[Dynasty] 2015 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)

[CR69]

Is a TE who can't block really a TE? I see guys like Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green as basically being WRs in everything but name. Whether Funchess is called a WR or a TE by the team that drafts him, I think his role is going to overwhelmingly be as a pass catcher, so all that really matters is evaluating his receiving skills. I would say the whole "TE or WR?" discussion is pointless if not for the fact that the positional designation has relevance for FF leagues.

Green was ranked the 15th best TE for blocking last year by PFF. That being said, I think Funchess should focus on being a Mike Evans or Marques Colston type of player. He could succeed in an Aaron Hernandez role, but most coaches lack the creativity to use a player like that.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

 

[EBF]

On the topic of WRs, get to know Vince Mayle from Washington State. He caught my attention in the Oregon game a few weeks back and has been putting up strong numbers this season. He has #1 NFL WR dimensions and shows pretty good movement skills. Check out this ankle-breaker from last week:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11603837

He already burned Cal for a long TD tonight and it's not even halftime.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11644153

 

[Xue]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

What are you talking about? He'll be drafted and not get a contract if he's a WR?

 

[Xue]

On the topic of WRs, get to know Vince Mayle from Washington State. He caught my attention in the Oregon game a few weeks back and has been putting up strong numbers this season. He has #1 NFL WR dimensions and shows pretty good movement skills. Check out this ankle-breaker from last week:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11603837

He already burned Cal for a long TD tonight and it's not even halftime.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11644153

Mayle is a 6th-year Senior, so he's at least 24 or could be 25. Pass.

 

[Xue]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, and Kelvin Benjamin are similarly sized to Funchess and didn't "move" to TE. Funchess will be fine. jurb likes to see what he wants to see.

 

[EBF]

On the topic of WRs, get to know Vince Mayle from Washington State. He caught my attention in the Oregon game a few weeks back and has been putting up strong numbers this season. He has #1 NFL WR dimensions and shows pretty good movement skills. Check out this ankle-breaker from last week:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11603837

He already burned Cal for a long TD tonight and it's not even halftime.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11644153

Mayle is a 6th-year Senior, so he's at least 24 or could be 25. Pass.

Whether or not Mayle is a strong prospect, talent is a more important variable than age (within reason). An over-aged player with high talent is preferable to a young player with a much lower ceiling. This is common sense in FF. It's why great veterans like Brandon Marshall and Frank Gore get rostered in every league while mediocre day three/UDFA rookies populate the waiver wire. The only players who matter are the players who are good enough to become top scorers at their position. Therefore the most important thing to ask yourself about any player is whether or not he has the talent to become a top scorer. A player's age is basically independent of his peak talent level and isn't therefore a good reason to dismiss somebody on its own.

I can understand age being used as a tiebreaker for two players who have similar current ability or as a tool to predict improvement for younger players, but it's not a good reason to dismiss a player outright. This becomes more obvious when you think about veteran players. If I say, "Steve Smith is a good receiver" and you reply with "he's old" then you haven't done anything to address the actual issue of his talent. Likewise, if I say "Vince Mayle might be a good prospect" and you reply with "he's old" then you haven't done anything to address the actual issue of his talent. There's an implication that his age causes his "talent" in the sense that he only looks good because he's 3-4 years older than many of the players in college football. I get that, but ultimately it's not a refutation of his peak ability level itself. If you could somehow drop 24 year old Larry Fitzgerald into college football, pointing out that he's 24 wouldn't suddenly invalidate his future completely. He'd still possess the requisite talent to go into the NFL and thrive for several seasons, which is all that matters.

Whether or not Mayle has any kind of a future, there have been plenty of guys who came into the NFL over-aged and still made an impact. Kelvin Benjamin is doing it right now as a 23 year old rookie who turns 24 in February. I don't think his owners are too concerned by the fact that he was an over-aged draft prospect at this point. Like any one variable, if you put too much stock in it then you're inevitably going to miss the bigger picture at times.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, and Kelvin Benjamin are similarly sized to Funchess and didn't "move" to TE. Funchess will be fine. jurb likes to see what he wants to see.

