Dynasty: Donte Moncrief (1 Viewer)

[King of the Jungle]

TY goes down and he catches 4 of 5 for 55. Is this the last of him being undervalued with one of the best young QB's in the game? Nicks appears to be nothing special and Wayne is knocking on heavens door. He doesn't seem to be getting too much love in dynasty circles compared to many other rookies and he seems to be in the best position.

Any thoughts on him as a player and his chances of becoming one of Luck's favorite targets?

 

[EBF]

Definitely a good buy target if you can get him for the equivalent of an early 2nd. Looks to be a pretty decent player and the situation is golden.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Please delete....did not see other thread

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

Outdated rankings?

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

Outdated rankings?

Unfortunately no. This is the consensus from July 15th through August 4th. One writer even rated him #23 just three days ago! It's madness.

 

[jurb26]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

Outdated rankings?

Unfortunately no. This is the consensus from July 15th through August 4th. One writer even rated him #23 just three days ago! It's madness.

WR23... OMG?

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

Outdated rankings?

Unfortunately no. This is the consensus from July 15th through August 4th. One writer even rated him #23 just three days ago! It's madness.

WR23... OMG?

Yeah, that would be Mr. Daniel Simpkins. He has some explaining to do.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/staff/bio.php?staffid=168

 

[saintfool]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

i'm not ready to relegate Moncrief to the fixed role of #4 WR in the offense. They're going all-in there with the offense. Johnson doesn't have the long-speed he used to. I think he's going to live on those medium and underneath routes. I'm keen to see what the offense looks like with all of the WRs used. At worst, Moncrief is a hold.

 

[jtd13]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

i'm not ready to relegate Moncrief to the fixed role of #4 WR in the offense. They're going all-in there with the offense. Johnson doesn't have the long-speed he used to. I think he's going to live on those medium and underneath routes. I'm keen to see what the offense looks like with all of the WRs used. At worst, Moncrief is a hold.

I've seen a couple camp reports that say Moncrief is clearly ahead of Dorsett for the number 3 job. Obviously opening day is a ways off, but it sounds like he looks good. That said, WR23 is crazy.

Here's one of the reports I saw:

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2015/8/5/9098897/stampede-blue-tweetbag-answering-your-colts-training-camp-questions-anderson-carter-moncrief-dorsett

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Tracking FBGs dynasty WR rankings over the past 35 days still has Moncrief at WR 31. My question is, why? It looks like the Colts brought in Andre Johnson to play over him, and they also drafted a WR in the first round of the draft (Phillip Dorsett). Yet this guy's dynasty ranking remains sky high. What am I missing?

He's currently rated ahead of Brandon Marshall, John brown, victor cruz, Charles Johnson, and both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett (plus many, many others I would rather have than him). I'm just not seeing it. Enlighten me.

Dynasty rankings I'd have no issue with him at WR31 at all. Not talking a franchise fantasy WR. I don't see there's a big difference from being WR31 or WR51.

He just turned 22 today. Andre won't be there more than a couple years. At which point he'll still be younger than all the other aforementioned WRs are today. And I presume Luck will still be a Colt.

Seems like a pretty fair dynasty ranking to me. I personally don't see 2 5'10'' and under WRs with similar skill sets being the WR1&2 in Indy long term. I don't think Fleener is in the long term plans there so the WR3 there should be closer to fantasy relevancy.

 

[saintfool]

i think Moncrief is very capable and talented. He's just in a messy situation that hurts his current value. He's going to get opportunities in that offense which I liken to Green Bay's in terms of what they are building. However, it's impossible to predict what numbers will generated in its 1st year.

 

[Daniel Simpkins]

Hi Gentleman,

I appreciate Bijan’s invitation to explain my dynasty ranking of Moncrief at #23.

This is a perfect case to illustrate where rankings often fall short. Without the overarching strategy of the ranker, some of these calls look absolutely nuts. So here’s some context. Dynasty is a format where you need to price in future value. If you play dynasty like you play redraft, you’ll eventually end up with a sorry team that is depleted of resources. This is why I don’t take a “win now” approach when playing dynasty. I also don’t take a “3 year window” approach. My approach is to build dynasty teams around the WR position. You’ll see I held true to those principles if you look at my recent team in this dynasty mock draft. There are a lot of reasons for why that is, but in a nutshell:

• WRs tend to have longer, more productive careers than any other position
• WRs tend to hold their value the best over time
• WRs are the most scare of all the positions (more on positional scarcity here)

Moncrief is one of my favorites. He was drafted highly last year, he has awesome measurables, and he’s next in line to fill the Wayne/Johnson role in the high-powered Colts offense. Don’t get too bogged down in the current situation, because talent will eventually trump situation. This is the time to be buying Moncrief. He’s an Andre Johnson injury or retirement away from being the top WR in that offense. Yes, I think this is true even if Hilton gets extended.

