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Dynasty Buy Low's/Sell Highs (1 Viewer)

jm192

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With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed. Michael Pittman has proven talent. His QB situation is holding him down. It's possible Richardson improves. If Richardson doesn't improve, they'll likely have to start over. At some point if they're drafting another QB, I'd venture to guess we see them try to trade Pittman. No point in holding a 28/29 year old receiver until he loses all of his value when you're rebuilding anyways.

You're saying "I don't even want to touch these guys." Then their value is definitely suppressed. Situations change all the time. They change rapidly. At one point this season, I remember dropping Jeudy in some shallower leagues. I remember thinking: For him to matter, Cooper has to leave, and they'd have to switch to Jameis Winston at QB. There's no way both happen. Oops.

If you have any players you'd like to add, or some sell high guys, that would be great to hear as well.
 
Rice
Chances are he will be suspended next year. Maybe even half the year. I would not want to carry him that long unless I got a huge discount.
ETN
He has shown what he is and that is not an every down back. I would be hoping to trade him away and take my chances with the upcoming rookie RB class.
 
Buys:

Herbert - I'm a buyer at a QB2 price tag, even if the offense will be run first for the foreseeable future.

Warren - Injuried early in the season, but I still contend he's much better than Harris and he could be the guy in 2025 for the Steelers. I'm a buyer for 2nd pick.

Collins - I think he can make the jump to WR1 stats in 2025.

LaPorta - It wouldn't hurt to check in with his owner to see if you can buy at possible discount.
 
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Rice
Chances are he will be suspended next year. Maybe even half the year. I would not want to carry him that long unless I got a huge discount.
ETN
He has shown what he is and that is not an every down back. I would be hoping to trade him away and take my chances with the upcoming rookie RB class.
Taking the long term view:

Rice will spend 2025 recovering from his knee injury. Next year is probably already a bit of a down year. But he was looking like a top 12 WR before the injury. You buy him now, and he should be 100% back with no suspension looming come 2026.

I would also argue the suspension probably adds a little bit to the discount.
 
Buys:

Herbert - I'm a buyer at a QB2 price tag, even if the offense will be run first for the foreseeable future.

Warren - Injuried early in the season, but I still contend he's much better than Harris and he could be the guy in 2025 for the Steelers. I'm a buyer for 2nd pick.

Collins - I think he can make the jump to WR1 stats in 2025.

LaPorta - It wouldn't hurt to check in with his owner to see if you can buy at possible discount.
Collins was WR11 in PPR last year and was WR7 in average PPG this year. Missing 5 games is the only reason he's not solidly a WR1 this season.

In Superflex, I'm all in on Herbert.
 
Buys:

Herbert - I'm a buyer at a QB2 price tag, even if the offense will be run first for the foreseeable future.

Warren - Injuried early in the season, but I still contend he's much better than Harris and he could be the guy in 2025 for the Steelers. I'm a buyer for 2nd pick.

Collins - I think he can make the jump to WR1 stats in 2025.

LaPorta - It wouldn't hurt to check in with his owner to see if you can buy at possible discount.
Collins was WR11 in PPR last year and was WR7 in average PPG this year. Missing 5 games is the only reason he's not solidly a WR1 this season.

In Superflex, I'm all in on Herbert.
Agreed on that one, not sure where you're going to buy Collins "low".
 
Zay Flowers is a potential buy "kind of low" or at least at a potential reasonable cost...he's only 24 and has had a nice jump from his rookie year but he has still had some down fantasy weeks that could frustrate his current Owner (yesterday being one) which means they could be open to dealing him...if he gets a little more consistent he could be a real force...if not he's still very good.
 
Zay Flowers is a potential buy "kind of low" or at least reasonable...he's only 24 and has had a nice jump from his rookie year but he has still had some down fantasy weeks that could frustrate his current Owner (yesterday being one) which means they could be open to dealing him...if he gets a little more consistent he could be a real force...if not he's still very good.
agreed. Reminds me a lot of the Hollywood Brown situation. Floweres has the talent to be a consistent, very good WR in this league unless he stays in Baltimore.
 
