Dynasty- Guys you're giving up on (1 Viewer)

[NorrisB]

An important part of dynasty is when to get rid of the crap. Lets discuss what garbage you're getting of.

These guys here:

straight cuts:

Laurence Maroney

Steve Slaton

Josh Morgan

Shawn Nelson

Jared Cook

Derrick Mason

Carnell Williams

MB3

Alex Smith

Donald Driver

Brian Robiskie

Jabar Gaffney

Roy Williams

Early Doucet

Clinton Portis

Sell for a loss

Ronnie Brown

Steve Smith (Carolina) Totally useless to both rebuilding teams and win now teams he's like WR60 on my list

Pierre Garcon-

Lee Evans

Aaron Hernandez

Beanie Wells

Cedric Benson

Eddie Royal

Malcolm Floyd

 

[Pickle Rody]

I don't know if I'd be ready to give up on Wells just yet - even for a slight loss. Other than that, your lists look about right. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any others to add to it right now....but I'm sure there are more.

 

[omahabrad]

Donald Brown is one I'm starting to have a hard time talking myself into keeping him on the roster

 

[NorrisB]

Actually been buying on donald brown

 

[TheWick]

why sell already on Hernandez? Most skilled young pass catcher on the team...it'll happen sooner or later.

 

[bulger2holt]

wells has an easy FF playoff schedule. He is worth keeping for an emergency basis. Me is getting healthier by the day too. He ran well last week.

 

[s&m]

I outright cut M Barber a couple of weeks ago, Caddy williams is next on my list. Willing to consider selling low on MSW and S Smith.

 

[NorrisB]

I outright cut M Barber a couple of weeks ago, Caddy williams is next on my list. Willing to consider selling low on MSW and S Smith.

oh yeah forgot about those guys, reminds me of Ronnie Brown. To make a long story short Hernandez is useless with both Gronk and Welker on the team and that wont change for a long time. As for Wells he's too tall and always going to be on the injury report+Hightower owns him on third down.

 

[mr roboto]

why sell already on Hernandez? Most skilled young pass catcher on the team...it'll happen sooner or later.

Selling on a rookie 1/2 the way through the first year is crazy. I know the pats targets are maddening. It's a flavor of the week deal. If you really wanna sell him, and didn't do it a month ago, wait till he has a couple good games in a row or until the preseason hype train shows up. Selling now is the worst idea.

 

[Chimp Magnet]

Anthony Gonzales

Alex Smith

Donald Driver

Brian Robiskie

Malcolm Floyd

Eddie Royal

Jabar Gaffney

Roy Williams

Early Doucet

Pierre Garçon

Getting close

Marion Barber

Joseph Addai

Justin Forsett

 

[NorrisB]

why sell already on Hernandez? Most skilled young pass catcher on the team...it'll happen sooner or later.

Selling on a rookie 1/2 the way through the first year is crazy. I know the pats targets are maddening. It's a flavor of the week deal. If you really wanna sell him, and didn't do it a month ago, wait till he has a couple good games in a row or until the preseason hype train shows up. Selling now is the worst idea.

You could go that route, but you can probably get something good for him now, there's gotta be a Bloom or a Waldman in your league who will give you Gronk or a nice draft pick.

 

[NorrisB]

Anthony GonzalesAlex SmithDonald DriverBrian RobiskieMalcolm FloydEddie RoyalJabar GaffneyRoy WilliamsEarly DoucetPierre Garçon Getting closeMarion BarberJoseph AddaiJustin Forsett

Thats a nice list there mostly cuts

 

[Portis 26]

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

I wouldn't get rid of all those guys just yet in dynasty. Some of them are perfectly serviceable backups or bye week fillers.

I am in a ton of dynasty leagues and I've been in dynasty for over a decade. And if I would make one simple point about dynasty, it's that folks are over-obsessed with youth. Draft picks are over-rated, young players are over-rated and so on. Those teams that are trying to rebuild, that cut all their older players and pick up a bunch of young guys, they're usually still rebuilding 5 years later.

In most of my leagues I usually make the playoffs and I'm usually drafting late and I never get the great young players picked at the beginning of the first round, but I manage to keep on winning by picking up players other teams have discarded a bit too early, or combing the waiver wire, or drafting sleepers. I'm not saying the strategy works for everyone, but it does work for me.

