[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)

[Brewtown]

Sankey showed he has the goods under the hood. If I remember correctly EBF was questioning it. What do you think now EBF?

He was questioning more than his hands. He also specifically said that he does nothing great.

I would contend he does a lot that is great. Like running the football, and apparently he runs one great 3-cone drill, and 20 yd shuttle!

i didn't think he was great in game tape either, combine will cause me to watch some more though. Exceeded expectations, but to totally change your board based on one afternoon in his underwear would be silly. It's the extreme of extreme examples, but before you completely change an evaluation on a player based on the combine remember Chris Henry.

Look at the tape - look at the stats - and now look at the combine.

I feel like a math teacher trying to show a few of the kids not getting the math problem.

Say it with me 1+1+1 = 3

It seems like an easy math problem to get... Some of you are just not getting it - understanding - whatever...

I think that most football people and the majority of people on this board "get" and understand the kind of across the board talent Sankey brings to the table. It's a pretty rare combo of speed, agility, strength, and change of direction that he has.

He beat Gio in every category that the combine tests on. I had Gio as my #1 RB in last years drafts.

I'm not changing my mind. I bumped him up to #1 RB after the combine, from #2 before the combine. His talent is legit and the combine proved that out.

 

[werdnoynek]

There's not much buzz on this thread about Odell Beckham Jr's combine - what, with all the Bishop Sankey talk . In my opinion, Beckham just secured the 2nd WR ranking. He didn't put up ridiculous stats at LSU because the situation - sharing targets with Landry in a run first offense. But you could really see his talent on the field though, and he confirmed it at the combine. I'd predict him going late the first round, and he probably leap frogged Lee. I had hoped Beckham would fall to the end of the first round of rookie drafts, but now he seems like a mid rounder.

I agree he looked like a game changer at times on the field. He's a prime example of a guy who is more than his stats. The combine was the icing on the cake. I still think Lee has a higher ceiling if healthy, he's got more protypical WR ability in today's NFL - excellent hands, tracking, high pointing, route running. All things he does better than Beckham IMO. Beckham could put it together but I don't know if he's a legit #1 WR in the NFL. I could see him in a Harvin type roll perhaps? That could be his ceiling... If he hits the weight room lol.ETA: If you're after a smaller speed guy I'd put my money on Cooks.

 

[JFS171]

Brewtown is just trolling and everyone, myself included, is taking the bait. All of his comments are just intended to wind people up. First time I've ever looked for the "ignore" function on these forums. I think if people stop giving him the attention he craves then maybe he will stop the obnoxious posting. I don't think it's sincere. The dude is just having a laugh.

As for Sankey, I like him more than BJGE. More dynamic. My bigger point was that there are lots of "good" backs in the NFL and merely hitting that level doesn't guarantee some kind of huge NFL career. Put him on a team with no competition for touches and I'd like his chances to have a Zac Stacy type of rookie season at least though.

Took that leap about a month ago… it's made reading this thread significantly easier.

 

[JFS171]

Bottom line is there's about 10-15 WRs I'm pretty intrigued by. The combine only confirmed what I suspected a while ago in that regard. I'm honestly considering cashing in bottom-of-the-roster types (rookie picks you've missed on in years past, talented players who have lacked opportunity, etc - your Ingrams, Stewarts, etc.) for picks to load up on this rookie class.

WRs alone, the only one I'm not crazy about is Benjamin, and I still will recognize he could be a pretty good weapon for an NFL team. Watkins, Lee, Evans, Robinson, Beckham, Cooks, Moncrief, Matthews, Herron, Adams, Richardson, Bryant, etc. etc. etc.

RBs feel the same way right now...

Deep, deep class

 

[BigTex]

Some things and no question certain measurements the combine CAN NOT measure is HEART, DESIRE, DETERMINATION and the ABILITY to LEARN. It's not just about how fast someone runs, con drills and shuttles. So argue for the sake arguing, debate for the need to debate but these characteristics separate the makers from the fakers.

Carry on,

Tex

 

[Xue]

There's not much buzz on this thread about Odell Beckham Jr's combine - what, with all the Bishop Sankey talk . In my opinion, Beckham just secured the 2nd WR ranking. He didn't put up ridiculous stats at LSU because the situation - sharing targets with Landry in a run first offense. But you could really see his talent on the field though, and he confirmed it at the combine. I'd predict him going late the first round, and he probably leap frogged Lee. I had hoped Beckham would fall to the end of the first round of rookie drafts, but now he seems like a mid rounder.

