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[bigreese82]

I know we'll get some answers about depending on scoring and lineup requirements...assume normal scoring for IDP's and start 4LBs,4DBS, and 3 DL

What strategies have you seen and what works for you?

VBD looks like you could start drafting them in round 4 (pick 40 or so)..Is that too early?

(p.s normal roster starting requirements for other positions..1qb,2rb,3wr,1te)

 

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Some good discussion with links to Zealots data here

 

[Ozymandias]

Some good discussion with links to Zealots data here

That is what VBD is all about. You do projections, etc. It all depends on scoring. If a tackle is worth 10 pts and a TD is worth 6 points, you might take a defensive player with the first pick.

The only thing which would affect VBD is whether your league has an emotional bias which makes them delay picking defensive players too early. The you might wait a round. Otherwise, VBD rules.

 

[bigreese82]

Some good discussion with links to Zealots data here

That is what VBD is all about. You do projections, etc. It all depends on scoring. If a tackle is worth 10 pts and a TD is worth 6 points, you might take a defensive player with the first pick.The only thing which would affect VBD is whether your league has an emotional bias which makes them delay picking defensive players too early. The you might wait a round. Otherwise, VBD rules.

I understand VBD...The question is how soon do YOU take IDP players. For example.. There is a scarcity in starting RBS. That are not in a committee. Do you wait till your offensive starters are filled before looking at IDP's? Do you go to LBs after getting your starting RBs and WRS? Have you found that having top IDP players is important or not...First time IDP drafter and trying to draw from experiences

 

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...and so, I provided the ADP for all the Zealots drafts...

 

[bigreese82]

...and so, I provided the ADP for all the Zealots drafts...

I hoping to draw on personal opinions and experiences...didn't really want to follow the herd...was looking for cutting edge thinking on IDPs

 

[Chaos Commish]

This probably belongs in the IDP forum.

In a start 8 IDP redraft (2dl, 2db, 2lb, 2flex) with standard offenses and typical performance scoring, I've had excellent results with a "late IDP theory" until last year. So, I think the old idea of knowing your league is important. For the first few years these guys were letting great players slip through the cracks while drafting minimal defensive rosters of perceived studs (leaving more for me late and in free agency). Last year no such luck. They drafted very strong and loaded their benches leaving me high and dry. So, I'll have to build my D earlier than I like to this year... I think. I still think some big scorers will be around late, and I put a good bit of effort into researching who they may be.

From my experience and observing numerous other drafts, the top IDPs will start falling as early as the 3rd and always by the 5th. I miss out on those guys. Then there's ususally a bit of a run in 6 and 7 cleaning out the top LB tier and possibly nabbing a couple top DBs. I miss out on that too. But, I want to be upper tier somewhere, so I'll often start my D with a top DL or two around rounds 8-12. Sticking with the idea of being upper tier somewhere. I won't let a top tier DB fall too far.

In what looks like a solid group at xperts currently doing a 12 team IDP survivor, here's a D I'm pretty proud of. Round drafted in parentheses.

Jason Taylor (10)

Simeon Rice (14)

Will Witherspoon (11)

Shawn Merriman (12)

Karlos Dansby (19)

Troy Polamalu (8)

Ed Reed (15)

Mike Brown (18)

That D can be debated pro or con (as opinions vary on individual players). I don't have Vilma, Bullucks or Lewis. I don't have an LB in the top 12 of FBG's projections. Oh well. I have two in the top 20 and Merriman, who I am unusually high on. I have two excellent top tier DLs, one excellent DB, and two with excellent potential. Merriman was the 20th LB drafted (round 12). Imo, this is about managing tiers to increase a team's overall value. Witherspoon, Rice, Brown and Dansby all cleaned up the bottom of tiers. There was a drop off, imo, after them. That's value. They're the guys who fell as other rosters started going in different directions. Polamalu and Taylor are at or near the top of tiers but were available after a dozen LBs and a couple DBs were gone. More value, imo.

The benefit of this approach obviously is it allows an owner to solidify his RB and WR depth, or take Gates or Manning (both on this team with LJ, btw). Ask yourself if you'd rather have Gates and Witherspoon or Vilma and Cooley. Something that approximates ADPs anyway.

Because I target upper tier DBs and DLs this isn't "late IDP theory" but "late LB theory." It follows the rationale of late QB theory and with some geeky SoS analysis could follow QBBC too.

 

[Duckboy]

This probably belongs in the IDP forum.

In a start 8 IDP redraft (2dl, 2db, 2lb, 2flex) with standard offenses and typical performance scoring, I've had excellent results with a "late IDP theory" until last year. So, I think the old idea of knowing your league is important. For the first few years these guys were letting great players slip through the cracks while drafting minimal defensive rosters of perceived studs (leaving more for me late and in free agency). Last year no such luck. They drafted very strong and loaded their benches leaving me high and dry. So, I'll have to build my D earlier than I like to this year... I think. I still think some big scorers will be around late, and I put a good bit of effort into researching who they may be.

From my experience and observing numerous other drafts, the top IDPs will start falling as early as the 3rd and always by the 5th. I miss out on those guys. Then there's ususally a bit of a run in 6 and 7 cleaning out the top LB tier and possibly nabbing a couple top DBs. I miss out on that too. But, I want to be upper tier somewhere, so I'll often start my D with a top DL or two around rounds 8-12. Sticking with the idea of being upper tier somewhere. I won't let a top tier DB fall too far.

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The benefit of this approach obviously is it allows an owner to solidify his RB and WR depth, or take Gates or Manning (both on this team with LJ, btw). Ask yourself if you'd rather have Gates and Witherspoon or Vilma and Cooley. Something that approximates ADPs anyway.

Because I target upper tier DBs and DLs this isn't "late IDP theory" but "late LB theory." It follows the rationale of late QB theory and with some geeky SoS analysis could follow QBBC too.

Excellent posting here. In my experience, I would probably be looking to take my first IDPs around the 7th or 8th round (load up on RB/WR/offensive value early). Likely that means that you miss the true top LBs and maybe some of the other top players, but LB has a lot of depth.I participated in SSL5 (IDP survivor draft) this year and went away from this to test what my team would look like by going early IDP (took Bulluck late 4th and Peterson early 5th). I found that really crushed what depth I could find later, especially at WR (will likely be using Bobby Engram as my WR3 most weeks :X ). I would have been much better off waiting and having Mason and Horn in the 4th/5th and grabbing Andra Davis/Will Witherspoon in the 8th/9th.