[Dynasty] 2015 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)

[BigTex]

XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

 

[Milkman]

Any chance they list him as TE/WR?

 

[Xue]

XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?

 

[Xue]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Steve Muench ranks Michigan junior WR Devin Funchess as the No. 1 TE prospect.

"Funchess has the speed to play receiver, where he lines up now, and his NFL future may be on the outside as well," Muench wrote. "However, he has the frame to play F and he lined up at tight end earlier in his career. Funchess will never be an overpowering in-line run-blocker who can generate much push working against the front-side defensive end, but he could add 10 to 15 pounds and develop into a passable positional blocker with improved hand placement and pad level." The analyst believes the 6-foot-5 and 230-pound Funchess could stand to improve his ability to catch the ball away from his body. "But the reason he tops my board is his big-play ability. His speed, size and athleticism allow him to win 50-50 balls downfield," Muench wrote. "Plus, he has above-average burst after the catch. While he's also a big-play threat at receiver, he's that much more dangerous at tight end because he gets more favorable matchups."

Source: ESPN Insider

Oct 21 - 5:37 PM

More and more people are seeing the same vision. TE is the best position for him.

There are plenty who see him as a WR. He's best at TE because.....? He used to play there?

I'll take Funchess at WR before someone like Ty Montgomery.

Maybe we can let the NFL team that drafts him decide?

So we can't discuss, seems like the growing view is he's a better mismatch at TE which is what most teams try to do, create offensive mismatches. He'll be a nightmare at TE. Either way he's already on my team so I have no choice but to accept what happens to him at the next level but the TE theory can't be pushed to the side because it's growing.

Tex

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Updating this post from last month, here's the current RB leaderboard in First Downs + TDs + 20-yard carries per attempt, with notable RBs bolded:

1T20/a Player Team Yr

61.0% Kareem Hunt Toledo SO

57.4% Shaun Wilson Duke FR

54.4% Jhurell Pressley New Mexico JR

54.3% Todd Gurley Georgia JR

53.2% Michael Gordon Ark St JR

52.3% Melvin Gordon Wisconsin JR

52.1% Matt Breida Ga South SO

49.6% Devon Johnson Marshall JR

49.2% Terry Swanson Toledo FR

46.7% Tevin Coleman Indiana JR

46.2% Ezekiel Elliott Ohio State SO

45.9% Josh Robinson Miss St JR

45.2% Jonathan Williams Arkansas JR

44.7% Alex Collins Arkansas SO

43.5% Ameer Abdullah Nebraska SR

43.4% Nick Hill Mich St SR

43.3% Noah Copeland Navy SR

42.9% Shock Linwood Baylor SO

42.7% Corey Clement Wisconsin SO

42.7% Karlos Williams FSU SR

Other notable RBs:

1T20/a Player Team Yr

41.8% Duke Johnson Miami (Fl) JR

38.7% Javorius Allen USC JR

38.4% Nick Chubb Georgia FR

38.1% Cameron Artis-Payne Auburn SR

38.0% Mike Davis S Carolina JR

34.3% Leonard Fournette LSU FR

33.3% David Cobb Minnesota SR

31.4% Jay Ajayi Boise St JR

31.1% T.J. Yeldon Alabama JR

31.0% Derrick Henry Alabama SO

30.3% Kenneth Dixon La Tech JR

For comparison, most of last year's draft class ranged from 48% (Hyde) to 38% (Sims), except for Andre Williams at 33%.

I'd be bolding Josh Robinson and Alex Collins as notables. Both are looking good, putting up great numbers in the SEC, and have NFL bellcow size.

 

[identikit]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Steve Muench ranks Michigan junior WR Devin Funchess as the No. 1 TE prospect.

"Funchess has the speed to play receiver, where he lines up now, and his NFL future may be on the outside as well," Muench wrote. "However, he has the frame to play F and he lined up at tight end earlier in his career. Funchess will never be an overpowering in-line run-blocker who can generate much push working against the front-side defensive end, but he could add 10 to 15 pounds and develop into a passable positional blocker with improved hand placement and pad level." The analyst believes the 6-foot-5 and 230-pound Funchess could stand to improve his ability to catch the ball away from his body. "But the reason he tops my board is his big-play ability. His speed, size and athleticism allow him to win 50-50 balls downfield," Muench wrote. "Plus, he has above-average burst after the catch. While he's also a big-play threat at receiver, he's that much more dangerous at tight end because he gets more favorable matchups."

