Dynasty- Guys you're giving up on (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

im still buying heavy on green and brown. the only change with brown is i am also buying hart for next year.

i stayed away from wells but if i had him, i think his value is a little too low right now to sell. he is capable of stringing 2 good games together at some point. most likely weeks 1 and 2 next year, that would be the time to sell on him. same thing with garcon.

floyd

addai

mb3

lynch

whitehurst

and a lot of the the players mentioned already.

the only concerning part is that TO and LT were on this list for me last year

I can't figure out who you are referring to on the player named Green that you reference in your post. Who is that?

I assume he left out the last e - Greene.

 

[fsufan]

Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet.

How many years in a row can we keep saying this? Eventually he'll lose a step. I sold him for a mid 2nd rounder before this season when it was clear Carolina was not upgrading the QB.Guys I'm ready to give up on and trade for a loss (small roster dynasty):

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Tashard Choice

Carson Palmer (oops, already traded him for Sanchez)

no way i would give up on Stewart. he will get the chance to be the #1 in Carolina in 2011

 

[doubletrouble]

Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet.

How many years in a row can we keep saying this? Eventually he'll lose a step. I sold him for a mid 2nd rounder before this season when it was clear Carolina was not upgrading the QB.Guys I'm ready to give up on and trade for a loss (small roster dynasty):

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Tashard Choice

Carson Palmer (oops, already traded him for Sanchez)

no way i would give up on Stewart. he will get the chance to be the #1 in Carolina in 2011

He had his chance to be the #1 guy this year...he is who we thought he was.

 

[Frank Costanza's Lawyer]

Steve Smith is hampered by his QB. If they get a QB next year he still has some value. He's not done yet.

How many years in a row can we keep saying this? Eventually he'll lose a step. I sold him for a mid 2nd rounder before this season when it was clear Carolina was not upgrading the QB.Guys I'm ready to give up on and trade for a loss (small roster dynasty):

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Tashard Choice

Carson Palmer (oops, already traded him for Sanchez)

no way i would give up on Stewart. he will get the chance to be the #1 in Carolina in 2011

He had his chance to be the #1 guy this year...he is who we thought he was.

I can understand the negative reactions to the hype Stewart receives around here, but this comment makes no sense.

 

[duaneok66]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .

Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

 

[hostile]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

Otoh... I'm loving all of the "stewart is crap" talk... It just shows the guppies are starting to bail. I will be buying like crazy this offseason, even right now if I can...

 

[duaneok66]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

Otoh... I'm loving all of the "stewart is crap" talk... It just shows the guppies are starting to bail. I will be buying like crazy this offseason, even right now if I can...

good luck to you - I am a Goodson owner but I know he will be on the bench next year - the guy in my league that has Stewart won't trade him, and for good reason . . .

 

[Spark026]

Good topic.

I've got big rosters, but these are the guys I've given up on this year:

Jared Cook - Even if he actually won the startin job, I don't see elite #s ever happenin in that offense.

Brandon Tate - I just dropped him this past week, in favor of Mike Goodsen. Doubt he ever gets enough targets to become fantasy relevant.

Alex Smith - He really couldnt have played much worse before the injury. If this isnt the nail, I don't know what is...

Stephen Gostkowski - I hated to do it, but I just can't carry a injured kicker in hopes he gets his old job back. Besides I picked up Matt Bryant.

Trent Edwards - Dropped him for Fitzpatrick the week before the switch, not regreting that one.

Players I want to drop, but can't pull the trigger:

Marshawn Lynch - I was excited about the move, until I realized how bad SEA run blocking is, but the amount of fumbles with limited carries is truly worrisome.

Tashard Choice - I'm starting to think coaches hype is all this guy has going for him. If actions speak louder than words, then perhaps we've all been holding on to this guy for nothing. I still feel like I have to give him next off-season before the guillotine falls.

Available players I could get instead of the above two:

Ben Obamanua - I actually watched this kid in high school, so he's even got sentimental value, but I can't say I see him retaining WR1 duties for long enough to be fantasy relevant. but hey, if Brandon Lloyd can breakout at 29yrs of age, who knows...

Blair White - Apparently WR3 is the position to be in IND, as no matter who it is they're avg like 1.5 tds a week. But getting any idea of talent lvl from this situation is near impossible.