Aiyuk - I think he is slow to recover next year and can probably be had for cheaper after that slow start

Sinnott - Potential for a leap next year

Anthony Richardson - Everyone is rightfully down on him. Many obvious concerns, however if he tackles this offseason with vigor he may see enough improvement that causes his ability to come closer to his upside

Laporta - We know his upside even after a sub year

Corum - Kyren historically has missed games, if that happens Corum becomes a good candidate for RB1 numbers

Jonathan Brooks - Certainly a long term play, but this stock has sunk to the level worth inquiring about
 
Buys:

Herbert - I'm a buyer at a QB2 price tag, even if the offense will be run first for the foreseeable future.

Warren - Injuried early in the season, but I still contend he's much better than Harris and he could be the guy in 2025 for the Steelers. I'm a buyer for 2nd pick.

Collins - I think he can make the jump to WR1 stats in 2025.

LaPorta - It wouldn't hurt to check in with his owner to see if you can buy at possible discount.
Collins was WR11 in PPR last year and was WR7 in average PPG this year. Missing 5 games is the only reason he's not solidly a WR1 this season.

In Superflex, I'm all in on Herbert.
Agreed on that one, not sure where you're going to buy Collins "low".

My thinking on Collins is his owner might be frustrated with injuries and not be tracking PPG metric closely.
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
Your post implies that there's never a chance to buy low? That the other owners all think the same way you do about every single player?
 
Zay Flowers is a potential buy "kind of low" or at least at a potential reasonable cost...he's only 24 and has had a nice jump from his rookie year but he has still had some down fantasy weeks that could frustrate his current Owner (yesterday being one) which means they could be open to dealing him...if he gets a little more consistent he could be a real force...if not he's still very good.
I could have traded Tyreek Hill for Flowers straight up. Only reason I didn't is because I am facing that team in the Championship. Worked out, but planning on trying to see if I can make that deal in the offseason .. would give me a core of ARSB, Collins, Flowers, JSN, McConkey, Dell and Deebo
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
Your post implies that there's never a chance to buy low? That the other owners all think the same way you do about every single player?

Nope. It's more pointing out that you've done nothing apart from posting a list of players who have seemingly underperformed. Every single one of them. Nobody who owns any of the players you list will not have noticed the reasons you list. Sure, you may be able to get them, but not necessarily at decent value unless their owner is clueless, in which case you should already be trying to trade with them early and often. Reasonable owners will recognise you are trying to buy players for cents on the dollar and tell you where to go accordingly. Give me one example of a player who you think is undervalued but has not completely **** the bed this season. That will give us one more realistic name than what you've currently offered.
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
Your post implies that there's never a chance to buy low? That the other owners all think the same way you do about every single player?

Nope. It's more pointing out that you've done nothing apart from posting a list of players who have seemingly underperformed. Every single one of them. Nobody who owns any of the players you list will not have noticed the reasons you list. Sure, you may be able to get them, but not necessarily at decent value unless their owner is clueless, in which case you should already be trying to trade with them early and often. Reasonable owners will recognise you are trying to buy players for cents on the dollar and tell you where to go accordingly. Give me one example of a player who you think is undervalued but has not completely **** the bed this season. That will give us one more realistic name than what you've currently offered.

I'm of the belief that "buy low" involves finding underperforming players that you expect to perform better in the future. That's what I did. There aren't a whole lot of players that "performed well" that their owners are looking to sell at a discount. That would be called a "buy high."

You're free to provide your own expecrt insight of players that performed well that can be had for cheap. You could even start your own thread called "Buy high players."
 
Zay Flowers is a potential buy "kind of low" or at least at a potential reasonable cost...he's only 24 and has had a nice jump from his rookie year but he has still had some down fantasy weeks that could frustrate his current Owner (yesterday being one) which means they could be open to dealing him...if he gets a little more consistent he could be a real force...if not he's still very good.
I could have traded Tyreek Hill for Flowers straight up. Only reason I didn't is because I am facing that team in the Championship. Worked out, but planning on trying to see if I can make that deal in the offseason .. would give me a core of ARSB, Collins, Flowers, JSN, McConkey, Dell and Deebo
I'd love to trade Hill at this point.

I'm not sure if it's all the wrist or what. But I'm nervous about his future and don't feel like I'll get much out of him.
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
Your post implies that there's never a chance to buy low? That the other owners all think the same way you do about every single player?

