Bearcat players appear to be system players, IMO.

System players? Really? UC isn't Texas Tech, man. What players can you point to and make that accusation?You say Binns doesn't impress you. I'm assuming that's because you haven't seen much of him. There isn't a lot of tape (read: YouTube video :rofl out there of him.

Let's see, UC system players. Tony Pike, Gilyard, and now Binns. Let's see, RBs.........oh, you haven't had any worth mentioning. Not impressed with the talent coming out of the program, definitely not upper-echelon. Fellow Big East programs like Pitt, W.Virginia, maybe even UConn and Syracuse (yikes!) are producing much better pro prospects than Cincy, IMO. Let me just add that I don't have to see a lot of a player to make a pretty good initial report. I focus on my keys for the particular position and check out some clips, AND game(s) of the player. When I delve a little further into the evaluation, then I'll watch additional clips and/or games, but for the most part, I form my opinions on players based on historical player comps and key traits. Binns is a dime-a-dozen talent the likes of which come into the league every year and fight for roster spots.

Hey, I could be wrong. I'd actually like for him to prove me wrong as it will increase the available talent pool for next year. As of now, I'm not including him in that pool of players I'd covet.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

WRs

1. A.J. Green – WR Georgia…..Very fluid, natural hands catching WR. One of the Top 3-4 WR prospects over the last decade. Polished enough to make an immediate impact as a rookie, I’m talking 1,000 yd season.

2. Jonathan Baldwin – WR Pittsburgh….Huge WR, as in Calvin-esque, with tremendous athleticism and hands combo. If he can stay out of the police blotter, will be an NFL superstar.

3. Michael Floyd – WR Notre Dame…..Maybe the most talented of the crop, must stay focused and healthy.

4. Ronald Johnson – WR USC…….The best NFL WR prospect out of USC since, maybe Lynn Swann. Yeah, better than Keyshawn, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, and Damian Williams as I believe his game translates better to the next level.

5. Julio Jones – WR Alabama…..Very physical, talented WR who is a bit of an enigma. Maybe the system simply hasn’t allowed for him to truly blossom and match the hype of his H.S. legend

6. Chris Owusu – WR Stanford…..Remember the name as he could work his way up into the first round of the 2011 NFL draft. Very explosive player with the size to boot.

7. DeAndre Brown – WR Southern Miss….Working his way back off of a major injury (broken leg), but the size and athleticism are intriguing if he fully recovers to his Frosh level

8. DeVier Posey – WR Ohio St…..a bit inconsistent with his hands and sloppy route-running, but he possesses loads of talent

9. Greg Little – WR N.Carolina….In the mold of former Tar Heels Hakeem Nicks and Brooks Foster – strong, physical WRs with good hands who run well after the catch. Could rise up draft boards with a big season and offseason workouts

10. Terrance Toliver – WR LSU……an illustration of the depth of this WR class as Toliver probably would have been a 2nd Rd selection in the 2010 NFL draft, certainly ahead of all of the 3rd Rd selections like Shipley and former LSU Tiger LaFell

11. Jarrett Boykin – WR Virginia Tech…..A big-play guy with a very good size/athleticism combo. Should finally start to get some recognition during his Sr. season

12a. Austin Pettis – WR Boise St……fluid, rangy WR with some of the best hands around. Not overly athletic, but plays eerily similar to T.J. Houshmandzadeh

12b. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – WR Iowa…..Unspectacular yet very steady performer who could become a Steve Smith (NYG) type of player as he has similar size, speed, and awareness

12c. Niles Paul – WR Nebraska……Intriguing physical specimen who appears to be a boom/bust type of proposition. Very good potential as a deep threat, Alvin Harper type playmaker. Pretty high ceiling.

Austin Pettis is way to low. Very good wide receiver. And I think Niles Paul should be off the list. Not impressed at all.

