[DYNASTY] If you had Rudi (1 Viewer)

[Dope]

In one of my dynasty leagues (none of those guys know about this site thank goodness) I have Rudi Johnson (for RB's it's a non-PPR league).

How hard do I go after Perry?

Is he a Must-Have, a nice-Have, a don't worry, or a bum?

Right now I'm probably in the Nice-have camp

 

[-OZ-]

In one of my dynasty leagues (none of those guys know about this site thank goodness) I have Rudi Johnson (for RB's it's a non-PPR league).

How hard do I go after Perry?

Is he a Must-Have, a nice-Have, a don't worry, or a bum?

Right now I'm probably in the Nice-have camp

Nice to have. I like Perry a lot, but there are no "must haves" in FF.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think he's a guy to seek whether or not you have Rudi. He's just a shade behind Benson and ahead of Turner for the most likely current backup to eventually be a solid feature back.

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

 

[Dope]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners.  I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

I would consider Perry's value from a pure talent standpoint equal to a guy like Maroney (at least). He has had some durability issues, and you may have to wait for his production, where the rooks may get in the lineup right away, but perry owners will be rewarded for their patience. I would definitely think about 1.7 and 1.11 for perry and maybe a 2nd?

 

[wannabee]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners.  I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

I would consider Perry's value from a pure talent standpoint equal to a guy like Maroney (at least). He has had some durability issues, and you may have to wait for his production, where the rooks may get in the lineup right away, but perry owners will be rewarded for their patience. I would definitely think about 1.7 and 1.11 for perry and maybe a 2nd?

Agreed. I do not think paying 1.7 and 1.11 is that outrageous, especially if in a ppr league.

 

[Dope]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

I would consider Perry's value from a pure talent standpoint equal to a guy like Maroney (at least). He has had some durability issues, and you may have to wait for his production, where the rooks may get in the lineup right away, but perry owners will be rewarded for their patience. I would definitely think about 1.7 and 1.11 for perry and maybe a 2nd?

BAH! (LOL) I have my eye on Vernon Davis and Jay Cutler with the 1.7 and 1.11 picks.

Perry > VD & JayC?

 

[Dope]

It's not a PPR league...for RB's anyway.

It awards .5 PPR for WR's & TE's only.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners.  I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

I would consider Perry's value from a pure talent standpoint equal to a guy like Maroney (at least). He has had some durability issues, and you may have to wait for his production, where the rooks may get in the lineup right away, but perry owners will be rewarded for their patience. I would definitely think about 1.7 and 1.11 for perry and maybe a 2nd?

BAH! (LOL) I have my eye on Vernon Davis and Jay Cutler with the 1.7 and 1.11 picks.

Perry > VD & JayC?

Unless your league is start 2 QB or TE premium, Perry will be worth more than both combined if he hits.

 

[Dope]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

I would consider Perry's value from a pure talent standpoint equal to a guy like Maroney (at least). He has had some durability issues, and you may have to wait for his production, where the rooks may get in the lineup right away, but perry owners will be rewarded for their patience. I would definitely think about 1.7 and 1.11 for perry and maybe a 2nd?

BAH! (LOL) I have my eye on Vernon Davis and Jay Cutler with the 1.7 and 1.11 picks.

Perry > VD & JayC?

Unless your league is start 2 QB or TE premium, Perry will be worth more than both combined if he hits.

Hmmm. Really?perry is THAT good? I didn't think he was.

When is he going to see the field? Rudi is pretty damn tough. Is this a Lamont Jordan is waiting?

 

[-OZ-]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

I would consider Perry's value from a pure talent standpoint equal to a guy like Maroney (at least). He has had some durability issues, and you may have to wait for his production, where the rooks may get in the lineup right away, but perry owners will be rewarded for their patience. I would definitely think about 1.7 and 1.11 for perry and maybe a 2nd?

Just my but I'd put Perry above Maroney by a fair amount. Just on talent. Closer to DeAngelo Williams IMO, but maybe not quite.

I can easily see 2 late 1sts for Perry, but you won't get it.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Hmmm. Really?

perry is THAT good? I didn't think he was.

