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[DYNASTY] Buy Low/Sell High (1 Viewer)

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Buy Low

Chris Perry – Perry is a no-brainer value pick in this year’s initial dynasty drafts. He’s a first round NFL RB available for the price of a mid-round selection. He’s this year’s Larry Johnson or LaMont Jordan, meaning he’s going to be worth a very high pick once he becomes a starter. If you have patience, he should pay off. That said, the injury concerns are a bit of an issue and he's signed for a few more years.

LenDale White – I think White offers the best draft value of this year’s rookie RBs. He should be starting by 2007, but he still comes quite a bit cheaper than the other top rookies. He's my pick to lead rookies in rushing yards and rushing TDs.

Matt Schaub – Schaub is fairly underrated as a dynasty prospect. He’s shown great promise throughout his NFL career and will almost certainly be a starter in 2007. This is another no-brainer pick because there’s virtually nowhere to go but up.

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.

Ben Troupe – Troupe fits the mold of a pretty good buy-low pick. He’s a highly-touted prospect who has shown steady improvement throughout his two seasons. He won’t come super cheap, but he still seems like a bit of a bargain at his current price.

Ben Watson – Like Troupe, Watson is a former top prospect who has shown steady statistical improvement. He’s a popular sleeper pick this year and I think he’s a good bet to outproduce his draft slot.

Justin Fargas – Fargas is one of my top dynasty RB sleepers this year. He has plenty of critics, but I think he has a chance to make an impact in the NFL if he can stay healthy and get some touches. His physical skills are among the best of any NFL RB, and while it would be easy to dismiss him as nothing more than a workout warrior, you shouldn’t forget that he led the NFL in preseason rushing yards in 2003. Like fellow preseason rushing champs Rudi Johnson and Chester Taylor, Fargas could eventually emerge as a starter. The real beauty is that he’s available for pennies, so the risk is almost nonexistent.

William Green – Green is another great dynasty RB sleeper. Poor coaching, a weak supporting cast, and some personal problems have stunted his career, but he’ll be a free agent next year and he could surprise if he falls into a favorable situation. He could be the next Thomas Jones. Given his extremely low price, why not take a chance?

Ryan Moats – Moats is exactly the type of RB that I like to target in dynasty drafts. He’s a former first day draft pick who is still affordable due to his status as a backup. He was a great player in college and he performed pretty well in testing. He lacks ideal size, but he has a chance to make an impact down the road. The bad news is that Philadelphia re-signed Westbrook, meaning it may be a while before we get a good look at Moats.

Matt Cassel – Cassel was arguably the top rookie QB last year despite not starting a single game in college (he was Matt Leinart’s backup at USC). While I won’t quite predict another Tom Brady situation, Cassel is an intriguing late pick as a backup who could eventually emerge down the road as a starter. He’s already pushed Rohan Davey out of New England and won the backup job from Doug Flutie. Imagine what he might be capable of once he really gets settled in.

Laveranues Coles - Coles is a quality buy-low pick. He's exactly the kind of player that I like to target because he's a proven talent who has shown the ability to put up strong statistics. Conservative coaching and a QB carousel have hurt him, but we could see the Coles of old now that the team has brought in some decent QB help and a new coach.

Sell High

Shaun Alexander – It might be hard to accept, but now is the perfect time to trade Alexander. His value will never be higher and there’s a very good chance that it will sink considerably in the coming years. Though he’ll only be 29 next season, Alexander has logged a lot of carries throughout his year. More importantly, he’s coming off a fluke season in which he logged over 400 carries (including playoffs) and broke his personal regular-season rushing TD record by 11 scores. Alexander seems poised for a fall, but most people still view him as a consensus top three dynasty pick. Take advantage of this and sell him while you can still get top value.

Willie Parker - Parker is a nice player with good speed and home run hitting ability, but I think he’s a major reach in dynasty drafts. I simply don’t see him ever becoming the type of consistent scorer that you expect from a top 30-40 pick. Maybe he'll pull a Brian Westbrook and prove me wrong, but I'm pessimistic on his prospects.

LaMont Jordan – Jordan had a nice year in 2005, but I think he’s become grossly-overrated. He’s an average NFL starter and I don’t see him consistently putting up the kind of elite numbers that he’d need to produce in order to justify his high draft slot. I find it ridiculous that he’s being drafted above the likes of Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin.

Edgerrin James – James has had a great career, but you have to wonder how much gas is left in the tank. He’s accumulated a lot of mileage over the years and I think it’s likely that he’ll experience a sharp decline within the next few years. Given how high he’s going, he’s just not worth the risk.

Chester Taylor – I’ve always liked Chester Taylor, and actually made a post recommending him as a dynasty buy low candidate prior to the 2005 season. Things have changed since then. Now that Taylor is in position to start for the Vikings, his value has increased significantly. While he could surprise us and become a top 10 back, I think his value is high enough to justify shipping him off right now.

Tiki Barber – Barber is a great player with a great work ethic. Unfortunately, he’s getting old and has accumulated a lot of touches. I see a limited shelf-life and a lot of risk. Not my kind of player.

Santana Moss – Moss had a great year in 2005, but he’s always struck me as inconsistent. Now that Washington has Lloyd and Randle El, I could see Moss’ numbers taking a little bit of a hit. He’s still a good player to have, but I expect his value to dip a bit in the next year.

Chris Chambers – Chambers finally lived up to his potential last year, but I don’t know if he’ll ever do it again. Daunte Culpepper is an overrated talent who has struggled without Randy Moss. Chambers caught less than 50% of his targets last year, making him one of the least efficient top 20 WRs in the NFL. Some of that is due to his poor QB situation, but I’d still argue that Chambers will never again achieve the elite numbers that he posted last year.

Ronnie Brown - Brown had a decent rookie year in which he flashed big play potential. With Ricky Williams out of town, he should get a chance to prove himself as a 300+ carry workhorse back. That's the good news. The bad news is that he was inconsistent last year and that he's going in the top 10 of most dynasty drafts. He certainly has the potential to justify his draft slot, but is he really worth a top 10 pick? Is he really a better bet for your team than someone like Antonio Gates, Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, or Anquan Boldin? I'd say no. There's too much risk that he'll be the next Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, or Willis McGahee. He has the potential to be great, but I don't think he warrants a first round pick.

 
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Hey EBF,

what if I said your list was too long and could you narrow it down to some favorites to target on draft day? Who would you choose?

Good post BTW

 
Side comment:

In general, RBs are overrated in dynasty drafts. I consistently see people reach for questionable RB talents over superstar WRs, QBs, and TEs. I'm certainly not risk aversive, but I think people are forgetting that the most important thing in a dynasty league is to get good players. It's true that RBs usually offer the most potential, but only a select few ever reach that coveted stud status. Why gamble on someone like Ronnie Brown when you can play it safe and get a beast like Anquan Boldin? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me (although I did draft Reggie Bush at 1.03 in a PPR league).

Some of the picks I've seen just don't make a lot of sense to me. Guys like Hines Ward and Antonio Gates might not be exciting, but I think they're much safer bets to help your team than are guys like Chester Taylor and DeAngelo Williams.

 
Buy Low

LenDale White – I think White offers the best draft value of this year’s rookie RBs. He should be starting by 2007, but he still comes quite a bit cheaper than the other top rookies. He's my pick to lead rookies in rushing yards and rushing TDs.
I haven't seen White go "quite a bit cheaper" than the other top rookies. In general I've seen him go maybe a half-round later than the DeAngelo/Laurence/Joseph in vet drafts.Personally I have seen way too many "talented guys with questionable character" crash and burn to risk a high pick on White when I can get the other three at a similar price. Yes, he could be another Randy Moss, or he could be another Charles Rogers or David Terrell or Chris Henry or Maurice Clarett.

 
Hey EBF,

what if I said your list was too long and could you narrow it down to some favorites to target on draft day? Who would you choose?

Good post BTW
In a dynasty draft, I think these guys are particularly good values:Antonio Gates

Anquan Boldin

Ben Roethlisberger

Laveranues Coles

Ben Troupe

Marcedes Lewis

William Green (late)

Justin Fargas (late)

I think the value in the early rounds is at WR, TE, and QB this year. Most of the RBs have a lot of question marks.