I had Beckham ranked 3rd pre-Combine and said a long time ago he was better than Lee.

 

[werdnoynek]

Some things and no question certain measurements the combine CAN NOT measure is HEART, DESIRE, DETERMINATION and the ABILITY to LEARN. It's not just about how fast someone runs, con drills and shuttles. So argue for the sake arguing, debate for the need to debate but these characteristics separate the makers from the fakers.

Carry on,

Tex

Well said.

 

[Brewtown]

Some things and no question certain measurements the combine CAN NOT measure is HEART, DESIRE, DETERMINATION and the ABILITY to LEARN. It's not just about how fast someone runs, con drills and shuttles. So argue for the sake arguing, debate for the need to debate but these characteristics separate the makers from the fakers.

Carry on,

Tex

Tex - in many cases it's heart, desire, determination, and the ability to learn in that has already been exhibited in college that leads to good combine performances.

Either that or very powerful, undetectable steroids...

: )

 

[BigTex]

Some things and no question certain measurements the combine CAN NOT measure is HEART, DESIRE, DETERMINATION and the ABILITY to LEARN. It's not just about how fast someone runs, con drills and shuttles. So argue for the sake arguing, debate for the need to debate but these characteristics separate the makers from the fakers.

Carry on,

Tex

Tex - in many cases it's heart, desire, determination, and the ability to learn in that has already been exhibited in college that leads to good combine performances.

Either that or very powerful, undetectable steroids...

: )

LMAO...........no arguing or debating there..............uummmmm except the ability to learn. It's my personal belief that some made to from pee wee through college off talent and are mediocre at the NFL level because that muscle in the skull is either half-baked or over cooked..........

Tex

 

[cloppbeast]

We all like to talk about the best prospects, but what about the hidden gems? I like WR Abbrederis from Wisconsin. I think he helped himself at the combine.

He's possibly the most NFL ready WR in the draft, but many have questioned his physical talent. He showed at the combine that he at least has slightly above average talent. With his technical skills, he could produce early in his career. I still suspect he'll fly under the radar though.

 

[Xue]

We all like to talk about the best prospects, but what about the hidden gems? I like WR Abbrederis from Wisconsin. I think he helped himself at the combine.

He's possibly the most NFL ready WR in the draft, but many have questioned his physical talent. He showed at the combine that he at least has slightly above average talent. With his technical skills, he could produce early in his career. I still suspect he'll fly under the radar though.

I have him grouped with Ryan Grant, Mike Davis, TJ Jones, and Matt Hazel.

 

[Milkman]

There's not much buzz on this thread about Odell Beckham Jr's combine - what, with all the Bishop Sankey talk . In my opinion, Beckham just secured the 2nd WR ranking. He didn't put up ridiculous stats at LSU because the situation - sharing targets with Landry in a run first offense. But you could really see his talent on the field though, and he confirmed it at the combine. I'd predict him going late the first round, and he probably leap frogged Lee. I had hoped Beckham would fall to the end of the first round of rookie drafts, but now he seems like a mid rounder.

I had Beckham ranked 3rd pre-Combine and said a long time ago he was better than Lee.

Truth.

 

[Brewtown]

Definitely a hidden gem in this years stacked draft (#16 WR on my board?). I do like his talent. Great ability to get open and great hands. Some quarterback is gonna love this guy...

 

[Brewtown]

How about Henry Josey? He looked very good at the combine.

He was not really on my radar all year. What do you think about his chances of producing in the NFL?

 

[BigTex]

How about Henry Josey? He looked very good at the combine.

He was not really on my radar all year. What do you think about his chances of producing in the NFL?

He was doing really well until the injury which concerns me and adding a few more pounds to his frame and how his body will be respond to the added weight.

Tex

ETA: He's had multiple injuries if I remember correctly....just not sure if he's durable enough to handle the NFL.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

We all like to talk about the best prospects, but what about the hidden gems? I like WR Abbrederis from Wisconsin. I think he helped himself at the combine.

