Dynasty Draft help please (1 Viewer)

[hoofnstang]

I'm in a start up dynasty vet draft, my first IDP league as well and need to know when to draft my first LB.

Scoring is:

Tackle 1 2.00 (Tackle for loss add 1)

Assist 1 1.00 (Assist for loss add 1)

Sack 1 3.00

Fumble Recovery 1 2.00

Forced Fumble 1 2.00

Interception 1 2.00

Pass Defended 1 1.50

Defensive TDs 1 6.00

Blocked FG 1 3.00

Blocked Punt 1 2.00

Safety 1 2.00

I'm drafting from the 9th spot, current team is: Rudi, McGahee, Chambers, Ward. I'm two spots away from drafting my 5th rounder and need to know should I take a LB or go with a QB/WR and then a LB at the 6th. Currently the following LB's have been taken in the 4/5 rounds: Vilma, Bulluck, M Peterson, L Fletcher.

Should I take someone like Donnie Edwars or Zach Thomas (who scare me b/c of age since this is a dynasty), or a younger LB (suggestions please), or should I go QB (thinking Eli or Hasselbeck) with my 5th and the follow with a LB in the 6th?

 

[Spike]

This is a tough one to answer without knowing the offensive scoring system as well as the defensive (which you've provided). Also, we'd really need to know the starting lineup requirements (1QB, 2RB, 2WR, flex - if any - , etc.).

 

[hoofnstang]

This is a tough one to answer without knowing the offensive scoring system as well as the defensive (which you've provided). Also, we'd really need to know the starting lineup requirements (1QB, 2RB, 2WR, flex - if any - , etc.).

Offensive scoring isASSING

Passing TDs 1 4.00

Passing Yds 1 0.05

Passing Interception (thrown) 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

RUSHING

Rushing TDs 1 6.00

Rushing Yds 1 0.10

Fumbles Lost 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

RECEIVING

Receiving TDs 1 6.00

Receiving Yds 1 0.10

Receptions 1 1.00

Fumbles Lost 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

Lineups are: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, K, 3 DB, 4 LB, 3 DL

 

[pretender]

I would go LB. Seeing as you have to start 4 and with your scoring linebackers will be gold! Take my word for it. I start 3 and am in a 16 team dynasty and you can't buy a linebacker stud. If you are looking for younger players. Thurman, Dansby, Crowder, Pierce, Hawk, Sims, Greenway.

I wouldn't be afraid to go with some older players like Zach - even though it is a dynasty you need a couple of solid older guys to anchor some positions and balance off the youth that will take awhile to develop. Just some of my thoughts. I believe you can never start too early at picking LBers especially with your aggessive scoring and starting requirements.

 

[hoofnstang]

I would go LB. Seeing as you have to start 4 and with your scoring linebackers will be gold! Take my word for it. I start 3 and am in a 16 team dynasty and you can't buy a linebacker stud. If you are looking for younger players. Thurman, Dansby, Crowder, Pierce, Hawk, Sims, Greenway.

I wouldn't be afraid to go with some older players like Zach - even though it is a dynasty you need a couple of solid older guys to anchor some positions and balance off the youth that will take awhile to develop. Just some of my thoughts. I believe you can never start too early at picking LBers especially with your aggessive scoring and starting requirements.

This is the advice I was looking to hear, thank you. You've made me curious now, I have two questions. 1)Which LB would you recomend taking here then? Zach Thomas appears to have the highest 3 year average Fanstasy points using this scoring system.

2) Since the LB is so important, would you follow up in the 6th with another one and land two stud LBs and follow up with a QB in the 7th, or should I go QB in the 6th?

 

[pretender]

I would go LB. Seeing as you have to start 4 and with your scoring linebackers will be gold! Take my word for it. I start 3 and am in a 16 team dynasty and you can't buy a linebacker stud.  If you are looking for younger players. Thurman, Dansby, Crowder, Pierce, Hawk, Sims, Greenway.

I wouldn't be afraid to go with some older players  like Zach - even though it is a dynasty you need a couple of solid older guys to anchor some positions and balance off the youth that will take awhile to develop. Just some of my thoughts. I believe you can never start too early at picking LBers especially with your aggessive scoring and starting requirements.

This is the advice I was looking to hear, thank you. You've made me curious now, I have two questions. 1)Which LB would you recomend taking here then? Zach Thomas appears to have the highest 3 year average Fanstasy points using this scoring system.

2) Since the LB is so important, would you follow up in the 6th with another one and land two stud LBs and follow up with a QB in the 7th, or should I go QB in the 6th?