My friend and fellow Footballguy Chad Parsons runs a dynasty website at UTHDynasty.com. He’s got some great stuff over there on taking this approach in dynasty formats. I highly encourage you to subscribe if you want to learn some alternate ways of thinking about playing dynasty. I’ve learned a lot sitting at his feet.

Hope all of you have a great season!

 

[KCBuc]

The rumors of TY leaving after the season for bigger coin, and Johnson getting older plays into a hold (at least for me) in a dynasty league. Phillips and Moncrief could be #1 and #2 next year.If Johnson wins a ring, I could see him happily riding off into the sunset.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Hi Gentleman,

I appreciate Bijans invitation to explain my dynasty ranking of Moncrief at #23.

This is a perfect case to illustrate where rankings often fall short. Without the overarching strategy of the ranker, some of these calls look absolutely nuts. So heres some context. Dynasty is a format where you need to price in future value. If you play dynasty like you play redraft, youll eventually end up with a sorry team that is depleted of resources. This is why I dont take a win now approach when playing dynasty. I also dont take a 3 year window approach. My approach is to build dynasty teams around the WR position. Youll see I held true to those principles if you look at my recent team in this dynasty mock draft. There are a lot of reasons for why that is, but in a nutshell:

• WRs tend to have longer, more productive careers than any other position
• WRs tend to hold their value the best over time
• WRs are the most scare of all the positions (more on positional scarcity here)

Moncrief is one of my favorites. He was drafted highly last year, he has awesome measurables, and hes next in line to fill the Wayne/Johnson role in the high-powered Colts offense. Dont get too bogged down in the current situation, because talent will eventually trump situation. This is the time to be buying Moncrief. Hes an Andre Johnson injury or retirement away from being the top WR in that offense. Yes, I think this is true even if Hilton gets extended.

My friend and fellow Footballguy Chad Parsons runs a dynasty website at UTHDynasty.com. Hes got some great stuff over there on taking this approach in dynasty formats. I highly encourage you to subscribe if you want to learn some alternate ways of thinking about playing dynasty. Ive learned a lot sitting at his feet.

Hope all of you have a great season!

Hi Daniel: thanks for sharing your perspective on Moncrief. Who would you compare him to in terms of opportunity? Davante Adams? Ty Montgomery?

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

He may have elite measures, but I don't think he's close to elite at catching the football. The elite guys can already catch. If they are bringing in a 34 year old wideout AND still drafting WR in the early rounds, I don't think that says much for their confidence that he can be the top (or second) option...

 

[TheFanatic]

He may have elite measures, but I don't think he's close to elite at catching the football. The elite guys can already catch. If they are bringing in a 34 year old wideout AND still drafting WR in the early rounds, I don't think that says much for their confidence that he can be the top (or second) option...

Right. While the coaches aren't verbally saying they don't think that highly of Monrcrief, they are screaming it from the hilltops with these moves. Drafting a WR in the first with all their holes on D speaks volumes about what they think of Moncrief.

 

[JohnnyU]

Hi Gentleman,

I appreciate Bijans invitation to explain my dynasty ranking of Moncrief at #23.

This is a perfect case to illustrate where rankings often fall short. Without the overarching strategy of the ranker, some of these calls look absolutely nuts. So heres some context. Dynasty is a format where you need to price in future value. If you play dynasty like you play redraft, youll eventually end up with a sorry team that is depleted of resources. This is why I dont take a win now approach when playing dynasty. I also dont take a 3 year window approach. My approach is to build dynasty teams around the WR position. Youll see I held true to those principles if you look at my recent team in this dynasty mock draft. There are a lot of reasons for why that is, but in a nutshell:

• WRs tend to have longer, more productive careers than any other position
• WRs tend to hold their value the best over time
• WRs are the most scare of all the positions (more on positional scarcity here)

Moncrief is one of my favorites. He was drafted highly last year, he has awesome measurables, and hes next in line to fill the Wayne/Johnson role in the high-powered Colts offense. Dont get too bogged down in the current situation, because talent will eventually trump situation. This is the time to be buying Moncrief. Hes an Andre Johnson injury or retirement away from being the top WR in that offense. Yes, I think this is true even if Hilton gets extended.

My friend and fellow Footballguy Chad Parsons runs a dynasty website at UTHDynasty.com. Hes got some great stuff over there on taking this approach in dynasty formats. I highly encourage you to subscribe if you want to learn some alternate ways of thinking about playing dynasty. Ive learned a lot sitting at his feet.