Nope. It's more pointing out that you've done nothing apart from posting a list of players who have seemingly underperformed. Every single one of them. Nobody who owns any of the players you list will not have noticed the reasons you list. Sure, you may be able to get them, but not necessarily at decent value unless their owner is clueless, in which case you should already be trying to trade with them early and often. Reasonable owners will recognise you are trying to buy players for cents on the dollar and tell you where to go accordingly. Give me one example of a player who you think is undervalued but has not completely **** the bed this season. That will give us one more realistic name than what you've currently offered.
I'm really sorry the list has offended so you badly.

I'm of the belief that "buy low" involves finding underperforming players that you expect to perform better in the future. That's what I did. There aren't a whole lot of players that "performed well" that their owners are looking to sell at a discount. That would be called a "buy high."

You're free to provide your own expecrt insight of players that performed well that can be had for cheap.

That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade. But to humour your point - Michael Mayer. Can probably be acquired for next to nothing, is naturally playing under the shadow of Brock Bowers, but the Raiders have zero in terms of wide receivers, and the chances of them having a decent QB upgrade in the draft are non-zero, which may leave enough targets in 12 personnel for both TEs to be fantasy viable in a Gronk/Hernandez sort of situation
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
Your post implies that there's never a chance to buy low? That the other owners all think the same way you do about every single player?

Nope. It's more pointing out that you've done nothing apart from posting a list of players who have seemingly underperformed. Every single one of them. Nobody who owns any of the players you list will not have noticed the reasons you list. Sure, you may be able to get them, but not necessarily at decent value unless their owner is clueless, in which case you should already be trying to trade with them early and often. Reasonable owners will recognise you are trying to buy players for cents on the dollar and tell you where to go accordingly. Give me one example of a player who you think is undervalued but has not completely **** the bed this season. That will give us one more realistic name than what you've currently offered.
I'm really sorry the list has offended so you badly.

I'm of the belief that "buy low" involves finding underperforming players that you expect to perform better in the future. That's what I did. There aren't a whole lot of players that "performed well" that their owners are looking to sell at a discount. That would be called a "buy high."

You're free to provide your own expecrt insight of players that performed well that can be had for cheap.

That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade. But to humour your point - Michael Mayer. Can probably be acquired for next to nothing, is naturally playing under the shadow of Brock Bowers, but the Raiders have zero in terms of wide receivers, and the chances of them having a decent QB upgrade in the draft are non-zero, which may leave enough targets in 12 personnel for both TEs to be fantasy viable in a Gronk/Hernandez sort of situation
You keep implying that EVERYONE thinks about EVERY PLAYER the exact same way.

There's a guy in this thread saying "I'm not buying Pittman because of Richardson."

There's a guy in this thread saying "I'm not buying Rice because of the injury and the looming suspension."

So, you're wrong. There are people in this very thread saying "I don't see those players bouncing back as strongly as you do."

There are owners across the thousands or tens of thousands of dynasty leagues thinking: "Man, I need to get rid of Pittman before I can't get anything for him." Happens every year. If you don't want to discuss those underperforming players, by all means, don't.
 
In Superflex, I'm all in on Herbert.
Same here - unfortunately the team's preferred run-heavy approach and slow pace may cap his ceiling, but he's such a dynamite passer that his floor should be pretty high regardless.
Big fan of Herbert - yes they are run 1st but hes young, solid, good coaching and gets solid pts per game to count on - team likely to add more WR firepower.....Ill take him over sexier higher upside picks like Arich or Pennix.
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
Your post implies that there's never a chance to buy low? That the other owners all think the same way you do about every single player?

Nope. It's more pointing out that you've done nothing apart from posting a list of players who have seemingly underperformed. Every single one of them. Nobody who owns any of the players you list will not have noticed the reasons you list. Sure, you may be able to get them, but not necessarily at decent value unless their owner is clueless, in which case you should already be trying to trade with them early and often. Reasonable owners will recognise you are trying to buy players for cents on the dollar and tell you where to go accordingly. Give me one example of a player who you think is undervalued but has not completely **** the bed this season. That will give us one more realistic name than what you've currently offered.
I'm really sorry the list has offended so you badly.