I think that Zach has a couple of good years left but I also think that with Crowder in there Zach's numbers might drop a little. If Tatupu is still there I think I would take him over Zach. Then Zach or even Urlacher or Thurman. You can check the projections and rankings on the FBG front page. Their scoring is less than yours for tackles and sacks IIRC. Their listings will give you more ideas of the top ranked players at all positions. I would wait on a QB and go back to back linebackers or even pull in a top DL after a linebacker as your scoring weights heavily towards defense and not as much towards the QB. I think there is value at QB in the later rounds.

Just my 2 cents

 

[hoofnstang]

I would go LB. Seeing as you have to start 4 and with your scoring linebackers will be gold! Take my word for it. I start 3 and am in a 16 team dynasty and you can't buy a linebacker stud.  If you are looking for younger players. Thurman, Dansby, Crowder, Pierce, Hawk, Sims, Greenway.

I wouldn't be afraid to go with some older players  like Zach - even though it is a dynasty you need a couple of solid older guys to anchor some positions and balance off the youth that will take awhile to develop. Just some of my thoughts. I believe you can never start too early at picking LBers especially with your aggessive scoring and starting requirements.

This is the advice I was looking to hear, thank you. You've made me curious now, I have two questions. 1)Which LB would you recomend taking here then? Zach Thomas appears to have the highest 3 year average Fanstasy points using this scoring system.

2) Since the LB is so important, would you follow up in the 6th with another one and land two stud LBs and follow up with a QB in the 7th, or should I go QB in the 6th?

I think that Zach has a couple of good years left but I also think that with Crowder in there Zach's numbers might drop a little. If Tatupu is still there I think I would take him over Zach. Then Zach or even Urlacher or Thurman. You can check the projections and rankings on the FBG front page. Their scoring is less than yours for tackles and sacks IIRC. Their listings will give you more ideas of the top ranked players at all positions. I would wait on a QB and go back to back linebackers or even pull in a top DL after a linebacker as your scoring weights heavily towards defense and not as much towards the QB. I think there is value at QB in the later rounds.

Just my 2 cents

Excellent advice, thanks for taking the time.

 

[cpstorm]

check the noob thread i started - very valuable info there, including one piece that said dont draft more than 2 or 3 def in top 10 rounds.

 

[hoofnstang]

check the noob thread i started - very valuable info there, including one piece that said dont draft more than 2 or 3 def in top 10 rounds.

 

[sholditch]

This is a tough one to answer without knowing the offensive scoring system as well as the defensive (which you've provided).  Also, we'd really need to know the starting lineup requirements (1QB, 2RB, 2WR, flex - if any - , etc.).

Offensive scoring isASSING

Passing TDs 1 4.00

Passing Yds 1 0.05

Passing Interception (thrown) 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

RUSHING

Rushing TDs 1 6.00

Rushing Yds 1 0.10

Fumbles Lost 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

RECEIVING

Receiving TDs 1 6.00

Receiving Yds 1 0.10

Receptions 1 1.00

Fumbles Lost 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

Lineups are: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, K, 3 DB, 4 LB, 3 DL

With that defemsive scoring def. go LB. Take Urlacher. Just read that CIN may be switching to a 3-4 which would hurt Thurman's value. Or thomas. But Urlacher is signed through 2009 or 10.

 

[Rovers]

Yeah, I'd think I'd go Urlacher or Lofa. It's always great to have a stud 3 down MLB to bank on every week. In a dynasty, I'd stay away from Zach. Edwards too. I'd get my stud LB and go back to offense on the next pick. Either RB or WR. I'd wait on any DE's and DT's. In fact, I'd go back to LB after getting another WR or RB, unless there was a real value pick at WR left on the board, like a Lee Evans.

Do you assign contracts? If you do, youth should be a slightly lower consideration. In my contract dynasty leagues, we have a 40 man roster, and 100 contract years. It isn't easy to assign many 5 year contracts out. That's for stud RB's and stud LB's for the most part. I also would not jump too ealry for DB's.... scheme changes can drastically affect their value. Ronde Barber is a stud in the system in TB, but he's in his contract year. If he lands elsewhere, his value could plummet.

It's STILL offnese that wins FF championships.... good luck with your draft!

 

[hoofnstang]

This is a tough one to answer without knowing the offensive scoring system as well as the defensive (which you've provided).  Also, we'd really need to know the starting lineup requirements (1QB, 2RB, 2WR, flex - if any - , etc.).