Hope all of you have a great season!

Hi Daniel: thanks for sharing your perspective on Moncrief. Who would you compare him to in terms of opportunity? Davante Adams? Ty Montgomery?

Perhaps Adams, but no way on Montgomery. Moncrief is a lot better than him.

 

[JohnnyU]

He may have elite measures, but I don't think he's close to elite at catching the football. The elite guys can already catch. If they are bringing in a 34 year old wideout AND still drafting WR in the early rounds, I don't think that says much for their confidence that he can be the top (or second) option...

Right. While the coaches aren't verbally saying they don't think that highly of Monrcrief, they are screaming it from the hilltops with these moves. Drafting a WR in the first with all their holes on D speaks volumes about what they think of Moncrief.

I disagree. They drafted Dorsett because he was too good (in their minds) to pass on. It had nothing to do with Moncrief's ability, because they also have Johnson, Hilton, and Duron Carter who was on the list of other teams that the Colts beat out for his services. Not to mention two capable TEs.

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

Hi Gentleman,

I appreciate Bijan’s invitation to explain my dynasty ranking of Moncrief at #23.

This is a perfect case to illustrate where rankings often fall short. Without the overarching strategy of the ranker, some of these calls look absolutely nuts. So here’s some context. Dynasty is a format where you need to price in future value. If you play dynasty like you play redraft, you’ll eventually end up with a sorry team that is depleted of resources. This is why I don’t take a “win now” approach when playing dynasty. I also don’t take a “3 year window” approach. My approach is to build dynasty teams around the WR position. You’ll see I held true to those principles if you look at my recent team in this dynasty mock draft. There are a lot of reasons for why that is, but in a nutshell:

• WRs tend to have longer, more productive careers than any other position
• WRs tend to hold their value the best over time
• WRs are the most scare of all the positions (more on positional scarcity here)

Moncrief is one of my favorites. He was drafted highly last year, he has awesome measurables, and he’s next in line to fill the Wayne/Johnson role in the high-powered Colts offense. Don’t get too bogged down in the current situation, because talent will eventually trump situation. This is the time to be buying Moncrief. He’s an Andre Johnson injury or retirement away from being the top WR in that offense. Yes, I think this is true even if Hilton gets extended.

My friend and fellow Footballguy Chad Parsons runs a dynasty website at UTHDynasty.com. He’s got some great stuff over there on taking this approach in dynasty formats. I highly encourage you to subscribe if you want to learn some alternate ways of thinking about playing dynasty. I’ve learned a lot sitting at his feet.

Hope all of you have a great season!

Thank you for this explanation Daniel. I guess my followup would be along the lines of everyone else here. How do you reconcile your faith in Moncrief with the moves of the organization during the offseason?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

People keep claiming that he can't catch, but from what we have seen so far the numbers don't lie and this can't catch non sense is so far made up. It is a small sample size, but if you look at Moncrief's measureables and who he should be compared to with other outside stud WR's his numbers show he is catching the ball just fine.

D. Thomas: 111 receptions of 184 targets. Catch percentage 60%, Yards per reception 14.6 (Manning had a 66% completion percentage)

D. Bryant: 88 receptions of 136 targets: Catch percentage 64%, Yards per reception 15.0 yards per reception (Romo had a 70% completion percentage)

J. Nelson: 98 receptions of 151 targets: Catch percentage 65%, Yards per reception 15.5 yards per reception (Rogers had a 65% completion percentage)

Julio Jones: 104 receptions of 163 targets: Catch percentage 64%, Yards per reception 15.3. (Ryan had a 66% completion percentage)

Calvin Johnson: 71 receptions of 128 targets: Catch percentage 55%, Yards per reception 15.2 (Stafford had a 60% completion percentage)

Moncrief: 32 receptions on 49 targets: Catch percentage 65%, yards per reception 13.9 (Luck has a 61% completion percentage)

So you can claim his hands are awful, or he is not great at catching the ball, but the numbers don't seem to support this thus far. Moncrief is a hold at the present time. He was a raw coming out of college, Andre was brought in short term as they have a team that can win now, but with Luck they will be winning later as well. Moncrief's time is coming.

 

[Daniel Simpkins]

Hi Gentleman,

I appreciate Bijans invitation to explain my dynasty ranking of Moncrief at #23.