I'm of the belief that "buy low" involves finding underperforming players that you expect to perform better in the future. That's what I did. There aren't a whole lot of players that "performed well" that their owners are looking to sell at a discount. That would be called a "buy high."

You're free to provide your own expecrt insight of players that performed well that can be had for cheap.

That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade. But to humour your point - Michael Mayer. Can probably be acquired for next to nothing, is naturally playing under the shadow of Brock Bowers, but the Raiders have zero in terms of wide receivers, and the chances of them having a decent QB upgrade in the draft are non-zero, which may leave enough targets in 12 personnel for both TEs to be fantasy viable in a Gronk/Hernandez sort of situation
Michael Mayer ????
He didn't do anything before Bowers got there. I can't see him doing anything going forward unless Bowers is injured.
 
That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade

That’s not true. You’re being too much of a stickler, which I’ve found on message boards is true of Brits. This is why it isn’t true: If I had Waddle, who I’ve never been sold on, I’d be selling him for three-quarters on the dollar because I never believed I had a dollar in the first place.

Price is where seller and buyer agree, nothing more. Didn’t you learn your Austrian economics? Never mind, you guys had Keynes.

Just in case you want to quibble:

Price Determination​

The Austrian school holds that prices are determined by subjective factors like an individual's preference to buy or not to buy a particular good, whereas the classical school of economics holds that objective costs of production determine the price and the neoclassical school holds that prices are determined by the equilibrium of demand and supply.2

The Austrian school rejects both the classical and neoclassical views by saying costs of production are also determined by subjective factors based on the value of alternative uses of scarce resources, and the equilibrium of demand and supply is also determined by subjective individual preferences.

eta* titus, I like your contributions to the boards. Consider this a bit in jest, a bit in truth.
 
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That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade

That’s not true. You’re being too much of a stickler, which I’ve found on message boards is true of Brits. This is why it isn’t true: If I had Waddle, who I’ve never been sold on, I’d be selling him for three-quarters on the dollar because I never believed I had a dollar in the first place.

Price is where seller and buyer agree, nothing more. Didn’t you learn your Austrian economics? Never mind, you guys had Keynes.

Just in case you want to quibble:

Price Determination​

The Austrian school holds that prices are determined by subjective factors like an individual's preference to buy or not to buy a particular good, whereas the classical school of economics holds that objective costs of production determine the price and the neoclassical school holds that prices are determined by the equilibrium of demand and supply.2

The Austrian school rejects both the classical and neoclassical views by saying costs of production are also determined by subjective factors based on the value of alternative uses of scarce resources, and the equilibrium of demand and supply is also determined by subjective individual preferences.

eta* titus, I like your contributions to the boards. Consider this a bit in jest, a bit in truth.
What would Paul Hogan do? RIP
 
With the season quickly approaching, I thought it was a perfect time to look into this.

Who is a value?
Who do you want to get rid of?

Buy low:
Waddle. Owners have to be frustrated. He had 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons before this year. Tua's injury definitely hurt. He hasn't been quite as good even with Tua
Michael Pittman Jr. Just a brutal season for such a talented WR. He's only 27. Either Richardson takes the jump or they have to move on at QB.
Rashee Rice: Between injuries and Worthy's good play, people are surely a little down. He was SO good at the start of the season. I'd at least see what the price is. Buying high now=buying low tomorrow
DJ Moore: We know what he is. Caleb will be better. Owners have to be frustrated
Aiyuk: I thought he was way overvalued going into this year. I'm hoping we're seeing an overcorrection. Between poor play and injuries: he should be discounted a lot.

ETN: Between injury and Bigsby, it hasn't been his year. He's had back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons (granted last year was also very inefficient). He may have to wind up elsewhere. But I have to imagine the price is way down.

Who ya got?
Dont like your buy low list at all. Might even be my sell low list. Waddle might have the most upside there especially if Hill moves on.

I am the biggest Pittman fan out there, but I just dont see this changing next year unless they really drill it into Richardson to feed him, but even then I think Richardson lives for the second he exists in.
Thanks for that feedback.

To me, we're looking for players that we know have the talent--who currently have their value suppressed.
Which their owners will also know.
Your post implies that there's never a chance to buy low? That the other owners all think the same way you do about every single player?