Oh, I agree with you. I just wanted his reasoning.

 

[Xue]

On the topic of WRs, get to know Vince Mayle from Washington State. He caught my attention in the Oregon game a few weeks back and has been putting up strong numbers this season. He has #1 NFL WR dimensions and shows pretty good movement skills. Check out this ankle-breaker from last week:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11603837

He already burned Cal for a long TD tonight and it's not even halftime.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11644153

Mayle is a 6th-year Senior, so he's at least 24 or could be 25. Pass.

Whether or not Mayle is a strong prospect, talent is a more important variable than age (within reason). An over-aged player with high talent is preferable to a young player with a much lower ceiling. This is common sense in FF. It's why great veterans like Brandon Marshall and Frank Gore get rostered in every league while mediocre day three/UDFA rookies populate the waiver wire. The only players who matter are the players who are good enough to become top scorers at their position. Therefore the most important thing to ask yourself about any player is whether or not he has the talent to become a top scorer. A player's age is basically independent of his peak talent level and isn't therefore a good reason to dismiss somebody on its own.

I can understand age being used as a tiebreaker for two players who have similar current ability or as a tool to predict improvement for younger players, but it's not a good reason to dismiss a player outright. This becomes more obvious when you think about veteran players. If I say, "Steve Smith is a good receiver" and you reply with "he's old" then you haven't done anything to address the actual issue of his talent. Likewise, if I say "Vince Mayle might be a good prospect" and you reply with "he's old" then you haven't done anything to address the actual issue of his talent. There's an implication that his age causes his "talent" in the sense that he only looks good because he's 3-4 years older than many of the players in college football. I get that, but ultimately it's not a refutation of his peak ability level itself. If you could somehow drop 24 year old Larry Fitzgerald into college football, pointing out that he's 24 wouldn't suddenly invalidate his future completely. He'd still possess the requisite talent to go into the NFL and thrive for several seasons, which is all that matters.

Whether or not Mayle has any kind of a future, there have been plenty of guys who came into the NFL over-aged and still made an impact. Kelvin Benjamin is doing it right now as a 23 year old rookie who turns 24 in February. I don't think his owners are too concerned by the fact that he was an over-aged draft prospect at this point. Like any one variable, if you put too much stock in it then you're inevitably going to miss the bigger picture at times.

Mayle looks great on tape. But you seriously just compared a college player to proven NFL players. That's quite flawed.

If Mayle was a 25-26 year old NFL player then the comparison is valid, but it's not. I'll take Steve Smith over Vince Mayle or other young WRs because Smith is proven regardless of age.

A 24-year old Fitzgerald would never still be in college because he dominated from an early age. Mayle has only accounted for 18% of team's receiving yards (before today's game) this season. Couple that with the fact that he's probably 24 or 25 already does not bode well for his projection. Washington State has a extreme spread Air Raid system, but it shouldn't be an excuse as to why Mayle's production is so low.

Benjamin is doing well fantasy-wise because he was a 1st rounder and was handed a starting job because the Panthers believe in him no matter what. He still has drops issues. If he was a 4th rounder he wouldn't be seeing as many targets come his way. He'd just have the same value as Martavis Bryant. I highly doubt Mayle will even sniff Day 2.

Edited to add this below.

Here are top 24-year old rookie seasons of WRs close in size to Mayle going back 20 years: http://pfref.com/tiny/5NZl9

The two guys who turned in the best careers were 1st rounders.

Here is the same list, except the age is changed to 25: http://pfref.com/tiny/rRJm1

 

[BigTex]

Is a TE who can't block really a TE? I see guys like Jordan Reed and Ladarius Green as basically being WRs in everything but name. Whether Funchess is called a WR or a TE by the team that drafts him, I think his role is going to overwhelmingly be as a pass catcher, so all that really matters is evaluating his receiving skills. I would say the whole "TE or WR?" discussion is pointless if not for the fact that the positional designation has relevance for FF leagues.

This is the most confusing post you've ever made.