Offensive scoring isASSING

Passing TDs 1 4.00

Passing Yds 1 0.05

Passing Interception (thrown) 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

RUSHING

Rushing TDs 1 6.00

Rushing Yds 1 0.10

Fumbles Lost 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

RECEIVING

Receiving TDs 1 6.00

Receiving Yds 1 0.10

Receptions 1 1.00

Fumbles Lost 1 -2.00

2 Pt Conversion 1 2.00

Lineups are: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, K, 3 DB, 4 LB, 3 DL

With that defemsive scoring def. go LB. Take Urlacher. Just read that CIN may be switching to a 3-4 which would hurt Thurman's value. Or thomas. But Urlacher is signed through 2009 or 10.

I took Tatupu, I'll likely follow up with another LB. I like the idea of stocking up at a key position rather while others are getting their 3rd receiver and RB.

 

[hoofnstang]

Yeah, I'd think I'd go Urlacher or Lofa. It's always great to have a stud 3 down MLB to bank on every week. In a dynasty, I'd stay away from Zach. Edwards too. I'd get my stud LB and go back to offense on the next pick. Either RB or WR. I'd wait on any DE's and DT's. In fact, I'd go back to LB after getting another WR or RB, unless there was a real value pick at WR left on the board, like a Lee Evans.

Do you assign contracts? If you do, youth should be a slightly lower consideration. In my contract dynasty leagues, we have a 40 man roster, and 100 contract years. It isn't easy to assign many 5 year contracts out. That's for stud RB's and stud LB's for the most part. I also would not jump too ealry for DB's.... scheme changes can drastically affect their value. Ronde Barber is a stud in the system in TB, but he's in his contract year. If he lands elsewhere, his value could plummet.

It's STILL offnese that wins FF championships.... good luck with your draft!

Another point I need to think about. We do assign contracts, only 90 years for a 35 man roster. What types of contracts do you typically assign to each position (I realize this is a vague question, just looking for average/general numbers).

 

[Rovers]

Yeah, check the math..... 35 into 90... thats roughly around 2.5 years per player. You will also have to keep some contract years in the bank for FA pickups. I'd think you'd want to put 3 to 4 years each on your RB's. maybe 5 for Chambers, and five for your first LB. Now, you are already down to 72 contract years for 31 players. Let's say you save 4 contract yeras for FA (and don't forget trades.....the player will come with a contract) so now you're at 68 years for 31 players.

There is risk in assigning contracts, even to your studs. Only give big ones out to the core of your roster. I inherited one orphan team, and friggin Kelly Washington has 4 years left on his contract. :X

It's best to hide your future studs on the taxi squad.... I'll keep Maroney there this year myself. I can always call him up, but again, I have to keep some contract years in the bank if I want to do that.

I would stock up on the point generators that deserve long contracts early in the draft.... that means few DL's and DB's. It does mean RB's WR's, LB's, in that order.

I don't factor in age for any player under 30, unless it's a RB. Of course, I would not give a 29 year old MLB a five year contract either though.... but 2 or 3 if he's a good one, sure.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

Load up on as much good young offensive players as possible. In my recent dynasty draft, I didn't take a defensive player until the 9th round, and now I wish I had waited even longer. Defensive players are much easier to find on the waiver wire.

 

[ffchamp1]

I would go LB. Seeing as you have to start 4 and with your scoring linebackers will be gold! Take my word for it. I start 3 and am in a 16 team dynasty and you can't buy a linebacker stud.  If you are looking for younger players. Thurman, Dansby, Crowder, Pierce, Hawk, Sims, Greenway.

I wouldn't be afraid to go with some older players  like Zach - even though it is a dynasty you need a couple of solid older guys to anchor some positions and balance off the youth that will take awhile to develop. Just some of my thoughts. I believe you can never start too early at picking LBers especially with your aggessive scoring and starting requirements.

This is the advice I was looking to hear, thank you. You've made me curious now, I have two questions. 1)Which LB would you recomend taking here then? Zach Thomas appears to have the highest 3 year average Fanstasy points using this scoring system.

2) Since the LB is so important, would you follow up in the 6th with another one and land two stud LBs and follow up with a QB in the 7th, or should I go QB in the 6th?

I think that Zach has a couple of good years left but I also think that with Crowder in there Zach's numbers might drop a little. If Tatupu is still there I think I would take him over Zach. Then Zach or even Urlacher or Thurman. You can check the projections and rankings on the FBG front page. Their scoring is less than yours for tackles and sacks IIRC. Their listings will give you more ideas of the top ranked players at all positions. I would wait on a QB and go back to back linebackers or even pull in a top DL after a linebacker as your scoring weights heavily towards defense and not as much towards the QB. I think there is value at QB in the later rounds.