Nope. It's more pointing out that you've done nothing apart from posting a list of players who have seemingly underperformed. Every single one of them. Nobody who owns any of the players you list will not have noticed the reasons you list. Sure, you may be able to get them, but not necessarily at decent value unless their owner is clueless, in which case you should already be trying to trade with them early and often. Reasonable owners will recognise you are trying to buy players for cents on the dollar and tell you where to go accordingly. Give me one example of a player who you think is undervalued but has not completely **** the bed this season. That will give us one more realistic name than what you've currently offered.
I'm really sorry the list has offended so you badly.

I'm of the belief that "buy low" involves finding underperforming players that you expect to perform better in the future. That's what I did. There aren't a whole lot of players that "performed well" that their owners are looking to sell at a discount. That would be called a "buy high."

You're free to provide your own expecrt insight of players that performed well that can be had for cheap.

That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade. But to humour your point - Michael Mayer. Can probably be acquired for next to nothing, is naturally playing under the shadow of Brock Bowers, but the Raiders have zero in terms of wide receivers, and the chances of them having a decent QB upgrade in the draft are non-zero, which may leave enough targets in 12 personnel for both TEs to be fantasy viable in a Gronk/Hernandez sort of situatio
Michael Mayer ????
He didn't do anything before Bowers got there. I can't see him doing anything going forward unless Bowers is injured.
Bowers takes almost half of his snaps in the slot. I'd expect that percentage to go up next season unless the Raiders make a huge splash in free agency and the draft (doubtful). Mayer will get a ton of snaps inline. It's also notable that traditionally TEs take more time to get accustomed to the pro game. Dude was taken in the 2nd round for a reason. He's got both blocking and receiving talent. He is the definition of a buy low target right now.
 
That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade

That’s not true. You’re being too much of a stickler, which I’ve found on message boards is true of Brits. This is why it isn’t true: If I had Waddle, who I’ve never been sold on, I’d be selling him for three-quarters on the dollar because I never believed I had a dollar in the first place.

Price is where seller and buyer agree, nothing more. Didn’t you learn your Austrian economics? Never mind, you guys had Keynes.

Just in case you want to quibble:

Price Determination​

The Austrian school holds that prices are determined by subjective factors like an individual's preference to buy or not to buy a particular good, whereas the classical school of economics holds that objective costs of production determine the price and the neoclassical school holds that prices are determined by the equilibrium of demand and supply.2

The Austrian school rejects both the classical and neoclassical views by saying costs of production are also determined by subjective factors based on the value of alternative uses of scarce resources, and the equilibrium of demand and supply is also determined by subjective individual preferences.

eta* titus, I like your contributions to the boards. Consider this a bit in jest, a bit in truth.

Wow. Funny, because on this board I see a hell of a lot of arguing often stemming from an initial wording of a statement that results in a long back and forth argument where I just read it and laugh at how utterly ridiculous people are being because they’ve become embroiled in absolute semantics and refuse to back down. Always American 😂 ( and not aimed at you specifically ).

I’d be amazed if you can parse down a country or region into being more prone to a single posting characteristic, personally, I think it’s just very individually personality specific and in all my years posting on various message boards with people from all across the world, I don’t think I’ve ever sensed such a thing as you suggest.
 
That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade

That’s not true. You’re being too much of a stickler, which I’ve found on message boards is true of Brits. This is why it isn’t true: If I had Waddle, who I’ve never been sold on, I’d be selling him for three-quarters on the dollar because I never believed I had a dollar in the first place.

Price is where seller and buyer agree, nothing more. Didn’t you learn your Austrian economics? Never mind, you guys had Keynes.

Just in case you want to quibble:

Price Determination​

The Austrian school holds that prices are determined by subjective factors like an individual's preference to buy or not to buy a particular good, whereas the classical school of economics holds that objective costs of production determine the price and the neoclassical school holds that prices are determined by the equilibrium of demand and supply.2

The Austrian school rejects both the classical and neoclassical views by saying costs of production are also determined by subjective factors based on the value of alternative uses of scarce resources, and the equilibrium of demand and supply is also determined by subjective individual preferences.

eta* titus, I like your contributions to the boards. Consider this a bit in jest, a bit in truth.