 

[jurb26]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, and Kelvin Benjamin are similarly sized to Funchess and didn't "move" to TE. Funchess will be fine. jurb likes to see what he wants to see.

I like to see what I want to see yet you continue to post videos that show you are seeing what you want to see?What I'd "like" to see is Funchess display anything near the athleticism of guys like Marshall and Jackson before I view him as a guy who can play WR consistently in the NFL. This isn't about what I want to see it's about what I do see.

 

[jurb26]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

What are you talking about? He'll be drafted and not get a contract if he's a WR?

He needs to worry about his rookie contract first. What he's paid will depend on where he's drafted. He'd get drafted higher as a TE so, his agent will get him more money as a TE. Why we are fast forwarding to his 2nd contract is beyond me.

 

[jurb26]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

It's not that I think he can't cut it. It's that I think he would be better as a TE.

 

[BigTex]

Gordon has moved to #3 and Gurley #6. I still believe that Gurley would be much higher is he had not be pulled out of a few games when Georgia had teams blown out unlike Wisconsin, they actually keep feeding Gordon the ball.

:twocents:

Tex

ETA: To his credit Ameer has moved into the #1 spot but only 7 yards ahead of Gordon. The next few weeks are going to be interesting. I believe this is the first time years and I can't remember the last time that the most sought after running back were actually in the top 5 or top 10. It's usually no name guys from smaller schools that play lesser competition. Even Ajayi is ranked #8 in the country and Coleman #4.

Unless an injury occurs, 2015 is clearly the year to stock up on draft picks more than any other year including last year.

 

[Hankmoody]

Just curious... Do FBGers think the 2015 draft will be one of the strongest in the last several years? If so the time to acquire 1st round picks in dynasty leagues is right now. To me, it seems like the RB class is superior by a wide margin this year versus years past.

In one rebuild I have 5 first, 2 second, and 3 thirds. In another I have 6, 3, 0. I feel like I'm on a 6 month sugar high.

 

[Faust]

NFL GM compares Dak Prescott to Tim Tebow

Scout's Notebook: Dak Prescott an intriguing prospect to follow

Dak Prescott's game vs. TAMU should be eye-opener for scouts

2015 NFL Draft: Dak Prescott, Miss. State dominate Texas A&M

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Montgomery's drops key as Notre Dame beats Stanford

 

[Xue]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, and Kelvin Benjamin are similarly sized to Funchess and didn't "move" to TE. Funchess will be fine. jurb likes to see what he wants to see.

I like to see what I want to see yet you continue to post videos that show you are seeing what you want to see?What I'd "like" to see is Funchess display anything near the athleticism of guys like Marshall and Jackson before I view him as a guy who can play WR consistently in the NFL. This isn't about what I want to see it's about what I do see.

Still waiting for you to point out the first push in the Funchess GIF I posted.

 

[jurb26]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, and Kelvin Benjamin are similarly sized to Funchess and didn't "move" to TE. Funchess will be fine. jurb likes to see what he wants to see.

I like to see what I want to see yet you continue to post videos that show you are seeing what you want to see?What I'd "like" to see is Funchess display anything near the athleticism of guys like Marshall and Jackson before I view him as a guy who can play WR consistently in the NFL. This isn't about what I want to see it's about what I do see.

Still waiting for you to point out the first push in the Funchess GIF I posted.

And I'm still waiting for you to post a video that actually shows speed and quickness.

 

[Xue]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

What are you talking about? He'll be drafted and not get a contract if he's a WR?

He needs to worry about his rookie contract first. What he's paid will depend on where he's drafted. He'd get drafted higher as a TE so, his agent will get him more money as a TE. Why we are fast forwarding to his 2nd contract is beyond me.

How can he be drafted higher as a TE? Why would a team draft him higher simply to announce him as a TE? Doesn't make any sense.

He moves a lot better than Mike Evans and is a more polished and varied route runner. Mike Evans was taken 7th overall. He could realistically go in the same range as a WR.

 

[Faust]

Eighteen things you need to know from Week 6 in CFB

 

[Xue]

Still waiting for you to point out the first push in the Funchess GIF I posted.