Pettis may be too low right now in your estimation because it's such a deep WR crop....Some guys on this list or not even on this list may creep up (or down) a bit as the evaluation process continues. Again, this is May and the next draft is roughly 11 months away, an eternity. I like Pettis too, but the guys ahead of him on this list aren't too shabby themselves. Binns, who many people are pretty high on, simply doesn't impress me. Those Bearcat players appear to be system players, IMO.

System players? Really? UC isn't Texas Tech, man. What players can you point to and make that accusation?You say Binns doesn't impress you. I'm assuming that's because you haven't seen much of him. There isn't a lot of tape (read: YouTube video :rofl out there of him.

Let's see, UC system players. Tony Pike, Gilyard, and now Binns. Let's see, RBs.........oh, you haven't had any worth mentioning. Not impressed with the talent coming out of the program, definitely not upper-echelon. Fellow Big East programs like Pitt, W.Virginia, maybe even UConn and Syracuse (yikes!) are producing much better pro prospects than Cincy, IMO. Let me just add that I don't have to see a lot of players to make a pretty good initial report. I focus on my keys for the particular position and check out some clips, AND game(s) of the player. When I delve a little further into the evaluation, then I'll watch additional clips and/or games, but for the most part, I form my opinions on players based on historical player comps and key traits. Binns is a dime-a-dozen talent the likes of which come into the league every year and fight for roster spots.

Hey, I could be wrong. I'd actually like for him to prove me wrong as it will increase the available talent pool for next year. As of now, I'm not including him in that pool of players I'd covet.

How can you call them system players when they have yet to have a chance to perform at the pro level? If we had a long history of Cincy players putting up big numbers and then doing nothing in the pros I would buy that argument. Texas Tech QB's are system players. Hawaii WR's are system players. Cincy players are not on that level yet. Also Binns is not a dime a dozen talent. Whether he becomes a good pro or not is still up for debate, but players like him are not a dime a dozen.

 

[Stewy]

What are the thoughts on Chris Polk, RB, Washington?

He has ideal size, put up nice numbers last year, and his scouting report reads exactly how you'd want it to; yet I see no mention of him. Being in Texas I don't get a chance to see him play, so maybe I'm missing something.

 

[kremenull]

Not sure why so many like Baldwin. He isn't particularly fast, only has build-up speed, and rounds off a lotta routes. He wins a lotta jump balls because of his size, but he's supposed to do that he's 6'5"!

Well, you just gave part of the reason why I like him so much. Being able to rise above the crowd and snatch balls in coverage is of utmost importance in the NFL as opposed to college since coverage is tighter in the NFL. Being able to catch balls that are high or low or behind or in front (or catch radius, if you will) is one of Baldwin's best assets as he has very good hands and body control, IMO. Although not a burner, he's certainly got more than enough speed for a player his size as he is able to get upfield and make big plays as evidenced by his high yards-per-catch. All of that route-running stuff is correctible, a lack of natural talent is not, which he has in spades.

 

[doowain]

Pettis may be too low right now in your estimation because it's such a deep WR crop....Some guys on this list or not even on this list may creep up (or down) a bit as the evaluation process continues. Again, this is May and the next draft is roughly 11 months away, an eternity. I like Pettis too, but the guys ahead of him on this list aren't too shabby themselves.

Binns, who many people are pretty high on, simply doesn't impress me. Those Bearcat players appear to be system players, IMO.

System players? Really? UC isn't Texas Tech, man. What players can you point to and make that accusation?You say Binns doesn't impress you. I'm assuming that's because you haven't seen much of him. There isn't a lot of tape (read: YouTube video :rofl out there of him.

Let's see, UC system players. Tony Pike, Gilyard, and now Binns. Let's see, RBs.........oh, you haven't had any worth mentioning. Not impressed with the talent coming out of the program, definitely not upper-echelon. Fellow Big East programs like Pitt, W.Virginia, maybe even UConn and Syracuse (yikes!) are producing much better pro prospects than Cincy, IMO. Let me just add that I don't have to see a lot of players to make a pretty good initial report. I focus on my keys for the particular position and check out some clips, AND game(s) of the player. When I delve a little further into the evaluation, then I'll watch additional clips and/or games, but for the most part, I form my opinions on players based on historical player comps and key traits. Binns is a dime-a-dozen talent the likes of which come into the league every year and fight for roster spots.