Pick-ups this season, that are still on team:

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Michael Bush(via trade of Ronnie Brown, early season)

LeGarrette Blount

Keiland Williams

Mike Goodsen

Lions D/ST - I think they might surprise next year, and will try to hold the roster spot for them. My Ravens D is aging :(

Matt Bryant

 

[stp-d]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

Otoh... I'm loving all of the "stewart is crap" talk... It just shows the guppies are starting to bail. I will be buying like crazy this offseason, even right now if I can...

For all us guppies not buying into the Stewart hype, please explain to us how Jonathan Stewart is a top 10 Dynasty RB, as many in here believe him to be? FactsWILL should be gone next yearStewart 69-208-1, 5/85/1Goodson 61-270-0, 25/184/0I definately don't agree with cutting him, but for those who believe he is 1 tier below guys Like MJD, CJ, ADP, Gore & Rice is beyond me. Stewart has looked absolutely terrible is in 2010 opportunities. I've watched his games and i don't see it. You can argue that the offensive line & QB play has contributed to his low ypc, but when does it become about the RB's inability to make plays? Top 25 dynasty RB value probably, top 10 is a joke.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Actually been buying on donald brown

I understand why you are buying him? To me it looks like he's struggling to hold onto the rb3 spot. If he has shown the colts anything it's that they need to resign Addai or look for someone else.

Addai is gone and Brown actually looked decent, looks like he's getting healthy. He's a complete back and in a great offense.

Complete back? Really?

this

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

Otoh... I'm loving all of the "stewart is crap" talk... It just shows the guppies are starting to bail. I will be buying like crazy this offseason, even right now if I can...

For all us guppies not buying into the Stewart hype, please explain to us how Jonathan Stewart is a top 10 Dynasty RB, as many in here believe him to be? FactsWILL should be gone next yearStewart 69-208-1, 5/85/1Goodson 61-270-0, 25/184/0I definately don't agree with cutting him, but for those who believe he is 1 tier below guys Like MJD, CJ, ADP, Gore & Rice is beyond me. Stewart has looked absolutely terrible is in 2010 opportunities. I've watched his games and i don't see it. You can argue that the offensive line & QB play has contributed to his low ypc, but when does it become about the RB's inability to make plays? Top 25 dynasty RB value probably, top 10 is a joke.

I was ripped all over the place this summer for my anti- Stewart sentiment but reaped the benefits of all the Stewart love in my leagues. Funny how Mike Goodson manages to be productive in the same rotten circumstances.

 

[Inspiration]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

Otoh... I'm loving all of the "stewart is crap" talk... It just shows the guppies are starting to bail. I will be buying like crazy this offseason, even right now if I can...

For all us guppies not buying into the Stewart hype, please explain to us how Jonathan Stewart is a top 10 Dynasty RB, as many in here believe him to be? FactsWILL should be gone next yearStewart 69-208-1, 5/85/1Goodson 61-270-0, 25/184/0I definately don't agree with cutting him, but for those who believe he is 1 tier below guys Like MJD, CJ, ADP, Gore & Rice is beyond me. Stewart has looked absolutely terrible is in 2010 opportunities. I've watched his games and i don't see it. You can argue that the offensive line & QB play has contributed to his low ypc, but when does it become about the RB's inability to make plays? Top 25 dynasty RB value probably, top 10 is a joke.

I'm not sure why a sample of 8 games and 69 carries is more indicative of his ability than the 32 games and 405 carries from his two previous NFL seasons.

 

[stp-d]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

Otoh... I'm loving all of the "stewart is crap" talk... It just shows the guppies are starting to bail. I will be buying like crazy this offseason, even right now if I can...

For all us guppies not buying into the Stewart hype, please explain to us how Jonathan Stewart is a top 10 Dynasty RB, as many in here believe him to be? FactsWILL should be gone next yearStewart 69-208-1, 5/85/1Goodson 61-270-0, 25/184/0I definately don't agree with cutting him, but for those who believe he is 1 tier below guys Like MJD, CJ, ADP, Gore & Rice is beyond me. Stewart has looked absolutely terrible is in 2010 opportunities. I've watched his games and i don't see it. You can argue that the offensive line & QB play has contributed to his low ypc, but when does it become about the RB's inability to make plays? Top 25 dynasty RB value probably, top 10 is a joke.

I'm not sure why a sample of 8 games and 69 carries is more indicative of his ability than the 32 games and 405 carries from his two previous NFL seasons.

i didn't state the 8 games is the real indicator of value, however it would be absurd to leave it out of the evaluation. Top 25 I'm on board, top 10 I want to know why?