 
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Buy Low

LenDale White – I think White offers the best draft value of this year’s rookie RBs. He should be starting by 2007, but he still comes quite a bit cheaper than the other top rookies. He's my pick to lead rookies in rushing yards and rushing TDs.
I haven't seen White go "quite a bit cheaper" than the other top rookies. In general I've seen him go maybe a half-round later than the DeAngelo/Laurence/Joseph in vet drafts.Personally I have seen way too many "talented guys with questionable character" crash and burn to risk a high pick on White when I can get the other three at a similar price. Yes, he could be another Randy Moss, or he could be another Charles Rogers or David Terrell or Chris Henry or Maurice Clarett.
Does White actually have character concerns? He never once got in trouble at USC. Yea, he missed his workout, but the hamstring injury was legit. If this guy was a thug then I don't think Norm Chow would've consented to the pick. As far as his draft position goes, I got him at 6.01 in my latest dynasty draft. Williams and Maroney went in the third. Addai went in the 4th. Maybe that's an exception, but if you can get him in the 5th-6th then he's probably worth the gamble.

 
Does White actually have character concerns? He never once got in trouble at USC. Yea, he missed his workout, but the hamstring injury was legit. If this guy was a thug then I don't think Norm Chow would've consented to the pick.
Reports from numerous sources that he doesn't practice hard, doesn't take care of his weight, etc. He just seems soft and immature.There are many types of character concerns other than thuggery.

 
Does White actually have character concerns? He never once got in trouble at USC. Yea, he missed his workout, but the hamstring injury was legit. If this guy was a thug then I don't think Norm Chow would've consented to the pick.
Reports from numerous sources that he doesn't practice hard, doesn't take care of his weight, etc. He just seems soft and immature.There are many types of character concerns other than thuggery.
Fair enough. Those are legitimate concerns, but if I felt White was a severe risk then I wouldn't have put him on this list. We all have our own drafting preferences. If you like to steer clear of guys with character questions, then you can by all means do that.
 
Side comment:

In general, RBs are overrated in dynasty drafts. I consistently see people reach for questionable RB talents over superstar WRs, QBs, and TEs. I'm certainly not risk aversive, but I think people are forgetting that the most important thing in a dynasty league is to get good players. It's true that RBs usually offer the most potential, but only a select few ever reach that coveted stud status. Why gamble on someone like Ronnie Brown when you can play it safe and get a beast like Anquan Boldin? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me (although I did draft Reggie Bush at 1.03 in a PPR league).

Some of the picks I've seen just don't make a lot of sense to me. Guys like Hines Ward and Antonio Gates might not be exciting, but I think they're much safer bets to help your team than are guys like Chester Taylor and DeAngelo Williams.
I am going to agree, I am about half way through my first dynasty draft. My plan was to draft thinking only about 2 years into the future because you never know how the league will pull together and I found myself selecting a lot of RB that I think are valueble over WR that I think will have sustained value. RB are great because when one makes that jump he can take you to the title but they change so quickly if you can load your team with Wayne, Boldin, Brady and one top 10 back, I think those would be reasonable first 4 round picks you have some real staying power and you can just accumulate runningbacks later with the chance to break out. There are always guys at the RB possition that you don't see coming in a given year, Gado comes to mind. The longevity for top runningbacks is just such a short time and they lose a lot of trade value quickly. I also think there is a glut of running back talent in the league right now that you can draft some older backs a little later, Warrick Dunn maybe, and still stash some good talent on your bench, Chris Perry.

 
Buy Low

Matt Schaub – Schaub is fairly underrated as a dynasty prospect. He’s shown great promise throughout his NFL career and will almost certainly be a starter in 2007. This is another no-brainer pick because there’s virtually nowhere to go but up.
What's to say that Schaub <= Volek?Volek's also getting overlooked (and is far cheaper) than Schaub.

 
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Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
 
Sell High

LaMont Jordan – Jordan had a nice year in 2005, but I think he’s become grossly-overrated. He’s an average NFL starter and I don’t see him consistently putting up the kind of elite numbers that he’d need to produce in order to justify his high draft slot. I find it ridiculous that he’s being drafted above the likes of Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin.

Chester Taylor – I’ve always liked Chester Taylor, and actually made a post recommending him as a dynasty buy low candidate prior to the 2005 season. Things have changed since then. Now that Taylor is in position to start for the Vikings, his value has increased significantly. While he could surprise us and become a top 10 back, I think his value is high enough to justify shipping him off right now.

Santana Moss – Moss had a great year in 2005, but he’s always struck me as inconsistent. Now that Washington has Lloyd and Randle El, I could see Moss’ numbers taking a little bit of a hit. He’s still a good player to have, but I expect his value to dip a bit in the next year.

Chris Chambers – Chambers finally lived up to his potential last year, but I don’t know if he’ll ever do it again. Daunte Culpepper is an overrated talent who has struggled without Randy Moss. Chambers caught less than 50% of his targets last year, making him one of the least efficient top 20 WRs in the NFL. Some of that is due to his poor QB situation, but I’d still argue that Chambers will never again achieve the elite numbers that he posted last year.

Ronnie Brown - Brown had a decent rookie year in which he flashed big play potential. With Ricky Williams out of town, he should get a chance to prove himself as a 300+ carry workhorse back. That's the good news. The bad news is that he was inconsistent last year and that he's going in the top 10 of most dynasty drafts. He certainly has the potential to justify his draft slot, but is he really worth a top 10 pick? Is he really a better bet for your team than someone like Antonio Gates, Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, or Anquan Boldin? I'd say no. There's too much risk that he'll be the next Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, or Willis McGahee. He has the potential to be great, but I don't think he warrants a first round pick.
Check, check, check, check, annnnnnnd check. :thumbup: Good calls here, I think all 5 of these guys are bigtime sell highs coming off of either career years they'll never again match or having that "potential" to break out that they won't end up doing a la Andre Johnson the last few years.

 
Buy Low

Matt Schaub – Schaub is fairly underrated as a dynasty prospect. He’s shown great promise throughout his NFL career and will almost certainly be a starter in 2007. This is another no-brainer pick because there’s virtually nowhere to go but up. 
What's to say that Schaub <= Volek?Volek's also getting overlooked (and is far cheaper) than Schaub.
I don't see Volek as a guy who will ever be guaranteed a starting job, whereas I think Schaub will definitely be a starter in 2007. There's not much statistical evidence to support my argument, but all the tea leaves seem to indicate that people around the league are pretty high on Schaub. Atlanta allegedly wouldn't give him up for less than a first rounder. Also, I'm a pretty big believer in using NFL draft position as an indicator of an untested player's potential. Schaub wasn't a particularly high pick, but he was a first day selection.

Volek has had his moments, but he strikes me as a Kelly Holcomb journeyman/fringe starter type.

 
Buy Low

Chris Perry – Perry is a no-brainer value pick in this year’s initial dynasty drafts. He’s a first round NFL RB available for the price of a mid-round selection. He’s this year’s Larry Johnson or LaMont Jordan, meaning he’s going to be worth a very high pick once he becomes a starter. If you have patience, he should pay off. That said, the injury concerns are a bit of an issue and he's signed for a few more years.

LenDale White – I think White offers the best draft value of this year’s rookie RBs. He should be starting by 2007, but he still comes quite a bit cheaper than the other top rookies. He's my pick to lead rookies in rushing yards and rushing TDs.

Ben Troupe – Troupe fits the mold of a pretty good buy-low pick. He’s a highly-touted prospect who has shown steady improvement throughout his two seasons. He won’t come super cheap, but he still seems like a bit of a bargain at his current price.

Justin Fargas – Fargas is one of my top dynasty RB sleepers this year. He has plenty of critics, but I think he has a chance to make an impact in the NFL if he can stay healthy and get some touches. His physical skills are among the best of any NFL RB, and while it would be easy to dismiss him as nothing more than a workout warrior, you shouldn’t forget that he led the NFL in preseason rushing yards in 2003. Like fellow preseason rushing champs Rudi Johnson and Chester Taylor, Fargas could eventually emerge as a starter. The real beauty is that he’s available for pennies, so the risk is almost nonexistent.

Ryan Moats – Moats is exactly the type of RB that I like to target in dynasty drafts. He’s a former first day draft pick who is still affordable due to his status as a backup. He was a great player in college and he performed pretty well in testing. He lacks ideal size, but he has a chance to make an impact down the road. The bad news is that Philadelphia re-signed Westbrook, meaning it may be a while before we get a good look at Moats.