Hey, I could be wrong. I'd actually like for him to prove me wrong as it will increase the available talent pool for next year. As of now, I'm not including him in that pool of players I'd covet.

How can you call them system players when they have yet to have a chance to perform at the pro level? If we had a long history of Cincy players putting up big numbers and then doing nothing in the pros I would buy that argument. Texas Tech QB's are system players. Hawaii WR's are system players. Cincy players are not on that level yet. Also Binns is not a dime a dozen talent. Whether he becomes a good pro or not is still up for debate, but players like him are not a dime a dozen.

That's what I was wondering myself. How can you label them system players when they haven't even played an NFL snap?FWIW, Gilyard was very highly touted prior to the combine (as high as 1st round projection). His 40 time destroyed his draft stock, but he was still the 1st pick in the 4th round. Cincy simply doesn't have the histoy behind their football program that your elite schools do. They've really only been relevant the last 5 years (which is coincidentally when they joined the Big East). So, for you to compare them to tenured Big East schools as far as historical talent....that's not fair. They are still the new kids on the block and, even so, have won the last two Big East titles (just sayin).

It's funny to me that you can label someone a "dime a dozen" talent when you've, admittedly, seen a microscopic amount of film on him.

6'4

200lbs

4.54 40

61/888/11 in first year as starter

5/104/1 vs. Pitt in Big East Championship (including game winning TD)

That doesn't spell dime a dozen to me. His red zone skills are phenomenal. His game reminds me of a mix between Chris Henry (minus the personal baggage) and Sidney Rice (who ran a 4.53). The way he goes up for the ball in traffic is certainly elite IMO.

ETA: Sidney and Binns also have eerily similar body size.

6'4/200 - Binns Pic of Binns

6'4/202 - Rice Pic of Rice

 

[Don Quixote]

What are the thoughts on Chris Polk, RB, Washington?He has ideal size, put up nice numbers last year, and his scouting report reads exactly how you'd want it to; yet I see no mention of him. Being in Texas I don't get a chance to see him play, so maybe I'm missing something.

He came into college with Reggie Bush comparisons. He runs in a zone blocking scheme at Washington, and I think would be a good fit in the NFL in that kind of scheme.

 

[kremenull]

Pettis may be too low right now in your estimation because it's such a deep WR crop....Some guys on this list or not even on this list may creep up (or down) a bit as the evaluation process continues. Again, this is May and the next draft is roughly 11 months away, an eternity. I like Pettis too, but the guys ahead of him on this list aren't too shabby themselves.

Binns, who many people are pretty high on, simply doesn't impress me. Those Bearcat players appear to be system players, IMO.

System players? Really? UC isn't Texas Tech, man. What players can you point to and make that accusation?You say Binns doesn't impress you. I'm assuming that's because you haven't seen much of him. There isn't a lot of tape (read: YouTube video :rofl out there of him.

Let's see, UC system players. Tony Pike, Gilyard, and now Binns. Let's see, RBs.........oh, you haven't had any worth mentioning. Not impressed with the talent coming out of the program, definitely not upper-echelon. Fellow Big East programs like Pitt, W.Virginia, maybe even UConn and Syracuse (yikes!) are producing much better pro prospects than Cincy, IMO. Let me just add that I don't have to see a lot of players to make a pretty good initial report. I focus on my keys for the particular position and check out some clips, AND game(s) of the player. When I delve a little further into the evaluation, then I'll watch additional clips and/or games, but for the most part, I form my opinions on players based on historical player comps and key traits. Binns is a dime-a-dozen talent the likes of which come into the league every year and fight for roster spots.

Hey, I could be wrong. I'd actually like for him to prove me wrong as it will increase the available talent pool for next year. As of now, I'm not including him in that pool of players I'd covet.

