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[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)

Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin fit NFL's trend of bigger is better at WR

By Greg Cosell

Yahoo Sports

It's the year of the wide receiver. It would be no surprise if seven were drafted in the first round on Thursday night. That would not be an aberration. Since the turn of the century, six wide receivers have been selected in the opening round four times (2001, 2005, 2007 and 2009), and seven came off the board in 2004.

Unfortunately for some of those prospects, receiver is consistently the biggest first-round "bust" position in the draft after quarterback. There are certainly many reasons for that, and they must be analyzed on a case-by-case basis, but two factors really stand out: the wide gap between what receivers are asked to do in college versus the NFL regarding route concepts and adjustments, and the dramatically higher quality of cornerbacks they play against on Sundays.

On the flip side, with the increasing deployment of three- and four-wide receiver personnel sets in the NFL, there are more opportunities for receivers to find a niche and become important contributors.

Given the one-on-one matchups because of the expanded sets, the gold standard for NFL wide receivers is working outside the numbers, running isolation routes versus man-to-man coverage, and consistently getting open (translation: separation). However, in this era of taller and bigger wide receivers, the concept of separation has changed. Distance between receiver and corner does not necessarily have to be the defining criterion. The ability to use your long or wide body against shorter and smaller corners has become just as valuable an attribute, especially with more and more man-to-man coverage being played.

The majority of the top wide receivers in the NFL fit the larger profile: Calvin Johnson, Josh Gordon, A.J. Green, Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffery, Jordy Nelson, Vincent Jackson, Larry Fitzgerald. All, with the exception of Bryant (who is 6-foot-2), are 6-3 or taller, and all weigh more than 210 pounds. This drives the belief that the NFL wide receiving position is getting bigger, with taller and more physical players (you could include Anquan Boldin, at 6-1 and 220 pounds in this discussion) providing greater possibilities with their wider catching range and strong yet soft hands.

That brings us to this year's draft class. Sammy Watkins, at 6-1 and 211 pounds, is viewed by some as not quite big enough to be an elite prospect (I do not subscribe to that school of thought. I believe he is the best wide receiver to come out of college since the 2011 draft that featured Green and Julio Jones; some in the league see him as the best prospect since Johnson in the 2007 draft). Think about this: Watkins is perceived as a little small by some, yet Justin Gilbert, at 6-0 and 202 pounds, is considered to be an outstanding corner prospect due to his size/speed dynamic. Isn't there a bit of a disconnect there?

The two biggest receivers in this draft most commonly discussed are Mike Evans (Texas A&M) and Kelvin Benjamin (Florida State). At the NFL scouting combine in late February, Evans' measurables were 6-4 7/8 and 231 pounds; Benjamin was 6-5, 240. Each presents physical matchup problems for almost all NFL corners solely due to their big bodies (Richard Sherman is the exception, and he's only 6-3, 195). Their sheer mass allows them to shield defenders, putting them in advantageous position to catch the ball, even if they have not created any meaningful distance from the corner. Separation is not the defining characteristic needed for them to be dangerous receiving threats. What throw has become such a critical part of the NFL game?: the back shoulder fade. The back shoulder throw is almost impossible to defend against big, physical wideouts like Evans and Benjamin; corners cannot defend two routes, and they must play the deep ball first, so a well-executed back shoulder throw to a big-bodied wide receiver is a tactical nightmare for even the best of corners.

Evans is not explosive in the way that Johnson is; Evans is much more of a measured mover, but his size elevates his value as an outside-the-numbers receiver, and his projection to the NFL. In many ways, Evans is a bigger and faster Boldin with his physicality and vice-grip hands. His four-inch height advantage allows him to be more of a vertical threat than Boldin. Very often in the NFL it's not pure speed that dictates over-the-top ability; for big receivers, it's more a function of stride length, and the understanding of how to close down the cushion versus off-coverage corners. That's where Evans excels.

Despite the similarities in size, Benjamin, in many respects, is a different receiver than Evans. He showed a little more natural quickness and athleticism. He was slower than Evans at the beginning of routes, but he had better build-up speed, and more consistently ran away from college corners later in routes. He showed a burst both at the break point, and with the ball in the air, on vertical routes. He played smaller than his size at times with his deceptive movement, but he always had the capability to defeat tight man coverage with his imposing size and leaping ability to high point the ball. The concern with Benjamin is that he's an inconsistent catcher; too many drops on routine passes. How do you balance that with some of the more difficult catches he makes, often the result of his size?

It's highly likely Evans will be drafted before Benjamin, the conventional wisdom being, how many teams will take a chance on a "slow" (4.61 40-yard dash at the combine) receiver with "suspect" hands? I guess few remember that Boldin ran a 4.7 at his combine; he'd likely run about 4.9 now, but all Boldin has done is average almost 80 catches and more than 1,000 yards in his 11-year NFL career, including 1,179 yards last season, at age 33. Isn't that the point? For big, physical wide receivers with the ability to use their bodies effectively and snatch the ball outside their frame, straight-line speed is not the consequential attribute it is often made out to be. The same is true for separation. We need to redefine that term when evaluating 6-3/6-4, 215-pound plus wide receivers. They will all be significantly bigger than almost every corner they will play against in the NFL.

One other point: I constantly hear people talk about college wide receivers being poor, or unrefined route runners, how much learning they need to do, and how that may negatively impact their transition to the NFL. What I find fascinating is that this shortcoming or perceived weakness is only attached to certain wide receivers, and not others. I've seen it often applied to Benjamin. It, quite frankly, has no meaning at all, no matter which wide receiver you're talking about. All receivers entering the NFL are poor route runners by NFL standards. The corollary point is, with very few exceptions, college passing games are very limited when it comes to route concepts, and adjustments both before the snap and after the snap. There may be no better example of this than Evans (who, by the way, I have not seen this written about; why not?). He has no experience running anything approaching an NFL route tree, but that is not as relevant to NFL coaches as many might think. They will start at the beginning, and teach him how to play NFL wide receiver. It will not shape the evaluation of him, or Benjamin, as a prospect.