When is he going to see the field? Rudi is pretty damn tough. Is this a Lamont Jordan is waiting?

he's more than talented enough for some team to give him a shot as a feature back eventually. eventually is the key there, he may have to wait until his rookie contract runs out.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Just my but I'd put Perry above Maroney by a fair amount. Just on talent.

Closer to DeAngelo Williams IMO, but maybe not quite.

I can easily see 2 late 1sts for Perry, but you won't get it.

Yeah, I would tend to agree with that. I did say "at least" Maroney's level of talent. I threw that out there to illustrate that if you would trade 1.07 and 1.11 for 1.04 this year (slotting Maroney as #4), then you certainly have to take perry for 1.07 and 1.11.

 

[Keg]

I traded Drew Brees(right after he signed with NO to a team that didnt have a starting QB)

and I got

Chris Perry,(I own Rudi)

Trent Dilfers RFA Rights(I have FRYE)

David Greene(DTS)(I have hasslebeck and seneca)

fwiw: its a 16 team IDP Dynasty Salary Contract League(in my sigline) and I was able to retain Dilfer in rfa

 

[Dope]

I guess I'm balking a little because i could have had him last year for the 1.7.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[wannabee]

I guess I'm balking a little because i could have had him last year for the 1.7.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Who did you take instead? I would be willing to bet that many would rather have Perry than the players picked at 1.07 and 1.11 last year. Just because it is this year, we feel differently .... immediacy and it's effect. This time next year, we could very well say the same thing, " I should have take Perry versus the players I got at 1.07 and 1.11".

 

[-OZ-]

I guess I'm balking a little because i could have had him last year for the 1.7.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Who did you take instead? I would be willing to bet that many would rather have Perry than the players picked at 1.07 and 1.11 last year. Just because it is this year, we feel differently .... immediacy and it's effect. This time next year, we could very well say the same thing, " I should have take Perry versus the players I got at 1.07 and 1.11".

It might be league specific, but Mark Clayton went at 1.07 in mine last year. I know I couldn't get Clayton for Perry in that league, but in most it would be a fair trade.

I just don't see this year's crop as good in the late 1st.

 

[Dope]

I guess I'm balking a little because i could have had him last year for the 1.7.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Who did you take instead? I would be willing to bet that many would rather have Perry than the players picked at 1.07 and 1.11 last year. Just because it is this year, we feel differently .... immediacy and it's effect. This time next year, we could very well say the same thing, " I should have take Perry versus the players I got at 1.07 and 1.11".

Late last year I didn't know it was going to be the 1.7 and 1.11 picks.the deal was going to be Perry for the better of my two 2006 picks and I didn't want to do that...now it looks like you guys are saying I'd be crazy not to give up BOTH picks...and that stings, ya know?

I don't want this to turn into a "what should i do" thread.

 

[UnknownCoach]

If I had Rudi I'd trade him away immediately. His value is at its peak.

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

If I had Rudi I'd trade him away immediately. His value is at its peak.

This is an interesting take on the situation. Completely valid mind you. I think it's a valid argument in the sense that most people believe that Rudi Johnson has shown enough in the last couple of years to be considered a featurable runner in the NFL. If he gets the boot in Cincy, you can be pretty confident he'll land on his feet somewhere else. However, what if he's a "Travis Henry"?

Secondly, I think your proposition is wrong that his value is at its peak. If you had Rudi Johnson-Chris Perry quinella, you're riding a winner. I would imagine that at least one of those two will be featured at any given point (barring injury), and perhaps down the line, you could have two RBs starting (somebody gets traded/free agency etc).

 

[aposulli]

In one of my dynasty leagues (none of those guys know about this site thank goodness) I have Rudi Johnson (for RB's it's a non-PPR league).

How hard do I go after Perry?

Is he a Must-Have, a nice-Have, a don't worry, or a bum?

Right now I'm probably in the Nice-have camp

Are you so sure nobody knows about this site?Just kidding. I thought I was in the same boat too, but apprantly my leaguemates use this site too (at least the rankings part).

As a CP owner, without Rudi. I would trade him for market value (which IMO is pretty high since I took him 84th overall in a 16 team League (6th round). And that's with IDPs (see below)

Rookies I would trade him for (besides Bush): Vince Young, DeAngelo Williams if he ends up on the Colts or Broncos.

WRs I would trade him for: Lee Evans, Braylon Edwards

 

[Couch Potato]

If I had Rudi I'd trade him away immediately. His value is at its peak.