How can you call them system players when they have yet to have a chance to perform at the pro level? If we had a long history of Cincy players putting up big numbers and then doing nothing in the pros I would buy that argument. Texas Tech QB's are system players. Hawaii WR's are system players. Cincy players are not on that level yet. Also Binns is not a dime a dozen talent. Whether he becomes a good pro or not is still up for debate, but players like him are not a dime a dozen.

That's what I was wondering myself. How can you label them system players when they haven't even played an NFL snap?FWIW, Gilyard was very highly touted prior to the combine (as high as 1st round projection). His 40 time destroyed his draft stock, but he was still the 1st pick in the 4th round. Cincy simply doesn't have the histoy behind their football program that your elite schools do. They've really only been relevant the last 5 years (which is coincidentally when they joined the Big East). So, for you to compare them to tenured Big East schools as far as historical talent....that's not fair. They are still the new kids on the block and, even so, have won the last two Big East titles (just sayin).

It's funny to me that you can label someone a "dime a dozen" talent when you've, admittedly, seen a microscopic amount of film on him.

6'4

200lbs

4.54 40

61/888/11 in first year as starter

5/104/1 vs. Pitt in Big East Championship (including game winning TD)

That doesn't spell dime a dozen to me. His red zone skills are phenomenal. His game reminds me of a mix between Chris Henry (minus the personal baggage) and Sidney Rice (who ran a 4.53). The way he goes up for the ball in traffic is certainly elite IMO.

ETA: Sidney and Binns also have eerily similar body size.

6'4/200 - Binns Pic of Binns

6'4/202 - Rice Pic of Rice

Yeah, Dez Briscoe put up numbers in college as well.....I evaluate the talent not the stats. UConn is not a traditional powerhouse, and I put their talent level above Cincy. Winning a league championship doesn't equate to having marquee NFL talent on campus. Some teams are Senior laden and can put together a complete, competitive team to beat other more physically talented yet inexperienced teams.....Js sayin'

So what happened when Cincy stepped up in competition for their latest Bowl game? They looked like D-IAA vs. Florida, the athletic disparity was alarming all across the board.......Binns, Gilyard, Pike, etc., all looked mediocre, nobody stood out as a real player to me in that game.......

 

[Don Quixote]

Yeah, Dez Briscoe put up numbers in college as well.....I evaluate the talent not the stats. UConn is not a traditional powerhouse, and I put their talent level above Cincy. Winning a league championship doesn't equate to having marquee NFL talent on campus. Some teams are Senior laden and can put together a complete, competitive team to beat other more physically talented yet inexperienced teams.....Js sayin'So what happened when Cincy stepped up in competition for their latest Bowl game? They looked like D-IAA vs. Florida, the athletic disparity was alarming all across the board.......Binns, Gilyard, Pike, etc., all looked mediocre, nobody stood out as a real player to me in that game.......

I don't think the Florida game is the best one to judge Cincy's talents on. It wasn't just that Cincy faced higher competition that game, Kelly had left and the team was in complete disarray.

 

[JohnnyU]

How can you call them system players when they have yet to have a chance to perform at the pro level?

Believe it or not there are college systems that make WRs look better than what they really are, or will be / might be in the NFL.

 

[kremenull]

Yeah, Dez Briscoe put up numbers in college as well.....I evaluate the talent not the stats. UConn is not a traditional powerhouse, and I put their talent level above Cincy. Winning a league championship doesn't equate to having marquee NFL talent on campus. Some teams are Senior laden and can put together a complete, competitive team to beat other more physically talented yet inexperienced teams.....Js sayin'So what happened when Cincy stepped up in competition for their latest Bowl game? They looked like D-IAA vs. Florida, the athletic disparity was alarming all across the board.......Binns, Gilyard, Pike, etc., all looked mediocre, nobody stood out as a real player to me in that game.......

I don't think the Florida game is the best one to judge Cincy's talents on. It wasn't just that Cincy faced higher competition that game, Kelly had left and the team was in complete disarray.