There has been an increase in the number of bigger wide receivers in the NFL over the last number of years. It's changing not only the manner in which we evaluate wide receivers, but also passing games in fundamental ways. The NFL has always been cyclical. It will be fascinating to see how defenses respond as we go forward in 2014 and beyond.
 
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Updated my top 12 rookies in my sig. Rest of the top 24 will be updated before the draft.

Overall, I see this as a very flat class. It's almost like you could flip #3-13 on anyone's board and make a pretty good argument either way. That's certainly the case with my rankings. The descriptions and analysis are more important than the numbers alone. It's all about knowing what you're getting and deciding what that's worth to you. I think I have a pretty good handle on who these guys are, but that doesn't necessarily translate into knowing what their FF value will be. That's going to hinge pretty heavily on their NFL situation and the scoring system of any given FF league.
Finished the top 24 today.

Right now without seeing where the RBs go, I think there's a bit of a tier break after Watkins/Evans at 1-2. Then a somewhat flat and gradual decline until around pick 15-16 when you start getting into dart throw territory.

 
2014 NFL Draft: Cooney's Calls on special prospects

By Frank Cooney | NFLDraftScout.com

Excerpt:

Frankly, here are the defining players and feelings even before the draft begins Thursday:

This is the Johnny Manziel draft. Whatever team has the guts to draft him will instantly boost its fan base, until or unless Manziel confirms those nabobs of negativity who gripe about his flamboyant, swashbuckling, playground style during his two unforgettable college seasons, or that he is short or careless with the ball.

I probably wouldn't be in sports if it weren't for another unique player I admired as a San Francisco youth. He had a horribly twisted batting stance. He caught the ball glove-up, waist high. But he was mesmerizing. If the Giants were behind by two runs heading into the ninth inning and he was up third, I figured if the first two could get on, Willie Mays would win with a home run. And he did that so many times that he is a legend. Mays celebrated his 83rd birthday on Tuesday.

I was reminded of those Mays moments last New Year's Eve, watching Texas A&M against Duke in the Chic-fil-A Bowl. With two seconds left in the half, Duke led 35-17 after five consecutive touchdown drives and was averaging about 10 yards a play. When Duke opted to end the half with a gimme, 18-yard field goal and a 38-17 lead, I thought Manziel would Mays them.

He did, finishing his final college game throwing for 382 yards and four touchdowns and running for 72 yards and another touchdown. Texas A&M won, 52-48, in my mind by the four points they eschewed at the half when they did not count on the Manziel factor.

So, despite understanding the flaws and drawbacks inherent in Manziel, the high moment of this draft will be when we learn who has the guts to take him.

This draft also has elite prospects, whose abilities are such that I might hear about their great careers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection meeting if I should be fortunate enough to still be around.

In order of potential -- Auburn offensive tackle Greg Robinson, South Carolina pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney and possibly Clemson wide receiver Sammy Watkins. All of them can be as good as they want to be, barring injuries.

Then there are these players who could and should be All-Pro or Pro-Bowl selectees multiple times -- Texas A&M tackle Jake Matthews, Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosley, and maybe Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack, if he proves he can make the big step up.

Here are players I expect to do surprisingly well, regardless of where they are selected or raps against them -- Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr, Auburn defensive end Dee Ford and Stanford inside linebacker Shayne Skov.

Finally, despite respected opinions to the contrary, these are players I would not draft -- Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, UCLA linebacker Anthony Barr and Texas A&M wide receiver Mike Evans.

Of course those last three could also wind up the ones being discussed someday by the Hall of Fame committee. But that's my call now and if I'm still there for the discussion, I will recall this day as a fond memory.

--Frank Cooney, founder and publisher of The Sports Xchange and NFLDraftScout.com, covered the NFL and the draft since the 1960s and is a selector for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
 
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2014 NFL Draft: Garrett Gilbert, Shaq Evans lead list of sleepers on offense

Doug Farrar

Excerpt:

Any general manager worth his salt will tell you that an NFL personnel executive’s salary is earned in the second and third days of the draft. Anyone can throw a dart and hit pretty well in the first round (at least generally), but to add key players to your roster in the later rounds, it takes a keen set of scouting eyes, an understanding of how to weld talent to your scheme, and the ability to bypass any biases to find the best prospects on a no-matter-what basis.

The 2014 draft class has its own array of players who, for various reasons, will likely find themselves going off the boards when the overall selection process has hit three digits. That doesn’t mean that they won’t succeed; just that the right opportunity will have to match their own desires to transcend their current limitations. It happens all the time; and it could happen to some of the names on this list, as well.
QB Garrett Gilbert, SMU

The former five-star recruit and son of former NFL quarterback Gale Gilbert came into his own in 2013, reducing his interceptions and increasing his efficiency. Perhaps it shouldn’t be a surprise that the Cowboys have expressed interest in Gilbert. At times, he reminds me of Tony Romo in the ways he will escape pressure and make plays through improvisation. However, he’s also similar to Romo in that he will have some very weird throws that lead to less than positive results. A developmental prospect with a lot of very raw talent. Sidearm delivery could be an issue over time.

QB Bryn Renner, North Carolina

A shoulder injury stopped his 2013 season seven games in, but there is still enough juice around his junior season, when he threw for 3,356 yards, 28 touchdowns and just seven picks. Renner has a decent enough arm, but his expertise with short and intermediate passes is what looks best on tape. He has a good sense of the field when he’s in the pocket, and he’ll occasionally cork one off that makes you wonder if his arm could be developed into something special over time in an NFL conditioning program. My primary issue with Renner is that he’s frantic under pressure a lot of the time — he needs to slow down and avoid mistakes. He threw five picks to just 10 touchdowns in 2013.