I don't know. Sometimes I think there are too many tradeaholics running around, always trying to be too cute and outguess the future. Usually these guys trade themselves right out of contention, discarding production for potential. I don't see the crime in just being happy to have RJ and plugging him into your lineup every week of the year rather than 'trade him away immediately' because 'his value is at its peak.' I sorta thought owning players at their peak was a good thing.

 

[TheCommish]

I traded DeShaun Foster for Chris Perry last year (dynasty league), and even though Foster had a better year, Perry should definitely be better long term. I just don't trust Foster. Oh, and I have Rudi Johnson, too. That was a BIG reason that I went for Perry. Gotta love that Bengals offensive line!

Did I just say that?

 

[Otis]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

I currently have the 1.7 and 1.11 picks. Are you saying you would give up BOTH to get Perry? That's overpating a lot don't you think? Is Perry's value that much?

I would consider Perry's value from a pure talent standpoint equal to a guy like Maroney (at least). He has had some durability issues, and you may have to wait for his production, where the rooks may get in the lineup right away, but perry owners will be rewarded for their patience. I would definitely think about 1.7 and 1.11 for perry and maybe a 2nd?

Just my but I'd put Perry above Maroney by a fair amount. Just on talent. Closer to DeAngelo Williams IMO, but maybe not quite.

I can easily see 2 late 1sts for Perry, but you won't get it.

I agree with these guys in a big way. I've been hard onto the Perry bandwagon since last summer. He has huge stud potential. I think the only variable is health.

 

[-OZ-]

Not to twist this, but if you own Perry, how hard should you go after Rudi, if you already have 2 top 20 RBs? (start 2)

Or make it generic, is Rudi a good buy for a Perry owner?

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

Not to twist this, but if you own Perry, how hard should you go after Rudi, if you already have 2 top 20 RBs? (start 2)

Or make it generic, is Rudi a good buy for a Perry owner?

I'm going to say no. You've already got the "sleeper" upstart option. It should be the Rudi-owner pannicking like a nutjob - not you. I'm in the position that you have described, and although I have on occassion thought about making an offer, I think i'd just rather gamble on Perry eventually getting a shot. Worst case scenario? RBBC! That would suck!

 

[aposulli]

Not to twist this, but if you own Perry, how hard should you go after Rudi, if you already have 2 top 20 RBs? (start 2)

Or make it generic, is Rudi a good buy for a Perry owner?

Why buy Rudi now when his value is at its peak? Definitly not if you have two top 20 RBs.

 

[FTRWRTR]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

 

[-OZ-]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

The only difference between Larry Johnson and Chris Perry at the same point in their careers was Priest had gotten injured.

 

[Otis]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

The only difference between Larry Johnson and Chris Perry at the same point in their careers was Priest had gotten injured.

And, from a fantasy perspective, the Bengals are NOT going to approach KC numbers.That said, I do think Perry has all the talent that LJ has (and perhaps more).

 

[-OZ-]

Not to twist this, but if you own Perry, how hard should you go after Rudi, if you already have 2 top 20 RBs? (start 2)

Or make it generic, is Rudi a good buy for a Perry owner?

I'm going to say no. You've already got the "sleeper" upstart option. It should be the Rudi-owner pannicking like a nutjob - not you. I'm in the position that you have described, and although I have on occassion thought about making an offer, I think i'd just rather gamble on Perry eventually getting a shot. Worst case scenario? RBBC! That would suck!

The Rudi owner isn't for some reason. Although he has Benson... :thinking:That's a tough call IMO.

 

[-OZ-]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

The only difference between Larry Johnson and Chris Perry at the same point in their careers was Priest had gotten injured.

And, from a fantasy perspective, the Bengals are NOT going to approach KC numbers.That said, I do think Rudi has all the talent that LJ has (and perhaps more).

Yeah, Rudi has talent, nobody is denying that. Not more than LJ though.You do realize that Cincy outscored KC this year, right?

 

[FTRWRTR]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners.  I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

The only difference between Larry Johnson and Chris Perry at the same point in their careers was Priest had gotten injured.