It will not be that one game that validates my case. It will be their players' performance when they transition to the NFL. I've evaluated their talents, individually, as well as how they've played in that system, and I'm not that impressed with any of their top players that have been mentioned. As far as Gilyard being mentioned as a top prospect, let me just state for the record that I never was in that camp. Sure, there are plenty of other system type teams out there and every system team can also have some good players, e.g., Crabtree out of Texas Tech, but in this case, I don't see a Crabtree in the fold at Cincy. Nothing personal towards anyone's alma mater, but I don't play favorites, I just call 'em how I see 'em. Is anyone trying to state a case for this guy (Binns) being amongst the elite? And let me make this final statement here regarding Binns, he's nowhere close to as good as Sidney Rice! Doesn't have the fluidity (or body control) nor the leaping ability.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

How can you call them system players when they have yet to have a chance to perform at the pro level?

Believe it or not there are college systems that make WRs look better than what they really are, or will be / might be in the NFL.

I am aware of that. My point being until they play a down in the NFL how can anyone reasonably determine whether we are talking about Michael Crabtree or Joel Filani?

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Yeah, Dez Briscoe put up numbers in college as well.....I evaluate the talent not the stats. UConn is not a traditional powerhouse, and I put their talent level above Cincy. Winning a league championship doesn't equate to having marquee NFL talent on campus. Some teams are Senior laden and can put together a complete, competitive team to beat other more physically talented yet inexperienced teams.....Js sayin'So what happened when Cincy stepped up in competition for their latest Bowl game? They looked like D-IAA vs. Florida, the athletic disparity was alarming all across the board.......Binns, Gilyard, Pike, etc., all looked mediocre, nobody stood out as a real player to me in that game.......

I don't think the Florida game is the best one to judge Cincy's talents on. It wasn't just that Cincy faced higher competition that game, Kelly had left and the team was in complete disarray.

It will not be that one game that validates my case. It will be their players' performance when they transition to the NFL. I've evaluated their talents, individually, as well as how they've played in that system, and I'm not that impressed with any of their top players that have been mentioned. As far as Gilyard being mentioned as a top prospect, let me just state for the record that I never was in that camp. Sure, there are plenty of other system type teams out there and every system team can also have some good players, e.g., Crabtree out of Texas Tech, but in this case, I don't see a Crabtree in the fold at Cincy. Nothing personal towards anyone's alma mater, but I don't play favorites, I just call 'em how I see 'em. Is anyone trying to state a case for this guy (Binns) being amongst the elite? And let me make this final statement here regarding Binns, he's nowhere close to as good as Sidney Rice! Doesn't have the fluidity (or body control) nor the leaping ability.

For the record I don't in anyway think Binns is the next Sidney Rice. I just think some are quick to dismiss players because of the system they play in, without evaluating the player himself. Somehow Sam Bradford went #1 overall, yet Jason White and Josh Heupul were afterthoughts. Crabtree went #10 overall, no other Tech receiver even came close to that. I tend to think Gilyard was more of a system player, a guy whose strengths played well in the college game but doesn't have the skills to be a successful pro. Binns, on the other hand, has shown me some skills and I think he has NFL potential.

 

[doowain]

Yeah, Dez Briscoe put up numbers in college as well.....I evaluate the talent not the stats. UConn is not a traditional powerhouse, and I put their talent level above Cincy. Winning a league championship doesn't equate to having marquee NFL talent on campus. Some teams are Senior laden and can put together a complete, competitive team to beat other more physically talented yet inexperienced teams.....Js sayin'So what happened when Cincy stepped up in competition for their latest Bowl game? They looked like D-IAA vs. Florida, the athletic disparity was alarming all across the board.......Binns, Gilyard, Pike, etc., all looked mediocre, nobody stood out as a real player to me in that game.......

I don't think the Florida game is the best one to judge Cincy's talents on. It wasn't just that Cincy faced higher competition that game, Kelly had left and the team was in complete disarray.