Source: ESPN Insider

Oct 21 - 5:37 PM

More and more people are seeing the same vision. TE is the best position for him.

There are plenty who see him as a WR. He's best at TE because.....? He used to play there?

I'll take Funchess at WR before someone like Ty Montgomery.

Maybe we can let the NFL team that drafts him decide?

So we can't discuss, seems like the growing view is he's a better mismatch at TE which is what most teams try to do, create offensive mismatches. He'll be a nightmare at TE. Either way he's already on my team so I have no choice but to accept what happens to him at the next level but the TE theory can't be pushed to the side because it's growing.

Tex

Guess what I'm saying it's become a pretty petty argument at this point.

Maybe come Combine time something more definitive will come out to tip things.

He's a very nice talent whatever the position.

You guys aren't debating it, you're arguing.

 

[Xue]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Steve Muench ranks Michigan junior WR Devin Funchess as the No. 1 TE prospect.

"Funchess has the speed to play receiver, where he lines up now, and his NFL future may be on the outside as well," Muench wrote. "However, he has the frame to play F and he lined up at tight end earlier in his career. Funchess will never be an overpowering in-line run-blocker who can generate much push working against the front-side defensive end, but he could add 10 to 15 pounds and develop into a passable positional blocker with improved hand placement and pad level." The analyst believes the 6-foot-5 and 230-pound Funchess could stand to improve his ability to catch the ball away from his body. "But the reason he tops my board is his big-play ability. His speed, size and athleticism allow him to win 50-50 balls downfield," Muench wrote. "Plus, he has above-average burst after the catch. While he's also a big-play threat at receiver, he's that much more dangerous at tight end because he gets more favorable matchups."

Source: ESPN Insider

Oct 21 - 5:37 PM

More and more people are seeing the same vision. TE is the best position for him.

There are plenty who see him as a WR. He's best at TE because.....? He used to play there?

I'll take Funchess at WR before someone like Ty Montgomery.

Maybe we can let the NFL team that drafts him decide?

So we can't discuss, seems like the growing view is he's a better mismatch at TE which is what most teams try to do, create offensive mismatches. He'll be a nightmare at TE. Either way he's already on my team so I have no choice but to accept what happens to him at the next level but the TE theory can't be pushed to the side because it's growing.

Tex

Guess what I'm saying it's become a pretty petty argument at this point.

Maybe come Combine time something more definitive will come out to tip things.

He's a very nice talent whatever the position.

You guys aren't debating it, you're arguing.

I'm debating, they're arguing. I ask for specific details, they quote media.

 

[BigTex]

Any chance they list him as TE/WR?

I've seen several articles that had him listed as both.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Any chance they list him as TE/WR?

I've seen several articles that had him listed as both.

I assume he's referring to fantasy hosting sites like MFL.

They'll just base it on whatever position he's listed at on his NFL team's depth chart. They'll have to choose, and that's the position he'll be eligible to score fantasy points for.

 

[BigTex]

Any chance they list him as TE/WR?

I've seen several articles that had him listed as both.

I assume he's referring to fantasy hosting sites like MFL.They'll just base it on whatever position he's listed at on his NFL team's depth chart. They'll have to choose, and that's the position he'll be eligible to score fantasy points for.

One was ESPN about two months ago.

 

[BigTex]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Steve Muench ranks Michigan junior WR Devin Funchess as the No. 1 TE prospect.

"Funchess has the speed to play receiver, where he lines up now, and his NFL future may be on the outside as well," Muench wrote. "However, he has the frame to play F and he lined up at tight end earlier in his career. Funchess will never be an overpowering in-line run-blocker who can generate much push working against the front-side defensive end, but he could add 10 to 15 pounds and develop into a passable positional blocker with improved hand placement and pad level." The analyst believes the 6-foot-5 and 230-pound Funchess could stand to improve his ability to catch the ball away from his body. "But the reason he tops my board is his big-play ability. His speed, size and athleticism allow him to win 50-50 balls downfield," Muench wrote. "Plus, he has above-average burst after the catch. While he's also a big-play threat at receiver, he's that much more dangerous at tight end because he gets more favorable matchups."