Matt Cassel – Cassel was arguably the top rookie QB last year despite not starting a single game in college (he was Matt Leinart’s backup at USC). While I won’t quite predict another Tom Brady situation, Cassel is an intriguing late pick as a backup who could eventually emerge down the road as a starter. He’s already pushed Rohan Davey out of New England and won the backup job from Doug Flutie. Imagine what he might be capable of once he really gets settled in.

Laveranues Coles - Coles is a quality buy-low pick. He's exactly the kind of player that I like to target because he's a proven talent who has shown the ability to put up strong statistics. Conservative coaching and a QB carousel have hurt him, but we could see the Coles of old now that the team has brought in some decent QB help and a new coach.

Sell High

Shaun Alexander – It might be hard to accept, but now is the perfect time to trade Alexander. His value will never be higher and there’s a very good chance that it will sink considerably in the coming years. Though he’ll only be 29 next season, Alexander has logged a lot of carries throughout his year. More importantly, he’s coming off a fluke season in which he logged over 400 carries (including playoffs) and broke his personal regular-season rushing TD record by 11 scores. Alexander seems poised for a fall, but most people still view him as a consensus top three dynasty pick. Take advantage of this and sell him while you can still get top value.

Willie Parker - Parker is a nice player with good speed and home run hitting ability, but I think he’s a major reach in dynasty drafts. I simply don’t see him ever becoming the type of consistent scorer that you expect from a top 30-40 pick. Maybe he'll pull a Brian Westbrook and prove me wrong, but I'm pessimistic on his prospects.

Edgerrin James – James has had a great career, but you have to wonder how much gas is left in the tank. He’s accumulated a lot of mileage over the years and I think it’s likely that he’ll experience a sharp decline within the next few years. Given how high he’s going, he’s just not worth the risk.

Tiki Barber – Barber is a great player with a great work ethic. Unfortunately, he’s getting old and has accumulated a lot of touches. I see a limited shelf-life and a lot of risk. Not my kind of player.

Santana Moss – Moss had a great year in 2005, but he’s always struck me as inconsistent. Now that Washington has Lloyd and Randle El, I could see Moss’ numbers taking a little bit of a hit. He’s still a good player to have, but I expect his value to dip a bit in the next year.
I agree with these. :thumbup: x 12.
Buy Low

Matt Schaub – Schaub is fairly underrated as a dynasty prospect. He’s shown great promise throughout his NFL career and will almost certainly be a starter in 2007. This is another no-brainer pick because there’s virtually nowhere to go but up.
Disagree - people are overpaying for him right now. If you get him in Round 15 (Pick 170-ish) or later, ok - good value. Earlier than that, overpaying.
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
Disagree - Good QB, picking before Round 6 is too high.
Buy Low

Ben Watson – Like Troupe, Watson is a former top prospect who has shown steady statistical improvement. He’s a popular sleeper pick this year and I think he’s a good bet to outproduce his draft slot.
Disagree - I like Watson, but aren't there about 20 TEs in NE now? Seriously, they drafted two more (Dave Thomas, Garrett Mills) and have Watson and Graham. Lots of other directions for the ball to go to from Brady. I like Watson, but he may not get enough targets.
Buy Low

William Green – Green is another great dynasty RB sleeper. Poor coaching, a weak supporting cast, and some personal problems have stunted his career, but he’ll be a free agent next year and he could surprise if he falls into a favorable situation. He could be the next Thomas Jones. Given his extremely low price, why not take a chance?
Disagree - he may not even make the team. The rookie draft pick, Jerome Harrison, and Lee Suggs are the best challengers to Reuben, and even they may get little work.
Sell High

LaMont Jordan – Jordan had a nice year in 2005, but I think he’s become grossly-overrated. He’s an average NFL starter and I don’t see him consistently putting up the kind of elite numbers that he’d need to produce in order to justify his high draft slot. I find it ridiculous that he’s being drafted above the likes of Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin.
Disagree - LaMont Jordan is more of a sure thing than the sophomore RBs. Add in his PPR value and you have a solid/great RB1. He also has little challenge to his job.
Sell High

Chester Taylor – I’ve always liked Chester Taylor, and actually made a post recommending him as a dynasty buy low candidate prior to the 2005 season. Things have changed since then. Now that Taylor is in position to start for the Vikings, his value has increased significantly. While he could surprise us and become a top 10 back, I think his value is high enough to justify shipping him off right now.
Disagree - Brian Childress in Minnesota can make Taylor into the next Westbrook. I'd hold on to that.
Sell High

Chris Chambers – Chambers finally lived up to his potential last year, but I don’t know if he’ll ever do it again. Daunte Culpepper is an overrated talent who has struggled without Randy Moss. Chambers caught less than 50% of his targets last year, making him one of the least efficient top 20 WRs in the NFL. Some of that is due to his poor QB situation, but I’d still argue that Chambers will never again achieve the elite numbers that he posted last year.
Disagree - Solid WR1 with Culpepper? Sounds like a keeper to me.
Sell High

Ronnie Brown - Brown had a decent rookie year in which he flashed big play potential. With Ricky Williams out of town, he should get a chance to prove himself as a 300+ carry workhorse back. That's the good news. The bad news is that he was inconsistent last year and that he's going in the top 10 of most dynasty drafts. He certainly has the potential to justify his draft slot, but is he really worth a top 10 pick? Is he really a better bet for your team than someone like Antonio Gates, Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, or Anquan Boldin? I'd say no. There's too much risk that he'll be the next Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, or Willis McGahee. He has the potential to be great, but I don't think he warrants a first round pick.
Disagree - RB has more positional scarcity, which makes a RB starter with a guaranteed workload very valuable.Overall EBF - :goodposting: We agreed on 12, disagreed on 8 (and some of those on just when to get those players).

Good discussion / debate fodder. :thumbup:

 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.

 
Buy Low

Matt Schaub – Schaub is fairly underrated as a dynasty prospect. He’s shown great promise throughout his NFL career and will almost certainly be a starter in 2007. This is another no-brainer pick because there’s virtually nowhere to go but up.
What's to say that Schaub <= Volek?Volek's also getting overlooked (and is far cheaper) than Schaub.
I don't see Volek as a guy who will ever be guaranteed a starting job, whereas I think Schaub will definitely be a starter in 2007. There's not much statistical evidence to support my argument, but all the tea leaves seem to indicate that people around the league are pretty high on Schaub. Atlanta allegedly wouldn't give him up for less than a first rounder. Also, I'm a pretty big believer in using NFL draft position as an indicator of an untested player's potential. Schaub wasn't a particularly high pick, but he was a first day selection.

Volek has had his moments, but he strikes me as a Kelly Holcomb journeyman/fringe starter type.
I hear what you're saying, but I'm playing Devil's Advocate. Volek was the FA to covet and go get after he stepped in in 2004. Then he fell off the planet in 2005.Kitna was the last coveted backup.

AJ Feeley became "worth a 2nd round pick" after 4-5 games for the Eagles a few years ago.

Not equating any of them, just saying that the most popular guy in town is the backup QB.

 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.
Peyton barley cracks the top 15 for a fantasy player I dont see how you can think Ben would
 
Side comment:

In general, RBs are overrated in dynasty drafts. I consistently see people reach for questionable RB talents over superstar WRs, QBs, and TEs. I'm certainly not risk aversive, but I think people are forgetting that the most important thing in a dynasty league is to get good players. It's true that RBs usually offer the most potential, but only a select few ever reach that coveted stud status. Why gamble on someone like Ronnie Brown when you can play it safe and get a beast like Anquan Boldin? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me (although I did draft Reggie Bush at 1.03 in a PPR league).