Wow. Funny, because on this board I see a hell of a lot of arguing often stemming from an initial wording of a statement that results in a long back and forth argument where I just read it and laugh at how utterly ridiculous people are being because they’ve become embroiled in absolute semantics and refuse to back down. Always American 😂 ( and not aimed at you specifically ).

I’d be amazed if you can parse down a country or region into being more prone to a single posting characteristic, personally, I think it’s just very individually personality specific and in all my years posting on various message boards with people from all across the world, I don’t think I’ve ever sensed such a thing as you suggest.

Fair enough. It was more of a joke than anything, but on the Steve Hoffman Forums I find definitions and semantics mattering much more to the English or U.K. guys, so maybe that’s just that particular forum. It also has to do with idiom and sarcasm. Something is lost across the ocean, I’ve found.

And I’m not saying Brits are more contentious. I’m talking sticklerism. “One who insists on exactness or completeness in observance of something” - Merriam Webster

I’ve found it heavily among that contingent, and it’s not because they’re more argumentative people. It’s a national personality of exactitude mixed with two very different ways of expressing one’s self idiomatically and in tone that causes it.

Please do not mistake this a shot at British folks. I happen to get along better with them over at the other Forums. They tend to like experimental/indie/rock artists more than your average American.
 
And we have veered way left. I shouldn’t have brought that up at all. It’s not a disparagement, but I should know better.
 
To me Chubba Hubbard is a good guy to try and buy. You don’t the owners feelings on the Brooks situation and it just seems that Hubbard is criminally underrated.
 
That is fine - the trouble is, and I repeat, that you are only listing players that anyone with half a brain cell on the other side will be thinking the exact same thing about, so at best you can expect a neutral value trade, which is not really what we are wanting to do with a trade

That’s not true. You’re being too much of a stickler, which I’ve found on message boards is true of Brits. This is why it isn’t true: If I had Waddle, who I’ve never been sold on, I’d be selling him for three-quarters on the dollar because I never believed I had a dollar in the first place.

Price is where seller and buyer agree, nothing more. Didn’t you learn your Austrian economics? Never mind, you guys had Keynes.

Just in case you want to quibble:

Price Determination​

The Austrian school holds that prices are determined by subjective factors like an individual's preference to buy or not to buy a particular good, whereas the classical school of economics holds that objective costs of production determine the price and the neoclassical school holds that prices are determined by the equilibrium of demand and supply.2

The Austrian school rejects both the classical and neoclassical views by saying costs of production are also determined by subjective factors based on the value of alternative uses of scarce resources, and the equilibrium of demand and supply is also determined by subjective individual preferences.

eta* titus, I like your contributions to the boards. Consider this a bit in jest, a bit in truth.

Wow. Funny, because on this board I see a hell of a lot of arguing often stemming from an initial wording of a statement that results in a long back and forth argument where I just read it and laugh at how utterly ridiculous people are being because they’ve become embroiled in absolute semantics and refuse to back down. Always American 😂 ( and not aimed at you specifically ).

I’d be amazed if you can parse down a country or region into being more prone to a single posting characteristic, personally, I think it’s just very individually personality specific and in all my years posting on various message boards with people from all across the world, I don’t think I’ve ever sensed such a thing as you suggest.

Fair enough. It was more of a joke than anything, but on the Steve Hoffman Forums I find definitions and semantics mattering much more to the English or U.K. guys, so maybe that’s just that particular forum. It also has to do with idiom and sarcasm. Something is lost across the ocean, I’ve found.

And I’m not saying Brits are more contentious. I’m talking sticklerism. “One who insists on exactness or completeness in observance of something” - Merriam Webster

I’ve found it heavily among that contingent, and it’s not because they’re more argumentative people. It’s a national personality of exactitude mixed with two very different ways of expressing one’s self idiomatically and in tone that causes it.

Please do not mistake this a shot at British folks. I happen to get along better with them over at the other Forums. They tend to like experimental/indie/rock artists more than your average American.

It’s all good pal, I didn’t really take offence, was more of a light hearted rebuttal, I just… insert commonly used idiom… couldn’t fully get my head around it 😉. Seriously for a second though, your response and expanded explanation makes more sense
 
To me Chubba Hubbard is a good guy to try and buy. You don’t the owners feelings on the Brooks situation and it just seems that Hubbard is criminally underrated.
Hubbard reeks of a 1 year wonder to me. With the exception of this year, his stats have been downright pedestrian. I'd be looking to sell high.
 