And I'm still waiting for you to post a video that actually shows speed and quickness.

[SIZE=14.6666669845581px]Plenty of speed and quickness in the GIF I posted since Funchess never pushed off the first time[/SIZE]

 

[Faust]

Winners and losers from Week 6's college football games

 

[jurb26]

Still waiting for you to point out the first push in the Funchess GIF I posted.

And I'm still waiting for you to post a video that actually shows speed and quickness.

Plenty of speed and quickness in the GIF I posted since Funchess never pushed off the first time

No, but you can tell yourself that if you want.

 

[EBF]

 

[Xue]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, and Kelvin Benjamin are similarly sized to Funchess and didn't "move" to TE. Funchess will be fine. jurb likes to see what he wants to see.

I like to see what I want to see yet you continue to post videos that show you are seeing what you want to see?What I'd "like" to see is Funchess display anything near the athleticism of guys like Marshall and Jackson before I view him as a guy who can play WR consistently in the NFL. This isn't about what I want to see it's about what I do see.

How many TEs in the history of the NFL does Funchess move like and is similarly sized to? How many WRs of the last 20 years in the NFL does Funchess move like?

 

[Xue]

Still waiting for you to point out the first push in the Funchess GIF I posted.

And I'm still waiting for you to post a video that actually shows speed and quickness.

Plenty of speed and quickness in the GIF I posted since Funchess never pushed off the first time

No, but you can tell yourself that if you want.

No what? No pushoff? Show me the pushoff. You can view the GIF frame by frame and in slow motion. Screen cap the exact frame or frames and post it.

http://www.gfycat.com/FirstWeepyKestrel

Also, I'd like to know a revised projected 40 time if you have one in mind.

 

[jurb26]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I guess I just don't think he needs to gain weight to play TE. I believe he can play at his current weight.

He's listed at 6'5", 230. He's plenty big enough to play TE if that's accurate. He could probably add a few pounds to his frame with out compromising his athletic ability as well. I think he could easily play at 235.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him measure in at 6'4"-6'5" and 220 by the time the combine gets here, he's got much more of a long WR body than big TE body, even in today's NFL. Plus he'll want to time as quickly as possible.You guys could be right, and I'll agree that he CAN play that flex TE role like Graham does.

But I don't see the point when he can line up outside at WR as a prototypical #1 target, and that's a more valuable position for most teams and harder to truly fill with a talented player.

It will come down to his advisors, agent, coaches and what scouts tell him I'm sure. He may lose weight if he makes a run at WR or he may add it if he focuses on TE. I'm not sure, either. I'd prefer him at TE is all.

If his agent is smart, he'll be a WR so he can make more money on his 2nd contract.

If his agent is smart he'll be a TE so he can get a contract.

You really don't think he can cut it as a WR?

Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, and Kelvin Benjamin are similarly sized to Funchess and didn't "move" to TE. Funchess will be fine. jurb likes to see what he wants to see.

I like to see what I want to see yet you continue to post videos that show you are seeing what you want to see?What I'd "like" to see is Funchess display anything near the athleticism of guys like Marshall and Jackson before I view him as a guy who can play WR consistently in the NFL. This isn't about what I want to see it's about what I do see.

How many TEs in the history of the NFL does Funchess move like and is similarly sized to? How many WRs of the last 20 years in the NFL does Funchess move like?

I already said who I think he is like earlier. Why do we have to go thru the history of the NFL now?

 

[Xue]

I already said who I think he is like earlier. Why do we have to go thru the history of the NFL now?

Martellus Bennett?

I want to understand the logic in saying he is a TE. He is similar to one certain player so that means he's a TE. Gotcha.

 

[Xue]

Still waiting for you to point out the first push in the Funchess GIF I posted.

And I'm still waiting for you to post a video that actually shows speed and quickness.

Plenty of speed and quickness in the GIF I posted since Funchess never pushed off the first time

No, but you can tell yourself that if you want.

No what? No pushoff? Show me the pushoff. You can view the GIF frame by frame and in slow motion. Screen cap the exact frame or frames and post it.

http://www.gfycat.com/FirstWeepyKestrel

Also, I'd like to know a revised projected 40 time if you have one in mind.