This is a perfect case to illustrate where rankings often fall short. Without the overarching strategy of the ranker, some of these calls look absolutely nuts. So heres some context. Dynasty is a format where you need to price in future value. If you play dynasty like you play redraft, youll eventually end up with a sorry team that is depleted of resources. This is why I dont take a win now approach when playing dynasty. I also dont take a 3 year window approach. My approach is to build dynasty teams around the WR position. Youll see I held true to those principles if you look at my recent team in this dynasty mock draft. There are a lot of reasons for why that is, but in a nutshell:

• WRs tend to have longer, more productive careers than any other position
• WRs tend to hold their value the best over time
• WRs are the most scare of all the positions (more on positional scarcity here)

Moncrief is one of my favorites. He was drafted highly last year, he has awesome measurables, and hes next in line to fill the Wayne/Johnson role in the high-powered Colts offense. Dont get too bogged down in the current situation, because talent will eventually trump situation. This is the time to be buying Moncrief. Hes an Andre Johnson injury or retirement away from being the top WR in that offense. Yes, I think this is true even if Hilton gets extended.

My friend and fellow Footballguy Chad Parsons runs a dynasty website at UTHDynasty.com. Hes got some great stuff over there on taking this approach in dynasty formats. I highly encourage you to subscribe if you want to learn some alternate ways of thinking about playing dynasty. Ive learned a lot sitting at his feet.

Hope all of you have a great season!

Hi Daniel: thanks for sharing your perspective on Moncrief. Who would you compare him to in terms of opportunity? Davante Adams? Ty Montgomery?

He compares favorably to Devante Adams, in that Adams is also stuck behind two very talented guys, but is one injury away from making a huge splash. The metrics also like Adams. The Packers used a high pick on Adams (2nd rounder). A lot of similarities between the two.

 

[saintfool]

He may have elite measures, but I don't think he's close to elite at catching the football. The elite guys can already catch. If they are bringing in a 34 year old wideout AND still drafting WR in the early rounds, I don't think that says much for their confidence that he can be the top (or second) option...

Right. While the coaches aren't verbally saying they don't think that highly of Monrcrief, they are screaming it from the hilltops with these moves. Drafting a WR in the first with all their holes on D speaks volumes about what they think of Moncrief.

i think adding Johnson is about the post-season and mentoring a very young team. Dorsett adds another dimension to the offense, is a different WR than Moncrief and serves as a kind of insurance for TY's possible departure. i think these moves don't change their opinion of an emerging talent.

 

[Daniel Simpkins]

Hi Gentleman,

I appreciate Bijan’s invitation to explain my dynasty ranking of Moncrief at #23.

This is a perfect case to illustrate where rankings often fall short. Without the overarching strategy of the ranker, some of these calls look absolutely nuts. So here’s some context. Dynasty is a format where you need to price in future value. If you play dynasty like you play redraft, you’ll eventually end up with a sorry team that is depleted of resources. This is why I don’t take a “win now” approach when playing dynasty. I also don’t take a “3 year window” approach. My approach is to build dynasty teams around the WR position. You’ll see I held true to those principles if you look at my recent team in this dynasty mock draft. There are a lot of reasons for why that is, but in a nutshell:

• WRs tend to have longer, more productive careers than any other position
• WRs tend to hold their value the best over time
• WRs are the most scare of all the positions (more on positional scarcity here)

Moncrief is one of my favorites. He was drafted highly last year, he has awesome measurables, and he’s next in line to fill the Wayne/Johnson role in the high-powered Colts offense. Don’t get too bogged down in the current situation, because talent will eventually trump situation. This is the time to be buying Moncrief. He’s an Andre Johnson injury or retirement away from being the top WR in that offense. Yes, I think this is true even if Hilton gets extended.

My friend and fellow Footballguy Chad Parsons runs a dynasty website at UTHDynasty.com. He’s got some great stuff over there on taking this approach in dynasty formats. I highly encourage you to subscribe if you want to learn some alternate ways of thinking about playing dynasty. I’ve learned a lot sitting at his feet.

Hope all of you have a great season!

Thank you for this explanation Daniel. I guess my followup be along the lines of everyone else here. How do you reconcile your faith in Moncrief with the moves of the organization during the offseason?

If you do something really well, why not get even better at it? I think that's what the Colts had in mind when they took Dorsett in the first and picked up Carter in the offseason. In so doing, they'll have unrivaled depth and skill at the position. Defending their passing game is going to be a nightmare, which is why I'm so high on Luck this year. Picking up additional talent at a position isn't always an indictment against the talent you have on the roster. Sometimes, you go best player available, even when you feel you are stacked at that position.