This is after 2 years as a pro:Larry johnson - 140 carries, 666 yards and 10 TDs

Chris perry - 63 carries, 280 yards and 0 TDs

That's a pretty big difference in my book

 

[aposulli]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

 

[aposulli]

This is after 2 years as a pro:

Larry johnson - 140 carries, 666 yards and 10 TDs

Chris perry - 63 carries, 280 yards and 0 TDs

That's a pretty big difference in my book

I wouldnt want to be the one to compare LJ and Perry, but I will say that Perry has had career 0 starts. At that point, LJ had a few, and had the best run-blocking linemen we may ever see.

 

[Otis]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

The only difference between Larry Johnson and Chris Perry at the same point in their careers was Priest had gotten injured.

And, from a fantasy perspective, the Bengals are NOT going to approach KC numbers.That said, I do think Rudi has all the talent that LJ has (and perhaps more).

Yeah, Rudi has talent, nobody is denying that. Not more than LJ though.You do realize that Cincy outscored KC this year, right?

Crap, that was a total typo on my part. I meant PERRY has all the talent that LJ has. I don't Rudi is in their league.

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb?  Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner? I would be set for life in terms of RB prospects (I wouldn't need to worry for a couple of years). And remember, most people don't give a cluster#### about late 1st rounders. They can be acquired at fairly reasonable rates if you know when to buy (ie, about 6-months ago).

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb?  Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

 

[-OZ-]

He's a must-have... even for non-Rudi Johnson owners. I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner. Elite RB prospects are worth investing in.

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

The only difference between Larry Johnson and Chris Perry at the same point in their careers was Priest had gotten injured.

This is after 2 years as a pro:Larry johnson - 140 carries, 666 yards and 10 TDs

Chris perry - 63 carries, 280 yards and 0 TDs

That's a pretty big difference in my book

Now try reading what I wrote.If that isnt' enough for you, check LJ's stats Before Priest got injured on Nov 7.

Before Priest's injury, LJ had a total of 165 yards, one TD in his 1.5 years in the NFL.

So hey, if you want to argue that there's a HUGE difference between LJ, pre Priest injury and Perry, great.

LJ - 165 yards, one TD - total production

Perry - 641 yards, 2 TDs - total production

EDIT - I forgot to add LJ's 2 receiving yards in 2003.

 

[-OZ-]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

This year, I pretty much agree with that. BUT, if these were 2005 picks, would you really prefer Perry and Turner to Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Shelton, Eric CAR RB

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Brown, Reggie PHI WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

(somewhat Ironically, I own Perry, Turner, Shelton, Brown and Jones in one league)

 

[aussiehockeyfan]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb?  Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

This year, I pretty much agree with that. BUT, if these were 2005 picks, would you really prefer Perry and Turner to Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Shelton, Eric CAR RB

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Brown, Reggie PHI WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

(somewhat Ironically, I own Perry, Turner, Shelton, Brown and Jones in one league)

As of this point of time, I would say yes. Firstly, I think Perry and Turner are heads and shoulders above their peers (RB PROSPECTS - not targeted at OZ, but for those who don't understand that we're talking about prospects). I think these guys are worth a considerable premium that is well above what they have actually produced so far in their careers. Clayton, Miller, Brown and Jones might all turn out to have nice careers, but I think it is worth it for the opportunity to acquire a potential future stud feature runner for a very cheap price. Risky? Sure. Backfire? Might. But imo, the risk is worth the potential gains. TE #1, and three WR #2s = 2 feature backs?

 

[wannabee]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb?  Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

This year, I pretty much agree with that. BUT, if these were 2005 picks, would you really prefer Perry and Turner to Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Shelton, Eric CAR RB

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Brown, Reggie PHI WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

(somewhat Ironically, I own Perry, Turner, Shelton, Brown and Jones in one league)

I would. I prefer Perry and Turner.

 

[Otis]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

This year, I pretty much agree with that. BUT, if these were 2005 picks, would you really prefer Perry and Turner to Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Shelton, Eric CAR RB

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Brown, Reggie PHI WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

(somewhat Ironically, I own Perry, Turner, Shelton, Brown and Jones in one league)

I would. I prefer Perry and Turner.

Absolutely agree, and it's not close.

