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Dynasty Auction Strategies (1 Viewer)

Hoosier16

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I'm completely new to auctions and was looking for information. Almost all of the threads or articles seem to focus on a redraft and I wanted to get some discussion on how dynasty auction strategies might differ from a redraft.

One area is the price of studs. It seems to me the prices for top players would be higher in a dynasty than in a redraft. While you might be able to compete in a redraft with a bunch of middle guys, it seems like completely the wrong way to fill out a team in a dynasty auction.

Another area that might differ is nominating handcuffs or the young backups. In a redraft, there might not be much interest in the young backups - B. Brown, C. Michael, CJ Anderson - but in a dynasty, those players have some value on their own. By throwing them out early, you might get a read on who may be bidding on the respective starters. They might also slide by and you could end up with a cheap Ben Tate type player - someone who you may have to wait a few years on.

Any other areas or experienced opinions out there?

 
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=pasquino_Auction_Strategy_Part5

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=pasquino_Auction_Strategy_Part6

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=wachtelcapitalizingdepthauctions

My best tip is to go in with a list of guys you are targeting in tiers. Do mocks (or know the salary ADP) of those guys you are specifically targeting. Grab values or guys at your tier plan. Pass on bidding wars even if they are on your list.

Other than the obvious differences between dynasty/keeper and redraft, auctions are no different for player valuation. Like you pointed out, an elite team coming out of the auction is usually going to have some portion of stud/elite players, some mid guys, and some sleepers that hit for bargain prices. Or you could go multiple studs and all bargin bins to complement them, etc.

 
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http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=pasquino_Auction_Strategy_Part5

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=pasquino_Auction_Strategy_Part6

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=wachtelcapitalizingdepthauctions

My best tip is to go in with a list of guys you are targeting in tiers. Do mocks (or know the salary ADP) of those guys you are specifically targeting. Grab values or guys at your tier plan. Pass on bidding wars even if they are on your list.

Other than the obvious differences between dynasty/keeper and redraft, auctions are no different for player valuation. Like you pointed out, an elite team coming out of the auction is usually going to have some portion of stud/elite players, some mid guys, and some sleepers that hit for bargain prices.
Thanks, but I've read all of those. They seem to target redraft.

Maybe auction values won't end up different, but I think they should. When trading for a stud, you pay much more in a dynasty (if you can even make the trade) than you would in a redraft. The value should be higher.

On mocks, are there any this time of year for auctions?

 
Nominate high priced guys that you dont want. Keep money in the bank, you want players at all price points. Keep a little more than the league average in the coffer. Don't be the guy who blows his wad on 3-4 studs but also don;t be the guy who waits and waits until he finds "value" cause you'll end up with a lot of mediocre players.

 
If your cap allows it, be in the bidding on quite a few guys. That can mask who you really want.

 
Create your own rankings/tiers and don't overpay for players while many other remain in that tier.

Create a budget, based on percentages, that you want to spend. So, 20% on QBs, 30% on RBs for example, etc.

Nominate guys you don't want early on, especially if you know someone else in the league likes them.

Don't price enforce unless you're okay with winning the player at that number.

 
Other than the obvious differences between dynasty/keeper and redraft, auctions are no different for player valuation. Like you pointed out, an elite team coming out of the auction is usually going to have some portion of stud/elite players, some mid guys, and some sleepers that hit for bargain prices. Or you could go multiple studs and all bargin bins to complement them, etc.
I've never done a dynasty auction (done several redrafts before), but I'd probably look to walk away with 2-4 really good core players and then take shots on cheap underrated guys. You can always add mediocre depth players to fill out your lineup down the road, but once you miss out on the Graham/Julio/Demaryius types it might be years before you get another chance at a player of that caliber. My teams that have done well over the years from snake dynasty drafts inevitably had a core of 2-4 really good top level players to build on whereas my teams that have struggled were filled with mediocrities. From a pure team building standpoint, I strongly advocate going with a handful of really good players rather than a deep team of mid level talents.

Beyond that, it's always good to nominate expensive players that you don't want. I'd be throwing out Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Jamaal Charles, LeVeon Bell, Matt Forte, and Shane Vereen as fast as I could to let other teams burn their cap on them.