It also helps if you think about this situation in terms of roles rather than who is ahead of whom on the depth chart. Dorsett isn't going to play the Andre Johnson role-- he'll be more in the mold of TY Hilton. Moncrief's role will be more in line with what Johnson will be doing now. If anyone challenges Moncrief, it will be Duron Carter, and I'm not really worried about him. He doesn't have the draft pedigree, for one thing. Carter has also bounced between trying out at the NFL level and playing in the CFL since he came out in 2013. He's not the athlete Moncrief is, either. He's merely quality depth for the Colts.

I'm going to spend the rest of the day working on some great subscriber content for you guys, so I likely won't chime in again. Thanks again for including me in your discussion!

 

[TheFanatic]

He may have elite measures, but I don't think he's close to elite at catching the football. The elite guys can already catch. If they are bringing in a 34 year old wideout AND still drafting WR in the early rounds, I don't think that says much for their confidence that he can be the top (or second) option...

Right. While the coaches aren't verbally saying they don't think that highly of Monrcrief, they are screaming it from the hilltops with these moves. Drafting a WR in the first with all their holes on D speaks volumes about what they think of Moncrief.

i think adding Johnson is about the post-season and mentoring a very young team. Dorsett adds another dimension to the offense, is a different WR than Moncrief and serves as a kind of insurance for TY's possible departure. i think these moves don't change their opinion of an emerging talent.

True. Dorsett might actually be more of a threat to TY than Moncrief.

 

[TheFanatic]

He may have elite measures, but I don't think he's close to elite at catching the football. The elite guys can already catch. If they are bringing in a 34 year old wideout AND still drafting WR in the early rounds, I don't think that says much for their confidence that he can be the top (or second) option...

Right. While the coaches aren't verbally saying they don't think that highly of Monrcrief, they are screaming it from the hilltops with these moves. Drafting a WR in the first with all their holes on D speaks volumes about what they think of Moncrief.

i think adding Johnson is about the post-season and mentoring a very young team. Dorsett adds another dimension to the offense, is a different WR than Moncrief and serves as a kind of insurance for TY's possible departure. i think these moves don't change their opinion of an emerging talent.

Decided to hedge my bets. Traded for Moncrief. I have him and Dorsett. Got him fairly cheap. One thing is for sure, The O is going to be electric in Indy for a long time. Andre Johnson is only going to be there a year or two. Both of these guys could be the 1 and 2 in Indy before it's all said and done because we just might find out that TY is JAG that had one of the best QB's in the league force feeding him the ball.

 

[saintfool]

He may have elite measures, but I don't think he's close to elite at catching the football. The elite guys can already catch. If they are bringing in a 34 year old wideout AND still drafting WR in the early rounds, I don't think that says much for their confidence that he can be the top (or second) option...

Right. While the coaches aren't verbally saying they don't think that highly of Monrcrief, they are screaming it from the hilltops with these moves. Drafting a WR in the first with all their holes on D speaks volumes about what they think of Moncrief.

i think adding Johnson is about the post-season and mentoring a very young team. Dorsett adds another dimension to the offense, is a different WR than Moncrief and serves as a kind of insurance for TY's possible departure. i think these moves don't change their opinion of an emerging talent.

Decided to hedge my bets. Traded for Moncrief. I have him and Dorsett. Got him fairly cheap. One thing is for sure, The O is going to be electric in Indy for a long time. Andre Johnson is only going to be there a year or two. Both of these guys could be the 1 and 2 in Indy before it's all said and done because we just might find out that TY is JAG that had one of the best QB's in the league force feeding him the ball.

personally, i think the biggest losers in the offense are the TEs. they're going to lose snaps and targets to arguably the best WR corp in the AFC.

 

[Dork Matter]

I have a suspicion that Andre was signed in part as Dwayne Allen insurance. DA is supposed to be a red zone machine, but he can't stay healthy. Andre may not be super-fast anymore, but as a high-posting, box-out, possession and red-zone receiver he could be a very effective replacement.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I have a suspicion that Andre was signed in part as Dwayne Allen insurance. DA is supposed to be a red zone machine, but he can't stay healthy. Andre may not be super-fast anymore, but as a high-posting, box-out, possession and red-zone receiver he could be a very effective replacement.

Andre has never been a major red zone target. Why would he suddenly become one now?

 

[Dork Matter]

I have a suspicion that Andre was signed in part as Dwayne Allen insurance. DA is supposed to be a red zone machine, but he can't stay healthy. Andre may not be super-fast anymore, but as a high-posting, box-out, possession and red-zone receiver he could be a very effective replacement.

Andre has never been a major red zone target. Why would he suddenly become one now?

I think his role in Indy will be different than in Houston. Indy wants to be base 2-TE, with height in the middle and speed on the outside. If Allen goes down, they need a replacement in the middle.