 

[ebaughn]

I've finally cut bait with:

1. Barber

2. Evans

3. Ricky

Added from the waiver wire

1. Arrelious Benn

2. Vick

3. James Jones

4. Mannigham (will probably cut after other NYG WR come back later in the year)

5. Choice

6. james Davis(lottery ticket)

7. Dimitri Nance (even bigger lottery ticket)

8. Jimmy Graham

I just wanted to change things up. Tired of up & downs with Evans. And it seems like barber is not the back he was.

Hopefully some of these guys (besides Vick) turns into something useful.

 

[Todem]

One man's trash is another man's treasure.I wouldn't get rid of all those guys just yet in dynasty. Some of them are perfectly serviceable backups or bye week fillers.I am in a ton of dynasty leagues and I've been in dynasty for over a decade. And if I would make one simple point about dynasty, it's that folks are over-obsessed with youth. Draft picks are over-rated, young players are over-rated and so on. Those teams that are trying to rebuild, that cut all their older players and pick up a bunch of young guys, they're usually still rebuilding 5 years later.In most of my leagues I usually make the playoffs and I'm usually drafting late and I never get the great young players picked at the beginning of the first round, but I manage to keep on winning by picking up players other teams have discarded a bit too early, or combing the waiver wire, or drafting sleepers. I'm not saying the strategy works for everyone, but it does work for me.

It's drafts when you can land Chris Johnson at number 8.9 or 10 in 12 teams leagues or an MJD in the second round too many to list actually.But yeah I scoop up vets all the time or young guys that owners gave up on too quick and then end up being very serviceable players for years. One guy who has shown nothing is Jared Cook. I still have him rostered in a lot of leagues....but we are getting to a point now that he will be cut soon.

 

[crnerblitz]

Managing a dynasty roster is one of the hardest aspects of dynasty play. It requires a proficency at scouting, waiver aquisition and planning future needs. It really is about resource management as roster spots are your greatest resource. You cannot pickup high risk/high reward free agents if you do not have your roster in order. You cannot take fliers on 3rd round rookie picks if your roster is saddled with inert players. Players that are just there. Little real prospect of ever helping your team win a championship, but there they are sucking up your roster mobility.

These inert players come in all shapes and sizes. 2 years past flash in the pans, underpreforming high draft choices that linger too long in mediocrity, The fragile young kid who cant stay healthy, the aged veteren long in the tooth but can still be marginal help in your lineup, and even just worthless chumps who are the complete suck.

These guys are like roster poison. They stop you from making moves. I can hear you now. 'But Josh Morgan* has some value dude. I cant just cut him!' Sure you can. No-one is spam-bot'n your email to trade for this guy. Actually you hope some other sucker picks his worthless carcass up and rosters him for 2 years. Happy Day! While he is wasting space being inert on your roster you couldn't pick up Steve Johnson cause you just didn't have the room.

Find those players holding back your team and get rid of them. Sure you will have a regret or two. But usually not for too long. 2009 preseason I cut MSW and Tony Scheffler because I decided that both those guys were too fragile to ever really help me be a champion. I've regretted it one or twice but I'm mostly very happy with the decision. It gave me room to add other players, and while those players I cut them for may not have worked out either, it gave me roster flexibility at those slots allowing me to move on from guys who I thought were not going to be solid starters on my championship team. Perhaps marginal starters. How many marginal starters help you win a championship? How hard is it to get a marginal starter in the waivers?

I try to keep two roster slots open at the bottom of my roster. Not literally open. They contain my flavor of the month or season. I churn them slots several times over the course of a year. Sometimes it might be as a bye week PK but mainly it is so that when I think I have a player who might bust wide open I can make sure he is on my roster a Sunday or two before the entire league is scrambling to the waiver wire to get him.

Find and cut loose that dead weight. Make those tough decisions to roster players that will help you win a championship. That is what you pay you for!

* I may be wrong about him but odds are stacked against him. Bad QB's, Bad O, Bad team 3 other studs in front of him. He is the suck.

