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[DYNASTY] Dwayne Bowe (1 Viewer)

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We all know the "3rd year breakout" for WRs. Most of us also know that is a myth. For every 3rd year breakout, there are 25 WRs who don't progress at all. I, for one, thought that least year Bowe would be one of those WRs that proved the myth correct. I wasn't alone as most drafts had him drafted as a Top 10 WR.

He was coming off a promising second year (86/1022/7), in which he improved in every category over his very impressive rookie campaign of 70/995/5. There was a new regime in town that came from a pass happy attack in Arizona. We all hoped that would translate to even bigger things for him. Unfortunately, he was mired in Haley's doghouse all offseason, even demoted as low as 3rd string. He then worked his way back up to a starter before the season started. The season was a disaster. Bowe was suspended for PEDs (diuretics I believe) and saw action in only 11 games. Even when he was in there, Cassel was atrocious. He was sacked 42 times and posted a 69.9 passer rating. The Chiefs had a plodding running attack (pre Jamaal Charles) before Bowe was suspended and that allowed defenses to key in on stopping him. There was no other option in the passing game.

I think that fact is too often overlooked. While Cassel was bad, I think this was the larger problem. Bowe's first two years he had just as bad, if not worse, QBs chucking him the ball. So, what changed? Tony Gonzalez left. That's what changed. Bowe now had the focus of the defense and it showed.

So, why the optimism this year and beyond? A few reasons...

1. Bowe is a target MONSTER. He played in 11 games last year and saw 87 targets. That projects out to 127 targets, which is low for him. In 2008, he had 157 targets. I expect something in the middle, considering the balls that will need to go around to other options in the offense. For comparison purposes, Vincent Jackson (who, regardless of sitting out, most have as a Top 10 WR) has seen 107 and 101 targets the last two years. With Cassel, you may not always get quality, but you can't discount the quantity.

2. I alluded to this in the previous point. There are other options in the offense this year to take pressure/coverage off of him. Chris Chambers, Dexter McCluster, Jamaal Charles, and even Tony Moeaki will all help to alleviate the double/triple coverage that Bowe would often see. While there will be less balls to go around with more options, I expect the quality of those available targets to go up.

3. You can't discount the work Bowe has put in this offseason. While he's often been labeled as lazy (showing up to camp overweight, etc.), even Haley has sung Bowe's praises. He attended Larry Fitzgerald's WR camp and reported to camp in top shape. Bowe has been knocked for his low catch %. Whether that's bad hands or concentration issues, I can only hope that Fitzgerald's camp helped him in that area.

4. Charlie Weis. While he wasn't cut out for a head coaching gig in South Bend, he brings an incredible offensive mind to a team desperate for it. I don't see how this could possibly be a negative for the Chiefs best WR.

I'm clearly higher on Bowe than most. Being an SEC (Gator) fan, I saw plenty of him in college and loved him there. He's big, strong, and has loads of upside. The problem thus far in his career has been the mental aspects IMO. It may just be coach speak and me reading too much into his offseason work ethic....but I truly feel that he has gotten over that hurdle.

Last year was a lost year and I believe this is the season that Dwayne Bowe becomes a WR1.

I project:



140 targets

88 catches

1200 yards

13.6 ypc

8 TDs

That would be 256 points. Good for WR11 last year. Those of you in multiple leagues with me may write this off as me being hopeful considering I own him nearly everywhere. While that may hold some truth, I actually actively shopped for him this offseason with this mindset. I purchased/held him because I felt he'd break out this year. Not the other way around :angry:

Who is with me?

 
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I'm drinking the Kool-Aid only because he is the key to a trade I made last year. :angry:

I hope you are correct.

 
We all know the "3rd year breakout" for WRs. Most of us also know that is a myth. For every 3rd year breakout, there are 25 WRs who don't progress at all. I, for one, thought that least year Bowe would be one of those WRs that proved the myth correct. I wasn't alone as most drafts had him drafted as a Top 10 WR.