Some of the picks I've seen just don't make a lot of sense to me. Guys like Hines Ward and Antonio Gates might not be exciting, but I think they're much safer bets to help your team than are guys like Chester Taylor and DeAngelo Williams.
I am going to agree, I am about half way through my first dynasty draft. My plan was to draft thinking only about 2 years into the future because you never know how the league will pull together and I found myself selecting a lot of RB that I think are valueble over WR that I think will have sustained value. RB are great because when one makes that jump he can take you to the title but they change so quickly if you can load your team with Wayne, Boldin, Brady and one top 10 back, I think those would be reasonable first 4 round picks you have some real staying power and you can just accumulate runningbacks later with the chance to break out. There are always guys at the RB possition that you don't see coming in a given year, Gado comes to mind. The longevity for top runningbacks is just such a short time and they lose a lot of trade value quickly. I also think there is a glut of running back talent in the league right now that you can draft some older backs a little later, Warrick Dunn maybe, and still stash some good talent on your bench, Chris Perry.
Yea, it's an interesting idea. If I do another initial PPR dynasty draft this season then I might trade out of the first round draft WRs with my first three picks.

 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.
Wow, could not disagree more.I can't see any QB in the first two rounds except Peyton and possibly Carson Palmer.

Big Ben is a talent, but he'll never have the opportunity to produce like a Manning or even post Carson-type numbers. I can't invision a way for him to get 30 TD passes. Pittsburgh is a run and D team with weaker WRs than last season. Without that upside, I cannot see him worth a 2nd round pick.

 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.
Peyton barley cracks the top 15 for a fantasy player I dont see how you can think Ben would
In dynasty leagues, I put a lot of value in "money in the bank" players. Roethlisberger isn't as flashy as some other players, but if you draft him then I think you can pencil him in as your starter for the next 10 years and never look back. If you're worried about his short-term prospects then you can always pair him with a cheap veteran like Bledsoe, Warner, Brooks, or T. Green.
 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.
Peyton barley cracks the top 15 for a fantasy player I dont see how you can think Ben would
In dynasty leagues, I put a lot of value in "money in the bank" players. Roethlisberger isn't as flashy as some other players, but if you draft him then I think you can pencil him in as your starter for the next 10 years and never look back. If you're worried about his short-term prospects then you can always pair him with a cheap veteran like Bledsoe, Warner, Brooks, or T. Green.
I could pencil in a number of players for a number of years - doesn't mean I'd like the production.
 
Buy Low

Matt Schaub – Schaub is fairly underrated as a dynasty prospect. He’s shown great promise throughout his NFL career and will almost certainly be a starter in 2007. This is another no-brainer pick because there’s virtually nowhere to go but up. 
What's to say that Schaub <= Volek?Volek's also getting overlooked (and is far cheaper) than Schaub.
I don't see Volek as a guy who will ever be guaranteed a starting job, whereas I think Schaub will definitely be a starter in 2007. There's not much statistical evidence to support my argument, but all the tea leaves seem to indicate that people around the league are pretty high on Schaub. Atlanta allegedly wouldn't give him up for less than a first rounder. Also, I'm a pretty big believer in using NFL draft position as an indicator of an untested player's potential. Schaub wasn't a particularly high pick, but he was a first day selection.

Volek has had his moments, but he strikes me as a Kelly Holcomb journeyman/fringe starter type.
I hear what you're saying, but I'm playing Devil's Advocate. Volek was the FA to covet and go get after he stepped in in 2004. Then he fell off the planet in 2005.Kitna was the last coveted backup.

AJ Feeley became "worth a 2nd round pick" after 4-5 games for the Eagles a few years ago.

Not equating any of them, just saying that the most popular guy in town is the backup QB.
I hear what you're saying. On some levels it's a matter of personal opinion. I happen to think Schaub is the real deal. That doesn't mean he's going to be a superstar, but I think he's closer to someone like Jake Delhomme than he is to someone like AJ Feeley. That's just the opinion that I've arrived at after reading about him, watching him, and looking at his preseason and regular season performances. Don't get me wrong though, I wouldn't use an early pick on him. I passed on him at 12.10 in our HyperActive draft because I thought it was a little too early for him. 13th-14th round of a 12 team league seems appropriate to me. I like the value there.

 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.
Peyton barley cracks the top 15 for a fantasy player I dont see how you can think Ben would
In dynasty leagues, I put a lot of value in "money in the bank" players. Roethlisberger isn't as flashy as some other players, but if you draft him then I think you can pencil him in as your starter for the next 10 years and never look back. If you're worried about his short-term prospects then you can always pair him with a cheap veteran like Bledsoe, Warner, Brooks, or T. Green.
I could pencil in a number of players for a number of years - doesn't mean I'd like the production.
Yea, but you also have to realize that I'm significantly more bullish on his statistical potential than most people are.
 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.
Wow, could not disagree more.I can't see any QB in the first two rounds except Peyton and possibly Carson Palmer.

Big Ben is a talent, but he'll never have the opportunity to produce like a Manning or even post Carson-type numbers. I can't invision a way for him to get 30 TD passes. Pittsburgh is a run and D team with weaker WRs than last season. Without that upside, I cannot see him worth a 2nd round pick.
Copied from another thread:Neil O'Donnell under Bill Cowher:

1992 - 313 attempts in 12 games

1993 - 486 attempts in 16 games

1994 - 370 attemps in 14 games

1995 - 416 attempts in 12 games

1585 attempts in 54 games.

Average attempts per game = 29.35

Average attempts per 16 game season = 469.6

470 is not a ton of attempts, but it's a respectable amount. It's more than Jake Delhomme, Peyton Manning, and Matt Hasselbeck had in 2005 (and they all played in 16 games). I think it's definitely enough to allow Roethlisberger to rank among the top FF QBs.

I fully understand that Pittsburgh is a run-first, clock-controlling team by choice. At the same time, I think it's important to remember a few things:

- Cowher has never had a QB as good as Ben. Would you have thrown a lot if Kordell Stewart was your QB? The closest thing Cowher has had to Roethlisberger was O'Donnell. He never approached Bulger or Warner levels of pass attempts, but he threw enough to make an FF impact. I think Ben will do the same, but with greater efficiency.

- Sometimes, things don't work out as teams hope they will. A few injuries and/or free agent losses can force teams to alter their game plan. Do you really think Jeff Fisher wanted his QBs to throw the ball 572 times in 2004? Fisher is a run-first coach like Cowher, but a few unfortunate circumstances forced him to abandon his preference in order to be competitive. You really can't discount the possibility of the same thing happening in Pittsburgh. In fact, you could argue that it recently did happen in 2003, when the smashmouth Steelers QB chucked it 519 times. Does Cowher want to throw a lot? Of course not, but that doesn't mean he won't be forced to at some point in the future.

I don't expect Roethlisberger to be an FF monster in 2006. However, I do think he's the best young QB in football, I do think he's going to be a solid FF starter in the near future, and I do think he has the potential to put up monster numbers if the situation works out properly. That's why I picked him. He should be a solid player with the potential to be a difference-maker.

 
Buy Low

Chris Perry – Perry is a no-brainer value pick in this year’s initial dynasty drafts. He’s a first round NFL RB available for the price of a mid-round selection. He’s this year’s Larry Johnson or LaMont Jordan, meaning he’s going to be worth a very high pick once he becomes a starter. If you have patience, he should pay off. That said, the injury concerns are a bit of an issue and he's signed for a few more years.

LenDale White – I think White offers the best draft value of this year’s rookie RBs. He should be starting by 2007, but he still comes quite a bit cheaper than the other top rookies. He's my pick to lead rookies in rushing yards and rushing TDs.

Ben Troupe – Troupe fits the mold of a pretty good buy-low pick. He’s a highly-touted prospect who has shown steady improvement throughout his two seasons. He won’t come super cheap, but he still seems like a bit of a bargain at his current price.

Justin Fargas – Fargas is one of my top dynasty RB sleepers this year. He has plenty of critics, but I think he has a chance to make an impact in the NFL if he can stay healthy and get some touches. His physical skills are among the best of any NFL RB, and while it would be easy to dismiss him as nothing more than a workout warrior, you shouldn’t forget that he led the NFL in preseason rushing yards in 2003. Like fellow preseason rushing champs Rudi Johnson and Chester Taylor, Fargas could eventually emerge as a starter. The real beauty is that he’s available for pennies, so the risk is almost nonexistent.

Ryan Moats – Moats is exactly the type of RB that I like to target in dynasty drafts. He’s a former first day draft pick who is still affordable due to his status as a backup. He was a great player in college and he performed pretty well in testing. He lacks ideal size, but he has a chance to make an impact down the road. The bad news is that Philadelphia re-signed Westbrook, meaning it may be a while before we get a good look at Moats.