This.And to compare them to the Florida Gators....come on. The Gators had won 2 of the last 3 National Titles and play in the best conference in CF. I'm not putting UC on that pedestal, but they are certainly a LOT better than you are giving them credit for. They were mired in the C-USA forever and just moved to the Big East 5 years ago. Finally given some recruitability given the exposure of the conference, they have won 2 of 5 possible Big East titles. You aren't giving credit where credit is due. You need to get your facts straight. Cincy only had two starters on offense that were seniors last year. Pike and Gilyard. The year before that....GUESS WHAT?!?! They were juniors. So, your "Seniors beating up on underclassmen" is garbage.Btw, Brent Celek played for UC. Is he a system TE?

 

[doowain]

Yeah, Dez Briscoe put up numbers in college as well.....I evaluate the talent not the stats.

UConn is not a traditional powerhouse, and I put their talent level above Cincy. Winning a league championship doesn't equate to having marquee NFL talent on campus. Some teams are Senior laden and can put together a complete, competitive team to beat other more physically talented yet inexperienced teams.....Js sayin'

So what happened when Cincy stepped up in competition for their latest Bowl game? They looked like D-IAA vs. Florida, the athletic disparity was alarming all across the board.......Binns, Gilyard, Pike, etc., all looked mediocre, nobody stood out as a real player to me in that game.......

I don't think the Florida game is the best one to judge Cincy's talents on. It wasn't just that Cincy faced higher competition that game, Kelly had left and the team was in complete disarray.

It will not be that one game that validates my case. It will be their players' performance when they transition to the NFL. I've evaluated their talents, individually, as well as how they've played in that system, and I'm not that impressed with any of their top players that have been mentioned. As far as Gilyard being mentioned as a top prospect, let me just state for the record that I never was in that camp. Sure, there are plenty of other system type teams out there and every system team can also have some good players, e.g., Crabtree out of Texas Tech, but in this case, I don't see a Crabtree in the fold at Cincy. Nothing personal towards anyone's alma mater, but I don't play favorites, I just call 'em how I see 'em. Is anyone trying to state a case for this guy (Binns) being amongst the elite? And let me make this final statement here regarding Binns, he's nowhere close to as good as Sidney Rice! Doesn't have the fluidity (or body control) nor the leaping ability.

Granted, it's only Senior Rankings, but Kiper did.As far as comparing him to Sidney Rice....I'm not saying he's on Rice's level. I'm just saying he has similarities in his game that remind me of Rice (leaping ability, hands in traffic). But most obviously, his build/size.

 

[kremenull]

Yeah, Dez Briscoe put up numbers in college as well.....I evaluate the talent not the stats.

UConn is not a traditional powerhouse, and I put their talent level above Cincy. Winning a league championship doesn't equate to having marquee NFL talent on campus. Some teams are Senior laden and can put together a complete, competitive team to beat other more physically talented yet inexperienced teams.....Js sayin'

So what happened when Cincy stepped up in competition for their latest Bowl game? They looked like D-IAA vs. Florida, the athletic disparity was alarming all across the board.......Binns, Gilyard, Pike, etc., all looked mediocre, nobody stood out as a real player to me in that game.......

I don't think the Florida game is the best one to judge Cincy's talents on. It wasn't just that Cincy faced higher competition that game, Kelly had left and the team was in complete disarray.

This.And to compare them to the Florida Gators....come on. The Gators had won 2 of the last 3 National Titles and play in the best conference in CF. I'm not putting UC on that pedestal, but they are certainly a LOT better than you are giving them credit for. They were mired in the C-USA forever and just moved to the Big East 5 years ago. Finally given some recruitability given the exposure of the conference, they have won 2 of 5 possible Big East titles. You aren't giving credit where credit is due. You need to get your facts straight. Cincy only had two starters on offense that were seniors last year. Pike and Gilyard. The year before that....GUESS WHAT?!?! They were juniors. So, your "Seniors beating up on underclassmen" is garbage.

Btw, Brent Celek played for UC. Is he a system TE?