He was coming off a promising second year (86/1022/7), in which he improved in every category over his very impressive rookie campaign of 70/995/5. There was a new regime in town that came from a pass happy attack in Arizona. We all hoped that would translate to even bigger things for him. Unfortunately, he was mired in Haley's doghouse all offseason, even demoted as low as 3rd string. He then worked his way back up to a starter before the season started. The season was a disaster. Bowe was suspended for PEDs (diuretics I believe) and saw action in only 11 games. Even when he was in there, Cassel was atrocious. He was sacked 42 times and posted a 69.9 passer rating. The Chiefs had a plodding running attack (pre Jamaal Charles) before Bowe was suspended and that allowed defenses to key in on stopping him. There was no other option in the passing game.

I think that fact is too often overlooked. While Cassel was bad, I think this was the larger problem. Bowe's first two years he had just as bad, if not worse, QBs chucking him the ball. So, what changed? Tony Gonzalez left. That's what changed. Bowe now had the focus of the defense and it showed.

So, why the optimism this year and beyond? A few reasons...

1. Bowe is a target MONSTER. He played in 11 games last year and saw 87 targets. That projects out to 127 targets, which is low for him. In 2008, he had 157 targets. I expect something in the middle, considering the balls that will need to go around to other options in the offense. For comparison purposes, Vincent Jackson (who, regardless of sitting out, most have as a Top 10 WR) has seen 107 and 101 targets the last two years. With Cassel, you may not always get quality, but you can't discount the quantity.

2. I alluded to this in the previous point. There are other options in the offense this year to take pressure/coverage off of him. Chris Chambers, Dexter McCluster, Jamaal Charles, and even Tony Moeaki will all help to alleviate the double/triple coverage that Bowe would often see. While there will be less balls to go around with more options, I expect the quality of those available targets to go up.

3. You can't discount the work Bowe has put in this offseason. While he's often been labeled as lazy (showing up to camp overweight, etc.), even Haley has sung Bowe's praises. He attended Larry Fitzgerald's WR camp and reported to camp in top shape. Bowe has been knocked for his low catch %. Whether that's bad hands or concentration issues, I can only hope that Fitzgerald's camp helped him in that area.

4. Charlie Weis. While he wasn't cut out for a head coaching gig in South Bend, he brings an incredible offensive mind to a team desperate for it. I don't see how this could possibly be a negative for the Chiefs best WR.

I'm clearly higher on Bowe than most. Being an SEC (Gator) fan, I saw plenty of him in college and loved him there. He's big, strong, and has loads of upside. The problem thus far in his career has been the mental aspects IMO. It may just be coach speak and me reading too much into his offseason work ethic....but I truly feel that he has gotten over that hurdle.

Last year was a lost year and I believe this is the season that Dwayne Bowe becomes a WR1.

I project:



140 targets

88 catches

1200 yards

13.6 ypc

8 TDs

That would be 256 points. Good for WR11 last year. Those of you in multiple leagues with me may write this off as me being hopeful considering I own him nearly everywhere. While that may hold some truth, I actually actively shopped for him this offseason with this mindset. I purchased/held him because I felt he'd break out this year. Not the other way around :angry:

Who is with me?
I am. I've never owned Bowe before this year but always liked his potential. Based on the above off-season commitment, he was a target of mine heading into the draft. Got him before his ADP only b/c we are a WR heaving league. He has the real, as opposed to possible, chance to be a top 10 WR1. Your numbers are in line with my projections.
 
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I am. I've never owned Bowe before this year but always liked his potential. Based on the above off-season commitment, he was a target of mine heading into the draft. Got him before his ADP only b/c we are a WR heaving league. He has the real, as opposed to possible, chance to be a top 10 WR1. Your numbers are in line with my projections.
You hit on the other big reason I was a buyer this offseason. His value was so low because a lot of folks had written him off. I bought him at a discount based on where I value him. That is the key. I'd rather buy a guy like Bowe at a discount than pay a premium (overpay) for Fitzgerald. Those types of moves are often the key to championships and building a dynasty team that consistently contends.
 
I am a cautiously optimistic believer and traded Shonn Greene for Bowe straight up in a ppr dynasty this offseason.