Source: ESPN Insider

Oct 21 - 5:37 PM

More and more people are seeing the same vision. TE is the best position for him.

There are plenty who see him as a WR. He's best at TE because.....? He used to play there?

I'll take Funchess at WR before someone like Ty Montgomery.

Maybe we can let the NFL team that drafts him decide?

So we can't discuss, seems like the growing view is he's a better mismatch at TE which is what most teams try to do, create offensive mismatches. He'll be a nightmare at TE. Either way he's already on my team so I have no choice but to accept what happens to him at the next level but the TE theory can't be pushed to the side because it's growing.Tex

Guess what I'm saying it's become a pretty petty argument at this point.

Maybe come Combine time something more definitive will come out to tip things.

He's a very nice talent whatever the position.

You guys aren't debating it, you're arguing.

I'm just stating my opinion, I've always said that. Some seek to change my view and I've continued to say it's not going to change. This is a message board were people post their own personal views. If it's not like then you can respond or ignore it, it's that simple.

 

[EBF]

Cian's Corner: Kevin White

This was a great article. Thanks for all you do Faust.

Very nice article but I don't see Jeffery with White. Not sure who I see just yet but Jeffery isn't the guy. He's more athletic than Jeffery and not nearly as big.

Yea, White doesn't look 6'3". Might be closer to 6'1".

I agree with that. He doesn't really strike me as a "big" receiver. I think his best traits are his initial quickness and his economical route running. He loses very little momentum when cutting and can explode out of his breaks. There is no direct parallel for him in the NFL. If I was forced to make one, I would say he's a bigger, more athletic Cecil Shorts. They move and play similarly. White has more height and jump ball ability. I think he's probably a mid-late first at best and not a candidate for the top 10 because he lacks elite height and track speed, but we will have to wait and see.

 

[RaiderBones]

Cian's Corner: Kevin White

This was a great article. Thanks for all you do Faust.

Very nice article but I don't see Jeffery with White. Not sure who I see just yet but Jeffery isn't the guy. He's more athletic than Jeffery and not nearly as big.

Yea, White doesn't look 6'3". Might be closer to 6'1".

I agree with that. He doesn't really strike me as a "big" receiver. I think his best traits are his initial quickness and his economical route running. He loses very little momentum when cutting and can explode out of his breaks. There is no direct parallel for him in the NFL. If I was forced to make one, I would say he's a bigger, more athletic Cecil Shorts. They move and play similarly. White has more height and jump ball ability. I think he's probably a mid-late first at best and not a candidate for the top 10 because he lacks elite height and track speed, but we will have to wait and see.

I like White a lot. I will get him on every team I can this next year.

 

[jurb26]

Cian's Corner: Kevin White

This was a great article. Thanks for all you do Faust.

Very nice article but I don't see Jeffery with White. Not sure who I see just yet but Jeffery isn't the guy. He's more athletic than Jeffery and not nearly as big.

I see some Fitzgerald in White's play.

I can see that. He did come to mind for me as well. Spent some time looking into this more and thinking about it. Dez seems like the Nguyen IMO.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Cian's Corner: Kevin White

This was a great article. Thanks for all you do Faust.

Very nice article but I don't see Jeffery with White. Not sure who I see just yet but Jeffery isn't the guy. He's more athletic than Jeffery and not nearly as big.

Yea, White doesn't look 6'3". Might be closer to 6'1".

I agree with that. He doesn't really strike me as a "big" receiver. I think his best traits are his initial quickness and his economical route running. He loses very little momentum when cutting and can explode out of his breaks. There is no direct parallel for him in the NFL. If I was forced to make one, I would say he's a bigger, more athletic Cecil Shorts. They move and play similarly. White has more height and jump ball ability. I think he's probably a mid-late first at best and not a candidate for the top 10 because he lacks elite height and track speed, but we will have to wait and see.