He's possibly the most NFL ready WR in the draft, but many have questioned his physical talent. He showed at the combine that he at least has slightly above average talent. With his technical skills, he could produce early in his career. I still suspect he'll fly under the radar though.

Cody Latimer Wasn't healthy enough to do any of the running drills apparently, but in the one drill he did do, the bench press, he led all WRs with 23 reps.

Besides that, one guy who scored highly on the combine drills but isn't getting much of any talk in here is Paul Richardson. Had a nice 4.40 40, and he did good in the jumps. His speed is evident on tape, and he's got some nice WR skills. He's skinny and not very tall, but the Steelers have had success with WRs that have similarities with him in recent years.

 

[Brewtown]

Paul Richardson did look very nice. Very exciting player on tape too! Big play guy.

 

[bengalbuck]

Paul Richardson did look very nice. Very exciting player on tape too! Big play guy.

I think he is a guy who needs to land in the right situation. Someone mentioned the Steelrs, and that would be a great fit for him. Somewhere like Carolina maybe.Those guys who are deep threats but maybe not quite physical enough to be your typical #1 WR are more situation dependent than the bigger guys like Alshon Jeffery, Mike Evans, etc. We've seen that a little bit with Mike Wallace.

 

[MAC_32]

We all like to talk about the best prospects, but what about the hidden gems? I like WR Abbrederis from Wisconsin. I think he helped himself at the combine.

He's possibly the most NFL ready WR in the draft, but many have questioned his physical talent. He showed at the combine that he at least has slightly above average talent. With his technical skills, he could produce early in his career. I still suspect he'll fly under the radar though.

I have him grouped with Ryan Grant, Mike Davis, TJ Jones, and Matt Hazel.

I have him a lot higher.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

There's not much buzz on this thread about Odell Beckham Jr's combine - what, with all the Bishop Sankey talk . In my opinion, Beckham just secured the 2nd WR ranking. He didn't put up ridiculous stats at LSU because the situation - sharing targets with Landry in a run first offense. But you could really see his talent on the field though, and he confirmed it at the combine. I'd predict him going late the first round, and he probably leap frogged Lee. I had hoped Beckham would fall to the end of the first round of rookie drafts, but now he seems like a mid rounder.

I had Beckham ranked 3rd pre-Combine and said a long time ago he was better than Lee.

Yeah I saw that, good call. I don't have their names off hand but I've seen other prominent analysts with that WR3 ranking for him also, pre and post combine.

 

[Concept Coop]

Took that leap about a month ago… it's made reading this thread significantly easier.

Where is it? I looked and couldn't find it.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Took that leap about a month ago… it's made reading this thread significantly easier.

Where is it? I looked and couldn't find it.

I just found it. Go to the top, hit your name and a window pops up. Click My Settings and then Ignore Preferences.

 

[Andrew74]

Sankey showed he has the goods under the hood. If I remember correctly EBF was questioning it. What do you think now EBF?

He was questioning more than his hands.He also specifically said that he does nothing great.

I would contend he does a lot that is great. Like running the football, and apparently he runs one great 3-cone drill, and 20 yd shuttle!

Great is a relative term. Sankey had a nice combine that moved him up my board. In the context of this draft class, he now looks like one of the better options at RB for sure. He's got adequate size, explosiveness, quickness, power, and versatility to be an NFL starter. He's gone from being at the bottom of my 2nd tier to near the top. However, let's not overstate his performance. In the context of all the good backs floating around the NFL, his performance was nothing special. As an NFL talent I put him in that big cluster of guys like Bernard Pierce, LeVeon Bell, Toby Gerhart, Shonn Greene, Eddie Lacy, Benjarvus Green-Ellis, and Mike Leshoure who can thrive if thrust into a prominent role, but aren't necessarily so talented that they're guaranteed a long term starting job. So to me it will come down to his opportunity. He can be an instant FF starter on the Browns, Jaguars, or Raiders. If he goes to a backup role he could easily end up in the Pierce/Gerhart abyss where you're holding him for a few years before you see any kind of a payoff. He's probably not Chris Johnson or Arian Peterson who's going to force his way onto the field and dominate.