For this season, you've also got to like Bowe's schedule. The lack of a quality WR2 (sorry Chris Chambers) will hurt his overall numbers, but I could see Bowe with 80 rec. 1100 yds 7 TDs.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

 
Grabbed him in the 8th round as my 3rd WR in one ten teamer. Some people just don't want to grab him this year, and I've really seen him fall..

 
Grabbed him in the 8th round as my 3rd WR in one ten teamer. Some people just don't want to grab him this year, and I've really seen him fall..
I grabbed him in the 6th round of a 14 team league as my #3 WR behind Andre Johnson & Calvin Johnson and really counting on him to have a strong year. I'm rolling the dice on my RBs so having 3 quality WRs is the key for me. I also grabbed McCluster with one of my last picks...I'm pretty high on KC from a fantasy standpoint this year.
 
Nice post. People do seem to be snakebitten and steering clear of Bowe.

I'm with you on the fact that he'll improve, but I don't see a top 15 finish in the cards. Top 25-30 would be more reasonable. The positives you outlined are solid, sure, but there are also a number of negatives working against Bowe.

Bowe clearly struggles/struggled with the loss of Tony G who occupied multiple defenders. He doesn't appear to be an elite player who can handle the pressures of being a #1 target. Don't get me wrong, McCluster, etc. are definitely a help in opening things up for him, but they're not the distraction or presence that Gonzalez was. Team's can still focus on Bowe in an effort to shut down the KC passing offense.

Sure, the running game will help open things up, but with Jones and McCluster in the mix, it's likely that we see more attempts out of the backfield than through the air for KC. Yea, KC isn't likely to be very good in 2010, but they weren't last year, either. I see rushing attempts increasing.

Considering all of this, his production should definitely improve, but I'd be shocked to see him sniff 90 catches and 1,200 yards.

 
As a WR3, I would like to have Bowe on my Dynasty team. I would put him somewhere in the mid 20s among Wrs. But the optimism of the OP is pretty much groundless and there are other risks with Bowe.

First and foremost, if he has another positive Performance Enhancing Drug test, he will be suspended for a long time.

Second, although some question whether he really used PEDs or not, the fact is that he was taking diet supplements designed to cover up their use and his body shows classic PEDs traits. So, if he stops using how will that affect his play?

His QB is pretty meh....

On the positive side, he doesn't have another proven receiving option that will really challenge him for looks. He is his team's prime receiving target and targets generally result in fantasy points. And, he has had one year of top end production so he is capable of doing it again.

The question froma dynasty perspective is whether or not he will elevate his game and then be able to consistently stay there? Given the team he is on (I wouldn't be surprised to see a coaching change there in the near future and the QB is average at best), given his suspension risk, and given his penchant for not working hard in the off season, I see a lot of reasons to be cautious.

In short, he is still a good player to have but I wouldn't want to count on him as my WR1 or WR2 in dynasty.

 
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I had the chance to draft either Bowe or Crabtree in the 6th round and I took Crabtree. Bowe actually slipped to the 7th which was suprising. Great value there.

 
As a WR3, I would like to have Bowe on my Dynasty team. I would put him somewhere in the mid 20s among Wrs. But the optimism of the OP is pretty much groundless and there are other risks with Bowe.First and foremost, if he has another positive Performance Enhancing Drug test, he will be suspended for a long time. Second, although some question whether he really used PEDs or not, the fact is that he was taking diet supplements designed to cover up their use and his body shows classic PEDs traits. So, if he stops using how will that affect his play?His QB is pretty meh....On the positive side, he doesn't have another proven receiving option that will really challenge him for looks. He is his team's prime receiving target and targets generally result in fantasy points. And, he has had one year of top end production so he is capable of doing it again.The question froma dynasty perspective is whether or not he will elevate his game and then be able to consistently stay there? Given the team he is on (I wouldn't be surprised to see a coaching change there in the near future and the QB is average at best), given his suspension risk, and given his penchant for not working hard in the off season, I see a lot of reasons to be cautious. In short, he is still a good player to have but I wouldn't want to count on him as my WR1 or WR2 in dynasty.
I'm not saying to rely on him as your WR1. At his current value though, you can buy him as a high end WR3. What other WR in the 20s has WR1 upside?Building a consistently competitive dynasty team is all about finding value where you can. Especially after Year 1. Bowe presents amazing value right now IMO.
 