Matt Cassel – Cassel was arguably the top rookie QB last year despite not starting a single game in college (he was Matt Leinart’s backup at USC). While I won’t quite predict another Tom Brady situation, Cassel is an intriguing late pick as a backup who could eventually emerge down the road as a starter. He’s already pushed Rohan Davey out of New England and won the backup job from Doug Flutie. Imagine what he might be capable of once he really gets settled in.

Laveranues Coles  - Coles is a quality buy-low pick. He's exactly the kind of player that I like to target because he's a proven talent who has shown the ability to put up strong statistics. Conservative coaching and a QB carousel have hurt him, but we could see the Coles of old now that the team has brought in some decent QB help and a new coach.

Sell High

Shaun Alexander – It might be hard to accept, but now is the perfect time to trade Alexander. His value will never be higher and there’s a very good chance that it will sink considerably in the coming years. Though he’ll only be 29 next season, Alexander has logged a lot of carries throughout his year. More importantly, he’s coming off a fluke season in which he logged over 400 carries (including playoffs) and broke his personal regular-season rushing TD record by 11 scores. Alexander seems poised for a fall, but most people still view him as a consensus top three dynasty pick. Take advantage of this and sell him while you can still get top value.

Willie Parker - Parker is a nice player with good speed and home run hitting ability, but I think he’s a major reach in dynasty drafts. I simply don’t see him ever becoming the type of consistent scorer that you expect from a top 30-40 pick. Maybe he'll pull a Brian Westbrook and prove me wrong, but I'm pessimistic on his prospects.

Edgerrin James – James has had a great career, but you have to wonder how much gas is left in the tank. He’s accumulated a lot of mileage over the years and I think it’s likely that he’ll experience a sharp decline within the next few years. Given how high he’s going, he’s just not worth the risk.

Tiki Barber – Barber is a great player with a great work ethic. Unfortunately, he’s getting old and has accumulated a lot of touches. I see a limited shelf-life and a lot of risk. Not my kind of player.

Santana Moss – Moss had a great year in 2005, but he’s always struck me as inconsistent. Now that Washington has Lloyd and Randle El, I could see Moss’ numbers taking a little bit of a hit. He’s still a good player to have, but I expect his value to dip a bit in the next year.
I agree with these. :thumbup: x 12.
Buy Low

Matt Schaub – Schaub is fairly underrated as a dynasty prospect. He’s shown great promise throughout his NFL career and will almost certainly be a starter in 2007. This is another no-brainer pick because there’s virtually nowhere to go but up. 
Disagree - people are overpaying for him right now. If you get him in Round 15 (Pick 170-ish) or later, ok - good value. Earlier than that, overpaying.
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
Disagree - Good QB, picking before Round 6 is too high.
Buy Low

Ben Watson – Like Troupe, Watson is a former top prospect who has shown steady statistical improvement. He’s a popular sleeper pick this year and I think he’s a good bet to outproduce his draft slot.
Disagree - I like Watson, but aren't there about 20 TEs in NE now? Seriously, they drafted two more (Dave Thomas, Garrett Mills) and have Watson and Graham. Lots of other directions for the ball to go to from Brady. I like Watson, but he may not get enough targets.
Buy Low

William Green – Green is another great dynasty RB sleeper. Poor coaching, a weak supporting cast, and some personal problems have stunted his career, but he’ll be a free agent next year and he could surprise if he falls into a favorable situation. He could be the next Thomas Jones. Given his extremely low price, why not take a chance?
Disagree - he may not even make the team. The rookie draft pick, Jerome Harrison, and Lee Suggs are the best challengers to Reuben, and even they may get little work.
Sell High

LaMont Jordan – Jordan had a nice year in 2005, but I think he’s become grossly-overrated. He’s an average NFL starter and I don’t see him consistently putting up the kind of elite numbers that he’d need to produce in order to justify his high draft slot. I find it ridiculous that he’s being drafted above the likes of Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin.
Disagree - LaMont Jordan is more of a sure thing than the sophomore RBs. Add in his PPR value and you have a solid/great RB1. He also has little challenge to his job.
Sell High

Chester Taylor – I’ve always liked Chester Taylor, and actually made a post recommending him as a dynasty buy low candidate prior to the 2005 season. Things have changed since then. Now that Taylor is in position to start for the Vikings, his value has increased significantly. While he could surprise us and become a top 10 back, I think his value is high enough to justify shipping him off right now.
Disagree - Brian Childress in Minnesota can make Taylor into the next Westbrook. I'd hold on to that.
Sell High

Chris Chambers – Chambers finally lived up to his potential last year, but I don’t know if he’ll ever do it again. Daunte Culpepper is an overrated talent who has struggled without Randy Moss. Chambers caught less than 50% of his targets last year, making him one of the least efficient top 20 WRs in the NFL. Some of that is due to his poor QB situation, but I’d still argue that Chambers will never again achieve the elite numbers that he posted last year.
Disagree - Solid WR1 with Culpepper? Sounds like a keeper to me.
Sell High

Ronnie Brown - Brown had a decent rookie year in which he flashed big play potential. With Ricky Williams out of town, he should get a chance to prove himself as a 300+ carry workhorse back. That's the good news. The bad news is that he was inconsistent last year and that he's going in the top 10 of most dynasty drafts. He certainly has the potential to justify his draft slot, but is he really worth a top 10 pick? Is he really a better bet for your team than someone like Antonio Gates, Larry Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson, or Anquan Boldin? I'd say no. There's too much risk that he'll be the next Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, or Willis McGahee. He has the potential to be great, but I don't think he warrants a first round pick.
Disagree - RB has more positional scarcity, which makes a RB starter with a guaranteed workload very valuable.Overall EBF - :goodposting: We agreed on 12, disagreed on 8 (and some of those on just when to get those players).

Good discussion / debate fodder. :thumbup:
Quick thoughts:William Green - I haven't heard any rumors of him not making the team. From what I've been hearing, he's locked in as the backup and Suggs is the one who will be fighting for a job. That said, Green's value isn't in Cleveland. It's wherever he goes next year. FF players always have a "What have you done for me lately/" attitude. They ignored Thomas Jones and they're ignoring Green. I won't guarantee success, but in the 20th round? Why not?

LaMont Jordan - I have a bit of a bias against low YPC backs. Jordan has a lot of job security, but the team changed coaches and there's no guarantee that Jordan will once again get the high TD and reception numbers. I'm not saying he won't be a quality RB for his FF teams, but is he really more valuable than guys like Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Torry Holt? I'd lean towards no.

Chris Chambers - Part of the problem I have with the Dolphin love this offseason is the idea that Culpepper is going to light it up in this offense. What has Daunte done without Moss? Jack squat. He was awful last year. Factor in Chambers' alarmingly-low target conversion % and the fact that he played well over his career averages last year, and I think you have the makings of a disappointment. Will he be awful? Probably not. Is he a top 10 dynasty WR? I'm not so sure.

Ronnie Brown - I think he falls in the same boat as Jordan. He's a decent option, but he just doesn't warrant being selected above the proven superstars at the other required starting positions. You might get a home run, or you might get Willis McGahee. I'd rather sit pretty and take Boldin, Fitz, Gates, etc.

 
Your initial list was interesting and I largely agreed with it, it's a pity you're now off on a tangent with this insane Roethlisberger-as-a-top-15-dynasty-player extravaganza. I mean that puts him in the same ballpark as, in your own words,

Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin
 
Laveranues Coles - Coles is a quality buy-low pick. He's exactly the kind of player that I like to target because he's a proven talent who has shown the ability to put up strong statistics. Conservative coaching and a QB carousel have hurt him, but we could see the Coles of old now that the team has brought in some decent QB help and a new coach.
This is one I'd have to disagree with. I don't think Coles has been the same since getting hurt. Because of that I'd say his upside is relatively limited.
 
Your initial list was interesting and I largely agreed with it, it's a pity you're now off on a tangent with this insane Roethlisberger-as-a-top-15-dynasty-player extravaganza.