QB Keith Wenning, Ball State

Wenning threw for over 11,000 yards through his four seasons with the Cardinals, and led the MAC in every significant passing stat in 2013. At 6-3 and 218 pounds, he fits the physical profile many NFL teams prefer. If you’re looking for a touch and timing thrower who tends to be mistake-proof. Wenning may be your man. He’s a little slow to get rolling in the pocket, which could be a problem, but I like the way he throws when he has time to set his feet — especially on deeper passes that require air under them.

RB Lorenzo Taliaferro, Coastal Carolina

A second-team FCS All-America in 2013, Taliaferro rushed for 1,678 yards and 21 touchdowns last season. The thing I may like best about Taliaferro’s game is his blocking — even if he misses the initial punch, he’ll effort his way back into the play. And, he’ll occasionally just lay an opponent right out. That will keep him on the field more often in the NFL. As a runner, Taliaferro doesn’t display optimal cut speed — but he is a patient runner who will beat people up at the second level. You’d like to see more pure power at the line of scrimmage for his size, though.

RB Jerick McKinnon, Georgia Southern

As it is with some smaller-school prospects, McKinnon was all over the place through his collegiate career — quarterback, halfback, fullback, defensive back and kick returner. At 5-9 and 209 pounds, and with a 4.37 40-yard dash at the scouting combine, McKinnon is a fascinating athlete who, while classified as a running back, played at H-back depth in college a lot of the time. He can be potentially devastating as a sweep runner, and he’s an outstanding blocker. His NFL position is yet to be defined, but some creative coaching staff could take McKinnon and mold him into something special over the long haul.

WR Jeff Janis, Saginaw Valley State

Those who saw Janis do surprisingly well during Senior Bowl week and went back to his college tape saw a player with impressive speed for his size (6-3, 219). He caught 83 passes for 1,572 yards and 14 touchdowns in 2013, following up a junior campaign in which he ranked second in the nation with 106 receptions and led all DII players with 1,635 receiving yards, adding 17 touchdowns. Strength of opponent is going to be a concern when projecting Janis’ NFL future, and he needs some route development, but I think he could have a Jordy Nelson-style impact over time as a speed seam and slot receiver.

WR Bruce Ellington, South Carolina

Put simply, Ellington is one of my favorite sub-elite receivers in this draft class, and I’m not sure why more people aren’t talking about him. He caught 89 passes for 1,375 yards and 15 touchdowns in his last two years against SEC defenses, and he was Connor Shaw’s main target in Shaw’s 24-touchdown, one-pick season in 2013. The tape on Ellington shows a player with outstanding field speed, the ability to get open in short spaces, and a lot of toughness for his size (5-9, 197). He’s unafraid to make catches in traffic from the slot or outside. Ellington will need time to grasp the full route tree he didn’t run in college, but he could make an instant impact as a return man and situational receiver.

WR Devin Street, Pitt

With all the hype surrounding Pitt quarterback Tom Savage, you’d think there would be a little more love for Street, who caught 51 of his passes for 854 yards and seven touchdowns. Street leaves school as the Panthers’ all-time leading receiver. He’s a big target without the top-end speed to burn cornerbacks on vertical routes, but he can win jump-ball battles and he’s durable and consistent. He’d be a valuable addition to any NFL team with a high percentage of multi-receiver sets, especially concepts that place larger receivers in the slot to gain formation advantages against nickel and dime defenses.

WR Shaq Evans, UCLA

While defense defined the Bruins in 2013, the match of quarterback Brent Hundley and receiver Shaquelle Evans was also fairly remarkable at times. He transferred from Notre Dame after the 2009 season, and caught 107 passes for 1,586 yards and 12 touchdowns in his last two seasons for UCLA. Built a bit like a tailback at 6-1 and 203 pounds, Evans reminds me a bit of Golden Tate when he came out of Notre Dame — both as an enticing pure athlete, and as a player who needs some development. He has a good embryonic sense of how to get open, but he’s not a reliable target at all times.

TE Blake Annen, Cincinnati

Annen’s stats won’t blow anyone out of the water — his career “highs” came in 2013 with 16 catches for 183 yards and two touchdowns. But in the right system, I could see Annen becoming the kind of old-school tight end that still has a place in the NFL. He’s a great blocker, whether inline or flared out, and he releases quickly at the snap.
 
Tom Savage, Cody Latimer among most overrated prospects in 2014 NFL draftChris Burke

The long and winding road between the end of an NFL season and the start of the league’s draft often opens the door for opinions to change — and then change again and again — on many of the incoming rookie prospects. This year, perhaps because of the extra two weeks prior to the draft, we’ve seen the evaluation cycle sweep up an unusually high number of prospects.

For many, that has been bad news, with the media and front offices using the buffer to nitpick every element of a player’s game. Not everyone is feeling the pain.

Several prospects have enjoyed rapid rises in their perceived stock over the past month or two, with those climbs not always meshing with the college careers they have put on tape. With the draft mercifully just a day away, here are a few players whose hype has superseded their talent.

Tom Savage, QB, Pittsburgh: The 2014 draft has been an utterly confounding one to figure out, with the quarterback position leading the charge. The buzz continues to point toward Teddy Bridgewater and other top-ranked (at least, by the media) QBs slipping down the board, while the seemingly flawed Savage has risen into the early Round 2 discussion.

That’s not to say that Savage is destined to fail — at 6-foot-5 with a big arm, he ticks off many of the boxes NFL teams look for at quarterback. But he also turned in three rather nondescript college seasons, while playing for three different teams. He is very limited in his mobility and must get much quicker with his decision-making before any team can even begin to think about him as starting-QB material.

Does the potential bump him above a plummeting prospect like Bridgewater or other projected Day 2 guys (Jimmy Garoppolo, Zach Mettenberger, Aaron Murray, etc.)? It might. It probably should not.

Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska: There was a rather sudden pro-Jean-Baptiste push earlier this week, when Mike Mayock proclaimed him a Round 1 possibility and highly respected draft guru Daniel Jeremiah unveiled a mock with the Nebraska corner landing at No. 30 to San Francisco.