 

[flc735]

im still buying heavy on green and brown. the only change with brown is i am also buying hart for next year.

i stayed away from wells but if i had him, i think his value is a little too low right now to sell. he is capable of stringing 2 good games together at some point. most likely weeks 1 and 2 next year, that would be the time to sell on him. same thing with garcon.

floyd

addai

mb3

lynch

whitehurst

and a lot of the the players mentioned already.

the only concerning part is that TO and LT were on this list for me last year

 

[Chimp Magnet]

Anthony GonzalesAlex SmithDonald DriverBrian RobiskieMalcolm FloydEddie RoyalJabar GaffneyRoy WilliamsEarly DoucetPierre Garçon Getting closeMarion BarberJoseph AddaiJustin Forsett

Thats a nice list there mostly cuts

Tell me about it.

 

[NorrisB]

im still buying heavy on green and brown. the only change with brown is i am also buying hart for next year.i stayed away from wells but if i had him, i think his value is a little too low right now to sell. he is capable of stringing 2 good games together at some point. most likely weeks 1 and 2 next year, that would be the time to sell on him. same thing with garcon.floydaddaimb3lynchwhitehurstand a lot of the the players mentioned already.the only concerning part is that TO and LT were on this list for me last year

The idea though is that you've already given on them its just a question of as to when? Im definitely waiting to dump Garcon but Ive made up my mind he's a goner.

 

[duaneok66]

In a 12 teamer with 20 spots . . .

holding onto Garcon and Barber . . .

Garcon had a decent year last year and he still has Manning, and most importantly (for now) is a starter and deep threat on that team - all that is enough for me to keep him on the roster . . .

Barber stinks but he's still an RB with an (now unwarranted) rep for getting tough yards, maybe he finds a home on a team next year with a better OL . . .

 

[Portis 26]

I don't know what Floyd is doing on that list. He's had some huge games this year. OK, he's been hurt too, but the underlying value is significant. Same for Garcon. Just because he's been hurt doesn't mean you give up on him. He's a young, talented WR on a dynamic offense. Hernandez has massive future value. Wells likewise. Just needs to stay healthy.

Mason, Driver, Williams, Evans, MBIII, Ronnie Brown - ok, they're on the downside. But they're useful reserves. I wouldn't cut them outright.

Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet. Benson - if they recommit to the run next year he could be big. Too early to drop him. Wait and see what happens with the coach in Denver before getting rid of Royal. He's very talented, just needs to be in the right offense.

I do agree about Maroney, Slaton, Morgan, Nelson and Cook.

Robiskie and Doucet aren't quite busts yet. Robiskie because he's still young, Doucet because of a variety of other factors, including their QB situation. I agree that neither has significant value though.

 

[jwb]

This is the hardest part of dynasty. And the reason it's so hard is some of the guys on your drop list are going to win championships for people in 4 years.

 

[sports_fan]

I'm tempted to give Chaz Schilens the boot. Guy just can't stay healthy. But maybe the Raiders will finally put him on the IR so I don't have to cut him.

 

[NorrisB]

I'm tempted to give Chaz Schilens the boot. Guy just can't stay healthy. But maybe the Raiders will finally put him on the IR so I don't have to cut him.

I gave up on that guy after last season

 

[omahabrad]

Actually been buying on donald brown

I understand why you are buying him? To me it looks like he's struggling to hold onto the rb3 spot. If he has shown the colts anything it's that they need to resign Addai or look for someone else.

 

[NorrisB]

I don't know what Floyd is doing on that list. He's had some huge games this year. OK, he's been hurt too, but the underlying value is significant. Same for Garcon. Just because he's been hurt doesn't mean you give up on him. He's a young, talented WR on a dynamic offense. Hernandez has massive future value. Wells likewise. Just needs to stay healthy.Mason, Driver, Williams, Evans, MBIII, Ronnie Brown - ok, they're on the downside. But they're useful reserves. I wouldn't cut them outright.Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet. Benson - if they recommit to the run next year he could be big. Too early to drop him. Wait and see what happens with the coach in Denver before getting rid of Royal. He's very talented, just needs to be in the right offense.I do agree about Maroney, Slaton, Morgan, Nelson and Cook.Robiskie and Doucet aren't quite busts yet. Robiskie because he's still young, Doucet because of a variety of other factors, including their QB situation. I agree that neither has significant value though.