I had the chance to draft either Bowe or Crabtree in the 6th round and I took Crabtree. Bowe actually slipped to the 7th which was suprising. Great value there.
I appreciate the reply, but this conversation is intended for dynasty purposes. Redraft doesn't really apply here.
 
I'm not saying to rely on him as your WR1. At his current value though, you can buy him as a high end WR3. What other WR in the 20s has WR1 upside?Building a consistently competitive dynasty team is all about finding value where you can. Especially after Year 1. Bowe presents amazing value right now IMO.
The value is definitely there with Bowe since guys are down on him who are snakebitten and you can get him on the cheap or in a package deal, but if we're talking startups, to me his current dynasty value is about right given he's being drafted in the 20's like you said above. There's always one in the crowd who has some belief in his propects. I suppose it's all about where you think his ceiling is and I just don't see him becoming a #1 FF WR based on my post above. I'd much rather a guy like Holmes or Garcon than Bowe in a startup, or even a straight up deal, right now.
 
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I had him last year in my TD-only keep 6 league. I kept Rodgers, Gore, Jamal Charles, Wayne, Harvin, and McFinley. I tried trading Bowe away for a pick at our draft but nobody would bite. So I gladly took him with my pick at 1.07 :pics:

 
I'm not saying to rely on him as your WR1. At his current value though, you can buy him as a high end WR3. What other WR in the 20s has WR1 upside?Building a consistently competitive dynasty team is all about finding value where you can. Especially after Year 1. Bowe presents amazing value right now IMO.
The value is definitely there with Bowe since guys are down on him who are snakebitten and you can get him on the cheap or in a package deal, but if we're talking startups, to me his current dynasty value is about right given he's being drafted in the 20's like you said above. There's always one in the crowd who has some belief in his propects. I suppose it's all about where you think his ceiling is and I just don't see him becoming a #1 FF WR based on my post above. I'd much rather a guy like Holmes or Garcon than Bowe in a startup, or even a straight up deal, right now.
Fair enough. I know I'm in the minority here. It's these calculated risks that can often lead to a huge boost when you need it. That's how I see Bowe. The price is right...for now anyway.Really? Garcon and Holmes? Holmes, pre-trade, yes. I don't like him on the Jets at all. Run first team with a QB who doesn't have the arm really to utilize Holmes' speed. Plus there is a logjam there for targets. Garcon is intriguing, but does he really have WR1 potential? I don't think he does. Not as the 3rd option (at best) in the passing game.
 
This is his 4th season BTW. Has had a serious knuckleheaded factor, but seems to be muted by the front office, which is probably for his good. He's most likely on his last legs in KC (signed through 11 and was selected by previous GM/coach) if he has a subpar season.

Buy low candidate, but I'd be surprised if he exceeds 70/900/5-ish range.

 
This is his 4th season BTW. Has had a serious knuckleheaded factor, but seems to be muted by the front office, which is probably for his good. He's most likely on his last legs in KC (signed through 11 and was selected by previous GM/coach) if he has a subpar season. Buy low candidate, but I'd be surprised if he exceeds 70/900/5-ish range.
Yep, maybe my first paragraph isn't as clear as it should be. I was giving the back story on how last year we expected the 3rd year breakout, but it was a lost season.What's working against him this year, in your opinion, that would cause him to have lesser numbers than he did two years ago.....with Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, and Brodie Croyle at QB?
 
What's working against him this year, in your opinion, that would cause him to have lesser numbers than he did two years ago.....with Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, and Brodie Croyle at QB?
Simple answer, Bowe. At some point, the Parcells statement "you are what you are" gets stuck to a player. He does not have an elite skill set, but looks like a poor man's Brandon Marshall is his neighborhood. He should have all the motivation in the world this season, but this is the same guy that showed up well over weight in 09 and got a 4 game suspension to boot. The lost season was ALL on Bowe, period. I'll give 80/1000/9 as his ceiling this year.
 