 

[NorrisB]

Managing a dynasty roster is one of the hardest aspects of dynasty play. It requires a proficency at scouting, waiver aquisition and planning future needs. It really is about resource management as roster spots are your greatest resource. You cannot pickup high risk/high reward free agents if you do not have your roster in order. You cannot take fliers on 3rd round rookie picks if your roster is saddled with inert players. Players that are just there. Little real prospect of ever helping your team win a championship, but there they are sucking up your roster mobility. These inert players come in all shapes and sizes. 2 years past flash in the pans, underpreforming high draft choices that linger too long in mediocrity, The fragile young kid who cant stay healthy, the aged veteren long in the tooth but can still be marginal help in your lineup, and even just worthless chumps who are the complete suck.These guys are like roster poison. They stop you from making moves. I can hear you now. 'But Josh Morgan* has some value dude. I cant just cut him!' Sure you can. No-one is spam-bot'n your email to trade for this guy. Actually you hope some other sucker picks his worthless carcass up and rosters him for 2 years. Happy Day! While he is wasting space being inert on your roster you couldn't pick up Steve Johnson cause you just didn't have the room. Find those players holding back your team and get rid of them. Sure you will have a regret or two. But usually not for too long. 2009 preseason I cut MSW and Tony Scheffler because I decided that both those guys were too fragile to ever really help me be a champion. I've regretted it one or twice but I'm mostly very happy with the decision. It gave me room to add other players, and while those players I cut them for may not have worked out either, it gave me roster flexibility at those slots allowing me to move on from guys who I thought were not going to be solid starters on my championship team. Perhaps marginal starters. How many marginal starters help you win a championship? How hard is it to get a marginal starter in the waivers? I try to keep two roster slots open at the bottom of my roster. Not literally open. They contain my flavor of the month or season. I churn them slots several times over the course of a year. Sometimes it might be as a bye week PK but mainly it is so that when I think I have a player who might bust wide open I can make sure he is on my roster a Sunday or two before the entire league is scrambling to the waiver wire to get him. Find and cut loose that dead weight. Make those tough decisions to roster players that will help you win a championship. That is what you pay you for!* I may be wrong about him but odds are stacked against him. Bad QB's, Bad O, Bad team 3 other studs in front of him. He is the suck.

 

[Kevrunner]

i didn't state the 8 games is the real indicator of value, however it would be absurd to leave it out of the evaluation. Top 25 I'm on board, top 10 I want to know why?

What RBs, in a non-PPR dynasty would you rather have then Stewart. This is my list:APCJMJDR. RiceMendenhallCharlesA. FosterMcCoyGoreS. JacksonGuys like Turner, McFadden, Matthews, Moreno, Wells, Forte, Spiller and even Peyton Hillis, I guess some will list them before Stewart but when push comes to shove, will they actually trade Stewart away straight up for one of them? I might, but I can't say with certainty, most of these guys have their history of injuries and are not too dependable as of yet.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I've held onto to Brown and released guys like B. Jackson, Tolbert, Goodson, and Ivory; they have all had a better season but I just don't see Addai playing heavily into Indy's run this year. The reason I've held onto Brown is still the same: when Addai's gone, he's the one left standing. I don't think Hart has really blown anyone away enough, that IND will go with him over Brown. Except for Tolbert/Jackson I don't think it cost me too much. The argument can be made that holding onto Brown might cost me a playoff spot in my league but the guy that really cost me is P. Thomas; I'll add his name as a dynasty player that it is hard to justify occupying a roster spot with. Every year Thomas is getting hurt and he is good enough for me to hold onto till he heals; but when I average out his weekly totals across all his down time he is not an asset. My only shot this year is limp into the playoffs and (hopefully) catch Thomas running big to earn his FA money. This kind of drama I don't need; I just as well assume to part ways with Thomas (but I don't know if I can).

 

[finfansteve]

Managing a dynasty roster is one of the hardest aspects of dynasty play. It requires a proficency at scouting, waiver aquisition and planning future needs. It really is about resource management as roster spots are your greatest resource. You cannot pickup high risk/high reward free agents if you do not have your roster in order. You cannot take fliers on 3rd round rookie picks if your roster is saddled with inert players. Players that are just there. Little real prospect of ever helping your team win a championship, but there they are sucking up your roster mobility. These inert players come in all shapes and sizes. 2 years past flash in the pans, underpreforming high draft choices that linger too long in mediocrity, The fragile young kid who cant stay healthy, the aged veteren long in the tooth but can still be marginal help in your lineup, and even just worthless chumps who are the complete suck.These guys are like roster poison. They stop you from making moves. I can hear you now. 'But Josh Morgan* has some value dude. I cant just cut him!' Sure you can. No-one is spam-bot'n your email to trade for this guy. Actually you hope some other sucker picks his worthless carcass up and rosters him for 2 years. Happy Day! While he is wasting space being inert on your roster you couldn't pick up Steve Johnson cause you just didn't have the room. Find those players holding back your team and get rid of them. Sure you will have a regret or two. But usually not for too long. 2009 preseason I cut MSW and Tony Scheffler because I decided that both those guys were too fragile to ever really help me be a champion. I've regretted it one or twice but I'm mostly very happy with the decision. It gave me room to add other players, and while those players I cut them for may not have worked out either, it gave me roster flexibility at those slots allowing me to move on from guys who I thought were not going to be solid starters on my championship team. Perhaps marginal starters. How many marginal starters help you win a championship? How hard is it to get a marginal starter in the waivers? I try to keep two roster slots open at the bottom of my roster. Not literally open. They contain my flavor of the month or season. I churn them slots several times over the course of a year. Sometimes it might be as a bye week PK but mainly it is so that when I think I have a player who might bust wide open I can make sure he is on my roster a Sunday or two before the entire league is scrambling to the waiver wire to get him. Find and cut loose that dead weight. Make those tough decisions to roster players that will help you win a championship. That is what you pay you for!* I may be wrong about him but odds are stacked against him. Bad QB's, Bad O, Bad team 3 other studs in front of him. He is the suck.