I mean that puts him in the same ballpark as, in your own words,

Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin
I don't think it's really that far-fetched. I also have Peyton, Palmer, and Brady up there. Ben is certainly in their class as an NFL QB. Is it such a huge stretch to put him in the same class as a dynasty FF QB? Some would say yes, but I'd say no. I don't think his team's system will be nearly the long-term restraint that some people are making it out to be. That doesn't mean I expect the Steelers to start throwing 40 times a game, but I certainly don't think he's going to average 19 attempts/game for the duration of his career.

Tom Brady is a decent recent comparison. After his first year as a starter, people mostly saw him as a game-manager Aikman type. Fast forward a few years and he's leading the league in passing yards. Good teams build around their best players.

 
I don't think it's really that far-fetched. I also have Peyton, Palmer, and Brady up there. Ben is certainly in their class as an NFL QB. Is it such a huge stretch to put him in the same class as a dynasty FF QB? Some would say yes, but I'd say no. I don't think his team's system will be nearly the long-term restraint that some people are making it out to be. That doesn't mean I expect the Steelers to start throwing 40 times a game, but I certainly don't think he's going to average 19 attempts/game for the duration of his career. Tom Brady is a decent recent comparison. After his first year as a starter, people mostly saw him as a game-manager Aikman type. Fast forward a few years and he's leading the league in passing yards. Good teams build around their best players.
What all this essentially boils down to is relative positional scarcity/abundance.In a 12 team start 1 QB-2RB-3-WR league:* Starting RBs are relatively scarce. Teams must start 24 RBs every week, which is a lot given that there are 32 teams but many of those employ RBBC. What with injuries and byes, there aren't 24 starting backs every week.* Starting WRs are relatively plentiful. Teams must start 36 WRs every week, but given that each NFL team starts at least two and some often start three, there are plenty of options at WR.* Starting QBs are highly plentiful. If you only have to start 12 QBs from 32 NFL starting QBs you can have your pick from the best.What this means in practical terms is that in dynasty leagues RBs are highly valued (we've all seen 10 RBs go in the first round of a dynasty draft), WRs come next, and QBs a distant third. It's a very popular strategy to only draft a QB after the 6th round.The only EXCEPTION to this is if a QB is producing at an insanely productive rate, considerably above his peers - eg Manning and C-Pep two years ago, in which case that QB does become very valuable.But given the fact that there are plenty of productive QBs to go around, for a QB to be valued in the top 15 of dynasty players, you must be sure that they are going to be insanely productive like Manning or C-Pep two years ago.And I don't see that with Roethlisberger.
 
I think people are getting hung up on the "top 15" label; the people up in arms about it are correct in their thinking, but the fact is no one has to draft him that high. However, I agree with EBF that he's a huge talent that's under the radar.

I'm bullish on Big Ben (I traded for him in a dynasty just recently) and think he could be a difference maker as soon as next year.

A couple of reasons why that are not already stated-

-Pitt will now have to match points with better offenses than before in their division. Cincy and Baltimore, specifically, and perhaps Cleveland in the future.

-There is no longer a proven battering ram to sit on leads with. The fact is that Parker and Staley are not without question marks.

-Ben has shown he's a great instinctive player. It's been noted many times during broadcasts that his completion percentage is much higher once he's been hit in the pocket. The more experience he gets, the more he will rely on his instincts to perform.

For whatever reason, people are forgetting that qbs aren't

supposed to perform this well so soon.

 
My BUY LOW:

Alex Smith, QB, SF

People have written him off based on last year. He had no surrounding talent, no offensive line, no running game, and he was a ####### ROOKIE! This year with the addition of A.Bryant/V.Davis, a healthy Jennings/L.Allen, an improved Gore, and an offseason under his belt - look for improvement. He is not Ryan Leaf, he is an intelligent QB whose is a great athlete. Right now he is available in most leagues for a half eaten bologna sandwich.

 
What all this essentially boils down to is relative positional scarcity/abundance....

...What this means in practical terms is that in dynasty leagues RBs are highly valued (we've all seen 10 RBs go in the first round of a dynasty draft), WRs come next, and QBs a distant third. It's a very popular strategy to only draft a QB after the 6th round.

The only EXCEPTION to this is if a QB is producing at an insanely productive rate, considerably above his peers - eg Manning and C-Pep two years ago, in which case that QB does become very valuable.

But given the fact that there are plenty of productive QBs to go around, for a QB to be valued in the top 15 of dynasty players, you must be sure that they are going to be insanely productive like Manning or C-Pep two years ago.

And I don't see that with Roethlisberger.
The part that I think people are missing a bit is the "dynasty" part of the conversation. Ben is going to produce at a high level and will do it year in and year out. One thing is for sure...the NFL will always protect their QBs, so the career is long and you get the numbers year in and year out, which you won't get from a running back. So it is more of a long-term investment. Maybe you don't get insane numbers, but you will get quality every single year and it will only get better as they surround him with quality WRs and TEs (they are setting themselves up for a good passing game - look at their first round picks the past two years).
 
Your initial list was interesting and I largely agreed with it, it's a pity you're now off on a tangent with this insane Roethlisberger-as-a-top-15-dynasty-player extravaganza.

I mean that puts him in the same ballpark as, in your own words,

Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin
I don't think it's really that far-fetched. I also have Peyton, Palmer, and Brady up there. Ben is certainly in their class as an NFL QB. Is it such a huge stretch to put him in the same class as a dynasty FF QB?
so in no particular order you have the following in your top 15:1. Randy Moss

2. Torry Holt

3. Larry Fitzgerald

4. Antonio Gates

5. Anquan Boldin

6. Peyton Manning

7. Carson Palmer

8. Tom Brady

9. Ben Rothelisberger

10. RB

11. RB

12. RB

13. RB

14. RB

15. RB

I am going to assume that means you have ONLY 6 RBs in your top 15 Dynasty Players....that is unless you have a Kicker or another TE or something...

my friend 6RB, 4WR, 1TE, 4QBs in the top 15 in dynasty rankings is SHEER LUNACY

 
What all this essentially boils down to is relative positional scarcity/abundance....

...What this means in practical terms is that in dynasty leagues RBs are highly valued (we've all seen 10 RBs go in the first round of a dynasty draft), WRs come next, and QBs a distant third. It's a very popular strategy to only draft a QB after the 6th round.

The only EXCEPTION to this is if a QB is producing at an insanely productive rate, considerably above his peers - eg Manning and C-Pep two years ago, in which case that QB does become very valuable.

But given the fact that there are plenty of productive QBs to go around, for a QB to be valued in the top 15 of dynasty players, you must be sure that they are going to be insanely productive like Manning or C-Pep two years ago.

And I don't see that with Roethlisberger.
The part that I think people are missing a bit is the "dynasty" part of the conversation. Ben is going to produce at a high level and will do it year in and year out. One thing is for sure...the NFL will always protect their QBs, so the career is long and you get the numbers year in and year out, which you won't get from a running back. So it is more of a long-term investment. Maybe you don't get insane numbers, but you will get quality every single year and it will only get better as they surround him with quality WRs and TEs (they are setting themselves up for a good passing game - look at their first round picks the past two years).
using that logic the top 6 or so picks should all be YOUNG QBs with upside heck jason elam ranked i think in the top 3 in Kickers about 15 yrs ago or so maybe there is a kicker that should crack the top 10 too

:sarcasm:

 
Copied from another thread:

Neil O'Donnell under Bill Cowher:

1992 - 313 attempts in 12 games

1993 - 486 attempts in 16 games

1994 - 370 attemps in 14 games

1995 - 416 attempts in 12 games

1585 attempts in 54 games.

Average attempts per game = 29.35

Average attempts per 16 game season = 469.6

470 is not a ton of attempts, but it's a respectable amount. It's more than Jake Delhomme, Peyton Manning, and Matt Hasselbeck had in 2005 (and they all played in 16 games). I think it's definitely enough to allow Roethlisberger to rank among the top FF QBs.

I fully understand that Pittsburgh is a run-first, clock-controlling team by choice. At the same time, I think it's important to remember a few things:

- Cowher has never had a QB as good as Ben. Would you have thrown a lot if Kordell Stewart was your QB? The closest thing Cowher has had to Roethlisberger was O'Donnell. He never approached Bulger or Warner levels of pass attempts, but he threw enough to make an FF impact. I think Ben will do the same, but with greater efficiency.