This probably won't be the year only because I drafted him hoping it would be the year! :unsure:

 
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What's working against him this year, in your opinion, that would cause him to have lesser numbers than he did two years ago.....with Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, and Brodie Croyle at QB?
Simple answer, Bowe. At some point, the Parcells statement "you are what you are" gets stuck to a player. He does not have an elite skill set, but looks like a poor man's Brandon Marshall is his neighborhood. He should have all the motivation in the world this season, but this is the same guy that showed up well over weight in 09 and got a 4 game suspension to boot. The lost season was ALL on Bowe, period. I'll give 80/1000/9 as his ceiling this year.
I agree with you. It's been the mental aspects and maturity that has plagued him. Elite is an overused term. Not many WRs in the NFL have ELITE skill sets. I can think of 3. He does have the skill set, IMO, to move into that 9 player tier of WR1s below them though. Based on what I've heard this offseason, I'm cautiously optimistic about him having matured some. One thing is certain...he's certainly in a better place this year than he was last year at this time.FWIW, and I have no facts to back this up, I'm in the camp that feels that his PEDs (diuretics) were used last year to cut weight. Granted, it was as a result of showing up to camp overweight. Again, cautiously optimistic.
 
I'm a believer this season. These are guys you have to pick before they break out. You never get them after they "live up to thei potential". Another guy I really like is Kenny Britt. Like Bowe, he has all the tools and has been a bit of a headcase. If either of those guys turn it on this year, I'll be sitting pretty for a late round draft pick..

 
I agree with you. It's been the mental aspects and maturity that has plagued him. Elite is an overused term. Not many WRs in the NFL have ELITE skill sets. I can think of 3. He does have the skill set, IMO, to move into that 9 player tier of WR1s below them though.

Based on what I've heard this offseason, I'm cautiously optimistic about him having matured some. One thing is certain...he's certainly in a better place this year than he was last year at this time.
I guess I wanted to clarify (my view of his ceiling) by putting the poor man's Marshall tag on him. As for the next tier under the premium level, errr, not so much. There is legit pressure on Bowe at age 26 to really step on the gas on his career. There is some age on some of the the tier 2-4 WRs, so the best forecast that I see Bowe hitting is the 12-20 / tier 4 range.
 
Fair enough. I know I'm in the minority here. It's these calculated risks that can often lead to a huge boost when you need it. That's how I see Bowe. The price is right...for now anyway.Really? Garcon and Holmes? Holmes, pre-trade, yes. I don't like him on the Jets at all. Run first team with a QB who doesn't have the arm really to utilize Holmes' speed. Plus there is a logjam there for targets. Garcon is intriguing, but does he really have WR1 potential? I don't think he does. Not as the 3rd option (at best) in the passing game.
Sanchez still needs some time to develop and, who knows, the Jets may not extend it. They'll run predominantly, but he'll instantaneously be the #1 guy. I'd rather a guy who I think is a top talent than a guy like Bowe who I feel is a perennial #2 WR at best.Yes, Garcon and I do think he has WR#1 potential. This is what I posted in another thread yesterday on why I love this guy:
Garcon continued to be more consistent as the season went on; I don't think it's only the postseason that was impressive for Garcon. If you breakdown Garcon's 2009 season, he wasn't targeted much before the bye (week 4) and missed time for roughly 3 games to close the season and still put up those numbers. Considering that, I'm finding it hard to see how he won't hit 1,000 in 2010 now that he has experience as a starter and a full year of playing time under his belt.Further examining his target pattern, it increased substantially as the year progressed last year. He was averaging around 8 targets per game after the Colts bye through the end of the season. All that considered, we add on his impressive postseason and I don't see how he's as overlooked as he is right now.I also believe Clark's year of 100 catches ~1100 yards was a result questionable options at the #2 and #3 WR spots for the better part of the season.Re: Gonzo, from everything I've seen/read, the Colts have always wanted Gonzo as a slot guy. I recall rumors from the front office prior to the 2009 draft that the front office thought they needed a legit outside WR. They didn't end up drafting anyone, but Garcon's filled that role nicely. Collie and Garcon appear to have been able to hold him off so far and I expect that to continue.
 