Right now there are something like 40-45 RBs currently on NFL rosters who were picked in the first 3 rounds of the NFL draft. To be a premium long term dynasty asset, it's not enough to be an average member of that group. You actually have to go above and beyond. You've probably got to be one of the top 10-15 backs in the entire league for the duration of your prime. For everyone else, the situation is what determines their immediate utility. I've not seen anything from Sankey that makes me think he's going to be immune to that, so my optimism will be pretty intimately connected to his landing spot. He's not a tier one talent for me.

Agreed. I have a hard time finding anything special or great about him. All around solid prospect. People keep bringing up Gio but Gio plays with more quicks and suddenness, agility as some call it... Special IMO. The combine numbers were a surprise and I agree he could have success in the right situation, but he leaves quite a bit to be desired for my tastes. I guess I just don't like to play it safe.

He beat Gio in every combine measure and had better college statistics.You are right - you are not playing it safe by saying Gio is better than Sankey.

The odds are stacked against you in that statement!

I don't have a dog in this fight but we know Gio can play at the pro level. We have no idea about Sankey. So I'd say the odds are definitely in his favor at this point. A year from now will tell us much more.

 

[Concept Coop]

I just found it. Go to the top, hit your name and a window pops up. Click My Settings and then Ignore Preferences.

Awesome. Done. Thanks.

 

[Whitney26]

Some things and no question certain measurements the combine CAN NOT measure is HEART, DESIRE, DETERMINATION and the ABILITY to LEARN. It's not just about how fast someone runs, con drills and shuttles. So argue for the sake arguing, debate for the need to debate but these characteristics separate the makers from the fakers.

Carry on,

Tex

As a matter of fact, there is a new company out of Austin, Texas that has developed a test that measures some of the things you mention. The primary focus is on the ability to learn....how a players learns. They were at the combine last year and were invited back this year as well. Last I heard, the league hasn't adopted the test yet. It's primarily being used at the NCAA level. Alabama was one of their first customers. Besides some YouTube videos, some good information is located at the website: http://aptusdiscovery.com/sports.php

 

[Whitney26]

I haven't read through all the posts, but Jerick McKinnon has risen up my personal board. From an athletic perspective, he's this years top performer. Unfortunately, I can't find much tape. Besides the 2013 Florida game, I can't find anything besides the Georgia game in 2012. I cut it up for those interested:

http://youtu.be/aLTyvacOVtI

He's had some terrific games over the past few years. If you know where I can find full games, let me know and I'll cut it up.

 

[cloppbeast]

How about Henry Josey? He looked very good at the combine.

He was not really on my radar all year. What do you think about his chances of producing in the NFL?

Not that you'd expect much power from a back Josey's size, but I didn't see much yards after contact from him in the lone game I watched. He ran in a spread option offense tailored for his talents; I don't get the sense he would succeed in a full time role in the big leagues. I would think he is destined for the COP role in the NFL. On the right NFL team, he could have decent value.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I haven't read through all the posts, but Jerick McKinnon has risen up my personal board. From an athletic perspective, he's this years top performer. Unfortunately, I can't find much tape. Besides the 2013 Florida game, I can't find anything besides the Georgia game in 2012. I cut it up for those interested:

http://youtu.be/aLTyvacOVtI

He's had some terrific games over the past few years. If you know where I can find full games, let me know and I'll cut it up.

Best combine imo. No idea where to find games of his.

 

[Rodeojones]

I just found it. Go to the top, hit your name and a window pops up. Click My Settings and then Ignore Preferences.

Awesome. Done. Thanks.

Me too...thanks.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I haven't read through all the posts, but Jerick McKinnon has risen up my personal board. From an athletic perspective, he's this years top performer. Unfortunately, I can't find much tape. Besides the 2013 Florida game, I can't find anything besides the Georgia game in 2012. I cut it up for those interested:

http://youtu.be/aLTyvacOVtI

He's had some terrific games over the past few years. If you know where I can find full games, let me know and I'll cut it up.

That stance under center took me back to the Big Eight, c. 1975.

 

[Black]

Brewtown is just trolling and everyone, myself included, is taking the bait. All of his comments are just intended to wind people up. First time I've ever looked for the "ignore" function on these forums. I think if people stop giving him the attention he craves then maybe he will stop the obnoxious posting. I don't think it's sincere. The dude is just having a laugh.