 

[Couch Potato]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

This year, I pretty much agree with that. BUT, if these were 2005 picks, would you really prefer Perry and Turner to Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Shelton, Eric CAR RB

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Brown, Reggie PHI WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

(somewhat Ironically, I own Perry, Turner, Shelton, Brown and Jones in one league)

I would. I prefer Perry and Turner.

Absolutely agree, and it's not close.

Interesting coincidence. I obtained both Perry and Turner in a dynasty trade just last week. I'm the LT owner. To get them, I gave up Plaxico and Priest.

 

[Buckna]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb?  Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

This year, I pretty much agree with that. BUT, if these were 2005 picks, would you really prefer Perry and Turner to Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Shelton, Eric CAR RB

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Brown, Reggie PHI WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

(somewhat Ironically, I own Perry, Turner, Shelton, Brown and Jones in one league)

As of this point of time, I would say yes. Firstly, I think Perry and Turner are heads and shoulders above their peers (RB PROSPECTS - not targeted at OZ, but for those who don't understand that we're talking about prospects). I think these guys are worth a considerable premium that is well above what they have actually produced so far in their careers. Clayton, Miller, Brown and Jones might all turn out to have nice careers, but I think it is worth it for the opportunity to acquire a potential future stud feature runner for a very cheap price. Risky? Sure. Backfire? Might. But imo, the risk is worth the potential gains. TE #1, and three WR #2s = 2 feature backs?

How so? Everyone and their mother has expected Perry to take Rudi's job since he was drafted in the 1st round a few years ago and have been holding on to him as such. I got Turner in 2 initial dynasty drafts last year for peanuts and after his explosion on TV after LT got injured he's the hot commodity everyone wants.If I'm a current owner, I'm not giving either of these guys up for anything less than some starters that would help me win now. Otherwise, I'm holding these guys until they get their shot in 2-3 years.

 

[-OZ-]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb? Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner?

This year, I pretty much agree with that. BUT, if these were 2005 picks, would you really prefer Perry and Turner to Clayton, Mark BAL WR

Shelton, Eric CAR RB

Miller, Heath PIT TE

Brown, Reggie PHI WR

Jones, Matt JAC WR

(somewhat Ironically, I own Perry, Turner, Shelton, Brown and Jones in one league)

I would. I prefer Perry and Turner.

Absolutely agree, and it's not close.

I guess this depends on the league. I can honestly tell you that in that league, Perry and Turner would not land the 3 #2 WRs, let alone all 5 picks. I'm about as big a fan of Perry as there is, and I'd probably trade him straight for Clayton (maybe not, but it's close). It's a PPR league where you start 0-2 RBs and 3-5 WRs though, so that changes things.Out of my other two leagues, I'd take the package of 5 players over Perry/Turner in one, and the RBs in the other, so it is at least IMO, league specific.

FWIW, I traded Priest to the LJ owner for Turner in one of these this off season.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

FWIW, I traded Priest to the LJ owner for Turner in one of these this off season.

You should be doing 3-5 in the state pen for that deal.

 

[-OZ-]

FWIW, I traded Priest to the LJ owner for Turner in one of these this off season.

You should be doing 3-5 in the state pen for that deal.

Probably. (of course, this is the owner that picked up Larry Johnson after I dropped him years ago)

 

[DropKick]

What exactly about his 279 rushing yards and 0TDs makes him an elite rb?  Even if you factor in his receiving yards he has less than 1,000 yards of total offense and 2TDs and neither his 4.6 ypc or 6.4 ypr averages are particularly impressive.

Sorry to give you #### but, Perry missed a handful of games last year... and... 4.6 ypc.... not particularly impressive??

I would pay as much as multiple 1st rounders (mid to late ones) for either him or Michael Turner.

Wow, please come join my league. I want 5 first rounders for both.

Bloom and I would be most accomodating. The 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11 & 1.12 rookie draft picks for Perry AND Turner? I would be set for life in terms of RB prospects (I wouldn't need to worry for a couple of years). And remember, most people don't give a cluster#### about late 1st rounders. They can be acquired at fairly reasonable rates if you know when to buy (ie, about 6-months ago).

I hope you're right. Going into next season with Perry and Turner as keepers. Dynasty league and I usually do pretty well... so the downside is I never sniff a high draft pick. The only backs I've fielded in ages are the sleeper or backup types that get their shot. Actually, acquired Rudi the same way when he was backing up Dillon.