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I think he's ranked almost exactly where he should be. Right around the dynasty WR20-WR25 range. I agree that he has a good opportunity. The difference is that I don't think he's a special talent. He's not very fast, not very consistent, and not very good in jump ball situations. His best aspects are his strength and quickness. He's a power WR in the mold of Boldin or TO, but not as gifted as those two. I think he's like a more athletic, less consistent version of Jerricho Cotchery. Decent player to own. Not a guy who's guaranteed to be a cornerstone of a dynasty team though.

 
I have bowe,Wallace,both mw as my 3rd wr in dynasty. Bowe,tb mike and Wallace will all see time this season. Rolling with bowe this week.

 
Ok, so the season started out slow. One game past the halfway point I figured I'd bump this to see if anyone's perception of Bowe has changed. KC has been a running team all year long, which has limited Bowe's chances.

Three things I find extremely impressive about Bowe's production thus far:

#1 - He's producing at a very good clip in spite of the offensive scheme and Cassel's play The last 5 games he's been absolutely on fire.

#2 - There has been no one else in the receiving game (outside of Charles/Moeaki occasionally) to take pressure off of Bowe. He's seeing double teams on nearly every play.

#3 - I haven't seen the constant mental lapses that have plagued him in seasons past. I was hopeful that those were behind him and for the most part they seem to be.

Bowe is currently on pace for:

69 catches

1077 yards

16 TDs

Anyone's thoughts/feelings on Bowe changed?

ETA: Over the past 5 games, Bowe is the #2 WR in the league (behind only Roddy White).

 
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He is what I thought he was at the beginning of the season: a low-end WR2/ high-end WR3 that can be inconsistent, which means some 1 point games and some big games. Before today, his value was salvaged by TDs, which are inconsistent. I haven't seen any of today's game, so not sure if he did anything to shake that description (especially if Champ was covering him). I think I want to see it again before moving him up.

 
He is what I thought he was at the beginning of the season: a low-end WR2/ high-end WR3 that can be inconsistent, which means some 1 point games and some big games. Before today, his value was salvaged by TDs, which are inconsistent. I haven't seen any of today's game, so not sure if he did anything to shake that description (especially if Champ was covering him). I think I want to see it again before moving him up.
Salvaged by TDs? He's had games of 6/108, 3/81, and 5/63 (along with today's monster performance) during the last 5 games. Those are all double digit games WITHOUT the scores. You can't just dismiss his touchdowns. It's not like they've been fluky 80 yard TDs. I'm not sure if you've watched any of the Chiefs games, but he's had some impressive TD catches.
 
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He is what I thought he was at the beginning of the season: a low-end WR2/ high-end WR3 that can be inconsistent, which means some 1 point games and some big games. Before today, his value was salvaged by TDs, which are inconsistent. I haven't seen any of today's game, so not sure if he did anything to shake that description (especially if Champ was covering him). I think I want to see it again before moving him up.
I've followed Bowe a lot these past few weeks because I picked him up off waivers, and was in dire need of a WR3 since we start 3 in my money league.He gets at least 1-3 looks every time they're in the red zone. That's why he's getting all those touchdowns, not to mention he's one of the better WR red zone threats I've seen, some of the catches are unbelievable, he has great footwork on the sidelines and in the end zone.

And what exactly do you need to see again? Have you seen his numbers since KC's bye?

Everything I've heard from Haley's interview points to Bowe growing up and maturing.

When he was asked if Bowe will be benched after his terrible Indy game, Haley backed him up and said how much he's improved.

And remember how Haley felt about him last season? I think this says a lot.

I could understand the arguments for the targets earlier in the season, but he's lead KC in targets in nearly every game since the bye, and double digits in the last two.

 
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A good sidebar to this thread....

If you have sold Bowe, what value are you getting?