- Sometimes, things don't work out as teams hope they will. A few injuries and/or free agent losses can force teams to alter their game plan. Do you really think Jeff Fisher wanted his QBs to throw the ball 572 times in 2004? Fisher is a run-first coach like Cowher, but a few unfortunate circumstances forced him to abandon his preference in order to be competitive. You really can't discount the possibility of the same thing happening in Pittsburgh. In fact, you could argue that it recently did happen in 2003, when the smashmouth Steelers QB chucked it 519 times. Does Cowher want to throw a lot? Of course not, but that doesn't mean he won't be forced to at some point in the future.

I don't expect Roethlisberger to be an FF monster in 2006. However, I do think he's the best young QB in football, I do think he's going to be a solid FF starter in the near future, and I do think he has the potential to put up monster numbers if the situation works out properly. That's why I picked him. He should be a solid player with the potential to be a difference-maker.
Peyton Manning only played 16 games if you count playoffs. Remember the whole discussion on 14-0, 16-0, resting your starters? Week 14 against SEA he threw 12 passes, vs ARI the following week he threw 2. With a 'normal'workload he hould have passed 470 easy.
 
Buy Low

Ben Roethlisberger – While he’s certainly a household name, Roethlisberger still strikes me as an underrated dynasty player. I think he’s probably the best young QB in football and it’s scary to think what he might be able to accomplish if given more opportunities to throw the ball. I have him ranked as a top 15 dynasty player, and he’s typically available in the 40-60 range, so he seems like a steal. This is another pick that will take some patience though, because he likely won't produce big stats right away.
I hope you mean Top 15 QB, right?
No, I have him in the top 15 overall. It's a matter of philosophy. My dynasty strategy is to select the best talent available with little regard for situation. I think Roethlisberger is clearly one of the top players in the NFL and I think his statistics will eventually show that.

I've heard all of the "Roethlisberger is Aikman" and "the Steelers will never have a top FF QB talk". There's a little bit of merit to some of that stuff, but I don't buy most it. I don't really want to rehash all of these arguments again, but I think Roethlisberger is a great dynasty QB because he's already a decent starter and he has the skills necessary to be an FF difference maker.

Basically, you know he won't really hurt your team, and there's a very good chance that he'll help it. In that regard, I put him in a class with guys like Brady and McNabb.
Wow, could not disagree more.I can't see any QB in the first two rounds except Peyton and possibly Carson Palmer.

Big Ben is a talent, but he'll never have the opportunity to produce like a Manning or even post Carson-type numbers. I can't invision a way for him to get 30 TD passes. Pittsburgh is a run and D team with weaker WRs than last season. Without that upside, I cannot see him worth a 2nd round pick.
:goodposting: Ben seems a heck of a lot more Aikman/Brunnell than he does Manning. A good, winning QB who will probably never be in a pass-happy offense.

 
Your initial list was interesting and I largely agreed with it, it's a pity you're now off on a tangent with this insane Roethlisberger-as-a-top-15-dynasty-player extravaganza.

I mean that puts him in the same ballpark as, in your own words,

Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin
I don't think it's really that far-fetched. I also have Peyton, Palmer, and Brady up there. Ben is certainly in their class as an NFL QB. Is it such a huge stretch to put him in the same class as a dynasty FF QB?
so in no particular order you have the following in your top 15:1. Randy Moss

2. Torry Holt

3. Larry Fitzgerald

4. Antonio Gates

5. Anquan Boldin

6. Peyton Manning

7. Carson Palmer

8. Tom Brady

9. Ben Rothelisberger

10. RB

11. RB

12. RB

13. RB

14. RB

15. RB

I am going to assume that means you have ONLY 6 RBs in your top 15 Dynasty Players....that is unless you have a Kicker or another TE or something...

my friend 6RB, 4WR, 1TE, 4QBs in the top 15 in dynasty rankings is SHEER LUNACY
There are only 5 RBs in my top 15 for PPR leagues. There are 8 in the top 20.
 
Your initial list was interesting and I largely agreed with it, it's a pity you're now off on a tangent with this insane Roethlisberger-as-a-top-15-dynasty-player extravaganza.

I mean that puts him in the same ballpark as, in your own words,

Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin
I don't think it's really that far-fetched. I also have Peyton, Palmer, and Brady up there. Ben is certainly in their class as an NFL QB. Is it such a huge stretch to put him in the same class as a dynasty FF QB?
so in no particular order you have the following in your top 15:1. Randy Moss

2. Torry Holt

3. Larry Fitzgerald

4. Antonio Gates

5. Anquan Boldin

6. Peyton Manning

7. Carson Palmer

8. Tom Brady

9. Ben Rothelisberger

10. RB

11. RB

12. RB

13. RB

14. RB

15. RB

I am going to assume that means you have ONLY 6 RBs in your top 15 Dynasty Players....that is unless you have a Kicker or another TE or something...

my friend 6RB, 4WR, 1TE, 4QBs in the top 15 in dynasty rankings is SHEER LUNACY
There are only 5 RBs in my top 15 for PPR leagues. There are 8 in the top 20.
so can you enlighten us to your exact top 15 in PPR and nonPPR leagues?
 
Your initial list was interesting and I largely agreed with it, it's a pity you're now off on a tangent with this insane Roethlisberger-as-a-top-15-dynasty-player extravaganza.

I mean that puts him in the same ballpark as, in your own words,

Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin
I don't think it's really that far-fetched. I also have Peyton, Palmer, and Brady up there. Ben is certainly in their class as an NFL QB. Is it such a huge stretch to put him in the same class as a dynasty FF QB?
so in no particular order you have the following in your top 15:1. Randy Moss

2. Torry Holt

3. Larry Fitzgerald

4. Antonio Gates

5. Anquan Boldin

6. Peyton Manning

7. Carson Palmer

8. Tom Brady

9. Ben Rothelisberger

10. RB

11. RB

12. RB

13. RB

14. RB

15. RB

I am going to assume that means you have ONLY 6 RBs in your top 15 Dynasty Players....that is unless you have a Kicker or another TE or something...

my friend 6RB, 4WR, 1TE, 4QBs in the top 15 in dynasty rankings is SHEER LUNACY
There are only 5 RBs in my top 15 for PPR leagues. There are 8 in the top 20.
so can you enlighten us to your exact top 15 in PPR and nonPPR leagues?
PPR Dynasty Top 15:1. Larry Fitzgerald

2. LaDainian Tomlinson

3. Larry Johnson

4. Chad Johnson

5. Antonio Gates

6. Anquan Boldin

7. Torry Holt

8. Peyton Manning

9. Reggie Bush

10. Carson Palmer

11. Ben Roethlisberger

12. Brian Westbrook

13. Tom Brady

14. Clinton Portis

15. Steven Jackson

Just Missed: Steve Smith, Cadillac Williams, Randy Moss

NOTES:

- These rankings are primarily based on two things: my faith in a player's ability to play at a high level (i.e. that he isn't a fluke) and my determination of how many years he has left. A guy like Steve Smith has more years left than Torry Holt, but I think Holt is a safer bet to perform at an elite level, which is why I rank Holt higher.

- To a large degree, dynasty rankings are a reflection of their creator's philosophy on the format. Personally, I place a premium on longevity. A guy like Brian Westbrook is much more valuable than Ben Roethlisberger or Carson Palmer in the short term, but I think that advantage is neutralized when you factor in expected career length. Westbrook probably has 3-5 years left. Roethlisberger and Palmer probably have 5-12 years left. If you're a "win now" type then these QBs are grossly overrated on my list, but if you want to talk about the pure value advantage that each player provides over the course of his career then I think the edge goes to the QBs.

- I also place a premium on stability. RBs tend to get injured and have shorter periods of dominance. That's why, relative to most other rankings that you'll find, I tend to rate WRs, TEs, and QBs a lot higher than RBs. A guy like Chad Johnson should give you a points advantage for the next 6-8 years, whereas someone like Shaun Alexander or Edgerrin James likely only has 2-3 years left. I make an exception for guys like LT and LJ because the potential advantage that they give you is so huge that it can't be ignored.

- These rankings are an assessment of actual value. Just because I rank Roethlisberger ahead of Westbrook doesn't mean I wouldn't accept Westbrook for Roethlisberger in a trade. When you start to factor in how your leaguemates are going to perceive players' values, you have to adjust and assume that RBs and WRs will usually trade much higher than QBs.