 
Other than the obvious differences between dynasty/keeper and redraft, auctions are no different for player valuation. Like you pointed out, an elite team coming out of the auction is usually going to have some portion of stud/elite players, some mid guys, and some sleepers that hit for bargain prices. Or you could go multiple studs and all bargin bins to complement them, etc.
I've never done a dynasty auction (done several redrafts before), but I'd probably look to walk away with 2-4 really good core players and then take shots on cheap underrated guys. You can always add mediocre depth players to fill out your lineup down the road, but once you miss out on the Graham/Julio/Demaryius types it might be years before you get another chance at a player of that caliber. My teams that have done well over the years from snake dynasty drafts inevitably had a core of 2-4 really good top level players to build on whereas my teams that have struggled were filled with mediocrities. From a pure team building standpoint, I strongly advocate going with a handful of really good players rather than a deep team of mid level talents.
That's kind of what I was thinking as well. In dynasty, you have time to add mid level guys later. They're easy to find. My guess is the elite guys are going to cost anywhere from 20-25% of the cap. Would you try to get as many as possible, even if it means it leaves you with 80% of your roster in the $1-2 level? That's kind of the way I'm leaning.

 
Other than the obvious differences between dynasty/keeper and redraft, auctions are no different for player valuation. Like you pointed out, an elite team coming out of the auction is usually going to have some portion of stud/elite players, some mid guys, and some sleepers that hit for bargain prices. Or you could go multiple studs and all bargin bins to complement them, etc.
I've never done a dynasty auction (done several redrafts before), but I'd probably look to walk away with 2-4 really good core players and then take shots on cheap underrated guys. You can always add mediocre depth players to fill out your lineup down the road, but once you miss out on the Graham/Julio/Demaryius types it might be years before you get another chance at a player of that caliber. My teams that have done well over the years from snake dynasty drafts inevitably had a core of 2-4 really good top level players to build on whereas my teams that have struggled were filled with mediocrities. From a pure team building standpoint, I strongly advocate going with a handful of really good players rather than a deep team of mid level talents.
That's kind of what I was thinking as well. In dynasty, you have time to add mid level guys later. They're easy to find. My guess is the elite guys are going to cost anywhere from 20-25% of the cap. Would you try to get as many as possible, even if it means it leaves you with 80% of your roster in the $1-2 level? That's kind of the way I'm leaning.
Yea, I would probably do something like that. Go BIG on 2-3 guys and then use the rest on sleepers. The specifics depend on how much you like the mid round guys and how likely you think they are to develop into top players in their own right. There's not much sense blowing funds on someone like Kendall Wright or TY Hilton if you think he's a WR2-WR3 lifer when you can just grab rookies and guys like Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, and Mike Williams for peanuts.

It's a lot easier to add depth around a core of awesome players than it is to convert a handful of mediocrities into awesome players. And since awesome players are the only ones who really matter in the grand scheme of things, it's all about finding the strategy that allows you to monopolize that group of players. Everything else is of minimal importance.

 
Other than the obvious differences between dynasty/keeper and redraft, auctions are no different for player valuation. Like you pointed out, an elite team coming out of the auction is usually going to have some portion of stud/elite players, some mid guys, and some sleepers that hit for bargain prices. Or you could go multiple studs and all bargin bins to complement them, etc.
I've never done a dynasty auction (done several redrafts before), but I'd probably look to walk away with 2-4 really good core players and then take shots on cheap underrated guys. You can always add mediocre depth players to fill out your lineup down the road, but once you miss out on the Graham/Julio/Demaryius types it might be years before you get another chance at a player of that caliber. My teams that have done well over the years from snake dynasty drafts inevitably had a core of 2-4 really good top level players to build on whereas my teams that have struggled were filled with mediocrities. From a pure team building standpoint, I strongly advocate going with a handful of really good players rather than a deep team of mid level talents.
That's kind of what I was thinking as well. In dynasty, you have time to add mid level guys later. They're easy to find. My guess is the elite guys are going to cost anywhere from 20-25% of the cap. Would you try to get as many as possible, even if it means it leaves you with 80% of your roster in the $1-2 level? That's kind of the way I'm leaning.
Yea, I would probably do something like that. Go BIG on 2-3 guys and then use the rest on sleepers. The specifics depend on how much you like the mid round guys and how likely you think they are to develop into top players in their own right. There's not much sense blowing funds on someone like Kendall Wright or TY Hilton if you think he's a WR2-WR3 lifer when you can just grab rookies and guys like Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, and Mike Williams for peanuts.