I did this deal 3 weeks ago:

Gave:

Best/Bowe/Torain

for

Got:

Charles/Calvin

I still love it, but I might feel different if Best was still in Week 2 form.

 
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A good sidebar to this thread....If you have sold Bowe, what value are you getting?I did this deal 3 weeks ago:Gave:Best/Bowe/TorainforGot:Charles/CalvinI still love it, but I might feel different if Best was still in Week 2 form.
Absolute STEAL :thumbup:ETA: He's definitely been solid in recent weeks - maybe a sign of things to come, but he still seems rather mediocre to me at roughly 1K yards.
 
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A good sidebar to this thread....If you have sold Bowe, what value are you getting?I did this deal 3 weeks ago:Gave:Best/Bowe/TorainforGot:Charles/CalvinI still love it, but I might feel different if Best was still in Week 2 form.
Absolute STEAL :goodposting:ETA: He's definitely been solid in recent weeks - maybe a sign of things to come, but he still seems rather mediocre to me at roughly 1K yards.
On the surface, his yardage does seem "mediocre", but I think you have to factor into the equation the focus of the offense (running the ball) and the quality of targets he's seeing. While his targets are in the 70s, the quality of those aren't comparable to say...Roddy White from Matt Ryan.I can only hope that Sunday's game showed Haley/Weis that they can put more passing plays into the weekly game plan if need be.I don't want to get overly excited about what's he's done (with the definite chance of regression), but IMO it's definitely more than "solid". Over the past 5 weeks he's scored (on a PPG basis) behind only Roddy White. And on the season he's scoring as the WR9. Less than 2 points behind Reggie Wayne. When you consider the rest of the Top 10 on the season, Bowe EASILY has the worst QB throwing him the ball. That is impressive, not "solid". :thumbup:FWIW, I'm just happy that my prediction is holding true after Week 10 :lmao:
 
A good sidebar to this thread....If you have sold Bowe, what value are you getting?I did this deal 3 weeks ago:Gave:Best/Bowe/TorainforGot:Charles/CalvinI still love it, but I might feel different if Best was still in Week 2 form.
I highly doubt this is a real trade. Charles is far better than Best and Calvin is in another stratosphere. Calvin is the BEST fantasy WRs, especially in dynasty, in fantasy football. Torain is irrelevant. If it went through, good for you, but i just can't see anyone giving up 1st and 2nd round talent for 5th and 6th round talent, + 9th level talent in Torain. And i have 3 fantasy football teams and own Calvin, Best, Bowe and Torain, so i don't think i'm being biased.
 
Just dealt bowe and Greene for gore and some idp in a non ppr dynasty. I actually balked at mike Williams bucs and sent bowe. Not sure that it's good value or not, it worked for my team with bad rbs and Roddy, Wallace, mw bucs as starters and crabtree as filler.Bowe started a lot for me but i'd rather bench beanie, benson, mathews over mw or Wallace.

A good sidebar to this thread....If you have sold Bowe, what value are you getting?I did this deal 3 weeks ago:Gave:Best/Bowe/TorainforGot:Charles/CalvinI still love it, but I might feel different if Best was still in Week 2 form.
Absolute STEAL :rolleyes:ETA: He's definitely been solid in recent weeks - maybe a sign of things to come, but he still seems rather mediocre to me at roughly 1K yards.
 
I think you gotta put Bowe in the camp of Hillis and McFadden. No one thinks he'll keep it up (the tide is turning on Hillis and McFadden though) so his value is not where it should be. I think he's a hold and you should be happy with that. He was drafted to be WR2 or WR3 in some cases and he's putting up WR1 numbers right now. I'm surprised he hasn't been mentioned much on these forums after his last 5 weeks, while guys Ajirotutu and D. Alexander are being hyped to death.

With that said, if you can get Calvin for him, how can you not be happy.

At one point I tried to ship him off for Fitz and didn't get a nibble, in hindsight I'm quite happy I didn't.

 
I've been very impressed with Bowe this year. Not only does he look like Omar Little, but I think he might be starting to show the coaching staff that he can be relied on for more targets per game. In a weird way, I also think that having a subpar QB like Cassel partially benefits him, because Cassel frequently seems to just lock on to him and try and force him the ball, which only helps Bowe's fantasy numbers.