And your point is?.......Brent Celek, big deal. Is that the best you can do? What was he, a 4th or 5th Rd pick? Yeah, this may not be factual as well, just a guess based on his talent level. Maybe your program's credibility left out the door to South Bend? But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL. To borrow the monikor from a fellow respected league mate.......FOLLOW ME!......

Let's keep score from this point, OK? My initial rankings list is already out, so put yours up when you're ready and then we can have a contest later (Mock Draft style, player grade style, fantasy rookie draft style, whatever you want).

So you are admitting that Cincy was in over their heads vs Florida, right? How about that whooping that Utah laid on Alabama in a Bowl Game. Did they cry when they had to face the Big Boys? No, they "knuckled-up" and went out there and displayed their underrated talent.

I'm not going to keep going in circles with you on this as you obviously have some homerism at play here. I'll just continue to update my ranks, and I'd advise that you FOLLOW ME!......

 

[EBF]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL.

 

[Don Quixote]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL. To borrow the monikor from a fellow respected league mate.......FOLLOW ME!......

I'm glad I did not follow your Steve Slaton over Chris Johnson prediction last year...link

 

[Glaven]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL.

Really? Saying stuff like Josh Morgan > Michael Crabtree. Steve Slaton > Chris Johnson. QBs like Pat White, Mike Vick, Tim Tebow, and the "Chosen One" will quite possibly change the game as we see it today, or should I say "revolutionize" the position of QB, at least modify and/or expand the current traditional QB role over the next few years.And having a 2008 top 10 dynasty RB rankings that included Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Darren McFadden, Marshawn Lynch, Marion Barber, and Matt Forte paints a different picture.

 

[kremenull]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL.

I didn't stutter.....Check the 20xx Prospects Thread or Mocks that have posted in here (i.e., Resume)Jahvid Best, Mathews, DeSean, Stewart, Hardesty, Gresham, Beanie, Felix, Keller, Forte (still hasn't disappointed in PPR), Jamaal Charles, Meachem, Maclin, Sanchez, Flacco, Finley, Rodgers, Golden Tate......have all been pimped by me very earlyGuys I never liked who the masses thought were possibly elite or top talents.....Moreno, Kev. Smith, Julius Jones, Gilyard, RoyalSame period some of the prospects Kremenull missed on (early).....McFadden, Dez (early, but I'm making up for it now...... ), CJ4.24 (I didn't believe initially), Slaton (maybe), Malcolm Kelly (maybe, we'll see)Let me clarify one thing, being lukewarm on a player doesn't mean that you missed on the evaluation of his talent.My next non-consensus prediction - Over the long haul, Ben Tate will disappoint and Hardesty will thrive. Man, this season can't come fast enough as you guys don't have much to contribute to these threads, do ya?...... So back to the purpose of the thread, 2011 Draft Class....Latest Trends The 2011 QB Class could be one of the best in years......but only if Luck and a few others declare. Luck will be the #1 overall NFL draft pick in 2011, a monster season is in store.The 2011 RB class will be on par with 2009 but a notch below 2010 and nowhere near 2008....not a very good class overall with possibly only 1 true superstar (Ingram).....The 2011 WR class still looks to be slightly better than 2009, IMO, which is saying a whole lot as that 2009 class is deep and very talented. I give the edge because I'm predicting that at least 2-3 WRs from the 2011 class will be as good OR better than any of the 2009 WRs......Yes, this includes Golden Boy, Double-Biletnikoff Awardee Crabtree...What U Got???....

 

[kremenull]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL. To borrow the monikor from a fellow respected league mate.......FOLLOW ME!......

I'm glad I did not follow your Steve Slaton over Chris Johnson prediction last year...link

Yep, you would have lost big my friend.....Unless you also drafted/acquired the likes of Aaron Rodgers, DeSean, Meachem, Sidney Rice, Sims-Walker, and Jamaal Charles all at super values like I did...then you still would have done well.....FOLLOW ME!...Man, you guys are too funny.....and easy to rattle....