“He’s a long corner that fits today’s game with an exciting skillset,” Mayock said in a media conference call. “I could bet on that kind of guy.”

Jean-Baptiste is far from a finished product, so much of the support for him comes from a similar place as that for Savage or Blake Bortles. In other words, Jean-Baptiste, at a long 6-3, fits the prototype for his position.

That said, he actually fell outside of SI’s Top 100 rankings, a list that included 14 other cornerbacks. Many others had a more positive view (CBS has Jean-Baptiste at No. 71 overall, ESPN at 58). None of those numbers hit inside the 32 required to land Jean-Baptiste in Round 1.

Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana: Unlike Jean-Baptiste, Latimer did land inside our Top 100, at No. 75 overall. That ranking puts him in the Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) draft discussion. So, why is Latimer coming up so much when folks are discussing Round 1?

Again, it starts with height (Latimer is 6-3), but he also ran a 4.44-second 40 at a pre-draft workout and showed off a 39-inch vertical. Add all that in to the 1,100-yard season Latimer posted in 2013, and there is ample reason to be excited about the ex-Hoosier. The hype may have gone too far, though, in a draft loaded with receiver prospects.

Latimer right now projects as a No. 2 or No. 3 receiver once he enters the NFL — certainly a coveted need for a lot of teams, but also something that may be available beyond Round 1.

Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri: Ealy actually has generated less chatter over the past couple of weeks than he did right after the 2013 season, perhaps a sign that his stock is settling back to the fringe Round 1 spot where it belongs. Earlier, some had propped Ealy up as a potential top-10 pick; even within the top 20, Ealy would be a bit of a reach.

He does appear to have the versatility to play in either a 3-4 or a 4-3, and linemen who faced him in college had their hands full. (Texas A&M’s Jake Matthews, arguably a top-five prospect, called Ealy the most challenging pass rusher he faced last year.) Ealy can find more immediate success if eased onto the field as a situational defender, rather than as a three-down OLB or DE. There is not a great deal distinguishing him there from Demarcus Lawrence, Trent Murphy and others presumed to be behind Ealy on draft boards.

Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia: Moses has what it takes to be a very good, perhaps even great, offensive tackle in the NFL for several seasons. I’d argue he still does not fit the profile of a top-20 pick.

And he may wind up in that range, depending on how quickly teams snap up Matthews, Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan and Zack Martin. Moses falls into the second tier of OTs, though team needs may drive him up the board — Baltimore, Miami, Arizona and Carolina, for example, all could use tackle help in the back half of Round 1. There often is a thin line between reaching for a prospect and landing him in a sweet spot. In Moses’ case, that line should be drawn somewhere around pick 25.

Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State: Similar to Ealy’s story arc, Benjamin’s bandwagon has stopped adding passengers at the rate it was earlier this offseason. The 6-5, 240-pound Florida State prospect had, in some minds, leapfrogged Marqise Lee, Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson and so on to reach a potential top-20 spot. That high, he would qualify as a substantial gamble. While all the physical tools are there for Benjamin to be an NFL force, he has not yet put it all together on the field. Until he can counter his bouts of inconsistency with more frequent flashes of his skill, it will be tough for teams to count on him for anything outside of red-zone work.

Dri Archer, RB, Kent State: Archer has drawn a lot of comparisons to Darren Sproles because of his speed (4.26 at the combine) and size (5-8, on a good day). Such talk both devalues how incredible Sproles has been throughout his NFL career and how difficult a transition Archer may have to the NFL.

First and foremost, Archer’s new team will have to figure out where to play him — he’s probably not big enough to do much at RB beyond catching balls out of the backfield (the Sproles comparison fits there), but he also needs to improve as a receiver before he can be a true threat out of the slot. His 2013 season was hampered by an ankle injury, which will give pause to teams already worried about his stature.

On the right team, taken at the right spot, Archer will have a chance to be one of the NFL’s most electrifying players. Forced into duty by an unnecessarily high draft position, however, and he will find the going tough.
 
Bob McGinn's final top 100 NFL draft board

By Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel

The Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn lists the first 100 players that he expects to be selected in the National Football League draft this week. Note: McGinn's top 100 NFL draft board has been scored as the best in the country for two consecutive years, according to The Huddle Report, which tracks the top draft analysts.

OFFENSE (49)

WIDE RECEIVERS (15) – Sammy Watkins, Clemson; Mike Evans, Texas A&M; Odell Beckham, Louisiana State; Brandin Cooks, Oregon State; Marqise Lee, Southern California; Cody Latimer, Indiana; Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt; Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State; Allen Robinson, Penn State; Davante Adams, Fresno State; Jarvis Landry, Louisiana State; Donte Moncrief, Mississippi; Martavis Bryant, Clemson; Paul Richardson, Colorado; Kevin Norwood, Alabama.

TIGHT ENDS (4) – Eric Ebron, North Carolina State; Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington; Jace Amaro, Texas Tech; Troy Niklas, Notre Dame.

TACKLES (7) – Greg Robinson, Auburn; Jake Matthews, Texas A&M; Taylor Lewan, Michigan; Ja’Wuan James, Tennessee; Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama; Jack Mewhort, Ohio State; Morgan Moses, Virginia.

GUARDS (7) – Zack Martin, Notre Dame; Joel Bitonio, Nevada; Xavier Su’a-Filo, UCLA; Trai Turner, Louisiana State; Gabe Jackson, Mississippi; Cyril Richardson, Baylor; David Yankey, Stanford.

CENTERS (3) – Weston Richburg, Colorado State; Marcus Martin, Southern California; Russell Bodine, North Carolina.

QUARTERBACKS (7) – Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M; Blake Bortles, Central Florida; Derek Carr, Fresno State; Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville; Jimmy Garappolo, Eastern Illinois; A.J. McCarron, Alabama; Tom Savage, Pittsburgh.