[SIZE=14.6666669845581px]http://gfycat.com/SnoopyFlickeringBooby[/SIZE]

 

[Faust]

2015 Mock Draft: Three QBs projected in Top 10, but not at No. 1

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24739572/mock-draft-three-qbs-projected-in-top-10-but-not-at-no-1

 

[Faust]

2015 Mock Draft: Jets find receiver help top-10

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24739639/mock-draft-jets-find-receiver-help-top-10

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Duke Johnson - RB - Hurricanes

Miami junior RB Duke Johnson impressed ESPN's Kevin Weidl with a few explosive runs against Georgia Tech on Saturday.

"Impressive vision," Weidl wrote. "Showing ability to create yards on his own." Johnson ran for 100 yards and a touchdown on 14 carries against the Yellow Jackets. Through Miami's six games, Johnson has shown sufficient explosion with a 6.3 YPC average and 625 yards.

Source: Kevin Weidl on Twitter

Oct 6 - 2:13 AM

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Week Six Stock Report

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24740896/nfl-draft-week-six-stock-report

 

[Faust]

Week Six: Risers & Sliders

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=10068

 

[Xue]

"DeVante Parker likely to play vs. Clemson" http://cjky.it/1xhXUeh

 

[jurb26]

http://gfycat.com/SnoopyFlickeringBooby

I like this clip better but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out how embarrassed I am for that DB and his lead foot technique at the LOS.

 

[Concept Coop]

http://gfycat.com/SnoopyFlickeringBooby

I like this clip better but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out how embarrassed I am for that DB and his lead foot technique at the LOS.

I hope you played DB in school, or are getting paid to analyze lead foot technique.

 

[Faust]

Dak Prescott compared to Cam Newton by Auburn coach

 

[Faust]

Melvin Gordon putting up big stats despite no passing attack

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Wisconsin redshirt junior RB Melvin Gordon III "is a legit possibility for Round 1 if healthy," writes ESPN's Mel Kiper.

"If it was 1986, or maybe even 1996, I'd watch Gordon and then go on TV and promise he'd be drafted inside the top 10," Kiper said. "The chiseled, 6-foot, 208-pounder has exceptional acceleration -- I call it takeoff speed -- and great lateral quickness, but he also runs with good power inside. He had been pretty absent from the passing game but is more involved this year, which is key for his NFL stock. My big worry is health given the position he plays, but he is a legit possibility for Round 1 if healthy, no small feat in this era." Gordon III rushed for a career-high 259 yards and a touchdown on 27 carries in Wisconsin's 20-14 upset loss to Northwestern on Saturday. Gordon has already rushed for 871 yards and nine touchdowns on 105 attempts (8.3 YPC).


Source: ESPN Insider
Oct 7 - 9:17 PM

 

[Faust]

Stock report: Bo Wallace on the rise, Dylan Thompson falls

 

[EBF]

Kevin Parks has a little bit of Rudi Johnson in him. Curious to see how the NFL rates him in May. I think he's a pretty good player.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11600532

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11600554

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11600766

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601073

 

[Xue]

Kevin Parks has a little bit of Rudi Johnson in him. Curious to see how the NFL rates him in May. I think he's a pretty good player.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11600532

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11600554

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11600766

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601073

Rudy was much bigger, 227 lbs, and more like Shonn Greene. Parks looks more like Justin Forsett, but probably a bit more athletic.

 

[Faust]

Meet the Prospect: Colorado State OT Ty Sambrailo

 

[Faust]

Draft order and needs for teams off to slow starts

 

[Faust]

Sources Tell Us: What we're hearing about top NFL prospects

 

[Faust]

NFL scouts taking notice of hyperproductive Tevin Coleman

 

[BigTex]

NFL scouts taking notice of hyperproductive Tevin Coleman

This article says it all and this kid who is in my top four is going to be a stud.

 

[Faust]

FSU's Jimbo Fisher expects Rashad Greene to play Saturday