Just my 2 cents

Careful on Thurman...

 

[pretender]

Yeah when I wrote that about Thurman I hadn't heard about the suspension. I would back off on him now!

 

[hoofnstang]

I'm looking for my #2 LB, who should I pick from these:

Nick Barnett

Keith Brooking

Derrick Johnson

Karlos Dansby

Kirk Morrison

Takeo Spikes

Derrick Brooks

Cato June

Trotter

Or any other sleepers you may suggest?

Edited to add: I took Derrick Brooks.

 

[Rovers]

Nick Barnett- I'd wait on Barnett..... of he goes to the strong side, as is widely conjectured at this point, his value dips.

Keith Brooking- Brooking is a stud. Can't go wrong here, but he is thirty years old. I think he's got 3 stud-type years left in him.

Derrick Johnson- Had a nice rookie season, but a bit of a risk with only one year to look at.

Karlos Dansby- Dansby is my breakout LB this year.... young MLB that has a nose for the big play.

Kirk Morrison- Pass. Uncertain situation in Oakland.

Takeo Spikes- 29 year old big play (unpredictable) LB coming off a major injury, with Crowell breathing down his neck. Pass.

Derrick Brooks- Another "too old" stud for a dynasty.

Cato June- Most over rated LB around. Gaudy numbers helped by flukish INT's, 5 in fact, with two returned for TD's. I'd like him on my roster, but not this early.

Trotter- Too old, and rumors he might see less plays in the nickel.

So, I like Dansby and Brooking, in that order of the LB's you listed.

Players like Quarles, Trotter, Brooks are still viable picks here, if it were a redraft, or if you wanted to make a run this year.

 

[Rovers]

I'm looking for my #2 LB, who should I pick from these:

Nick Barnett

Keith Brooking

Derrick Johnson

Karlos Dansby

Kirk Morrison

Takeo Spikes

Derrick Brooks

Cato June

Trotter

Or any other sleepers you may suggest?

Edited to add: I took Derrick Brooks.

I was posting when you made your pick, looks like. Not a bad pick if you hope to win this year, but I'd have prefered a younger player there, personally.

 

[hoofnstang]

I'm looking for my #2 LB, who should I pick from these:

Nick Barnett

Keith Brooking

Derrick Johnson

Karlos Dansby

Kirk Morrison

Takeo Spikes

Derrick Brooks

Cato June

Trotter

Or any other sleepers you may suggest?

Edited to add: I took Derrick Brooks.

I was posting when you made your pick, looks like. Not a bad pick if you hope to win this year, but I'd have prefered a younger player there, personally.

Always the way. Oh well, nothing I can do now. At least I have some info on these guys to help me make a decision next time. I may have to look at this Dansby kid.When's not too early to break away and pick a DB?

 

[Rovers]

I'm looking for my #2 LB, who should I pick from these:

Nick Barnett

Keith Brooking

Derrick Johnson

Karlos Dansby

Kirk Morrison

Takeo Spikes

Derrick Brooks

Cato June

Trotter

Or any other sleepers you may suggest?

Edited to add: I took Derrick Brooks.

I was posting when you made your pick, looks like. Not a bad pick if you hope to win this year, but I'd have prefered a younger player there, personally.

Always the way. Oh well, nothing I can do now. At least I have some info on these guys to help me make a decision next time. I may have to look at this Dansby kid.When's not too early to break away and pick a DB?

I would want 2 RB's, 3 WR's and two LB's before going for a DB, but there are always some players that fall and just can't be passed on, like an Adrian Wilson. In fact, I'd look for my bye week RB that has some future upside before going to DB's. Every team in the NFL has 4 starting DB's. After the top 10 or so are taken, there is very little drop off in production, and they are very vulnerable to both injuries and scheme changes from one year to the next. I think a lot of new IDP players put too much emphasis on the D players. Yes, you need good LB's, but it's still offense that wins championships. In fact, I think I would wait until late in the draft to get DB's, but then grab a bunch of them. I'd do my homework, and go after guys like Whitner, Justin Miller, Shawntee Spencer, Bing, Smith on the Jets. Some of them will pan out, and you will have used your higher draft slots for WR's and RB's, even if they aren't pencilled in as starters just yet.

Remember the numbers.... 32 teams, 4 DB's per team, 3 to 4 LB's per team, 2 WR's per team (that are worth starting) 1 RB per team, one QB per team. Don't put too much emphasis on the IDP's. It's still about the offensive players.

PS: I forgot to mention getting a TE way before a DB.....