Excellent post all around

 

[Ranethe]

A lot of people here who don't understand the concept of "dynasty". I would do the old "I wish you were in my league" but that would be obnoxious.

So leave it at, in a dynasty you have to have some patience. particularly if you're in a larger dynasty league.

Dumping Jonathan Stewart? C'mon now. Yeah there is a threshold where you just can't afford the spot, but you have to read circumstances as well. Stop with the immediate...or 3 year...gratification.

Can say that with a lot of other players mentioned as well. Brandon Tate? You are really expecting immediate returns after 2 years? Deion Branch is really going to be around/stay healthy much longer? Play redraft for gods sakes. Could go on and on with some of the players mentioned here.

Again, depending on league/roster size.

 

[Steed]

I dropped Jacoby Jones long ago, can't say I've regretted it even for 1 second.

 

[pghrob]

im still buying heavy on green and brown. the only change with brown is i am also buying hart for next year.

i stayed away from wells but if i had him, i think his value is a little too low right now to sell. he is capable of stringing 2 good games together at some point. most likely weeks 1 and 2 next year, that would be the time to sell on him. same thing with garcon.

floyd

addai

mb3

lynch

whitehurst

and a lot of the the players mentioned already.

the only concerning part is that TO and LT were on this list for me last year

I can't figure out who you are referring to on the player named Green that you reference in your post. Who is that?

I assume he left out the last e - Greene.

Oh, man, that was so easy...I should've figured it out. Thanks for the memory boost.

 

[fruity pebbles]

A lot of people here who don't understand the concept of "dynasty". I would do the old "I wish you were in my league" but that would be obnoxious.So leave it at, in a dynasty you have to have some patience. particularly if you're in a larger dynasty league.Dumping Jonathan Stewart? C'mon now. Yeah there is a threshold where you just can't afford the spot, but you have to read circumstances as well. Stop with the immediate...or 3 year...gratification.Can say that with a lot of other players mentioned as well. Brandon Tate? You are really expecting immediate returns after 2 years? Deion Branch is really going to be around/stay healthy much longer? Play redraft for gods sakes. Could go on and on with some of the players mentioned here.Again, depending on league/roster size.

Tate cant catch. Hes just not that good imo.

 

[fsufan]

this thread is useful but some of the posts are nonsensical . . .Williams will be gone, Stewart is the lead back next year and Goodson/Sutton will back him up . . .

Otoh... I'm loving all of the "stewart is crap" talk... It just shows the guppies are starting to bail. I will be buying like crazy this offseason, even right now if I can...

Stewart is my #1 player to go after during the off season

 

[Ranethe]

A lot of people here who don't understand the concept of "dynasty". I would do the old "I wish you were in my league" but that would be obnoxious.So leave it at, in a dynasty you have to have some patience. particularly if you're in a larger dynasty league.Dumping Jonathan Stewart? C'mon now. Yeah there is a threshold where you just can't afford the spot, but you have to read circumstances as well. Stop with the immediate...or 3 year...gratification.Can say that with a lot of other players mentioned as well. Brandon Tate? You are really expecting immediate returns after 2 years? Deion Branch is really going to be around/stay healthy much longer? Play redraft for gods sakes. Could go on and on with some of the players mentioned here.Again, depending on league/roster size.

Tate cant catch. Hes just not that good imo.

I haven't noticed a pattern of drops, particularly since he hasn't had a lot of opportunity to this point. I know he had the bad drop on that deep post on Thanksgiving day but you can't conclude from that that he "can't catch", at least IMO. To each their own though as someone else said, that's what makes dynasty fun.