Cecil Shorts has some decent YAC and make-you-miss ability, I don't see that in White. White basically just turns up field and runs fast when he gets the ball, not that that's terrible. I'd say he reminds me of a faster/more athletic DeAndre Hopkins. Though I agree, no chance he's a top 10 pick kinda guy, mid-late first sounds about right.

 

[Xue]

Cian's Corner: Kevin White

This was a great article. Thanks for all you do Faust.

Very nice article but I don't see Jeffery with White. Not sure who I see just yet but Jeffery isn't the guy. He's more athletic than Jeffery and not nearly as big.

Yea, White doesn't look 6'3". Might be closer to 6'1".

I agree with that. He doesn't really strike me as a "big" receiver. I think his best traits are his initial quickness and his economical route running. He loses very little momentum when cutting and can explode out of his breaks. There is no direct parallel for him in the NFL. If I was forced to make one, I would say he's a bigger, more athletic Cecil Shorts. They move and play similarly. White has more height and jump ball ability. I think he's probably a mid-late first at best and not a candidate for the top 10 because he lacks elite height and track speed, but we will have to wait and see.

He looks bigger and plays bigger than Shorts. Shorts and Golden Tate are pretty similar and I wouldn't compare White to Tate. I think White should test well in the jumps. His 40 should be good, maybe around 4.50, but speed isn't his game on the field anyway.

I still have DeVante Parker over White, though, among Seniors.

 

[Faust]

Meet the Prospect: West Virginia WR Kevin White

 

[Faust]

Big Board: Top two O-tackles Ogbuehi, Scherff a study in contrasts

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Steve Muench thinks that Miami redshirt senior TE Clive Walford's "lack of ideal top-end speed stands out on tape, and he's not much of a threat to get behind the defense."
"However, he knows how to get open underneath," Muench wrote. "He is quicker than fast and flashes good suddenness as a route runner, plus he has the heavy hands to create separation with his upper body without having to extend and risk getting flagged for offensive pass interference." Walford, who has posted 23 catches for 306 yards and four touchdowns, should post career numbers across the board during his senior campaign. "While Walford's ball skills are a touch inconsistent, he has the long arms and big hands to snatch passes thrown outside of his frame," Muench wrote. "He showed the ability to make plays working against tight coverage and over the middle against Nebraska this year. Finally, there's a lot to like about his edge. He's a competitive blocker, he runs hard after the catch and he can get under the skin of defenders."

Source: ESPN Insider
Oct 22 - 5:33 PM

Wisconsin HC Gary Andersen recently noted that redshirt junior RB Melvin Gordon has "become more of a vocal leader" this year.
"I did ask him to become a true leader on this football team," Gary Andersen told Fox Sports. "He's always been a leader by example. But he's more of a vocal leader this year. I think he wanted to get into that realm this year." Last season, Gordon had a break out year with 1,609 yards and 12 touchdowns, as the Badgers full-time back. This season Gordon has picked up where he left off, as the junior has rushed for 1,046 yards in six games with 13 touchdowns. While continuing to excel on the football field, the Badgers' prospect excels off the field, as well. Anderson added that it was important for Gordon "to come back and be a very positive mentor" for the youth of this program.

Source: Fox Sports
Oct 22 - 4:07 PM

Sports Illustrated's Zac Ellis notes that Baylor redshirt senior QB Bryce Petty's "roller coaster Heisman campaign took another dip against West Virginia."
"Has anyone had a more up-and-down Heisman campaign than Petty? The Baylor quarterback looked sluggish in a win over Texas on Oct. 4. He redeemed himself with fourth-quarter heroics in a shootout victory over TCU last week. But on Saturday Petty’s roller coaster Heisman campaign took another dip against West Virginia," Ellis wrote. The 6-foot-3, 230-pound Petty, completed 16-of-36 attempts for 223 yards and two touchdowns in a 41-27 loss against West Virginia on Saturday. Ellis believes Petty's "Heisman shot hinges on eye-popping stats and his leadership of a contending team."

Source: Sports Illustrated
Oct 22 - 3:20 PM

NFL Media Analyst Daniel Jeremiah calls West Virginia senior WR Kevin White a "pretty special talent."
"Studying West Virginia WR Kevin White and I've already had about 5 wow moments in 2 games. Pretty special talent," Jeremiah tweeted. The 6-foot-3, 210-pound White is on pace for 128 catches, 1,885 receiving yards and 13 touchdowns. He toted a Day 3 grade into the season, but White is firmly on the late-Round 1/early-Round 2 line at the moment.