 

[kremenull]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL.

Really? Saying stuff like Josh Morgan > Michael Crabtree. Steve Slaton > Chris Johnson. QBs like Pat White, Mike Vick, Tim Tebow, and the "Chosen One" will quite possibly change the game as we see it today, or should I say "revolutionize" the position of QB, at least modify and/or expand the current traditional QB role over the next few years.And having a 2008 top 10 dynasty RB rankings that included Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Darren McFadden, Marshawn Lynch, Marion Barber, and Matt Forte paints a different picture.

Do you want to add something to this topic? Or are you just trolling 'cause you don't have any input on the subject. Before you step into my arena my friend, be very prepared. You probably couldn't survive more than a year in any of my leagues 'cause the moment you encountered some adversity, you'd quit.....I can finish last in a dynasty and quickly build a dominant team for years on end.......FOLLOW ME!But please, get back on topic guys.....CONTRIBUTE DON'T POLLUTE!

 

[Glaven]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL.

Really? Saying stuff like Josh Morgan > Michael Crabtree. Steve Slaton > Chris Johnson. QBs like Pat White, Mike Vick, Tim Tebow, and the "Chosen One" will quite possibly change the game as we see it today, or should I say "revolutionize" the position of QB, at least modify and/or expand the current traditional QB role over the next few years.And having a 2008 top 10 dynasty RB rankings that included Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Darren McFadden, Marshawn Lynch, Marion Barber, and Matt Forte paints a different picture.

Do you want to add something to this topic? Or are you just trolling 'cause you don't have any input on the subject. Before you step into my arena my friend, be very prepared. You probably couldn't survive more than a year in any of my leagues 'cause the moment you encountered some adversity, you'd quit.....I can finish last in a dynasty and quickly build a dominant team for years on end.......FOLLOW ME!But please, get back on topic guys.....CONTRIBUTE DON'T POLLUTE!

Looks like we have the same goal in mind GB, I was just trying to prevent pollution in this thread when I saw it. Scouting NCAA players is a marathon, not a sprint. That is why I will contribute more to this thread once the season begins and there's stuff to talk about. One tip for you: I think you'd be better off if you didn't make such blind assumptions about players/people after watching just one game or reading just one post, or just from one incident in general. I think if you follow this tip, it will help both with social interactions and in scouting NFL prospects. GL GB

 

[Don Quixote]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL. To borrow the monikor from a fellow respected league mate.......FOLLOW ME!......

I'm glad I did not follow your Steve Slaton over Chris Johnson prediction last year...link

Yep, you would have lost big my friend.....Unless you also drafted/acquired the likes of Aaron Rodgers, DeSean, Meachem, Sidney Rice, Sims-Walker, and Jamaal Charles all at super values like I did...then you still would have done well.....FOLLOW ME!...Man, you guys are too funny.....and easy to rattle....

I was trying to be nice, but please just drop this schtick. It is obnoxious and annoying. The best thing you can offer as to your low opinion on Armon Binns is that you "EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL" so "FOLLOW ME"? Most people who are actually good talent evaluators at least focus on measurables or skills.

 

[kremenull]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL.

I'm usually never one to bust somebody else out, but since you started it.....Do you remember who said this?"I'm liking Heyward-Bey more and more. It's still early, but I think he might be the best draft-eligible skill position prospect in the NCAA right now. No way would I pass him up for some of those marginal RBs."I don't even feel the need to provide a link....I only put this here to show that we all can miss on a projection at any point in the process, early, late, it can happen.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

But here are my facts......I EVALUATE TALENT, VERY WELL.

I'm usually never one to bust somebody else out, but since you started it.....Do you remember who said this?"I'm liking Heyward-Bey more and more. It's still early, but I think he might be the best draft-eligible skill position prospect in the NCAA right now. No way would I pass him up for some of those marginal RBs."I don't even feel the need to provide a link....I only put this here to show that we all can miss on a projection at any point in the process, early, late, it can happen.

....both of you have and will always be contributing $$$ to my FF addiction