 
Two weeks ago I traded Bowe and Green-Ellis (who usually was on my bench) for Nicks. I still like it, but we'll see.

 
A good sidebar to this thread....If you have sold Bowe, what value are you getting?I did this deal 3 weeks ago:Gave:Best/Bowe/TorainforGot:Charles/CalvinI still love it, but I might feel different if Best was still in Week 2 form.
I highly doubt this is a real trade. Charles is far better than Best and Calvin is in another stratosphere. Calvin is the BEST fantasy WRs, especially in dynasty, in fantasy football. Torain is irrelevant. If it went through, good for you, but i just can't see anyone giving up 1st and 2nd round talent for 5th and 6th round talent, + 9th level talent in Torain. And i have 3 fantasy football teams and own Calvin, Best, Bowe and Torain, so i don't think i'm being biased.
Here ya go:Drunk, not Stupid / Polk High TD Machine Trade * Drunk, not Stupid gave up Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Dwyer, Jonathan PIT RB;Johnson, Calvin DET WR * Polk High TD Machine gave up Best, Jahvid DET RB;Torain, Ryan WAS RB;Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR Mon Oct 18 10:08:32 p.m. ET 2010It was before Best started putting up garbage and Week 2 was still fresh in mind. Bowe had just had a big game. Torain had 100/2 TDs that week. Did I get a great deal? Of course. I sold high.ETA: I can't take you seriously when you call Jahvid Best 5th or 6th round talent.
 
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i got bowe and benson for a 1st 2nd 3rd round pick next year in my ppr dynasty.....we have 25 spots and drop 5 every year for the rookie draft...i still have 5 picks and glad i did the trade...payin off now...

btw the first round pick is probably between 6-12 so its like i got bowe with that first rounder

 
Another 6/109/2 today. For those of you that said "he can't keep it up"....where do you stand now?

You can't simply turn your head and ignore what he's doing. All of the knocks on him (concentration, maturity, laziness) seem to be in the rearview mirror.

 
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The only real knocks on him are lack of elite speed, concentration and a meh QB.

The first and last of those won't change any time soon, but the concentration seems to have improved a bunch from previous years. He's had a couple drops but so has every great WR. He's catching everything else, and has been unstoppable after the catch and in the redzone. The speed is generally a bit overrated - he seperates with regularity, and gets open down the field a fair bit.

Haley is sorta douchey when it comes to the RBs, but there's no questioning his work with WRs. Lynch and Pitts spent half the game today talking about Fitzgerald's praise of Haley.

 
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The only real knocks on him are lack of elite speed, concentration and a meh QB.The first and last of those won't change any time soon, but the concentration seems to have improved a bunch from previous years. He's had a couple drops but so has every great WR. He's catching everything else, and has been unstoppable after the catch and in the redzone. The speed is generally a bit overrated - he seperates with regularity, and gets open down the field a fair bit. Haley is sorta douchey when it comes to the RBs, but there's no questioning his work with WRs. Lynch and Pitts spent half the game today talking about Fitzgerald's praise of Haley.
Agreed. If you can get open, no need to be able to burn a DB for a 90 yard score. And Bowe can get open. He reminds me of Roddy White in that way. He's physical and uses his body well to get separation.Being a target machine, I knew he'd be a good bet in PPR leagues even with a low catch %. The thing that has been more than a pleasant surprise has been how amazing he's been in the red zone, which you pointed out. The TD numbers he is putting up are insane. 10 TDs in the last 6 games? How is he not getting more pub in FF circles? He's only 26 and this is just his 4th year. He was a 1st round pick and has put up some fairly good numbers in the past. It's not like he came out of nowhere. This isn't a fluke. Jump on board.Oh...updated pace....72/1144/17and your current WR5.ETA: Was curious to Bowe's 40 time, so I looked it up. He ran a 4.40 at his LSU pro day. While that may be a bit kind, that's much faster than I thought he was.
 
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