 
I know I'll be ripped for ranking the QBs so high, so here's a pre-emptive defense. Who would've been the more valuable dynasty player to have:

Brett Favre or Terrell Davis?

To a certain extent, it's a matter of philosophy. If you wanted a few insane years with title runs, then maybe Davis is your pick. If you wanted consistent production from a required starting position, then maybe Favre is your pick.

Personally, when I build a dynasty team, my goal is to build a long term contender. That means leaning towards longevity as one of the more important considerations when evaluating players. Carson Palmer may not help your team as much in 2006 as Steven Jackson would, but I think that's offset by his long term contributions.

 
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Your initial list was interesting and I largely agreed with it, it's a pity you're now off on a tangent with this insane Roethlisberger-as-a-top-15-dynasty-player extravaganza.

I mean that puts him in the same ballpark as, in your own words,

Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, and Anquan Boldin
I don't think it's really that far-fetched. I also have Peyton, Palmer, and Brady up there. Ben is certainly in their class as an NFL QB. Is it such a huge stretch to put him in the same class as a dynasty FF QB?
so in no particular order you have the following in your top 15:1. Randy Moss

2. Torry Holt

3. Larry Fitzgerald

4. Antonio Gates

5. Anquan Boldin

6. Peyton Manning

7. Carson Palmer

8. Tom Brady

9. Ben Rothelisberger

10. RB

11. RB

12. RB

13. RB

14. RB

15. RB

I am going to assume that means you have ONLY 6 RBs in your top 15 Dynasty Players....that is unless you have a Kicker or another TE or something...

my friend 6RB, 4WR, 1TE, 4QBs in the top 15 in dynasty rankings is SHEER LUNACY
There are only 5 RBs in my top 15 for PPR leagues. There are 8 in the top 20.
so can you enlighten us to your exact top 15 in PPR and nonPPR leagues?
PPR Dynasty Top 15:1. Larry Fitzgerald

2. LaDainian Tomlinson

3. Larry Johnson

4. Chad Johnson

5. Antonio Gates

6. Anquan Boldin

7. Torry Holt

8. Peyton Manning

9. Reggie Bush

10. Carson Palmer

11. Ben Roethlisberger

12. Brian Westbrook

13. Tom Brady

14. Clinton Portis

15. Steven Jackson

Just Missed: Steve Smith, Cadillac Williams, Randy Moss

NOTES:

- These rankings are primarily based on two things: my faith in a player's ability to play at a high level (i.e. that he isn't a fluke) and my determination of how many years he has left. A guy like Steve Smith has more years left than Torry Holt, but I think Holt is a safer bet to perform at an elite level, which is why I rank Holt higher.

- To a large degree, dynasty rankings are a reflection of their creator's philosophy on the format. Personally, I place a premium on longevity. A guy like Brian Westbrook is much more valuable than Ben Roethlisberger or Carson Palmer in the short term, but I think that advantage is neutralized when you factor in expected career length. Westbrook probably has 3-5 years left. Roethlisberger and Palmer probably have 5-12 years left. If you're a "win now" type then these QBs are grossly overrated on my list, but if you want to talk about the pure value advantage that each player provides over the course of his career then I think the edge goes to the QBs.

- I also place a premium on stability. RBs tend to get injured and have shorter periods of dominance. That's why, relative to most other rankings that you'll find, I tend to rate WRs, TEs, and QBs a lot higher than RBs. A guy like Chad Johnson should give you a points advantage for the next 6-8 years, whereas someone like Shaun Alexander or Edgerrin James likely only has 2-3 years left. I make an exception for guys like LT and LJ because the potential advantage that they give you is so huge that it can't be ignored.

- These rankings are an assessment of actual value. Just because I rank Roethlisberger ahead of Westbrook doesn't mean I wouldn't accept Westbrook for Roethlisberger in a trade. When you start to factor in how your leaguemates are going to perceive players' values, you have to adjust and assume that RBs and WRs will usually trade much higher than QBs.
:confused: Maybe it's just me, but if I rank a player ahead of another, I'd take the higher ranked player for the lower. (depending on need of course)

 
I know following the leagues I am in that are PPR, that I am one of the few that buys into the WR theory and even I dont like your rankings overall. In one league we can start 0 RB's and 6 WR's or 3 and 3 and I do 0-6. In another league we can start up to 4 RB's or 6 WR's and I start a 1-6 with LT as RB. In last league we can start up to 3 RB or 5 WR and I start a 1-5 because I must start a RB. It is Kevin Jones here. So big proponent and still dont like your rankings

 
Maybe it's just me, but if I rank a player ahead of another, I'd take the higher ranked player for the lower. (depending on need of course)
So if you happen to think that Samkon Gado is going to break out for 1300/12 this year, does that mean you'd draft him over Ronnie Brown or LaMont Jordan? Does that mean you'd turn down an offer of those guys for Gado? I highly doubt that. Perceived value of the rest of the league definitely plays a role.
 
Maybe it's just me, but if I rank a player ahead of another, I'd take the higher ranked player for the lower. (depending on need of course)
So if you happen to think that Samkon Gado is going to break out for 1300/12 this year, does that mean you'd draft him over Ronnie Brown or LaMont Jordan? Does that mean you'd turn down an offer of those guys for Gado? I highly doubt that. Perceived value of the rest of the league definitely plays a role.
But you are just saying you have to factor in probability and the idea that your own estimates are fallable compared to consensus rankings ...If you like Gado that much, but dont trust your own gut to give up a higher consensus player for him in trade ... then you really dont rank him that high ...

 
Does White actually have character concerns? He never once got in trouble at USC. Yea, he missed his workout, but the hamstring injury was legit. If this guy was a thug then I don't think Norm Chow would've consented to the pick.
Reports from numerous sources that he doesn't practice hard, doesn't take care of his weight, etc. He just seems soft and immature.There are many types of character concerns other than thuggery.
Fair enough. Those are legitimate concerns, but if I felt White was a severe risk then I wouldn't have put him on this list. We all have our own drafting preferences. If you like to steer clear of guys with character questions, then you can by all means do that.
I can understand the hammy problem hindering his performance, but what about the 15 reps at 200 and something lbs? It's not getting much mention but this HAS to be a problem wouldn't it?
 
Selling Tiki in a ppr is a difficult thing to do. All depends on if you want to win this year or rebuild. Hopefully you have enough depth and youngins to not have to pull the trigger on this.

 
great list EBF, always enjoy hearing your thoughts - my 2 cents:

100% agreed on Perry - patience is all that's needed.

White is a tough buy low because if you didn't draft him, then youre unlikely to get him - the team that drafts him is unlikely to be looking to deal him. That being said, his value is in a trough because of the bad buzz and hammy injury, so he presents value in rookie drafts, especially compared to where he was ranked in jan/feb.

Schaub - 100% agreed

Watson/Troupe - agreed for a while now

Fargas/Green - good for low/no risk fliers, but im not optimistic

Moats - I loved Moats at this time last year, but he looked small and not very rugged running inside once he got his shot. I am interested to see if he looks better now that he has absorbed the playbook, but i only consider him a hold right now.

Cassel - :thumbup: we could be talking about him the way we talk about schaub in a year or two.

Coles: a modest buy low in PPR leagues, but he could still be in for more QB carousel and choppy play. I also think he hasn't totally returned to pre-foot injury form, and may not ever get there.

SA: a strong sell high, but its hard to give him because youre likely decreasing your shot at a title.

parker: 100% agreed

Lamont: agreed if you can get that value, but its hard.

Edge: same issue as lamont - you need to find the owner that sees him still in the top 5 to make him a sell high.

CTaylor: 100% agreed, see LHUCKS RB critique for some more of my thoughts on chester.

SMoss: slight sell high, but still a solid top 15 WR and a guy that is likely to stay there for a while.

Chambers: I would not sell Chambers. Once CPep is healthy, Chambers could finally stop being such a tease and become a mainstay in the top 10, with top 5 upside.

RBrown: This one takes a gambler's mentality. You bring up the perfect comparisons for the sell high case in Kevin, Julius, and Willis, but SA and LJ also got launched in a similar fashion. You could be sick if you trade away the next stone cold lock top 5 RB on the verge of his breakout... you should only sell high if you feel confident that he won't be a success.

 
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