RUNNING BACKS (6) – Carlos Hyde, Ohio State; Jeremy Hill, Louisiana State; Bishop Sankey, Washington; Tre Mason, Auburn; Andre Williams, Boston College; Ka’Deem Carey, Arizona.

DEFENSE (51)

DEFENSIVE ENDS (10) – Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina; Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame; Kony Ealy, Missouri; Dee Ford, Auburn; Kareem Martin, North Carolina; Scott Crichton, Oregon State; Will Clarke, West Virginia; Trent Murphy, Stanford; Chris Smith, Arkansas; Brent Urban, Virginia.

DEFENSIVE TACKLES (9) – Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh; Ra’Shede Hageman, Minnesota; Louis Nix, Notre Dame; Timmy Jernigan, Florida State; DaQuan Jones, Penn State; Dominique Easley, Florida; Ego Ferguson, Louisiana State; Shamar Stephen, Connecticut; Will Sutton, Arizona State.

INSIDE LINEBACKERS (5) – C.J. Mosley, Alabama; Ryan Shazier, Ohio State; Chris Borland, Wisconsin; Preston Brown, Louisville; Telvin Smith, Florida State.

OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS (7) – Khalil Mack, Buffalo; Anthony Barr, UCLA; Demarcus Lawrence, Boise State; Kyle Van Noy, Brigham Young; Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech; Marcus Smith, Louisville; Christian Jones, Florida State.

CORNERBACKS (13) – Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State; Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State; Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech; Bradley Roby, Ohio State; Jason Verrett, Texas Christian; Stanley Jean-Baptiste, Nebraska; Ross Cockrell, Duke; Pierre Desir, Lindenwood; Aaron Colvin, Oklahoma; Bashaud Breeland, Clemson; Marcus Roberson, Florida; Rashaad Reynolds, Oregon State; Jaylen Watkins, Florida.


SAFETIES (7) – Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama; Calvin Pryor, Louisville; Deone Bucannon, Washington State; Jimmie Ward, Northern Illinois; Terrence Brooks, Florida State; Lamarcus Joyner, Florida State; Brock Vereen, Minnesota.
 
So the skill players according to his key would break down like this-

6.79 - 6.60 Outstanding player, consistent Pro Bowler

1 Sammy Watkins Clemson 6.64

6.59 - 6.30 Very good to good starter, definite first round talent

2 Mike Evans Texas A&M 6.50

1 Johnny Manziel Texas A&M 6.45

1 Eric Ebron North Carolina 6.44

3 Odell Beckham, Jr. Louisiana State 6.40

4 Brandin Cooks Oregon State 6.31

2 Teddy Bridgewater Louisville 6.30

6.29 - 6.16 Borderline first rounder, Top 40 talent

3 Blake Bortles Central Florida 6.29

5 Marquise Lee Southern California 6.22

4 Derek Carr Fresno State 6.19

6.2 - 5.6 - 2nd round value

2 Jace Amaro Texas Tech 6.15

3 Austin Seferian-Jenkins Washington 6.14

6 Kelvin Benjamin Miami, FL 6.11

7 Cody Latimer Indiana 6.06

8 Donte Moncrief Mississippi 6.05

9 Martavis Bryant Clemson 5.95

10 Allen Robinson Penn State 5.95

1 Carlos Hyde Ohio State 5.72

5 Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois 5.71

6 Zach Mettenberger Louisiana State 5.63

2 Bishop Sankey Washington 5.62

5.5 - 5.0 3rd round value

3 Jeremy Hill Louisiana State 5.51

4 Tre Mason Auburn 5.51

5 Andre Williams Boston College 5.50

6 Devonta Freeman Florida State 5.37

4 Troy Niklas Notre Dame 5.23

5 C.J. Fiedorowicz Iowa 5.21

7 Lache Seastrunk Baylor 5.15

4.9 - 4.5 4th round value

8 Terrance West Towson 4.92

9 Ka'Deem Carey Arizona 4.91

6 Colt Lyerla 4.85

10 Charles Sims West Virginia 4.79

 
Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater in position to succeed earlyBy Bryan Fischer

College Football 24/7 writer

NFL Media analyst Brian Billick was not afraid to dive into the research notebook ahead of Day 2 of the 2014 NFL Draft and came away with a little nugget about quarterbacks taken in the late first round while he was at it.

In the past 15 drafts, 10 quarterbacks have been taken between picks 20 and 32. Of those 10, including Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater, only one -- Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers -- has failed to be a bust. We don't yet know how Bridgewater and Manziel will turn out in the NFL, but as Billick alludes to, being mentioned with the likes of Tim Tebow, J.P. Losman and Patrick Ramsey doesn't exactly bode well for their futures.

Can the pair of 2014 first-round signal-callers buck the trend and end up more like Rodgers? Several NFL Network analysts weighted in on the subject, and almost to a man they thought the two join the league in good situations with enough talent around them. In fact, both players have a better chance to succeed than the first quarterback drafted this year, Blake Bortles.

"I don't think Bortles is in the best situation because I don't believe they have the talent on that roster to surround him and have him make plays early," former quarterback Kurt Warner said. "I'm intrigued by Johnny Manziel in Cleveland. They may have the best roster, a solid defense, some playmakers on offense to help him out and a good tight end."

Despite their identical 4-12 records in 2013, there's little argument that Cleveland sports the better roster heading into the season, even before factoring in what each squad does in the draft. The Browns sent four offensive players to the Pro Bowl and had some early-season momentum before Brian Hoyer tore his ACL. The Jaguars did open the wallets in free agency to beef up the offense, but even with that the team will be lacking some game-changing playmakers for Bortles to develop chemistry with.

The plan general manager David Caldwell outlined for Bortles at his introductory press conference indicated the team plans to sit the quarterback during the season before taking over for starter Chad Henne. As we've seen time and time again however -- especially with top five picks -- things rarely turn out as planned and a rookie quarterback is often pressed into action before they're ready. While Bortles might have the luxury of having some time on the bench, he probably won't have as much as planned.