It's a lot easier to add depth around a core of awesome players than it is to convert a handful of mediocrities into awesome players. And since awesome players are the only ones who really matter in the grand scheme of things, it's all about finding the strategy that allows you to monopolize that group of players. Everything else is of minimal importance.
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I've never done a dynasty auction, either, but as mentioned upthread, young studs are so much more valuable in dynasty than in redraft that what looks "expensive" in auction dollars in the latter should probably be considered cheap in the former. I suspect this will be a market inefficiency you can leverage to your advantage; the top names in redraft auctions usually go for 30-35% of the cap, so that's the anchor point your opponents will latch on to - but, from a dynasty perspective, the big 6 or 8 have to be worth more than that, almost by definition.

I'd try as hard as I could to lock up, say, three of the top 15 names - the Megatron, McCoy, Julio, DT, Lacy bucket - expecting it to cost me 80% of my budget and considering anything less than that as "found money".

There's another big market inefficiency in auctions that I think you'll be able to leverage to your advantage in a dynasty format, which is the breakpoint between the "$1 guys" and the ">$1 guys". In a snake draft, there's an extremely marginal difference between the players at, say, pick 10.10 and 10.11 ... but in auctions, one can literally cost twice as much as the other. In dynasty, the guys going in this range generally fall into two buckets:

  1. Second-tier vets with a few productive years left (Rivers, Jennings, Sproles, Woodhead, etc.)
  2. Young guys with better-than-average talent but in bad situations (D. Rogers, Bryce Brown, R. Woods, L. Green, etc.)
If your opponents are halfway intelligent, there could be dozens of players in this "twilight zone" - many more than in a redraft auction - because the bidding will have been (or should have been) more top-heavy in the early stages. I think you'd want as many of your top-rated guys in these buckets as cheaply as you can get them ... basically, blow the rest of your budget here, and to hell with guys with 18th-round ADPs; why bother spending $1 on an 18th-round talent if you can get a 10th-round talent for the same price?

So, in the latter stages of the auction, my strategy would be to personally nominate as many of the second bunch as you can who you wouldn't be willing to spend more than $1 on. If someone outbids you (they often will), great - they spent twice your market value on them. If not, great - you get a decent lottery ticket for the lowest possible bid. Meanwhile, let others throw out the names in the first group and guys you like from the second group, then take them to $2. If they go to $3 on someone you wouldn't pay more than $2 for, let him go and wait for the next one. If not, you get a strong immediate contributor or a solid young prospect for two bucks.

The dynamics of every auction are different, of course - that's what makes auctions so much fun - but I would be hoping for my roster coming out to look like this:

  • 2-3 bona-fide studs, preferably including at least 1 RB and 1 WR;
  • Very few if any highly-talented but unproven guys like Allen, Patterson, Floyd, C. Michael, Ellington (they'll go for too much money to guys who missed out on the studs);
  • Very few if any perennial #2 and #3 guys, regardless of age (you don't want them for the most part, and they'll be overpriced anyway);
  • 8-10 older but productive veterans with 8th- through 12th-round ADPs (most of which you got for $2-4), almost certainly including a QBBC of a Romo / Dalton or a Brady / Tannehill - which is just fine by me, as in 1-QB leagues you can always get good QB value on the WW or in rookie drafts;
  • 8-10 young sleepers / lottery tickets with 8th- through 12th-round ADPs, including at least 1 QB (most of which you got for $1, maybe a couple you went to $3 on)
That gives you a team that's both set up to win right out of the chute and with a lot of young firepower to compete in future years. It's basically the equivalent in a snake draft of trading away your 3rd- through 7th- and 14th- through 20th-round picks for two extra 1st-rounders and a bunch of 8th- through 12th-rounders ... a trade anyone would happily make in dynasty.

Best of luck and let us know how it goes. Oh, and post a link if you can when the time comes - I'd be very interested in seeing the results. :thumbup:

 
One area I haven't seen covered is what positions to shoot for. If you grab a young, stallion WR (Julio, DT, Green) and a TE (Graham), they'll be on your team for a looong time. Whereas the shelf life of the RB's will be much shorter and they'll be scrambling in just a few years. I'd focus on the QB/WR/TE positions in a startup, and grab serviceable /older RB's in the initial draft (Tate, Joique, SJax, MJD). Depending on how your league salary cap works you may be in a better future position to grab more lottery pick RB's (rookies RB's 4-6) than your competitors (i.e. Minimal WR Theory). Meaning you'll have more positions locked up for a long time so you can allocate your resources (auction $ and cap space) on fewer (just the RB) positions.