Source: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter
Oct 22 - 3:13 PM

Sports Illustrated's Chris Burke ranks Michigan junior WR Devin Funchess No. 13 overall on his big board and believes "the Wolverines' myriad issues plus an ankle injury have kept Funchess' stats in check."
So far this season, the 6-foot-5 and 230-pound Funchess has just 36 catches, 461 yards, and four TDs. Burke points out the play where Funchess hauled in a 43-yard touchdown against Penn State where he made an adjustment on the play and went up and attacked the ball over the safety, as "reminder of what he's capable of."

Source: Sports Illustrated
Oct 22 - 2:26 PM

West Virginia DC Tony Gibson explained his school's defensive success versus Baylor by saying "we just went all in with the blitz game."
"Gibson’s logic in blitzing Baylor was two-pronged. First, he wanted to make Baylor quarterback Bryce Petty uncomfortable, which West Virginia did with four sacks," Sports Illustrated's Pete Thamel and Thayer Evans wrote. "...West Virginia’s pressure was also meant to keep its defenders from being stressed by having to both play pass coverage and stop the run." This is not a good sign for Bryce Petty, a quarterback prospect who is used to throwing to open receivers from a clean pocket. Evaluators will point to this game and hope he can improve from it.

Source: Sports Illustrated
Oct 22 - 11:47 AM

Arizona State redshirt junior WR Jaelen Strong has the makings of a late first- or early second-round pick, according to one NFL scout.
"He’s big physical and competitive with great hands," the scout told the SI duo of Thayer Evans and Pete Thamel. "He’s not a burner. He’s probably 4.53 in the 40, but Marques Colston and all these guys get in the league and do really well. He’s one of those." SI cites sources saying Strong is expected to declare. Strong is another member of a great receiver group, along with DGB, DeVante Parker, Devin Funchess and Kevin White. Rotoworld's Josh Norris would take those four over Strong at this time.

Source: Sports Illustrated
Oct 22 - 11:21 AM

According to SI's Inside Read, Boise State redshirt junior RB Jay Ajayi is expected to declare for the NFL draft.
Pete Thamel and Thayer Evans cite industry sources. "He’s something to look forward to," one scout said, calling the running back a second-day pick. The SI duo has heard some scouts prefer Ajayi over former Boise State first-round pick Doug Martin.

Source: Sports Illustrated
Oct 22 - 10:31 AM

Thayer Evans and Pete Thamel spoke with one NFL scout who believes Georgia junior RB Todd Gurley could be a top-16 pick.
Like others, the scout believes Gurley is improving his draft evaluation by missing time. "He can’t get hurt," the scout said, pointing to the fact that Gurley was one pace for a career high in carries. Georgia is applying for Gurley's reinstatement, and it will likely be granted. We would not argue with a team that selects Gurley in the top 15.

Source: Sports Illustrated
Oct 22 - 10:16 AM

Sports Illustrated's Chris Burke ranked Nebraska senior RB Ameer Abdullah as the No. 25 overall prospect and compared him to LeSean McCoy.
"Abdullah is a personal preference over Melvin Gordon," Burke wrote. "Why? Mainly because he's already shown he can be a three-down back, whereas Gordon has been eased into that role by Wisconsin. Abdullah (5-9, 195) has 16 touchdowns and nearly 1,200 total yards this season. His quick-cut running style is reminiscent of LeSean McCoy." The 5-foot-9, 195-pound Abdullah has 1,024 rushing yards and 14 touchdowns on a 6.4 YPC average during Nebraska's 6-1 start.

Source: Sports Illustrated
Oct 22 - 1:09 AM

 

[jurb26]

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create. That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.

http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Indiana junior RB Tevin Coleman "has the type of speed that destroys pursuit angles," according to ESPN's KC Joyner.
This is precisely why the 6-foot-1, 210-pound Coleman leads the NCAA with seven plays of 40 or more yards from scrimmage. "Coleman is currently averaging an incredible 8.4 yards per play from scrimmage, a mark that leads the nation among running backs with at least 50 scrimmage plays against Power 5 teams," Joyner wrote. "If Coleman keeps up his current pace of 190.3 yards from scrimmage per game (a mark that includes contests against non-Power 5 teams), he will end the regular season with 2,284 scrimmage yards, which would rank in the top 10 in college football history."