Garcon has stone hands, Floyd is made of fine china, both are definitely deserving of this list

 

[NorrisB]

Actually been buying on donald brown

I understand why you are buying him? To me it looks like he's struggling to hold onto the rb3 spot. If he has shown the colts anything it's that they need to resign Addai or look for someone else.

Addai is gone and Brown actually looked decent, looks like he's getting healthy. He's a complete back and in a great offense.

 

[jesseasi]

Anyone want to weigh in on Tony Gonzalez?

I am thinking about dumping him. Age is obvious. His receptions, targets, redzone targets - all seem to be way way down. I don't understand it, but maybe he just isn't getting open anymore.

Thinking about just out right cutting him. Missed out on Graham two weeks ago. Thinking about picking up Dreessen before someone else snatches him up.

 

[duaneok66]

Actually been buying on donald brown

I understand why you are buying him? To me it looks like he's struggling to hold onto the rb3 spot. If he has shown the colts anything it's that they need to resign Addai or look for someone else.

Addai is gone and Brown actually looked decent, looks like he's getting healthy. He's a complete back and in a great offense.

we are talking Dynasty here - Addai will probably be resigned since Brown has been mediocre . . .

 

[Portis 26]

I don't know what Floyd is doing on that list. He's had some huge games this year. OK, he's been hurt too, but the underlying value is significant. Same for Garcon. Just because he's been hurt doesn't mean you give up on him. He's a young, talented WR on a dynamic offense. Hernandez has massive future value. Wells likewise. Just needs to stay healthy.Mason, Driver, Williams, Evans, MBIII, Ronnie Brown - ok, they're on the downside. But they're useful reserves. I wouldn't cut them outright.Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet. Benson - if they recommit to the run next year he could be big. Too early to drop him. Wait and see what happens with the coach in Denver before getting rid of Royal. He's very talented, just needs to be in the right offense.I do agree about Maroney, Slaton, Morgan, Nelson and Cook.Robiskie and Doucet aren't quite busts yet. Robiskie because he's still young, Doucet because of a variety of other factors, including their QB situation. I agree that neither has significant value though.

Garcon has stone hands, Floyd is made of fine china, both are definitely deserving of this list

You can't give up on a player who had a game with 8 catches for 213 yards and a TD this season. Well, you could, but it wouldn't be very wise.

 

[massraider]

I don't know what Floyd is doing on that list. He's had some huge games this year. OK, he's been hurt too, but the underlying value is significant. Same for Garcon. Just because he's been hurt doesn't mean you give up on him. He's a young, talented WR on a dynamic offense. Hernandez has massive future value. Wells likewise. Just needs to stay healthy.Mason, Driver, Williams, Evans, MBIII, Ronnie Brown - ok, they're on the downside. But they're useful reserves. I wouldn't cut them outright.Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet. Benson - if they recommit to the run next year he could be big. Too early to drop him. Wait and see what happens with the coach in Denver before getting rid of Royal. He's very talented, just needs to be in the right offense.I do agree about Maroney, Slaton, Morgan, Nelson and Cook.Robiskie and Doucet aren't quite busts yet. Robiskie because he's still young, Doucet because of a variety of other factors, including their QB situation. I agree that neither has significant value though.

Garcon has stone hands, Floyd is made of fine china, both are definitely deserving of this list

You can't give up on a player who had a game with 8 catches for 213 yards and a TD this season. Well, you could, but it wouldn't be very wise.

Pretty decent chance he is Phillip Rivers' #1 target moving forward. Think I'll hang onto him a bit more.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Actually been buying on donald brown

I understand why you are buying him? To me it looks like he's struggling to hold onto the rb3 spot. If he has shown the colts anything it's that they need to resign Addai or look for someone else.

Addai is gone and Brown actually looked decent, looks like he's getting healthy. He's a complete back and in a great offense.

Addai may be gone, but Brown is not a complete back-- at least not a good one. He's very mediocre, and despite this latest game where he overachieved a bit, he's not shown anything (with almost 2 years to do it) to prove that he can be the long-term answer for the Colts. To me he's a sell candidate as his value wll not be any higher than it is right now to the folks who believe as you do.