As for Manziel, Browns fans will also clamor for him to see the field sooner rather than later. The good news for the Heisman Trophy winner is he'll have Ben Tate to hand the ball off to, Josh Gordon on the outside to throw to and a solid offensive line. But as much talent as there is in Cleveland, the best situation might belong to Bridgewater in Minnesota.

The Vikings, of course, have the league's best running back in Adrian Peterson and a dynamic threat at wideout in Cordarrelle Patterson. Add in an experienced offensive coordinator in Norv Turner, and it could be the final first-round pick that ends up being the best rookie in 2014.

"A lot of it starts with Adrian Peterson," Warner said. "Here's a guy that can take the pressure off of you right off the bat because you can hand him the ball. B, he's going to force defenses to drop extra guys in the box to stop him. That makes the coverages you'll see in situations as a young quarterback much easier to handle. You're not going to see nearly as many looks and you'll probably get more one-on-one opportunities."

All three first-round quarterbacks will have to beat out incumbant veteran starters in fall camp or during the season first, so it's always a guessing game who will see the field first. Taking a look at each of their situations would lead many to believe the Vikings and Browns would at least be OK in the short term if forced to insert a rookie early in the 2014 campaign.

Follow Bryan Fischer on Twitter @BryanDFischer.
 
Updated my rankings. You can find the link in my sig.

As usual, the descriptions are as important as the # ranks. Know what you're getting and then decide for yourself what it's worth to you.

 
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Updated my rankings. You can find the link in my sig.

As usual, the descriptions are as important as the # ranks. Know what you're getting and then decide for yourself what it's worth to you.
Good effort. I would bump up the running backs as a whole about 5-6 slots, but that's just me. Solid positional rankings and explanations.I told you that you were too low on Sankey : )

 
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I know I'm not going to change your mind on Matthews but your description of him doesn't make any sense. You talk about Adams as a WR2 in a great situation which is a positive for him and then you call Matthews a WR2 but don't upgrade him for being drafted into a great situation. You also say he doesn't have great vertical speed. He ran a 4.46 at the combine and he showed that speed on the field too. He never got caught from behind bro. His speed is real. I think you made your mind up about him and you won't be swayed. That's kind of bad because you are not being consistent and you are going against a lot of metrics Matthews checks off that you use to value players.

Metrics Matthews checks off that you use

6'3 212

4.46 40 That's vertical speed

Above average vert

Drafted onto a high octane offense

High draft position and a team moved up to get him.

Insane production in the SEC

Metrics Matthews doesn't check off

Bad tape (I don't agree but this is your list)

 
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I still don't like Sankey much. I think the opportunity dictates the pick to some extent.
A lot of solid options are still available in the 3rd round: Paul Richardson, Martavias Bryant, Jarvis Landry, Storm Johnson, Isaiah Crowell, Ka'Deem Carey, Jered Abbrederis, Brandon Coleman, and James White....

I've never seen such depth like this in past years...

 
Updated my rankings. You can find the link in my sig.

As usual, the descriptions are as important as the # ranks. Know what you're getting and then decide for yourself what it's worth to you.
Nice work man. Are you putting Ebron over Eifert now!! I don't like it

 
Updated my rankings. You can find the link in my sig.

As usual, the descriptions are as important as the # ranks. Know what you're getting and then decide for yourself what it's worth to you.
Nice work man.Are you putting Ebron over Eifert now!! I don't like it
They're close. I like that Ebron went so high. It's only 11 spots higher than where Eifert went, but it puts him in rare company.

Ultimately, I like both players and have both of them on many teams.

 
I know I'm not going to change your mind on Matthews but your description of him doesn't make any sense. You talk about Adams as a WR2 in a great situation which is a positive for him and then you call Matthews a WR2 but don't upgrade him for being drafted into a great situation. You also say he doesn't have great vertical speed. He ran a 4.46 at the combine and he showed that speed on the field too. He never got caught from behind bro. His speed is real. I think you made your mind up about him and you won't be swayed. That's kind of bad because you are not being consistent and you are going against a lot of metrics Matthews checks off that you use to value players.

Metrics Matthews checks off that you use

6'3 212

4.46 40 That's vertical speed

Above average vert

Drafted onto a high octane offense

High draft position and a team moved up to get him.

Insane production in the SEC

Metrics Matthews doesn't check off

Bad tape (I don't agree but this is your list)
I wish I liked Matthews more. I agree with your post and ultimately side with EBF as well. Everything checks out for Matthews from his athleticism to his college production to his high wonderlic but when I watch him on tape, my eyes don't see anything extraordinary like I see with Davante Adams or Allen Robinson. I feel like I'm missing the boat on him because so many see something special, I don't see it though.

 
Updated my rankings. You can find the link in my sig.

As usual, the descriptions are as important as the # ranks. Know what you're getting and then decide for yourself what it's worth to you.
Nice work man.Are you putting Ebron over Eifert now!! I don't like it
They're close. I like that Ebron went so high. It's only 11 spots higher than where Eifert went, but it puts him in rare company.

Ultimately, I like both players and have both of them on many teams.
Don't be a politician. Who's the better pro prospect?
 
I know I'm not going to change your mind on Matthews but your description of him doesn't make any sense. You talk about Adams as a WR2 in a great situation which is a positive for him and then you call Matthews a WR2 but don't upgrade him for being drafted into a great situation. You also say he doesn't have great vertical speed. He ran a 4.46 at the combine and he showed that speed on the field too. He never got caught from behind bro. His speed is real. I think you made your mind up about him and you won't be swayed. That's kind of bad because you are not being consistent and you are going against a lot of metrics Matthews checks off that you use to value players.

Metrics Matthews checks off that you use

6'3 212

4.46 40 That's vertical speed

Above average vert

Drafted onto a high octane offense

High draft position and a team moved up to get him.

Insane production in the SEC

Metrics Matthews doesn't check off

Bad tape (I don't agree but this is your list)
He doesn't really do anything at an exceptional level. He's tall, but not strong or thick. Quite light for his height.