Source: ESPN Insider
Oct 22 - 12:55 AM

Ohio State senior TE Jeff Heuerman "has the tools to be a more productive player at the professional level than he has been for Ohio State," according to ESPN's Steve Muench.
"His size-and-speed combination makes him a downfield threat, and he can produce after the catch, where he flashes the ability to make the first defender miss," Muench wrote. "He can take his eyes off the ball a split second early and trap passes against his frame, yet he has the body control to make the occasional highlight-reel catch, as he did when he high-pointed a back-shoulder pass working against tight coverage in the third quarter of the Maryland game." The 6-foot-5, 255-pound Heuerman has only five catches for 82 yards this year after grabbing 26 receptions and 466 receiving yards last season.

Source: ESPN Insider
Oct 22 - 12:40 AM

ESPN's KC Joyner ranks USC redshirt junior RB Javorius "Buck" Allen as the No. 2 running back in college football.
The 6-foot-1, 220-pound Allen has rushed for 909 yards and eight touchdowns on 150 carries with 24 receptions for 290 yards and a touchdown -- that's 1,043 yards from scrimmage. "His superior cutback ability is part of why he leads the nation in scrimmage plays of 30 yards or more (9)," Joyner wrote. "No player on this list combines pass-catching ability (third in receiving yards by a running back, fourth in running back receptions) and rushing skills (776 yards on the ground, tops among running backs) quite to the extent Allen does." ESPN's Mel Kiper ranks Allen as the No. 6 draft-eligible RB. Allen has been compared to Bishop Sankey (selected in the second round of the 2014 NFL draft by the Tennessee Titans) by USC RB coach Johnny Nansen and NFL.com's Charles Davis.

Source: ESPN Insider
Oct 22 - 12:10 AM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ohio State senior TE Jeff Heuerman reminds ESPN's Todd McShay of former Stanford standout Zach Ertz.

"Heuerman has an excellent blend of height and weight (6-5, 250) and top-end speed," McShay wrote. "He has work to do as a route-runner, but he can stretch the seam and come down with 50-50 balls. He does a good job as a blocker." The 6-foot-5, 255-pound Heuerman has only five catches for 82 yards this year after grabbing 26 receptions and 466 receiving yards last season. ESPN's Steve Muench wrote earlier this week that Heuerman "has the tools to be a more productive player at the professional level than he has been for Ohio State."

Source: ESPN Insider
Oct 22 - 7:01 PM

 

[Faust]

Bret Bielema: Arkansas' A.J. Derby like ex-Colts star Dallas Clark

 

[Faust]

Scout compares Jaelen Strong to Marques Colston

 

[Xue]

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.

http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.

Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".

 

[jurb26]

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.

Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".

We've been through basically all of this. What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.

 

[jurb26]

I'm debating, they're arguing. I ask for specific details, they quote media.

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Week 9 Prospect Preview

 

[Vincesanity]

God forbid Funchess stays at Michigan, not sure I can take another year of y'all arguing about him.

 

[identikit]

God forbid Funchess stays at Michigan, not sure I can take another year of y'all arguing about him.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

The worst part about it is it doesn't even matter imo. He's not going to be blocking in the NFL no matter what "position" he plays. It'd be nice if he's considered a TE simply because of less competition at the position in fantasy, but besides that it's not a big deal either way imo.

 

[BigTex]

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create. That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.

http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.

THIS!

 

[BigTex]

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.

Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".

We've been through basically all of this. What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.

Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.

 

[BigTex]

The worst part about it is it doesn't even matter imo. He's not going to be blocking in the NFL no matter what "position" he plays. It'd be nice if he's considered a TE simply because of less competition at the position in fantasy, but besides that it's not a big deal either way imo.

Agreed, like I've ALWAYS said. It really doesn't matter. I just prefer PERSONALLY that he's a TE at the next level but that same thought is starting to grow throughout the football community. That doesn't mean that it will happen but I hope it does.