 

[domvin]

I like the Donald Brown call. When he has been healthy, he actually has been productive. He just needs to get healthy. Indy does not run the ball a ton, but the offense can make a starting rb good enough for ten tds, which is solid as an RB2.

I am actually picking up Slaton. Tate will healthy next year, and they will most likely let Slaton move on. Some of his fumbling problems were related to his neck injury.

I like the fact that he has had success in the past. What I don't like, and have no idea of knowing is if he will ever be truly healthy. That surgery he had was pretty serious, but they gave him a clean bill....

 

[carnac]

Just dropped R. Moss earlier this week. He was #4 WR for me and just got tired of watching him trot half heartedly in his routes. So now Collie is my #4 WR and have TO, Austin and Lloyd as starters. Keeping an eye on the Collie situation.

 

[Riffraff]

Just wanted to add that just because Addai may not be with the Colts next year, he will be with some team. He's not retiring. He still has value, just an unknown quantity right now. Guys like this can be great value plays for depth and trade bait later.

 

[gotexansgo]

straight cuts:Jared CookJabar GaffneyEarly DoucetSell for a lossRonnie BrownPierre Garcon- Lee EvansAaron HernandezBeanie WellsCedric BensonEddie RoyalMalcolm Floyd

Disagree with all of these. To early to cut bait on a lot of these..some heading into FA, would be wise to see where they land before selling them. Others still have loads of potential.

 

[JohnnyU]

why sell already on Hernandez? Most skilled young pass catcher on the team...it'll happen sooner or later.

Selling on a rookie 1/2 the way through the first year is crazy. I know the pats targets are maddening. It's a flavor of the week deal. If you really wanna sell him, and didn't do it a month ago, wait till he has a couple good games in a row or until the preseason hype train shows up. Selling now is the worst idea.

:this:

 

[JohnnyU]

:microwavesocietyatwork:

 

[King of the Jungle]

All depends on roster size. Many of the listed are on waiver in my 18 deep 12 teamer. Can only hang onto so long with having to keep a defense and kicker.

 

[duaneok66]

All depends on roster size. Many of the listed are on waiver in my 18 deep 12 teamer. Can only hang onto so long with having to keep a defense and kicker.

you are right - depends on roster size I am in a 12 team (20 deep) and almost all those guys are rostered . . .

 

[SpineDoc]

Actually been buying on donald brown

I understand why you are buying him? To me it looks like he's struggling to hold onto the rb3 spot. If he has shown the colts anything it's that they need to resign Addai or look for someone else.

Addai is gone and Brown actually looked decent, looks like he's getting healthy. He's a complete back and in a great offense.

Complete back? Really?

 

[hostile]

All depends on roster size. Many of the listed are on waiver in my 18 deep 12 teamer. Can only hang onto so long with having to keep a defense and kicker.

Agreed. Smallest roster size league I play in is 26, largest is 35 - every player in this thread is rostered - but I do agree with why (nearly all) of these guys are listed.My personal pet peeve out of all these guys is Maroney. They guy was solid last year when he was starting, fumbled a couple of times, and has since disappeared.

 

[Ranethe]

straight cuts:Jared CookJabar GaffneyEarly DoucetSell for a lossRonnie BrownPierre Garcon- Lee EvansAaron HernandezBeanie WellsCedric BensonEddie RoyalMalcolm Floyd

Disagree with all of these. To early to cut bait on a lot of these..some heading into FA, would be wise to see where they land before selling them. Others still have loads of potential.

Crazy list for a dynasty...unless it's a 10 team dynasty. I have a few of those guys rostered now in 2 dynasties, and I'd roster every one if I could get them. Course, 16 teams, but even less they should all be rostered.

 

[BeTheMatch]

 

[NorrisB]

straight cuts:Jared CookJabar GaffneyEarly DoucetSell for a lossRonnie BrownPierre Garcon- Lee EvansAaron HernandezBeanie WellsCedric BensonEddie RoyalMalcolm Floyd

Disagree with all of these. To early to cut bait on a lot of these..some heading into FA, would be wise to see where they land before selling them. Others still have loads of potential.

Crazy list for a dynasty...unless it's a 10 team dynasty. I have a few of those guys rostered now in 2 dynasties, and I'd roster every one if I could get them. Course, 16 teams, but even less they should all be rostered.

sell for a loss means trade, comprende senior?