As for Sankey, I like him more than BJGE. More dynamic. My bigger point was that there are lots of "good" backs in the NFL and merely hitting that level doesn't guarantee some kind of huge NFL career. Put him on a team with no competition for touches and I'd like his chances to have a Zac Stacy type of rookie season at least though.

Where is that Ignore feature. pls? Nevermind saw the other posts..thx.

 

[Faust]

NFL Draft: Manziel, Bridgewater headline upcoming pro days

 

[Whitney26]

I haven't read through all the posts, but Jerick McKinnon has risen up my personal board. From an athletic perspective, he's this years top performer. Unfortunately, I can't find much tape. Besides the 2013 Florida game, I can't find anything besides the Georgia game in 2012. I cut it up for those interested:

http://youtu.be/aLTyvacOVtI

He's had some terrific games over the past few years. If you know where I can find full games, let me know and I'll cut it up.

That stance under center took me back to the Big Eight, c. 1975.

This makes me laugh. The first thing I thought of was J.C. Watts and Mike Mayweather. Everyone remembers Watts but I doubt many can recall Mayweather. He came along a few years after Watts and played HB for Army.

FWIW, I found a couple of more games from 2012 I'm currently downloading.....vs Central Arkansas and North Dakota State. He had awesome games in both so I should have them finished by the weekend.

 

[Brewtown]

Brewtown is just trolling and everyone, myself included, is taking the bait. All of his comments are just intended to wind people up. First time I've ever looked for the "ignore" function on these forums. I think if people stop giving him the attention he craves then maybe he will stop the obnoxious posting. I don't think it's sincere. The dude is just having a laugh.

As for Sankey, I like him more than BJGE. More dynamic. My bigger point was that there are lots of "good" backs in the NFL and merely hitting that level doesn't guarantee some kind of huge NFL career. Put him on a team with no competition for touches and I'd like his chances to have a Zac Stacy type of rookie season at least though.

Where is that Ignore feature. pls? Nevermind saw the other posts..thx.

That's funny - You would think that most people on a fantasy football chatroom would be men.

Looks like there are a few that aren't a part of the target demographic...

 

[DexterDew]

Since I feel everybody has a right to post on public boards (unless the Mods deem otherwise), I also have the right to ignore those who I don't feel add to topic. In the past, I had never felt the need to do this before: This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Brewtown,

 

[jurb26]

Lmao, Brewtown making an epic run here. Is this the most ignores ever from a single thread? I'm thinks, yes.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Just hit me that this year could be like 2008, where most of the first round is all at one position -- but at WR this time, instead of RB. Could easily see something like 8-10 WRs going before the third or fourth RB.

 

[MAC_32]

Just hit me that this year could be like 2008, where most of the first round is all at one position -- but at WR this time, instead of RB. Could easily see something like 8-10 WRs going before the third or fourth RB.

I have picks 1, 3, 9, and 12. Very surprised I am likely looking at wr-wr-rb-qb if I keep all those picks.

 

[Milkman]

My top 7 WR's after the combine.

1. Evans- He has super soft hands and at basically 6'5 230+ 4.5 speed he has a great chance of being special. These size/speed combo's just don't come around that much. His drive has been talked about to. In a good way. I hear he is extremely competitive. I could see him dominating the NFL for a long time once he tightens up his routes. This is the type of WR that has multiply double digit TD's seasons.

2. Jordan Matthews- Not many people have him on their radar but I did a little digging after he ran a 4.46 40. I don't understand why he is not getting more attention. He has arguably the best hands in this WR class. He's a great route runner. He answered his critics who said he was slow and weak with his 40 times and his bench. He's 6'3 212 pounds and he can bench 225 21 times and people think he won't be able to get off jams in the NFL? Are you guys reading this? Anyway he made the biggest jump for me. He was in my top ten before but now I think he should go in the first round.

3. Sammy Watkins- Nothing Sammy Watkins did this weekend hurt his stock. He didn't beat expectations either though. There are a lot of 6'0 WR that run 4.4's and have solid hands. Still Sammy's floor is pretty high but it's his ceiling I have concerns with. Barring injury he's a top 20ish WR for years to come. meh Not #1 overall Rookie pick material to me.

4. Marqise Lee- Super fluid athlete. He's going to be a great pro but where he lands will determine a lot. Still the big question for him will be his hands. I don't care how open you are it's "No Bueno" if you can't catch the ball. It's sick that this kind of WR is the 4th best WR in this class. He had a slightly disappointing combine but being a fluid athlete is pretty underrated.