His timed speed is good. Not great. His playing speed maybe a little worse. He doesn't torch people vertically like DeSean Jackson did.

He's not quick or big enough to be used as an over-the-middle possession catch-and-run guy.

High character and hard worker, but he drops passes.

He's a college superstar with average traits for the NFL. The SEC is tough for a college conference, but ultimately it's amateur football. A lot of the guys who shred that league won't do anything on Sundays (see: Tebow, McFadden). I just think he reads like a very ordinary NFL WR2. Like a slightly taller Brian Hartline.

This is a deep group and the guys ranked ahead of him all have quality traits as well. Someone has to fall.

I'm no Adams fan, but the Green Bay WR situation is a proven FF factory. Philadelphia slightly less so. Yes, Jackson was great there and Cooper had some good games, but Jackson was already an established talent and I'm not spending a top 20 rookie pick on Riley Cooper.

For me, I just don't think he's that great. If I'm wrong, oh well.

 
Updated my rankings. You can find the link in my sig.

As usual, the descriptions are as important as the # ranks. Know what you're getting and then decide for yourself what it's worth to you.
Nice work man.Are you putting Ebron over Eifert now!! I don't like it
They're close. I like that Ebron went so high. It's only 11 spots higher than where Eifert went, but it puts him in rare company.

Ultimately, I like both players and have both of them on many teams.
Don't be a politician. Who's the better pro prospect?
Ebron makes more spectacular plays, so I'll say Ebron.

 
Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans face high expectations as rookiesBy Bryan Fischer

College Football 24/7 writer

If an NFL team is picking a wide receiver in the top 10 of the NFL draft, chances are he is one of the best receivers in that class, and the team itself is lacking options in the passing game.

That's why it's no surprise to see the "Path to the Draft" crew go right to the top of the draft board and say that Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans are the two receivers primed to have the biggest impact as rookie wideouts.

Which of the two will find themselves in the end zone more often, however, is still up for debate.

"Sammy Watkins, because Stevie Johnson is no longer the No. 1 receiver in Buffalo," NFL Media analyst Charles Davis said. "This guy will waltz right in and takes over as the primary target for quarterback E.J. Manuel. They have some other good players there now like Robert Woods and Marqise Goodwin, but this guy, he has dynamic playmaking abilitiy. He can help his quarterback right now."

Expectations are high for Watkins to fill that role as the Bills' No. 1 receiver after the team traded two picks to the Cleveland Browns -- including next year's first-round selection -- in order to take him at No. 4 overall. He certainly is a speed upgrade over Johnson and figures to help energize the Bills' passing game, which was inconsistent last season with injuries to Manuel.

Evans, however, might be walking into an even better situation in Tampa Bay. Although he will be slotted in behind Vincent Jackson on the pecking order, the presense of a big-time veteran target will probably help him find success, with defenses unable to focus on him like they will Watkins. Additionally, the 6-foot-5 Evans will be a huge threat in the end zone for quarterback Josh McCown opposite of Jackson.

"You're talking about two No. 1 (wide receivers) on the field at the same time," NFL Media analyst Curtis Conway said. "Once they get inside the 20, who are you going to double team?

"I think Evans is going to make a huge impact on the other side of the 20."

The 2014 NFL Draft was one of the deepest in years at the receiver position, but it's easy to see why the first two taken at Radio City Music Hall will be able to have an instant impact for their teams. Only one receiver in the past 10 years has won NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year honors, but given Evans' and Watkins' abilities, there's a good chance both end up in the conversation at the end of the season for the award.

Follow Bryan Fischer on Twitter @BryanDFischer.
 
I know I'm not going to change your mind on Matthews but your description of him doesn't make any sense. You talk about Adams as a WR2 in a great situation which is a positive for him and then you call Matthews a WR2 but don't upgrade him for being drafted into a great situation. You also say he doesn't have great vertical speed. He ran a 4.46 at the combine and he showed that speed on the field too. He never got caught from behind bro. His speed is real. I think you made your mind up about him and you won't be swayed. That's kind of bad because you are not being consistent and you are going against a lot of metrics Matthews checks off that you use to value players.

Metrics Matthews checks off that you use

6'3 212

4.46 40 That's vertical speed

Above average vert

Drafted onto a high octane offense

High draft position and a team moved up to get him.

Insane production in the SEC

Metrics Matthews doesn't check off

Bad tape (I don't agree but this is your list)
He doesn't really do anything at an exceptional level. He's tall, but not strong or thick. Quite light for his height.

His timed speed is good. Not great. His playing speed maybe a little worse. He doesn't torch people vertically like DeSean Jackson did.

He's not quick or big enough to be used as an over-the-middle possession catch-and-run guy.

High character and hard worker, but he drops passes.

He's a college superstar with average traits for the NFL. The SEC is tough for a college conference, but ultimately it's amateur football. A lot of the guys who shred that league won't do anything on Sundays (see: Tebow, McFadden). I just think he reads like a very ordinary NFL WR2. Like a slightly taller Brian Hartline.

This is a deep group and the guys ranked ahead of him all have quality traits as well. Someone has to fall.

I'm no Adams fan, but the Green Bay WR situation is a proven FF factory. Philadelphia slightly less so. Yes, Jackson was great there and Cooper had some good games, but Jackson was already an established talent and I'm not spending a top 20 rookie pick on Riley Cooper.

For me, I just don't think he's that great. If I'm wrong, oh well.
Now, see, there's where you lost me.

I've thought all along that Matthews was overrated for fantasy purposes. He's this year's DeAndre Hopkins, who does everything well, but nothing spectacular - which in FF is the recipe for a perpetual WR3/WR4-caliber guy, one step above production you can find for free on the WW. I'd usually rather take my chances on a higher-risk guy with one or two A+ qualities, a Cooks or Moncrief, than a B+ guy across the board.