 

[Milkman]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132303/jaelen-strong

Read this on roto and my initial reaction was 6'4 205 pounds isn't exactly "BIG". More like tall and thin. Then I looked at his ESPN profile and they have him listed at 6'3 212. That's a little better. I'll be interested to see what he measures at the combine. They don't have any 2014 videos up of him on draft breakdown yet. Just looking at the stats it seems he's had some success against some decent teams.

 

[Xue]

I'm debating, they're arguing. I ask for specific details, they quote media.

Where is the word data?

Where is the pushoff in the GIF I posted before?

 

[jurb26]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132303/jaelen-strong

Read this on roto and my initial reaction was 6'4 205 pounds isn't exactly "BIG". More like tall and thin. Then I looked at his ESPN profile and they have him listed at 6'3 212. That's a little better. I'll be interested to see what he measures at the combine. They don't have any 2014 videos up of him on draft breakdown yet. Just looking at the stats it seems he's had some success against some decent teams.

He looked rail thin the past few years but seems to have added bulk this year. I don't trust teams very much when it comes to height and weight but I'd say he's greater than 205 at this point and at least 6'3". That's just eyeballing it from TV, though. I'm curious as to what he measures at the combine as well. Not just size, I'm pretty confident he's going to be bigger than average. More so the athletics. He looks pretty smooth on the field and is probably deceptive IMO.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anybody mind sharing their top 5-10 WRs in the class? Gracias.

 

[Xue]

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.

Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".

We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.

Not meaningless correlation. White isn't a special route runner. He's pretty sluggish off the line and in his breaks. Just like Funchess accoring to you. so tell me why someone bigger than White and moves just as well should be a TE and White can be a WR?

How much separation is White consistently getting 1-on-1? How much separation is any other WR consistently getting 1-on-1

 

[Milkman]

Anybody mind sharing their top 5-10 WRs in the class? Gracias.

I don't have a Top 5-10 WR list yet but this class is starting to look stacked. 7-8 players I would be very happy with drafting in the first round.

 

[Xue]

Anybody mind sharing their top 5-10 WRs in the class? Gracias.

1. Devin Funchess
2. DeVante Parker
3. Jaelen Strong
4. Amari Cooper
5. Sammie Coates
6. D'haquille Williams
7. Breshad Perriman
8. Kevin White
9. Dorial Green-Beckham
10. Leonte Caroo
11. Stefon Diggs

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Perriman above White? I respect your take whenever you give it, but it just seems like an instance of favoring the lesser known name over the obvious guy. But it's made me want to look at him more closely, that's for sure.

 

[Faust]

Sources Tell Us: What we're hearing about top NFL prospects

 

[Faust]

TE class shaping up to be buzzkill in 2015 NFL Draft

 

[Faust]

Old Dominion's Taylor Heinicke 'hot name' with NFL scouts

 

[Xue]

Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.

You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.

Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".

We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.

Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.

Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?

 

[Xue]

Look jurb, Kevin White pushes off to create separation: http://youtu.be/K65dZqHEuuA?t=53s

 

[Xue]

Perriman above White? I respect your take whenever you give it, but it just seems like an instance of favoring the lesser known name over the obvious guy. But it's made me want to look at him more closely, that's for sure.

White isn't as good as people think he is or make him out to be. More will realize it when they break down the film. Needs work on his routes and release. That coupled with not being an athletic freak, he's not a 1st rounder for me.

I don't see White any better than D'haquille and Perriman.

Perriman is the same size, has better routes, better body control, smoother.

D'haquille looks like a much better athlete and is also more fluid.

Parker is the top Senior WR and it's not close. Watch this quick slant: http://gfycat.com/AcceptableFinishedBluewhale

Watch it in slow motion and pause and go frame by frame. Watch what the right foot/leg is doing right before the break. He taps the right foot, then taps it again or drags it.

 

[gianmarco]

Let. It. Go.

 

[jurb26]

My top WR right now.

1. Cooper

2. Strong

3. Coates

4. Parker

5. White

6. Williams

7. DGB

8. Diggs

9. Greene

10. Agolor

9 and 10 could be rather interchangeable with a few other guys, though.