 
One area I haven't seen covered is what positions to shoot for. If you grab a young, stallion WR (Julio, DT, Green) and a TE (Graham), they'll be on your team for a looong time. Whereas the shelf life of the RB's will be much shorter and they'll be scrambling in just a few years. I'd focus on the QB/WR/TE positions in a startup, and grab serviceable /older RB's in the initial draft (Tate, Joique, SJax, MJD). Depending on how your league salary cap works you may be in a better future position to grab more lottery pick RB's (rookies RB's 4-6) than your competitors (i.e. Minimal WR Theory). Meaning you'll have more positions locked up for a long time so you can allocate your resources (auction $ and cap space) on fewer (just the RB) positions.
I agree with the concept, but it's likely by going "studs and duds" that you won't have the budget to grab multiple low-end starters at RB. I'd expect the Tates and J. Bells of the league to be out of my price range for sure ... you might be able to snare guys like MJD or Gore for $2-3, but it'll depend on the other owners' strategies and lineup requirements, and might not be clear until later in the auction. I'd hate to hang my hat on that strategy going in and then be the guy trotting out Pierce and Ingram as my starters on a team that's got the firepower up top to win from Day 1.

I will say that if the auction bidding is going in such a manner that you've got no chance of locking up 3 studs for <80% of your budget, I'd definitely target stud WRs/TEs ahead of RBs, even if it means dialing back my RB1 expectation from "stud" to "guy like Ball or Vereen".

 
Hoosier16 said:
EBF said:
Other than the obvious differences between dynasty/keeper and redraft, auctions are no different for player valuation. Like you pointed out, an elite team coming out of the auction is usually going to have some portion of stud/elite players, some mid guys, and some sleepers that hit for bargain prices. Or you could go multiple studs and all bargin bins to complement them, etc.
I've never done a dynasty auction (done several redrafts before), but I'd probably look to walk away with 2-4 really good core players and then take shots on cheap underrated guys. You can always add mediocre depth players to fill out your lineup down the road, but once you miss out on the Graham/Julio/Demaryius types it might be years before you get another chance at a player of that caliber. My teams that have done well over the years from snake dynasty drafts inevitably had a core of 2-4 really good top level players to build on whereas my teams that have struggled were filled with mediocrities. From a pure team building standpoint, I strongly advocate going with a handful of really good players rather than a deep team of mid level talents.
That's kind of what I was thinking as well. In dynasty, you have time to add mid level guys later. They're easy to find. My guess is the elite guys are going to cost anywhere from 20-25% of the cap. Would you try to get as many as possible, even if it means it leaves you with 80% of your roster in the $1-2 level? That's kind of the way I'm leaning.
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Well I've done some auctions in the past, here's what I would do this year if I was in an auction dynasty and could nominate the first pick, or one of the first picks. The first player in an auction is where a lot of value can be had. I know a lot of people like to throw out players they don't like to drain the other teams dollars, but I've had luck doing just the opposite:

1. Figure out EXACTLY what Alshon Jeffrey (or some young WR just outside the big #6 WRs) is worth. No one will really know what anyone is worth until the auction starts, that's why its important to know exactly what this player is worth to me. No one else would have given much thought to this, after all, he's not one of the big 6.

2. Throw him out not for 1 buck, but for 1/2 to 2/3 of what I think he is worth. It has to be a solid bid because ...

3. ... the league will be stunned for an instant as they are all waiting for the big 6 WRs and mentally calculate if they can bid for Jeffery and still get a big 6 WR, so there will probably be a delay before the next bid.

4. With this delay, let everyone know I think I just made a big mistake and might get stuck with a player I didn't want. Like "ah cr@p" if people are there, or "anyone?" if its online. If other teams have already nominated players they obviously don't want, so much the better. Everyone is struggling to decide what players are worth at this time, no one wants to overpay for a lesser player right off the bat.

5. if anyone else bids, show great uncertainty, confusion and delay, only increase bid amount by a buck or two each time.

The objective is to steal a solid young startable WR at a very good price before anyone else bids on a big 6 WR, which will tend to set a baseline for what everyone else is worth. A player like Jeffery would be be much more expensive later on, as all the disappointed teams who did not get a top 6 WR will be bidding on him.

If it works, great, it sets the tone for the rest of the auction, as the money saved on Jeffery will be used to bid aggressively on other studs.

You may or may not agree with this approach, everyone is different when it comes to auctions which makes them fun.

 

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