But as an Eagles fan, I'm thrilled they got Matthews. I think "good across the board" is good enough in Chip Kelly's offense, and he was very near the top of my list of guys who would be the perfect scheme fit for them. Is he the next Calvin Johnson? No, of course not - the next Calvin Johnson doesn't fall to the second round in today's NFL. But I'd take "the next Anquan Boldin" all day long as a fan, even if it doesn't help me win any fantasy championships.

 
I know I'm not going to change your mind on Matthews but your description of him doesn't make any sense. You talk about Adams as a WR2 in a great situation which is a positive for him and then you call Matthews a WR2 but don't upgrade him for being drafted into a great situation. You also say he doesn't have great vertical speed. He ran a 4.46 at the combine and he showed that speed on the field too. He never got caught from behind bro. His speed is real. I think you made your mind up about him and you won't be swayed. That's kind of bad because you are not being consistent and you are going against a lot of metrics Matthews checks off that you use to value players.

Metrics Matthews checks off that you use

6'3 212

4.46 40 That's vertical speed

Above average vert

Drafted onto a high octane offense

High draft position and a team moved up to get him.

Insane production in the SEC

Metrics Matthews doesn't check off

Bad tape (I don't agree but this is your list)
He doesn't really do anything at an exceptional level. He's tall, but not strong or thick. Quite light for his height.

His timed speed is good. Not great. His playing speed maybe a little worse. He doesn't torch people vertically like DeSean Jackson did.

He's not quick or big enough to be used as an over-the-middle possession catch-and-run guy.

High character and hard worker, but he drops passes.

He's a college superstar with average traits for the NFL. The SEC is tough for a college conference, but ultimately it's amateur football. A lot of the guys who shred that league won't do anything on Sundays (see: Tebow, McFadden). I just think he reads like a very ordinary NFL WR2. Like a slightly taller Brian Hartline.

This is a deep group and the guys ranked ahead of him all have quality traits as well. Someone has to fall.

I'm no Adams fan, but the Green Bay WR situation is a proven FF factory. Philadelphia slightly less so. Yes, Jackson was great there and Cooper had some good games, but Jackson was already an established talent and I'm not spending a top 20 rookie pick on Riley Cooper.

For me, I just don't think he's that great. If I'm wrong, oh well.
Now, see, there's where you lost me.

I've thought all along that Matthews was overrated for fantasy purposes. He's this year's DeAndre Hopkins, who does everything well, but nothing spectacular - which in FF is the recipe for a perpetual WR3/WR4-caliber guy, one step above production you can find for free on the WW. I'd usually rather take my chances on a higher-risk guy with one or two A+ qualities, a Cooks or Moncrief, than a B+ guy across the board.

But as an Eagles fan, I'm thrilled they got Matthews. I think "good across the board" is good enough in Chip Kelly's offense, and he was very near the top of my list of guys who would be the perfect scheme fit for them. Is he the next Calvin Johnson? No, of course not - the next Calvin Johnson doesn't fall to the second round in today's NFL. But I'd take "the next Anquan Boldin" all day long as a fan, even if it doesn't help me win any fantasy championships.
Boldin has 11,000+ career receiving yards. That's in the top 30 all time. He's #20 on the career receptions leaderboard. He might finish his career as one of the top 20 NFL receivers ever. It's a huge stretch to think that a random 2nd rounder is going to make that kind of impact. It's about as realistic as thinking Bishop Sankey is the next Frank Gore. A perennial Pro Bowl threat. You're talking about the absolute best possible career outcome.

Boldin is a huge target with great RAC skills. He may be slow in a straight line, but he has standout physical traits with his size and quickness. I don't particularly like Hopkins, but he's a totally different style of player from Matthews. Slower, but stronger and more specialized for one specific role.

Matthews may produce in that offense, but he's equally likely to become a bit player when Philly drafts a legitimate #1 in the near future. Being average in every way doesn't usually equate to great NFL performance. He might not deserve to be so far below guys like Robinson and Latimer, but I don't see great things in his future.

 
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Dynasty league rookie draft presents tough decisionsBy Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com

Many dynasty leagues will hold rookie drafts this weekend.

If you pick near the middle of the first round like I do (No. 6 overall), you'll have your choice of any running back or quarterback. Receivers and possibly tight end Eric Ebron will dominate the top half of the first round.

Buffalo's Sammy Watkins and Tampa Bay's Mike Evans will go 1-2 in almost every draft. With their talent and the situations they're stepping into, they form a tier of their own. The 3-5 range features the Giants' Odell Beckham, the Saints' Brandin Cooks , the Panthers' Kelvin Benjamin and the Eagles' Jordan Matthews, plus Ebron.

That works for my running back-deficient, receiver-deep squad. My top three RBs are Reggie Bush, Joique Bell and Darren Sproles. Two aren't getting any younger, and Bell is dealing with a knee injury.

The question is, Bishop Sankey or Carlos Hyde ?

Sankey is virtually guaranteed to do more in 2014. The Titans made him the first running back off the board. He only has to beat out Shonn Greene, who's had two surgeries on the same knee since September.

Sankey's longterm future isn't as bright. The Washington Huskies overused him, giving him 653 touches the last two seasons. He isn't going to break as many tackles as Hyde.

Hyde projects as San Francisco's 2015 starter. The 49ers made a huge investment in him. There's almost no better situation (offensive line, philosophy) for a running back.

Tre Mason, Terrance West and Devonta Freeman are other intriguing RBs who could start sooner than most think. One likely will be available in the second round, so it's Sankey or Hyde at No. 6 overall.

Hyde gets the nod for longterm value.
 
I think Sankey vs Hyde is a fascinating question.

Sankey 2015 vs Hyde 2015, I have to think favors Hyde. 2014 obviously favors Sankey.

I don't want this to be an assistant coach column but it's interesting to me that you can almost re-project the backs in 2015 terms and even a guy like Freeman might be ahead of Sankey.

For rebuilding teams, I wonder whether the RB order shouldn't be Hyde-Freeman-Sankey.

 

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