 

[Ranethe]

I don't know what Floyd is doing on that list. He's had some huge games this year. OK, he's been hurt too, but the underlying value is significant. Same for Garcon. Just because he's been hurt doesn't mean you give up on him. He's a young, talented WR on a dynamic offense. Hernandez has massive future value. Wells likewise. Just needs to stay healthy.Mason, Driver, Williams, Evans, MBIII, Ronnie Brown - ok, they're on the downside. But they're useful reserves. I wouldn't cut them outright.Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet. Benson - if they recommit to the run next year he could be big. Too early to drop him. Wait and see what happens with the coach in Denver before getting rid of Royal. He's very talented, just needs to be in the right offense.I do agree about Maroney, Slaton, Morgan, Nelson and Cook.Robiskie and Doucet aren't quite busts yet. Robiskie because he's still young, Doucet because of a variety of other factors, including their QB situation. I agree that neither has significant value though.

Agree with all of this.

 

[Ranethe]

straight cuts:Jared CookJabar GaffneyEarly DoucetSell for a lossRonnie BrownPierre Garcon- Lee EvansAaron HernandezBeanie WellsCedric BensonEddie RoyalMalcolm Floyd

Disagree with all of these. To early to cut bait on a lot of these..some heading into FA, would be wise to see where they land before selling them. Others still have loads of potential.

Crazy list for a dynasty...unless it's a 10 team dynasty. I have a few of those guys rostered now in 2 dynasties, and I'd roster every one if I could get them. Course, 16 teams, but even less they should all be rostered.

sell for a loss means trade, comprende senior?

comprende, still think it's crazy. Depends what you mean by sell for a loss I guess, since everyone values players differently.

 

[Ranethe]

straight cuts:Jared CookJabar GaffneyEarly DoucetSell for a lossRonnie BrownPierre Garcon- Lee EvansAaron HernandezBeanie WellsCedric BensonEddie RoyalMalcolm Floyd

Disagree with all of these. To early to cut bait on a lot of these..some heading into FA, would be wise to see where they land before selling them. Others still have loads of potential.

Crazy list for a dynasty...unless it's a 10 team dynasty. I have a few of those guys rostered now in 2 dynasties, and I'd roster every one if I could get them. Course, 16 teams, but even less they should all be rostered.

sell for a loss means trade, comprende senior?

comprende, still think it's crazy. Depends what you mean by sell for a loss I guess, since everyone values players differently.

And Gaffney and Doucet are not straight cuts, they'd be snapped up in my leagues if someone cut them outright. Again though, I like larger leagues, I guess I could see in smaller leagues.

 

[Steel Dillo]

Kenny Britt was a sell low for me.

Drafted him in the 1st round & thought I had a steal after the first yr. Then he decided to let his inner knucklehead show ... again.

Sold him for Reggie Bush straight up.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Whole lotta cutting bait in here. Nearly Every single one of these players are rostered in both of my dynasty leagues. Roster size is big factor. But I like the topic!

 

[FUBAR]

Big two I disagree with are Garcon and Cook. Depends what you can get for Garcon and what he cost, but I assumed "sell for a loss" means sell for less than you got him for, Garcon was pretty cheap if you got him early. I can't cut Cook yet either, I only have him in 2 leagues partly because I didn't expect much until year 3. He's shown even less than I thought he would but I won't give up on him yet. If you can trade him for something, go for it.

 

[puckalicious]

Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet.

How many years in a row can we keep saying this? Eventually he'll lose a step. I sold him for a mid 2nd rounder before this season when it was clear Carolina was not upgrading the QB.Guys I'm ready to give up on and trade for a loss (small roster dynasty)ierre ThomasJonathan StewartTashard ChoiceCarson Palmer (oops, already traded him for Sanchez)

 

[pghrob]

im still buying heavy on green and brown. the only change with brown is i am also buying hart for next year.

i stayed away from wells but if i had him, i think his value is a little too low right now to sell. he is capable of stringing 2 good games together at some point. most likely weeks 1 and 2 next year, that would be the time to sell on him. same thing with garcon.

floyd

addai

mb3

lynch

whitehurst

and a lot of the the players mentioned already.

the only concerning part is that TO and LT were on this list for me last year :(

I can't figure out who you are referring to on the player named Green that you reference in your post. Who is that?