5. Beckham- at 5'11 198 he's not really small. He's average size but man is he explosive. Great hands. Still not big enough to be a red zone weapon so his ceiling is limited. Really blew the combine up this week. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets drafted before Lee now.

6. Allen Robinson- Yes his 40 was slow but his 10 yard split, shuttle, and cone were all fast. Really fast for a Big WR. He plays fast enough inside of 15 yards. He's nearly 6'3 and 220 pounds. His open field vision is elite, he's big enough to be an above average red zone target, his footwork is good. He has that same knack for getting open that Keenan Allen has. You have to trust what you're seeing on tape. I do. He's wide open a lot.

7. Cooks- Size is going to limited him a little but he is special at so many things and it's hard to ignore. I've seen him get pushed around a little on tape so whoever drafts him needs to get him in space.

WOW what a sick WR class this year. Still some guys after these 7 that could be really good.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Matthews and Abbrederis are very similar, I like the Abbrederis tape better though.

 

[Brewtown]

Just hit me that this year could be like 2008, where most of the first round is all at one position -- but at WR this time, instead of RB. Could easily see something like 8-10 WRs going before the third or fourth RB.

I have picks 1, 3, 9, and 12. Very surprised I am likely looking at wr-wr-rb-qb if I keep all those picks.

I am in a 12-team contract dynasty league where you can give Max contracts of 6 years per player (we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, K, D - PPR is WR and TE only - and there is NO FLEX). I have picks 1, 4, 5, 7 and 13.I am pretty sure that I am going 1-RB, 4-RB, 5-RB, 7-WR, and at 13-WR. The first 4 picks will be RBs in this league and I am thinking the first 5 will as well (although I could take Sammy at 5 too??). RBs in my dynasty leagues always trump all and in a year where WR is so strong my thoughts are why jump at WR early when you don't have to. Take the best of the best at RB early (best talent in best situations) and grab a solid prospect at WR later....

 

[Milkman]

Just hit me that this year could be like 2008, where most of the first round is all at one position -- but at WR this time, instead of RB. Could easily see something like 8-10 WRs going before the third or fourth RB.

I have picks 1, 3, 9, and 12. Very surprised I am likely looking at wr-wr-rb-qb if I keep all those picks.

I have 2nd,5th, and 10th in the first round this year. Probably go WR-RB-WR.

 

[JFS171]

I agree Matthews was and still is flying a bit under the radar. I was impressed with his combine as he's a better athlete than I thought.

When you look at his production, it's top notch in one of the toughest conferences in football. He's consistently dominated despite being the lone weapon in the passing game for his team facing the brunt of the opposing defense. I think he's going to be a pretty good pro.

This receiving class is ridiculous, and honestly the depth of the RB class is really growing on me as well.

 

[Xue]

Sankey showed he has the goods under the hood. If I remember correctly EBF was questioning it. What do you think now EBF?

He was questioning more than his hands.He also specifically said that he does nothing great.

I would contend he does a lot that is great. Like running the football, and apparently he runs one great 3-cone drill, and 20 yd shuttle!

Great is a relative term. Sankey had a nice combine that moved him up my board. In the context of this draft class, he now looks like one of the better options at RB for sure. He's got adequate size, explosiveness, quickness, power, and versatility to be an NFL starter. He's gone from being at the bottom of my 2nd tier to near the top. However, let's not overstate his performance. In the context of all the good backs floating around the NFL, his performance was nothing special. As an NFL talent I put him in that big cluster of guys like Bernard Pierce, LeVeon Bell, Toby Gerhart, Shonn Greene, Eddie Lacy, Benjarvus Green-Ellis, and Mike Leshoure who can thrive if thrust into a prominent role, but aren't necessarily so talented that they're guaranteed a long term starting job. So to me it will come down to his opportunity. He can be an instant FF starter on the Browns, Jaguars, or Raiders. If he goes to a backup role he could easily end up in the Pierce/Gerhart abyss where you're holding him for a few years before you see any kind of a payoff. He's probably not Chris Johnson or Arian Peterson who's going to force his way onto the field and dominate.