To me Chubba Hubbard is a good guy to try and buy. You don’t the owners feelings on the Brooks situation and it just seems that Hubbard is criminally underrated.

I would think that his value will never be higher then right now after a very good year, a shiny new contract and Brooks going down...not saying to not trade for him but he will almost certainly be a buy high.
 
To me Chubba Hubbard is a good guy to try and buy. You don’t the owners feelings on the Brooks situation and it just seems that Hubbard is criminally underrated.

I would think that his value will never be higher then right now after a very good year, a shiny new contract and Brooks going down...not saying to not trade for him but he will almost certainly be a buy high.
I agree with this. The only buying advantage would be if the holder is concerned about Brooks returning to health and wants to exit to get something for him before that occurs. Even with that, the price may be too steep to be considered a value play.
 
..Ill take him over sexier higher upside picks like Arich or Pennix
You’re right of course but as a penix owner, even though I’m rebuilding, I’m not even offering that deal as I assume it would be laughed at.
In SF, I think Caleb for Herbert is much more debatable.
Or do I value Herbert too high?
 
To me Chubba Hubbard is a good guy to try and buy. You don’t the owners feelings on the Brooks situation and it just seems that Hubbard is criminally underrated.
Hubbard reeks of a 1 year wonder to me. With the exception of this year, his stats have been downright pedestrian. I'd be looking to sell high.
Agreed but Hubbard is exactly the kind of player to target if you see things differently.
I’d prefer to target his teammate, Coker. But that might be a “buy high” situation.
 
..Ill take him over sexier higher upside picks like Arich or Pennix
You’re right of course but as a penix owner, even though I’m rebuilding, I’m not even offering that deal as I assume it would be laughed at.
In SF, I think Caleb for Herbert is much more debatable.
Or do I value Herbert too high?
I wouldnt deal Herbert for Caleb.....Id have Herbert right around/outside top 10. If they get him another solid WR watch him take off next year
 
Buy JJ McCarthy. Might be a few people who think that KOC won’t give him the keys to the Ferria next season.
I just picked him up off waivers in my keeper league a few days ago. With some expected QB openings and weakish rookie crop, I think a few teams are going to throw a boatload of cash his way.
 
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Buy JJ McCarthy. Might be a few people who think that KOC won’t give him the keys to the Ferria next season.
I just picked him up off waivers in my keeper league a few days ago. With some expected QB openings and weakish rookie crop, I think a few teams are going to throw a boatload of cash his way.
Throw a boat load of cash at a 2nd year QB on his rookie contract?
Or do you mean Darnold?
 
Buy JJ McCarthy. Might be a few people who think that KOC won’t give him the keys to the Ferria next season.
I just picked him up off waivers in my keeper league a few days ago. With some expected QB openings and weakish rookie crop, I think a few teams are going to throw a boatload of cash his way.
Throw a boat load of cash at a 2nd year QB on his rookie contract?
Or do you mean Darnold?
I meant Darnold - my bad.
 
Buy Lows:

JWarren - Could be an RB1 next year.
JMason - Free agent, RB1 somewhere else (Cincy?) or potential starter in SF depending on CMC
TSpears - Really love this kids talent, finally healthy and showing his potential .. Has more juice than Pollard
RPearsal - Might be a WR2 in SF with Deebo and Ayuik up in the air
SLaPorta - Bounce back candidate .. Great player in a superb offense .. TE position has also been a wasteland which further increases his value.
 
I'm still a believer in Breece Hall's talent so he could be a buy low candidate.

I don't own Saquon Barkley anywhere, but I would consider selling him high if I did.
 
Buy JJ McCarthy. Might be a few people who think that KOC won’t give him the keys to the Ferria next season.
Price tag? Most got and held him for a mid 1st.
About a month to month and a half ago I was offered JJ McCarthy and Bucky Irvin for my Mahomes .. passed but kind wondering if I should go back and explore that deal. In the Ship this week and have Daniels.
I think Mahomes is a buy low. No one can question his talent. He has a QB1 season left in him.
 

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