Right now there are something like 40-45 RBs currently on NFL rosters who were picked in the first 3 rounds of the NFL draft. To be a premium long term dynasty asset, it's not enough to be an average member of that group. You actually have to go above and beyond. You've probably got to be one of the top 10-15 backs in the entire league for the duration of your prime. For everyone else, the situation is what determines their immediate utility. I've not seen anything from Sankey that makes me think he's going to be immune to that, so my optimism will be pretty intimately connected to his landing spot. He's not a tier one talent for me.

Agreed. I have a hard time finding anything special or great about him. All around solid prospect. People keep bringing up Gio but Gio plays with more quicks and suddenness, agility as some call it... Special IMO. The combine numbers were a surprise and I agree he could have success in the right situation, but he leaves quite a bit to be desired for my tastes. I guess I just don't like to play it safe.

He beat Gio in every combine measure and had better college statistics.You are right - you are not playing it safe by saying Gio is better than Sankey.

The odds are stacked against you in that statement!

I don't have a dog in this fight but we know Gio can play at the pro level. We have no idea about Sankey. So I'd say the odds are definitely in his favor at this point. A year from now will tell us much more.

Gio had his fair share of doubters on this board before the draft. Sankey's combine numbers shouldn't have been a surprise. He had quick feet and tremendous balance when cutting. He doesn't make jaw-dropping cuts like Seastrunk because he plays so much under controlled.

This kind of ankle flexion is what allowed Sankey to kill the shuttle and 3-cone:

http://lifesyourcupfb.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/sankey-ankle-flexion-1.jpg

http://lifesyourcupfb.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/sankey-ankle-flexion-2.jpg

 

[Xue]

We all like to talk about the best prospects, but what about the hidden gems? I like WR Abbrederis from Wisconsin. I think he helped himself at the combine.

He's possibly the most NFL ready WR in the draft, but many have questioned his physical talent. He showed at the combine that he at least has slightly above average talent. With his technical skills, he could produce early in his career. I still suspect he'll fly under the radar though.

I have him grouped with Ryan Grant, Mike Davis, TJ Jones, and Matt Hazel.

I have him a lot higher.

Abbrederis isn't much different from two other guys from the Big Ten: Derrick Engel - Minnesota, and Steve Hull - Illinois.

Engel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eDV02Pr3qs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyTvwT85p9U

Hull:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9644971

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9985314

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65O5HWPC42k

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8470094

He's also on the older side, already 23 (December).

 

[Mingooch]

I have the 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 picks and hope to land Evans and 2 RBs. I am going to try and trade up to 1.2 from 1.6 as well.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

I think the guy flying lowest under the radar is Davante Adams.

• In his final season, dude had 100+ yards in 7/13 games and totaled 1,342 yards in those 7 games.
• Oh yeah, he also had 18 TDs in those same 7 games.
• Davante Adams played 2 seasons of college football (26 games total) and failed to score in only 4 of his 26 games.
• He scored 38 TDs in those two seasons (26 games) which is about 1.5 TDs per game average, including the games he did not score - so his true TD per game average is 1.5 throughout his college career.
• Adams scored multiple TDs in 10 games. Consider he scored in 22/26 games then consider in 10/22 he was good for 2+ TDs.
• In a nutshell, Adams scored a TD in 85% of his games and of the games he scored in, he basically had a 45% chance of scoring multiple TDs.
• At 6-1, 212 lbs and 28 BMI, he is plenty big enough to be a WR1
• Biletnikoff award semi-finalist in 2013
• 6.82 3 cone
• 39.5 inch verticle
• 123 inch (10 feet 3 inches) broad jump
• In 2 seasons, Adams accumulated 233 rec for 3,030 yds and 38 TDs!

I think he may be the SOTD if he falls to late 1st round dynasty pick.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Matthews and Abbrederis can do everything Adams does better. If they weren't being slept I'd agree with you, but since they all are...

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

I have the 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 picks and hope to land Evans and 2 RBs. I am going to try and trade up to 1.2 from 1.6 as well.

In a 16 team league, I have 1.2 - 1.4 - 1.14 - 1.15 - think I'm going all WR.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah Davante Adams is another good WR prospect. I am a little suspect of his stats in college because of the offense they ran and the competition he played against. I was pretty high on him before the USC game. Still a good prospect.